Surprisal~MSI K8N NEO4-F(NF4 std chips)mod SLi & support s-ata II

[johnnyliu3377]

spec.
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/PDRM0004.JPG

all fixture
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/PDRM0010.JPG

NF4 std chips
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000125.JPG

mod chips
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/mod.jpg

test:
CPU：K8 939 3200+
COOLER：AMD Fan
M/B ：MSI K8N NEO4-F(mod SLi)
MEM ：TCCD 256MBx2
VGA ：MSI NX6600GT SLix2
HDD ：Quantum 30Gb ATA 100 & Hitachi 7K80 s-ata IIx2 raid0
PSU：Zippy 500w
Driver:66.93 whql

http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000133.JPG

Use feature tools (ftool_196.iso), makes the 7K80 HDD parameter changes UP is 3.0GB/s
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000132.JPG

support s-ata II is ok! :slobber:
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/NEO4-F_S2R0_ok.JPG

GPU 500/ MEM 1G
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000127.JPG

SLi test ok!
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000130.JPG

3Dmark03
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/NEO4-F_SLi_3D_12930.JPG

YA! :banana:

[metro.cl]

interesting, sata 2 looks pretty good.

[conrad.maranan]

How much was your HDD?

[saaya]

what hdd, and how do you run sli with just one 16x slot on the board? :confused:

[conrad.maranan]

what hdd, and how do you run sli with just one 16x slot on the board? :confused:
Hitachi 7K80 s-ata IIx2 raid0
^^^ That one. ;)

EDIT: Whoa. I just Googled those drives and they're cheap.

[reject]

the cards are in the 2 yellow slots

[Apocalipsis]

what hdd, and how do you run sli with just one 16x slot on the board? :confused:

As OPB shows some time ago, MSI boards feature one pci-e x16 slot plus one more x2 slot that works ok to run SLI cards.

[johnnyliu3377]

what hdd, and how do you run sli with just one 16x slot on the board? :confused:

Dear saaya:
MSI office web spec.
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4-F&class=mb
Slots
• One PCI Express X16 slot (supports PCI Express Bus specification v1.0a compliant)
• One PCI Express X4 slot (supports PCI Express Bus specification v1.0a compliant) <-----is this ;)

johnnyliu3377

[saaya]

but its not the same as 8/8 right? does it work with the latest drivers? i thought nvidia blocked all other attempts to run sli if its not 8/8 in the latest drivers?

johnny, does it work with the latest drivers as well?
and how big is the difference between 4/8(?) and 8/8? can you check with another sli board at stock speeds? :) thx a lot for the infos so far! :toast:

[metro.cl]

but its not the same as 8/8 right? does it work with the latest drivers? i thought nvidia blocked all other attempts to run sli if its not 8/8 in the latest drivers?

johnny, does it work with the latest drivers as well?
and how big is the difference between 4/8(?) and 8/8? can you check with another sli board at stock speeds? :) thx a lot for the infos so far! :toast:


Sayaa you cant use this mobo to run sli with x850xt :banana: :banana:


the diference in porformance is not that big, i think in anandtech they did several tests to show the diference. (using a dfi ultra@sli)

[sauria]

Wow, those Hitachi 7K80 s-ata IIx2 raid0 gives the burst speed of 383.9 MB/sec!? NCQ on too?

[johnnyliu3377]

Wow, those Hitachi 7K80 s-ata IIx2 raid0 gives the burst speed of 383.9 MB/sec!? NCQ on too?
Yes! ;)

to saaya:
n-Vidia Display Driver version locked SLi model:
71.XX already to let outside X8/X8 cancel SLI after (even if were SLI CHIPSET)
66.75 locked ULTRA CHIPSET afterwards
70.90 locks 16X/2X
:D

johnnyliu3377

[sauria]

That's awesome johnnyliu3377!

[sauria]

2 x 74G Raptors Striped 4K stripe/4K cluster size MSi Neo4 Platinum /SLI

HD Tach 3.0.1.0
NVIDIA Stripe SATA 1&2
Random Access: 8.0 ms
CPU Utilization: 10%
Avg Read: 130 MB/s
Burst: 212 MB/s -- much lower than yours!??

[metro.cl]

where did you get the sli bridge???

[Eversor]

With the mod, can you have sli with all the drivers?

[EnJoY]

2 x 74G Raptors Striped 4K stripe/4K cluster size MSi Neo4 Platinum /SLI

HD Tach 3.0.1.0
NVIDIA Stripe SATA 1&2
Random Access: 8.0 ms
CPU Utilization: 10%
Avg Read: 130 MB/s
Burst: 212 MB/s -- much lower than yours!??


Not native SATAII drives... :rolleyes:

[IvanAndreevich]

You guys seem so excited about burst speeds. Take it easy - it doesn't really translate into any real-world performance ;)

Nice mod, though for future drives!

[sauria]

Yes, I just thought it was a curious result -- maybe shows what SATAII has in store?

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

whats that lil stick in the orange PCI slot?

[IvanAndreevich]

A PCI diagnostic card.

[johnnyliu3377]

With the mod, can you have sli with all the drivers?
ver. 70.90 below all may use it! ;)

where did you get the sli bridge???
sli bridge is K8N Diamond,but MSI & DFI the size all altogether uses, some shop already had alone sell sli bridge. :D

[blinky]

what diagnostic card is in the pci slot?

link where to buy it plz :)

[matt9669]

what diagnostic card is in the pci slot?

link where to buy it plz :)Fugger uses them, you can get them at Fry's Electronics retail in the US.

EDIT: didn't know most of the latest Deskstar's are SATA-II, interesting :idea:

[bachus_anonym]

what diagnostic card is in the pci slot?

link where to buy it plz :)Here you go, blinky ;)

Soyo TechAid PCI Diagnostic Card - $27.95 @ Geeks.com (http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SY-TECHAID&cat=MBB) or $29.99 @ TigerDirect.com (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=634636&Tab=1&NoMapp=0)

[Eversor]

ver. 70.90 below all may use it! ;)


sli bridge is K8N Diamond,but MSI & DFI the size all altogether uses, some shop already had alone sell sli bridge. :D

But like 71.84 doesn´t work?

DFI Ultra-D modded to SLI works with all the drivers, does that one too?

If it does, the sli bridge is like $10, excellente bang for the buck, and gives u chance to use sli when you want to.

[johnnyliu3377]

But like 71.84 doesn´t work?

DFI Ultra-D modded to SLI works with all the drivers, does that one too?

If it does, the sli bridge is like $10, excellente bang for the buck, and gives u chance to use sli when you want to.

DFI Ultra-D modded to SLi success in working 71.84, because its SLi is runs the 8x+8x way,
for example like this:
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/Ultra-D/P1000152.JPG

http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/Ultra-D/UD_3D10215.JPG

But I test the 3Dmark potency actually is inferior to NEO4-F, why doesn't know? ! :confused:

[Eversor]

DFI Ultra-D modded to SLi success in working 71.84, because its SLi is runs the 8x+8x way,
for example like this:
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/Ultra-D/P1000152.JPG

http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/Ultra-D/UD_3D10215.JPG

But I test the 3Dmark potency actually is inferior to NEO4-F, why doesn't know? ! :confused:

You´re not running sli in that bench right?

IF not, it´s because you´re only using 8x, and he´s using 16x.

off topic:

DAMN! I want your winchester!

2700 @stock vcore? sweet...

What week stepping?

[johnnyliu3377]

You´re not running sli in that bench right?

IF not, it´s because you´re only using 8x, and he´s using 16x.

off topic:

DAMN! I want your winchester!

2700 @stock vcore? sweet...

What week stepping?

Dear Eversor:
oh! come on ,It's 3200+ winchester 0444 mpmw! :p:
I have spend many time and the energy only then find... :banana:

As for DFI SLi... A time, I have tried again..... ;)

[Andrewv]

Tnx a lot

[hurtz777]

Johnny,

What did you use to close the bridge for SATA2? I used a mechanical pencil and it didn't work. Did CPU-Z show a different chipset ID after the mod?

[johnnyliu3377]

Johnny,

What did you use to close the bridge for SATA2? I used a mechanical pencil and it didn't work. Did CPU-Z show a different chipset ID after the mod?
hello hurtz777!
chipset ID is A3,close the bridge in chip ....I use solder connect it! :p:

[Tibu]

Ok so just to be sure; this mod works on DFI NF4 Ultra-D as long as I can get the SLI bridge? Has anyone been succesfull by using a pencil instead of solder?

[SolidGoldstein]

Congrats on your Venice, but I can't believe you actualy think a pencil graphite will connect the points. Just get it soldered. I'd do it for a couple bucks, and it looks very easy on these chips. NIce big solder pads.

Does the new revision nF4 chip not work for modding? I would think that it would only work on A2, or A3 (early) revisions, but DFI builds the Ultra-D to be modded (as you can see by the two PCIe 16x slots, but maybe they stocked up on older chips???? I donno.

[Fzero]

ya but if you solder it and the board dies for no reason he cant send it back doing the pencile trick he can just erase it ;)

[SolidGoldstein]

There is no reason why you can't un-bridge them after it's been soldered. also no reason it would die because of this mod alone. If it works, it won't be ruining anything except your warranty. By the way, I am not interested in providing any mod services to anyone here, just using it as an exanple.

[Thorry]

Holy :banana::banana::banana::banana:, I'm going to get myself a MSI K8N Neo4-F, those hdd's are CHEAP! And SLI is just an added bonus.

That's about 120 euro's just for modding 3 resistors :D

[Jamo]

this is great news, i'm gonna put together a rig based on this mobo, johnnyliu do you think conductive paint would work?

[TumZX]

Does it work on another board???

[Barnacle Bill]

Hi johnnyliu3377,

Great post, photos and mod :toast: My question to you or anyone else reading this post is; what kind of Vdimm settings are available in that K8N Neo4-F BIOS; are there any above 3.0v and if not is there a BIOS editor which would enable me to mod the BIOS so that I could get Vdimm 3.0 and above?
Concerning the SLi limitations imposed by Nvidia's latest drivers; can't they be modified with an editor? Thanks in advance!

[airwolves]

Hmm interesting results.. Looking to go 939 soon and Msi looks promising..

[Tony Lucio]

chipset ID is A3,close the bridge in chip ....I use solder connect it! :p:

Hello John...your thread here inspired me to go purchase the Neo4-F and I hope to have a new Venice for it very soon. I do want to ask you a couple of questions about the chipset though...

1) My chip ID is the same as yours, 0501A3. Do you know what the other serial number to the left of the ID on the chip means? I cannot quite make out the one on mine but it appears to be Q_2624.1. Do you have any info on how I can find out what this number means?

2) And another one...have you been able to completely activate Active Armor on the chipset? Not just the firewall but the complete tool. I figure it is integrated onto the chipset, do you know a way to have it activated?

3) Finally, what's your opinion of Core Cell, useful utility or bloatware?

I have more, but this will do for now. God Bless ya Johnny, and thanks for any helphttp://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=0&forumid=58#
Smilie

[i found nemo]

i notice that each one of the points to solder has two wires it seems, do they just solder those together aswell??

[Barr3l Rid3r]

what about tha bug going over 219Mhz HTT, Can someone confirm that?

[exscape]

Umm, I might be blind, stupid or both, but how the heck?
How can that card even fit psysically in the slot?

[ReelMonza]

I guess he cut off the slot...

[charlie]

So 6 months later...

How's the Neo4-F as a BUDGET A64 rig?? What's the verdict?

C

[hawkeyefan]

what about tha bug going over 219Mhz HTT, Can someone confirm that?

will only affect your Winnie if CBBID week 0450 or later

mine is (was) CBBID 0451 and had 219 FSB bug

[sauria]

what about tha bug going over 219Mhz HTT, Can someone confirm that?
I've only seen that as a problem with CBBID CPU

[charlie]

well I bought one for $60 for my 24/7 home internet/gaming rig with an Opteron 144 and an x800xl... should work well.

C

[nn_step]

um you can't do SLI with x4 slots.. atleast not with a good card...

[Z33ky]

spec.
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/PDRM0004.JPG

all fixture
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/PDRM0010.JPG

NF4 std chips
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000125.JPG

mod chips
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/mod.jpg

test:
CPU：K8 939 3200+
COOLER：AMD Fan
M/B ：MSI K8N NEO4-F(mod SLi)
MEM ：TCCD 256MBx2
VGA ：MSI NX6600GT SLix2
HDD ：Quantum 30Gb ATA 100 & Hitachi 7K80 s-ata IIx2 raid0
PSU：Zippy 500w
Driver:66.93 whql

http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000133.JPG

Use feature tools (ftool_196.iso), makes the 7K80 HDD parameter changes UP is 3.0GB/s
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000132.JPG

support s-ata II is ok! :slobber:
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/NEO4-F_S2R0_ok.JPG

GPU 500/ MEM 1G
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000127.JPG

SLi test ok!
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/P1000130.JPG

3Dmark03
http://my.so-net.net.tw/johnnyliu/MS-7125F/NEO4-F_SLi_3D_12930.JPG


YA! :banana:


Where the pictures go johnnyliu3377???

[The Coolest]

Where the pictures go johnnyliu3377???
They probably died, together with the thread, over a year ago...