Actual TwinMOS Modules and ICs

[Bluebeard]

FYI

TwinMOS/M.tec DDR400 (pretested DDR400 2,5-3-3-8 Single-Channel)
AADT // Powerchip 0,13
CADT // Powerchip 0,11
AA4T // Winbond 0,13 CH-5
1A4T // Winbond 0,175 BH-5

Low-Cost Brand of TwinMOS fits mentioned spezifikationen and should be the right one for the low-cost market.


TwinMOS/TwinMOS DDR400 (pretested DDR400 2,5-3-3-8 Dual-Channel)
AADT // Powerchip 0,13
CADT // Powerchip 0,11
AA4T // Winbond 0,13 CH-5
1A4T // Winbond 0,175 BH-5

Standard TwinMOS modules pretested to DDR400 in Dual-Channel and fit mostly to all standard user needs.


TwinMOS/Speed Premium DDR400 (pretested DDR433 2,5-3-3-8 Dual-Channel)
AADT // Powerchip 0,13 (only a few in the beginning)
AA4T // Winbond 0,13 CH-5

Winbond CH-5 combined with Infineon technology. This memory loves to run @ higher voltages (+3,2V) to show their full face...
-> we only guarantee 433 in SPD specifications


TwinMOS/Speed Premium DDR433 (getestet auf DDR450 2,5-3-3-8 Dual-Channel)
1A4T // Winbond 0,175 BH-5

The Legend is Back! - nothing more to be seid over BH-5
-> we only guarantee 450 in SPD specifications



TwinMOS Twister PRO DDR400 CL2-2-2-5
Samsung TCCD

The well known TCCD but unfortunately the supply from Samsung is very limited...


TwinMOS TwiSTER PRO DDR600 CL3-4-4-8 (not in the channels yet)
Samsung TCCD

see above...


Evtl. we will see some TwiSTER PRO BH-5 Edition coming up soon ;)

[ArcTan]

any idea if new BH-5 is better than UTT? ;)

[matt9669]

Congrats, you just made the front page :toast:

Looks great Alonso, thanks for the info.

[Korpse]

so UTT is really called CH5?

[Bluebeard]

UTT = CH-5

for test results and user reports just check the forum...

[Korpse]

i got some twinmos utt already :p jsut didnt know its called ch5

[Bluebeard]

BH-5 can do 2-2-2-5 in low voltage regions also - not everybody has a booster or a dfi or any other mobo on hand which can do +3,2V on the Vdimm... ;)

[$0m#0n#]

so UTT is really called CH5?UTT=CH-5 untested I think

[Yot™]

today got the fedex package contaning 2 512mb twinmos premium aa4t :)
so they are UTT? or should we call them CH-5...

[Bluebeard]

@ $0m#0n#

according to my information there are only CH-5 untested

@ Yotâ„¢

as long as UTT and CH-5 is the same so call them like u want ;)

[Revv23]

cool when can we find the BH-5 in stores?

i know the gamble with the TMSP modules scared me away, it will be nice to have some guranteed chips :)

[Bluebeard]

BH-5 on M.tec DDR400, TwinMOS DDR400 and Speed Premium DDR433 already available in Europe ;)

About most other continents i have no information atm :(

[Shroomalistic]

Any chance you could give us some links to buy it?

[Bluebeard]

sorry... same for me... need to lookup first and don´t have any time...

[Entity_Razer]

I'm getting BH5 from a shop in germany (not gonna reveal my intel untill the ram is senth and recieved, I know how you people have the ability to completly SUCK A SHOP DRY out off supply :p:

lol

I sure do hope they pay off because this will be the 2nd memory switch in 2 months :p I currently have Twinmoss with Mtec chips and BP PCB pc3200(ddr400)

run at 235mhz but sucky timings.

[$0m#0n#]

I c them in a shop in czech republic :) & they r stock :P

[gundamit]

BH-5 on M.tec DDR400, TwinMOS DDR400 and Speed Premium DDR433 already available in Europe ;)
About most other continents i have no information atm :( Can you tell us the price difference between the 400 and 433. We can take your Euros and guestimate what the price will be in US dollars when the 433 finally shows up in the States.

[TEDY]

Alonso

how com i got TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM with 1A4T

while you're saying SPEED PREMIUM only this two ?:

TwinMOS/Speed Premium DDR400 (pretested DDR433 2,5-3-3-8 Dual-Channel)
AADT // Powerchip 0,13 (only a few in the beginning)
AA4T // Winbond 0,13 CH-5

[Bluebeard]

@TEDY

little mistake happened over Chinese New Year in our Factory and some BH-5 also found their way on some DDR400 Speed Premium as well... sry for that...

@gundamit

we are selling the memory to the vendors and they fix the prices so asking me for pricing is absolutely the wrong adress ;)

[TEDY]

Alonso: fine with me...265 at 3.6v ownz :=)

[Revv23]

will these chips be marked as BH-5 or will it be marked like the utt chips?

[Bluebeard]

is this that important? as long as you know it´s BH-5 (1A4T to be on 100% safe side) it shouldn´t be a problem, or?

[$0m#0n#]

It's always a better feeling when u have writen BH-5 on chips :p:

[Revv23]

is this that important? as long as you know it´s BH-5 (1A4T to be on 100% safe side) it shouldn´t be a problem, or?


sorry no, it is not important to me at all, i was just curios if that was something i should be looking for...

[Jasonhk]

Testes My TwinMos Speed Premium BH5 to 267Mh @ 3.7v's Dual Channel Usinf DFI SLI-DR :)

[Owen1978]

Just ordered 2 sticks of these

Clicky (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PRL)

:)

[rookiekiller]

http://www.cheeep.de/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=1887&IDU=20050323182105217.231.28.80

http://www.cheeep.de/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=1690&IDU=20050323182105217.231.28.80

[uwackme]

Well, CH5 or not they FIXED something. No CH5 from the past i ever saw ran anything like these UTT chips.

My 2x 256M sticks of real CH5 cant touch any of the 512M sticks of UTT Ive worked on so far. Im typing on set #6 (#4 of TMII) at 245Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @ 3.38Vdimm, the fastest TMII so far and at the lowest voltage so far.

Now if Twinmos would just make a special version on the Brainpower PCboard with UTT or BH5 chips on it, and Corsair-style heatspredders in copper using AS3 Ceramique.... we'd be all done.

Question is WHAT is the top end on these BH5's? Are they able to meet/beat the UTT's in top FSB or just tie the UTT's at a lower voltage for maximum FSB?

Originally the CH5's were supposed to BEAT the BH5 but something went wrong. Apparently it seems to be fixed :rolleyes:

Looking forward to results.

[M3taC0rT3X]

excuse my dumb question .. but I'm new to all this !

Do these:

TwinMOS/Speed Premium DDR433 (getestet auf DDR450 2,5-3-3-8 Dual-Channel)
1A4T // Winbond 0,175 BH-5

The Legend is Back! - nothing more to be seid over BH-5
-> we only guarantee 450 in SPD specifications

sold here (http://www.cheeep.de/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=1887&IDU=20050324000616213.58.104.16) as a 512MB stick, do dual channel 2x512mb is u buy 2?


:confused: :confused:

[RacerX]

Guys don't know how accurate this pic is but MemoryX.com is selling 256mb sticks labeled 1A4T or BH5.......TwinMos 1A4T (http://www.memoryx.net/256d8d32832tm.html)

I keep checking for 512mb sticks.

[eva2000]

Guys don't know how accurate this pic is but MemoryX.com is selling 256mb sticks labeled 1A4T or BH5.......TwinMos 1A4T (http://www.memoryx.net/256d8d32832tm.html)

I keep checking for 512mb sticks.
i wouldn't buy from memoryx.com if you paid me to.. took me 3+ months to get a refund on twinmos twisters after getting run around from every department - not as bad as my current ordeal in sig though :(

Twinmos PC3500 1A4T looks yummy though

[ArcTan]

i wouldn't buy from memoryx.com if you paid me to.. took me 3+ months to get a refund on twinmos twisters after getting run around from every department - not as bad as my current ordeal in sig though :(

Twinmos PC3500 1A4T looks yummy thoughyeah I'm waiting on twinmos.com.sg to stock it because that's the only place I know of that will ship to Australia

[gundamit]

Just ordered 2 sticks of these
Clicky (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PRL)
:) S'okay, based on the price difference on this site for the 3200 vs the 3500 Twinmos SP you're paying a 7.525% premium for the BH-5. So if NewEgg is charging $69 for the 512mb PC3200 SP, they'll be charging about $74 for the BH-5 when they finally show up. Is that just wishful thinking? :confused:

[GazC]

Just ordered 2 sticks of these

Clicky (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PRL)

:)

You'll have to let us know if the BH-5 and double sided ram in dual channel issue still exists. I'll certainly be ordering some if 2x256 models appear at Komplett. It's nice to see them identifying the ICs on the sticks now, too. :)

[Bluebeard]

Well, CH5 or not they FIXED something. No CH5 from the past i ever saw ran anything like these UTT chips.

My 2x 256M sticks of real CH5 cant touch any of the 512M sticks of UTT Ive worked on so far. Im typing on set #6 (#4 of TMII) at 245Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @ 3.38Vdimm, the fastest TMII so far and at the lowest voltage so far.

Now if Twinmos would just make a special version on the Brainpower PCboard with UTT or BH5 chips on it, and Corsair-style heatspredders in copper using AS3 Ceramique.... we'd be all done.

Question is WHAT is the top end on these BH5's? Are they able to meet/beat the UTT's in top FSB or just tie the UTT's at a lower voltage for maximum FSB?

Originally the CH5's were supposed to BEAT the BH5 but something went wrong. Apparently it seems to be fixed :rolleyes:

Looking forward to results.

The CH-5 or UTT are not the old version as almost everybody should know by now. They (Winbond) uses new Infineon technology for these...

BH-5 still the same.

[setyotomo]

alonso : please check your PM ;)

[J0lle]

Cant wait until i get my hands on these new pc3500 bh-5's, pair them up with a booster and lets see what they will do ;D

[Biggles]

What are the chances of getting either UTT or BH-5 in a TwinMOS 1GB Dual Channel Kit? Are the sticks going to both be of the same type or could I end up with one AADT and one AA4T for instance?

[Rondrian]

hum i think the UTT are better than the bh-5 as they can reach 250@ 3.3v .... I've never seen so many bh-5 touching 250mhz@3.3v most do 245-240....

[SLaY3r07]

Any ETA on the BH-5?

[Mr. Tinker]

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050329PR207.html
But you folks already knew that.

[ArcTan]

damn I finally found some twinmos here but only 256mb sticks are 1A4T and the 512mb sticks are AADT

[eva2000]

damn I finally found some twinmos here but only 256mb sticks are 1A4T and the 512mb sticks are AADT
in OZ ?

[ArcTan]

in OZ ?
yes
au$55 for 256mb sticks
regular sticks
not speed premium

[Tony420]

hum i think the UTT are better than the bh-5 as they can reach 250@ 3.3v .... I've never seen so many bh-5 touching 250mhz@3.3v most do 245-240....


my BH-5 does 250 @ 3.1 if I recall correctly. I know for a fact it does 250 @ 3.3V even easyer

[enzoR]

has anyone gotten there new BH5 already?

[Owen1978]

Unconfirmed shipments to Komplett, where i'm buying it from are for the 4th of April.

Hopefully by then i'll have my new psu and a hdd, and get my new system up and running. Then i can start testing :toast:

[TEDY]

has anyone gotten there new BH5 already?

well me.....

[Ubermann]

My 512 stick can do 250 at 3.3 volt and 255 at 3.45volt.
Its 1A4T, and memtest stable.
Still got a 0-4 errors on 260 that seems to come and go...and come.

[StarvationPlan]

My 512 stick can do 250 at 3.3 volt and 255 at 3.45volt.
Its 1A4T, and memtest stable.
Still got a 0-4 errors on 260 that seems to come and go...and come.
Tried burn in?

[Ubermann]

Burned them 6 nights =)
The stick was not stable at 240 from beginning.
But i continue to burn..should reach 260 memtest stable some time soon i hope.

[StarvationPlan]

Ok. This makes me even more uncertain which UTT/BH-5 to buy :)

[J0lle]

I get mine tomorrow, 2x512 pc3500 speed premium, going to burn them in before i do anything else with them :D

[enzoR]

so what will it be? UTT or BH5?

[setyotomo]

hmmm the Q is, can 1A4T 512x2 BH-5 run 1T @ >250++ 2-2-2-5 ?

@tedy : let see some screenies ;)

[J0lle]

as far as i know they can

a friend of mine bought a kit of these today, and i got mine today (pictures of my sticks here)

He is already doing 240+ 2-2-2-5 @ 3.2 V without burn-in :stick:

Image1 (http://j0lle.xdata.no/ram/bh51.jpg)
Image2 (http://j0lle.xdata.no/ram/bh52.jpg)
Image3 (http://j0lle.xdata.no/ram/bh53.jpg)

[metro.cl]

is there anything like tccd mixed with bh5 (let me explain) high mhz like tccd but with the timings from bh5, this is tecnology from the past, is there anything better??? ddr600 2-2-2-6 would be nice there you'll have a amd64 that would perform great

[Shroomalistic]

or better yet, tccd that scales higher with more voltage.

[NiSMo]

just a quick question... do the single 512mb sticks with Mtech printed on them o/c the same as twinmos bh5 printed ones? or do they o/c the same...?? anyone got results??

[StarvationPlan]

or better yet, tccd that scales higher with more voltage.
Don't forget that we want it doing that 300Mhz+ 2-2-2-x :D.

[setyotomo]

as far as i know they can

a friend of mine bought a kit of these today, and i got mine today (pictures of my sticks here)

He is already doing 240+ 2-2-2-5 @ 3.2 V without burn-in :stick:

Image1 (http://j0lle.xdata.no/ram/bh51.jpg)
Image2 (http://j0lle.xdata.no/ram/bh52.jpg)
Image3 (http://j0lle.xdata.no/ram/bh53.jpg)

hmmm

but my mtec AA4T "CH5" can do 250 2-2-2-5 also with 3.2v (memtest 5# stable for hours) -- also without burn in -- ( i only give 2.8v for booting - for make sure it run at default - and then start giving 3.2v and got fsb 250 )

please tell your friend to test some real action @ 3.6v ~ 4v ,i curious how this "bh5" respond to higher volts

:slobber: cmon let see some screeniessss

[TEDY]

hmmm the Q is, can 1A4T 512x2 BH-5 run 1T @ >250++ 2-2-2-5 ?

@tedy : let see some screenies ;)

what you want to see ? i got my first digital cam....let me know what you want to see :=)

[computersmsa]

Hi,

Centon is ready to make all Winbond that I want on BP 808 :)
But I need to help them.

The new Winbond chip : We can buy it directly to Winbond ?
I think not because I have never seen a chip with Winbond write on it as in the past with BH-5 ...
It's difficult :(


Also I think that BH-5 is 0.13µ and CH-5 is 0.1175µ as in the past ... CH-5 more cool but not better to ocing.

[setyotomo]

what you want to see ? i got my first digital cam....let me know what you want to see :=)

:toast: you bought your first digicam because of twinmos pc3500? :p:

take some picture of the chip ( i wonder about the week for my reference) , and of course... memtest results... :hehe:

i tell you a little secret... you'll have alot of fun of taking picture those baby... its like taking foto of famous female model...

PS: oh ya dont forget to take screenshot of week manuf from cpu-z...

[enzoR]

Hi,

Centon is ready to make all Winbond that I want on BP 808 :)
But I need to help them.

The new Winbond chip : We can buy it directly to Winbond ?
I think not because I have never seen a chip with Winbond write on it as in the past with BH-5 ...
It's difficult :(


Also I think that BH-5 is 0.13µ and CH-5 is 0.1175µ as in the past ... CH-5 more cool but not better to ocing.


yep tell them to order BH die from winbond

[setyotomo]

maybe go to infineon group..

[computersmsa]

Yes :)

Our purchasing dept. is working on getting the Winbond "BH-5" look a like chips.

[God_Lx]

Well here in Portugal it's getting hard to find the famous chips :P so my question is how well can the CADT // Powerchip 0,11 do ?

I can get 2x512 for about 90€/Euros what i think quite a bargain...

[Bluebeard]

hmmm the Q is, can 1A4T 512x2 BH-5 run 1T @ >250++ 2-2-2-5 ?

@tedy : let see some screenies ;)

did this with 2 pairs. 1st needed 3,36 - second 3,46 V on DFI Ultra-D

[Reefa_Madness]

Well here in Portugal it's getting hard to find the famous chips :P so my question is how well can the CADT // Powerchip 0,11 do ?

I can get 2x512 for about 90€/Euros what i think quite a bargain...

These do not overclock very well and should be avoided for any system that will be pushed much beyond default speeds.

Here is a link to a review on the Speed Premiums with the Powerchip ICs.


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium

[Holst]

BH5 avalable in the UK,

£50 for 512mb

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kl.asp?bn=10530

Not bad value eh :D

[Reefa_Madness]

Which leads to a repeat of this question...when and where will the PC3500 (with bh) be available in the USA?

[[timko]]

BH5 avalable in the UK,

£50 for 512mb

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/kl.asp?bn=10530

Not bad value eh :D

You should have ordered it last week when it was only £43.50 inc vat per stick.

I did and I got my two "1A4T" sticks about 30mins ago :)



This is how Komplett's pricing for that item went...

Last week when I ordered = £43.50 inc vat

Day after I ordered = £49.00 inc vat

Yesterday = £46.00 inc vat

Today = £48.00 inc vat


So if you haven't ordered yet then watch that page for a few days and see if it drops again :)

[Vandread]

']You should have ordered it last week when it was only £43.50 inc vat per stick.
I did and I got my two "1A4T" sticks about 30mins ago :)
This is how Komplett's pricing for that item went...
So if you haven't ordered yet then watch that page for a few days and see if it drops again :)
The prices really bounce around...
komplett.se has 100+ in stock...
and UK & NL are waiting for the same shipment...

[[XC] Jaco]

Got mine yesterday (2*512 Speed Premium 3500)

I'm not done with testing , but i noticed the IC's get burning hot when pushing 3,3vdimm or more
240 Mhz 2-2-2-5 @ 3.2v is what I'm running now. (IC's are NOT hot at all )

I need better memory cooling to reach 250Mhz. Memtest 5 runs fine for 10 loops and then starts giving errors. (prolly because of heat )

[Owen1978]

']
Last week when I ordered = £43.50 inc vat



Same here, placed my order on March 23, got them yesterday :toast:

[Biggles]

What are the chances of getting either UTT or BH-5 in a TwinMOS 1GB Dual Channel Kit? Not Speed Premium. Are the sticks going to both be of the same type or could I end up with one AADT and one AA4T for instance?

Anyone know the answer to this?

[charltonfan1]

what could this be? : http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115491

[muzz]

What are the chances of getting either UTT or BH-5 in a TwinMOS 1GB Dual Channel Kit? Not Speed Premium. Are the sticks going to both be of the same type or could I end up with one AADT and one AA4T for instance?

Anyone know the answer to this?

FWIW-

I ordered a 1gb kit of TMll from Newegg about 2 weeks ago, and both sticks were AA4T, on my kit the dates on the chips were the same also...
They are NOT on BP pcb ( KY6663 or something).
I haven't done any clocking with them yet, beating up on my XMS3500 and GSkill LE nowadays.

[[timko]]

what could this be? : http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115491

If you're looking for the CH-5 and BH-5 sticks that link isn't it. These are...

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308281&cks=PLS

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PLC

[EvolutionCrazy]

i've a question for Alonso:

i'm experiencing some weird problems running 512mb aa4t stick on Nforce2 mobos...

this is what's is written on the label of the stik i've now:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dsc00211_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dsc00211.jpg)

i'm running it on an NF7-s rev2... but there's no way to get it working with command per clock 1T

i'm using only that stick, no dual channel, nothing!

with cpc off they run great:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1112986246_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1.gif)

but i loss a lot of performance...

i'm not the only one with that problem... also on dfi lanparty ultra seems that some sticks doesn't works...

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6708

on this mobo i've tested only 1*512 of vdata without any problem and i've run 2*256 twinmos (powerchip) for about 1year a 233mhz 2.5-3-3-3 all the modules with cpc on!

now this stick won't work with command per clock 1t...

the only difference i've noticed is that the spd appear to be programmed in a different way:
it doesn't read the manufacture date :rolleyes:

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) (0000000000000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number M2G9JA8AMK9F081CAD
Manufacturing date Week 00/Year 00

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 3
RAS# Precharge 3
TRAS# 8

could be that the source of the problems? all the others stick i've used where showing correctly the manufacture date :rolleyes:

PS: this stick does 260 2225 a 3.4v on dfi nf4 ultra-d

[[timko]]

EvolutionCrazy,

I'm in a similar situation to yours (NF7-s) but have the PC3500 1A4T... see my post and some of its replies in this thread and page...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49229&page=106&pp=25

...seems the recommendation is to have CPC Off (2T) although I haven't got round to trying it yet since it would mean a flashing of the BIOS (no Abit bios that I know of has a simple CPC toggle setting so a complete flash with specific 1T and 2T versions are required).

[EvolutionCrazy]

thanks for the reply [timko]

uwackme in that post said that he was running 2*512 on nf7 with 1t without any problem...

however i've tried 3different bioses with this stick:

D26 MantaRays XT => memtest freeze on test #5 (all the others OK)
D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19_28.12.04 (CPC ON) => memtest ok... but when i try to load windows i get blue screen :/
D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19C_27.12.04 (CPC OFF) => memtest ok, windows ok...

run prime95 for 8hours at 230*8.5 2225 a 2.9v vdimm without any error...

however i've some friends that run 2*512 ch5 (the olds ch5... the ones produced in 2003) without any problem...

i think the problem is between

spd <-> bioses

i need to know how uwackme's sticks where spd programmed... with/without the manufacture date...

Timko, I've tested 5G's of BH5 and 1G BH6 and none of it will run for shieeet in MY NF7-S....with Vdimm Vtt Vdd mod's!!! Stock NF7 is even worse. But the UTT does 245Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 on the SAME board.

I have to burn the CPCoff bios back into the board when I want to switch back to CH5/BH5 sticks. Using D26 MantaXT cpcon and cpcoff versions.

For you....

First, it NEEDS the CPCoff bios. For some reason BH5 almost never ever runs 1T on the NForce2 chipset. Second its gonna need voltage. CPCoff it will do 200Mhz+ 11,2,2,2.0 2T @ 2.9Vbios. But to shine on NForce2 its gonna need TheVolt and it will never shine 1T on NForce2.

On an A64 board the results will be much better, 1T, lower Vdimm, etc.

These UTT/VX/SP sticks are a different breed and shine 1T high FSB.... but again NOT on a stock board, you gotta get to 3.2+Vdimm to make them work on a NForce2.

So confirm 200Mhz 5,2,2,2.0 with CPCoff 2.9V first, if it still screws up consider RMA.

[Vandread]

Yesterday i got 2x SP3500 512's from komplett.nl (not a dual pack, cant find it in holland)
Dual channel started like disaster so i'm only talking about single channel

2.5-3-3-8 217fsb @ 2,9v memtest 5 errors...
2-2-2-5 200fsb t/m 3,3v memtest 5 errors...
2.5-4-4-8 217fsb @ 2,9v works.... but this aint within specs.
This was all @ 1t on a hellfire rev3 (i think) bios.

Just started reading about the cpc off (2t) mode... so the mem could work properly but this just aint right :( i want 1t ;)

My KHX3000/512 and corsair 256 pc3500 (all bh5) all work fine on my board with the same settings.
My hopes where so high... and now this :dammit:

Will keep on testing when i have time and hopefully i can test them @ a friends A64 system. First i need some fresh air... :cool:

Ps: is this the right thread to post in? :stick:

[EvolutionCrazy]

in my case with the D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19_28.12.04 (1T bios) i can run memtest a 230 2225...

but i can't load windows...

so i hope some bios modder like tic tac or merlin read these post and help us having twinmos working with 1T at least at their default specs :D

@Vandread does your sticks come with manufacture date or not?
i don't think this is a normal behaviur:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113038849_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113038849.gif)

[tictac]

in my case with the D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19_28.12.04 (1T bios) i can run memtest a 230 2225...

but i can't load windows...

so i hope some bios modder like tic tac or merlin read these post and help us having twinmos working with 1T at least at their default specs :D

@Vandread does your sticks come with manufacture date or not?
i don't think this is a normal behaviur:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113038849_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113038849.gif)

The modules is rated to run at 200MHz 2.5-3-3-8 1T

but.. You are pushing at at 2-2-2-5 1T timing at 3.01V Vdimm

You need more Voltage to do so... ;)

[uwackme]

Like I said.... TheVolt.

I have my NF7-S mod'd to 3.25Vdimm (using 3.5V [3.3Vrail] to power circuit) and Vtt mod to give 1.625Vtt. Also Vdd is mod'd to the "HAPPY PLACE" for NForce2 which is 1.8-1.85Vdd and this will impact your results.

I use Tic'ys D26MantaXT cpc and non-cpc to "switch" 1T 2T modes. Easy flash with Flashmenu 1.20 so no clearcmos is required, makes it a snap.

BH5 simply dont do 1T in NForce2 (with RARE exceptions), regardless of Vdimm...If been as high as 3.6Vdimm and no go on 1T. The Twinmos AA4T stuff does do 1T no problem....provided it gets TheVolt.

My Infinity has Vdimm mod'd to 3.5Vdimm (and Vtt tracks) and the circuit runs off 5V rail. but I have 3.3Vrail still set to 3.5V because part of the NB chip uses 3.3Vrail as a supply point, as well as Vdd. On Infinity my Vdd is 1.9V as well....its "happy place".

You determine the "happy place" by indepth testing with memtest to find the true PEAK in FSB result stable. IE: once you are at max FSB, diddle Vdd and see what voltage lets you get even further. NF7's seem to like 1.8-1.85V while Infinity likes 1.9V.

But trying to use this stuff on a STOCK NF7-S with no Vmod's is just gonna frustrate the hell out of you. Try the simplest... Vdimm=3.3Vrail mod and see what happens.

Helps to have a PSU with 3.3V rail adjustment.... Fortron530 or OCZ Powerstream.

I have 5V rail at 5.5V too, as the X800XTPE really likes having higher 5V rail. And my 12V rail is 12.50V so at max load it dips no lower than 12.16V.

Its a complicated system, and if you dont get it all right, it aint gonna play well.

I've been through 6 TMII sets, and 2 SP sets all the AA4T stuff. 4 TMII's did 240-245Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @ 3.4V 1set did 245Mhz 2T and one set was bad. Of the 4 sticks of SP, 3 do 250Mhz 1T and the 4th was bad and is in RMA.

Of all the BH5/BH6 Ive had, none did 1T in NForce2 at high FSB, none.

[charltonfan1]

']If you're looking for the CH-5 and BH-5 sticks that link isn't it. These are...

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308281&cks=PLS

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PLC

Yeh it mentions Winbond and the BH-5 is not in stock so i thought this might also be bh-5?

[[XC] Jaco]

there's no BH-5 or CH-5 anymore , it's all UTT.
They call the better UTT 'BH-5' but that's just marketing. You should read that as 'BH-5 alike UTT'

Here my results so far Twinmos Speed Premium 3500 2*512MB 3,3v
(I'm not finished yet :D ) :

http://users.pandora.be/taye/pics/251x10%202-2-2-5%203,3v.jpg

[EvolutionCrazy]

The modules is rated to run at 200MHz 2.5-3-3-8 1T

but.. You are pushing at at 2-2-2-5 1T timing at 3.01V Vdimm

You need more Voltage to do so... ;)

i know... that shoot is refered to 2225 2t 3v works..

but my problem is that i'm not able to get this stick running at its rated speed!

2.5-3-3-8 (timings by spd) @ 2.6v (minimun for my mobo) @ 200mhz
(multi 10x with a barton mobile + L12mod)

memtest #5 freeze (leterally crashes using mantarays xt, using merlin mod i get just tons of errors)... if i try to load windows i get BSOD...

ram@166mhz 2.5-3-3-8 1t pass memtest but random bsod.... 133@2.5-3-3-8 works like a charm... but 133 isn't like 200mhz!!!

they are rated to 200... :(

everything in spec!!! nothing out of spec :rolleyes:

i don't know if my mobo really need 1.9v of vdd and 3.4v of vdimm to get this stick working at 200 2.5-3-3-8 1t like they are rated... but similar high voltages to run in spec aren't expected :rolleyes:

But trying to use this stuff on a STOCK NF7-S with no Vmod's is just gonna frustrate the hell out of you. Try the simplest... Vdimm=3.3Vrail mod and see what happens.

[cut]

Of all the BH5/BH6 Ive had, none did 1T in NForce2 at high FSB, none.

Also trying to get them running at their rated speed?
200 2.5-3-3-8 1t? :stick:

i just want to see this stick passing memtest #5 with an official abit bios (cpc on) at stock speed (200 2.5-3-3-8) at stock voltage (2.6v)...
I can't believe it's impossibile :rolleyes:

I'll try them with the ddr booster asap i'll "recompose" it (pot breaked...)...

@uwackme: does the sticks that you have tested on the nf7 correctly show the manufacturing date win cpu-z or they have a different spd chip and don't show anything like mine?

[EvolutionCrazy]

i've tried to flash the D27 taipan 0.3 1T over 2T version without clearing the cmos...

this is the result:
there's no more optimal/agressive/turbo presets.. only expert setting... :confused:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dscf0420_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dscf0420.jpg)

but now:
220 2-3-2-8 1T @3v memtest #5 ok and windows load :slobber:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dscf0417_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dscf0417.jpg)


yesterday i've tried that bios but i remeber that i wasn't able to load windows (@200mhz 2.5-3-3-8)... and i remember that i've all the optimal/spd/agressive... settings selectable!!!

now i'm writing here at 220 2328 1T!!! woowoow :)

i've just flashed this bios:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/bios/Merlin/Moded%20D27/D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19_28.12.04.rar

over this one:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/bios/Merlin/Moded%20D27/D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19C_27.12.04.rar

using flashmenu without clearing the cmos...

what's happening? :D

[[timko]]

now i'm writing here at 220 2328 1T!!! woowoow :)

i've just flashed this bios:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/bios/Merlin/Moded%20D27/D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19C_27.12.04.rar

over this one:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/bios/Merlin/Moded%20D27/D27_TaiPan_0.3_ED_Bpl_3.19_28.12.04.rar


I'm confused.

The first link ending in 27.12.04.rar has a file named "Nvidia Bpl 3.19 Cpc Off.bpl"

The second link ending in 28.12.04.rar has a file named "Nvidia Bpl 3.19 Cpc On.bpl"


If you have indeed flashed the first one over the second one then you are actually on 2T at the moment surely?

(CPC On = 1t and CPC Off = 2t)

[EvolutionCrazy]

']I'm confused.

The first link ending in 27.12.04.rar has a file named "Nvidia Bpl 3.19 Cpc Off.bpl"

The second link ending in 28.12.04.rar has a file named "Nvidia Bpl 3.19 Cpc On.bpl"


If you have indeed flashed the first one over the second one then you are actually on 2T at the moment surely?

(CPC On = 1t and CPC Off = 2t)

sorry, i've inverted the 2 links :(

this is what i've done:

tried the ram with the d26 mantarays xt => memtest #5 freeze at any speed above 166mhz...

flashed (clearing the cmos) D27 taipan 0.3 cpc on => tons of errors in memtest #5, windows wont load at any speed...

flashed (clearing the cmos) D27 taipan 0.3 cpc off and let the system burning for a night... (torture test prime95 -> large fft -> 8hours @ 230 2225 1T @3v)

flashed (clearing the cmos) D27 taipan 0.3 cpc on to see if the night has changed something: nothing... lots of errors in memtest, windows wont load at any speed/timing

then today i've opened flashmenu, deselected the clear cmos then flashed D27 taipan 0.3 cpc on...

went to bios... and see that only expert settings where usable... putted the ram 220 2228 and tried memtest => badwidth higher then before (+50mb/s) so i think it's really cpc on :)

then i've tried also to flash the lastest D27 cpc on by tic tac (without clearing the cmos)... and also in that case everything works fine...

don't know how a similar thing is possible... but now it seems to works :D
i hope i can get the booster repaired soon... so i can see if the mobo can take this rams :D ;)

[bmaffin13]

when can we buy this stuff on this side of the lake? Preferably a dealer in canada for all us canucks up north?

[mike047]

HI,Evolutioncrazy;

The ram you pictured, is it the one listed in the block of specs?

The one in the picture is AADT, but unless I am mistaken[probably so] the specs;

M2G9JA8AMK9F081CAD

indicate a CADT ram, yours should appear as a AA4 on the last letters.

Also, what are the numbers etc on the chips? I have CADT that are 50I

If I am incorrect, could someone explain, I am very willing to learn.

mike

[EvolutionCrazy]

HI,Evolutioncrazy;

The ram you pictured, is it the one listed in the block of specs?

The one in the picture is AADT, but unless I am mistaken[probably so] the specs;

M2G9JA8AMK9F081CAD

indicate a CADT ram, yours should appear as a AA4 on the last letters.

Also, what are the numbers etc on the chips? I have CADT that are 50I

If I am incorrect, could someone explain, I am very willing to learn.

mike

i've also noticed that thing... but dunno... (the label show AA4T ;) )

yes... this photo:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dsc00211_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dsc00211.jpg)

and this shoot:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113038849_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113038849.gif)

are related to the same stick...

that's another thing that make me suspicious about "bad spd programming"...

i'll take out the stick and post a full quality scan in the next hour ;)

take a look at this pic:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113147191_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1.png)

i've never seen CADT doing 230 2228 ;)

[mike047]

HI, I just got the CADT chips yesterday and have not used them yet.
I was told on another forum that they were not good chips[50I]. I am going to vmod an Albatron KX18 PRO board this afternoon and then I'll see what they do.

There is a timing difference in the two CPU-Z shots???

[EvolutionCrazy]

There is a timing difference in the two CPU-Z shots???

:confused:

200mhz 2.5-3-3-8 by spd...

however mine are 50D

this is the chip (date MUST end with 4!):
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/chip.png

front:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/front_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/front.png)

back:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/back_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/back.png)

i cannot explaint the wrong spd detection under windows (wrong type (CAD instead of AA4) and no manufacturing date...)

does the problem is the spd?
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_2_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_2.png)

i hope someone from twinmos can tell us ;)

[mike047]

HI,
I have 3 sets;
TMSP400;AA4T 44D TWINMOS chip
TMII400;CADT, 50I TWINMOS chip
These two have the same spd chip as yours.

The other set is;
TM333; AADT, 60D MTEC chip
This one has the spd chip[it is also smaller] in the lower right, below where yours is.
These are only 333 but they both will do in excess of 220 with no additional voltage.

I have another TM333 set[1DDT] that run 200, I think they are 60B MTEC. They run 24/7 in a folder.

[Adamantine]

there's no BH-5 or CH-5 anymore , it's all UTT.
They call the better UTT 'BH-5' but that's just marketing. You should read that as 'BH-5 alike UTT'
Did you like not read the first post?

Using the labels on the new BH-5 and CH-5 is mostly refering to the manufacturing process, so it's more than just marketing as the different size processes clearly have different characteristics. 0.175u vs 0.13u, which is different than just speed binning from the same size process.

[largon]

@Adamantine: Adding the "-5" after "BH" is purely 126% marketing. TwinMos rides here with the name of a legend.
Yes. The difference is marginal - but it exists.

[[XC] Jaco]

ok , so there's BH5 UTT and CH5 UTT ?
But technically there both UTT , right ?
Confusing stuff :p:

Point is i'm very happy with my Twinmos SP 3500 (BH5 like)
I'm still burnin' in .
So far I'm upto 251MHz @3,3v 2-2-2-5-7-16

Twinmos ROCKS :toast:

[Shroomalistic]

before winbond used to test there moduals and thats how bh-"5", bh-"6" moduals came about. Now there not testing them so we could be getting bh-5, bh-6, or even bh-7 who knows. that why they are labeled bh- UnTesTed. Same goes with the CH moduals.

[Bluebeard]

i've a question for Alonso:

i'm experiencing some weird problems running 512mb aa4t stick on Nforce2 mobos...

this is what's is written on the label of the stik i've now:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dsc00211_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/dsc00211.jpg)

i'm running it on an NF7-s rev2... but there's no way to get it working with command per clock 1T

i'm using only that stick, no dual channel, nothing!

with cpc off they run great:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1112986246_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1.gif)

but i loss a lot of performance...

i'm not the only one with that problem... also on dfi lanparty ultra seems that some sticks doesn't works...

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6708

on this mobo i've tested only 1*512 of vdata without any problem and i've run 2*256 twinmos (powerchip) for about 1year a 233mhz 2.5-3-3-3 all the modules with cpc on!

now this stick won't work with command per clock 1t...

the only difference i've noticed is that the spd appear to be programmed in a different way:
it doesn't read the manufacture date :rolleyes:

DIMM #1

General
Memory type DDR-SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) (0000000000000000)
Size 512 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC3200 (200 MHz)
Part number M2G9JA8AMK9F081CAD
Manufacturing date Week 00/Year 00

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 200
CAS# 2.5
RAS# to CAS# delay 3
RAS# Precharge 3
TRAS# 8

could be that the source of the problems? all the others stick i've used where showing correctly the manufacture date :rolleyes:

PS: this stick does 260 2225 a 3.4v on dfi nf4 ultra-d


As you know you´re running TwinMOS/M.tec modules based on Winbond BH UTT IC (1A4T). Here we don´t do any more testing except DDR400 CL2,5-3-3-8. Even Dual-Channel Performance is not tested. Some can do better - others don´t.

As i can also see from your others module info (it says: M2G9JA8AMK9F081CAD) this is CADT chip which means Powerchip IC.

It´s all so simple and written down long, long time ago ;)

[setyotomo]

i think thats not 1A4T ? its 1AA4T -- still AA4T right?

[Bluebeard]

sorry - my mistake...

thx ;)

[Mr. Tinker]

I've read all through this and the Xtreme Twinmos Memory thread.

So is this the stuff to buy in the US?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

I'm sorry about the obvious question. I wonder if I should sell my Kingston TCCD and buy this plus a booster to run on an IS7-e with an E0 3.2E P4. I wanna get at least up to 250FSB at 2.0-2-2-5. Any advice on these sticks? Where is the best bet for a purchase in the US? Someone please sum up.

[EvolutionCrazy]

As i can also see from your others module info (it says: M2G9JA8AMK9F081CAD) this is CADT chip which means Powerchip IC.

It´s all so simple and written down long, long time ago ;)

only spd report CADT!!!

on the white label is written AA4T

and on the chips has 2 dimples and 05094...

is that possible :/?

that stick (recognised by cpu-z as CAD) does 260 2225 @3.4v on a dfi nf4... can powerchip chips works a that speeds?

my original problem was that those ram won't work in single channel at default timings 2.5-3-3-8 1T on an nf2 mobo...

that started working after this procedure:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=806037&postcount=91

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=806468&postcount=93

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=807578&postcount=96

this is the stick:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113147191_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1.png)

CADT (cpu-z shoot) but AA4T on the white label... @ 230 2328 @ 3v :stick:

[Shroomalistic]

I've read all through this and the Xtreme Twinmos Memory thread.

So is this the stuff to buy in the US?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

I'm sorry about the obvious question. I wonder if I should sell my Kingston TCCD and buy this plus a booster to run on an IS7-e with an E0 3.2E P4. I wanna get at least up to 250FSB at 2.0-2-2-5. Any advice on these sticks? Where is the best bet for a purchase in the US? Someone please sum up.


dont get those, get the twinmos 3200 speed premiums from newegg. its like $3 more and they are practically guarenteed to be utt. the non-sp (ones in your link) are only about a 50% chance.

[Mr. Tinker]

^^^Very good advice. I hope others who are confused read this ^^^

[Tibu]

I bought two 3200 SP off newegg. Got em today; both are AA4T week 05064. PCB is KO6633. Weird thing is that only one of the two sides has the two metal dots on both dimms. However, one of the dimms has a tiny small chip on the top right of the dimm where the other metal dot should be. The other stick doesn't have this small chip. Weird. Are they both UTT? Why would one of the sticks have this small 8 lead chip and the other one not have it?

[sobol]

Lo
Ive just got pair of my TwinMos SP 3200. Both got P/N ...AA4T. Ive bought them in Poland theyre priced 150 $ for gig wich is relly cheep here, comparing to other products on market. Ive called to central storage of TwinMos distributor and theyve checked for me several sticks all are AA4T. Good thing about mine is that it does 240 2-2-2 at 3.2 and 255 2-2-2 at 3.45v without burn-in.

Chips are 44D , production date is 040484 and i see KO 6633 on PCB, im wondering what PCB it is.... ?

[The Stilt]

Receiving my 50 kits of DDR433 B die UTT at monday :D

[setyotomo]

:lol: pls update us with this info when you received those kit:

all confirmed 1A4T ? what week?

arrgh i think that one reason why my distributor didnt have any ddr 433 :p:

[Bluebeard]

only spd report CADT!!!

on the white label is written AA4T

and on the chips has 2 dimples and 05094...

is that possible :/?

that stick (recognised by cpu-z as CAD) does 260 2225 @3.4v on a dfi nf4... can powerchip chips works a that speeds?

my original problem was that those ram won't work in single channel at default timings 2.5-3-3-8 1T on an nf2 mobo...

that started working after this procedure:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=806037&postcount=91

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=806468&postcount=93

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=807578&postcount=96

this is the stick:
http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1_1113147191_thumb.jpg (http://www.hwtweakers.net/files/forum/0504/untitled_1.png)

CADT (cpu-z shoot) but AA4T on the white label... @ 230 2328 @ 3v :stick:


looks like the wrong SPD module information on the Stick... :rolleyes:

[tictac]

:lol: pls update us with this info when you received those kit:

all confirmed 1A4T ? what week?

arrgh i think that one reason why my distributor didnt have any ddr 433 :p:

no stock coming to Indonesia? :(

[Bluebeard]

send mail to TW headquarter and ask...

[Silvestre]

i've got my 1A4T. goes 255MHz 1.5-2-2-5 so easy...
bought here: www.cheeep.de
hehehe...the europeans are having fun this time...and not the US people. hahahhaa :D
tell Newegg to get some of these :D

[[XC] 4X4N]

I bought two 3200 SP off newegg. Got em today; both are AA4T week 05064. PCB is KO6633. Weird thing is that only one of the two sides has the two metal dots on both dimms. However, one of the dimms has a tiny small chip on the top right of the dimm where the other metal dot should be. The other stick doesn't have this small chip. Weird. Are they both UTT? Why would one of the sticks have this small 8 lead chip and the other one not have it?

I have the 3200 SP also, week 4 and 6 of 05. One stick has the small chip that you are talking about on the top, the other on the bottom. Don't know why that is, but it doesn't seem to matter. They do 260, 2-2-2-6.

[eraser]

I have a Question about my Twinmos Twister Pro Kit.
What PCB is it? The Number on PCB is BU-6633.

[Simplex]

How do I know I REALLY hold a BH-5 1AA4T when I
buy it in the store?
What should the chip modules say?

Obviously it´s not certain the SP3200 (not SP3500)
says it´s 1A4T on the sticker. :confused:

Any of you with a SP3200 (not SP3500) BH-5??

[cardnut99668]

I thought there was a week or two of SP3200 that was released w/ BH-5 (1A4T).

[HousERaT]

How do I know I REALLY hold a BH-5 1AA4T when I
buy it in the store?
What should the chip modules say?

Obviously it´s not certain the SP3200 (not SP3500)
says it´s 1A4T on the sticker. :confused:

Any of you with a SP3200 (not SP3500) BH-5??

1A4T = BH die
AA4T = CH die

both are UTT.......

I'm dying for newegg to get some of the 1A4T stuff, in fact anyone in the states selling this stuff is likely to get my business...... :confused:

[onoz]

no stock coming to Indonesia? :(

actually i just got some normal twinmos pc3200s which is 1A4T.
getting 10 sticks of 512mb :D
not much stock though.

[neon26]

They are 1A4t part number and get this...they are actually labeled BH-5 on the die! Is this a new labeling of the chips? I could've sworn in an earlier post someone who works for twinmos said to base chip-type on the part number(ie 1A4t) and that the chips didn't actually say BH-5 on them. Here is the full writing on one of the chips. I can post a pic if someone wants.

TwinMos
05094 BH-5
TMD7608F8E44B

Does anyone know if that info includes the manufacture date? I would guess maybe year=05 day=09 month=4?

PS. these were from Newegg ordered 5/1/05

[mike047]

Hi NEON,
I think it is ;
5 year
09 week
4 means Winbond.

mike

[WinXP]

They are 1A4t part number and get this...they are actually labeled BH-5 on the die! Is this a new labeling of the chips? I could've sworn in an earlier post someone who works for twinmos said to base chip-type on the part number(ie 1A4t) and that the chips didn't actually say BH-5 on them. Here is the full writing on one of the chips. I can post a pic if someone wants.

TwinMos
05094 BH-5
TMD7608F8E44B

Does anyone know if that info includes the manufacture date? I would guess maybe year=05 day=09 month=4?

PS. these were from Newegg ordered 5/1/05

Recieved 2-512 stick just like yours today from newegg with the same info on chips. 1A4T

[vapb400]

im debating these or the value vx, these are now $5 more expensive, what do you guys think? I would be getting them from newegg and maybe (seeing the last few posts) i might end up with some BH-5.

[neon26]

Thanks for the explanation mike. So far I can run 10*245 at 2 2 2 5 memtest stable at about 3.2. One of my sticks can boot into windows and run sandra at 10*260 at 3.5v. The other stick doesn't seem to like more than 3.3v but hits around 10*255. I am hoping after burn in I can get dual channel memtest stable at 10*250-255.

[onoz]

the most important thing is, is it better clocking than the cheaper version "plain twinmos mtec 50B 1a4t" ?
mine seems to be able get 250mhz 2-2-2-x 3.2v with 50% chance (out of 10 sticks). max out at 26x (3.4v) or 27x (3.6v), due to some of it don't like high voltage (>3.4v).
what about tmsp? is it better?

[eraser]

http://img212.echo.cx/img212/1685/8x300prime7cj.th.jpg (http://img212.echo.cx/my.php?image=8x300prime7cj.jpg)

I still have Problems with SuperPi 32m.Memtest passed many hours without Errors,Prime and 3d is no Problem @8x300mhz.

http://img212.echo.cx/img212/6043/2610stable8cr.th.jpg (http://img212.echo.cx/my.php?image=2610stable8cr.jpg)

9x290mhz passed SuperPi 32m but Prime fails after Seconds.Cpu is 0437 CBBFD.Max ~2.6ghz@1.7V :rolleyes:
Mainboard DFI Ultra-D,2x512mb TwinmosTwisterPro DualChannel-Kit.

[slunge]

i recieved last night from www.komplett.co.uk

2x512 twinmos speed premium 3500 with these markings:

05154 BH5 TMD7608F8E44B

was hoping for good results, but at the moment im stuggling, it could be down to the new mobile barton 2500 i have just put in to replace my crazy clocking xp1700, but my old twinmos 3200(2 Yrs old - 3125E W942508BH5) was running fine with that 1700 @ 2,2,2,5 200 for about 2 yrs, im barley able to get this stable at 200 whatever the voltage im throwing at it :(

[Theo404]

Just ordered 2x512 twinmos speed premium 3200 BH-5 from komplett, £41 a stick aint bad.

Its because your using an NF2 board, I'm willing to bet on it. Nf2 never liked 512 sticks of BH-5.

[slunge]

Well this is how it stands now... through checking with my old ram, my new mobile barton isnt the problem, its the ram for sure...

at spd timings 217*5 2.5-3-3-8 in memtest dual channel is spewing out 20000+ errors, if i take it back and test one stick at a time they pass fine :(

ive also now Vdimm modded my board so have 3.25V for the ram available if i need it, its on a switch so tis optional..

Kinda stuck on where i can go with this now i seem to have tested about everything i can and cant find any way of settling it down.

Your right theres every possibility that its because i got a nf2 board, but still even 200 2,2,2,11 isnt too much to ask from this ram :(

anyone got any suggestions as to what i can try now, im kind of stumped?

[AMDnewbie]

Well this is how it stands now... through checking with my old ram, my new mobile barton isnt the problem, its the ram for sure...

at spd timings 217*5 2.5-3-3-8 in memtest dual channel is spewing out 20000+ errors, if i take it back and test one stick at a time they pass fine :(

ive also now Vdimm modded my board so have 3.25V for the ram available if i need it, its on a switch so tis optional..

Kinda stuck on where i can go with this now i seem to have tested about everything i can and cant find any way of settling it down.

Your right theres every possibility that its because i got a nf2 board, but still even 200 2,2,2,11 isnt too much to ask from this ram :(

anyone got any suggestions as to what i can try now, im kind of stumped?

I rma mine with similar symtoms...can only run cl2.5-3-3-8 on 200 only but not anything up. Works fine though on single channel on cl2-2-2-5.

Seems like not match pairs to me.

[slunge]

did you rma with the intention of getting another 2x sticks back again? - sounds very much like the symptoms im getting.

im debating rmaing them after some more testing, only problem i can see is that if they test the sticks individually they seem to pass so ive got a funny feeling they might just reject my rma, im also debating using both sticks in my board but only in single channel mode.. that and also to try each individual stick in the alternative slot -

so far ive tried them individually in slot 1 - nearest the psu, i may do the same in slot 3 so that the other half of th memory controller can take a run at them.. grr searching for inspiration :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

Subscribed.

Will be testing 9gigs of PC3500 SP BH-UTT within the week... I'll start a thread about my results

[[timko]]

After having a hell of a time with the 1A4T TwinMOS SP PC3500 "BH-5" from Komplett UK with my old NF7-s I managed to successfully RMA them and get a full refund - including delivery charges surprisingly.

I've not doubt they would have worked much better on my current DFI NF4 but I only got my A64 rig after I RMA'd the sticks.

[slunge]

doh! sounds like lots of peeps are having probs with this memory and nf2's, all this after i spent the weekend voltmodding mine as well! :)

seems a shame to send it back but still..

:edit: coinsidently mine was from komplett.co.uk as well.

[slunge]

after testing the sticks individally in slot1 (nearest psu - not sure if thats 1 or not), and both sticks passed... decided to test them in slot 3 (cd drive end) and one of my slots passed and the other failed...

so it looks like at least one stick is going back if not both, im debating keeping one now i have voltmodded my board but im not convinced if i get another stick this memory is overly happy with my board...

peeps with nf2 board and utt ram experience, u think if i get another error free stick it will run any better??

[uwackme]

I keep trying to get this through to people....

UTT/VX is the new CH5 chips, but the BH5 (even the new production) is still the same old BH5. It will act the SAME as the old BH5 did on NForce2 boards.

Try a CPC-OFF bios and see what the results are.

The UTT/VX/newCH5 chips are a totally NEW animal and have incredible results on NForce2 boards (and A64's) but anything with BH5 new or old will act like it always did, they did NOT make any changes to the design.

The UTT/VX/newCH5 chips are a NEW design, combining technology from Winbond with technology from Infineon to make a seriously awesome NEW ram.

Nothing will make BH5 new or old work any better on NForce2.... aside form redesigning NForce2!!!

Ill have the A64 running tommorrow... and Ill take my Kingston BH5 (hyperx3000) and beat the :banana::banana::banana::banana: out of it. But the BH5 only does 240Mhz CPC OFF rock solid on my NForce2, while my UTT/VX/newCH5 does 250Mhz CPC ON. If as I suspect the BH5 comes alive on the A64, then that'll prve once and for all that NForce2 memory controller and BH5 just dont get along well, and that will be that with that.


GRRR.... DFI SLI-DR, 2xRaptor36G, X850XTPE are all sitting here awaiting the 3700+SD's that FedX still hasnt delivered....GRRRR

[Theo404]

Slunge, are you outside of the 10 day cool off period? Because if you arnt komplett will take them back even if they are not faulty. Plus, they now have speed premium 3200 CH-5 in stock at £48 a stick.

[slunge]

first thing, i am using a cpc off bios, its a default abit one, but cpc is off for sure.. ta anyhow

i may rma this and try to see if i can grab some of the ch5, which i take it is the sp3200.. im 99% sure one of the sticks i have is dodgey..

also yeh im probably inside the 10 day period, but the rams been opened for one and i think it has to still be sealed and the other thing is i shuoldnt have to pay for the delivery/resend fees if the rams faulty, gonna look in to it.

[Theo404]

Good luck with your rma, it sound as if one stick is most probably faulty. Yeah the 3200 SP is CH-5, it says it clearly in the title.

What packaging did the modules come in, curious, because if the BH-5 I recieve are suckas, then their going back.

[slunge]

an small bubblewrapped envelope in 2x antistatic wraps, the main packaging was a box - because i orrdered a dvd writer at the same time.. ive still got the packaging, only problem is that the staticbags were sealed, mind u im just hoping they accept my reasoning for the rma, in dual channel they are insanley bad, in single chan one isnt 100% right.

gonna sort it out in the morning, thanks for your help :)

[uwackme]

? There are NO Abit bios's that are CPCoff....none. That was one of the principle driving forces behind TicTac and others to make modified bios's... to make a CPC OFF version.

TicTac's D26MantaXTcpc is the best one Ive run across, gives me the best results. The "cpc" on the end means cpc OFF. Normal D26MantaXT with cpc on works great with the UTT/VX/newCH5 chips but BH5 doesnt get along with CPC ON on NForce2 boards.

My NF7-S, 3.35Vdimm (Vdimm mod + 3.3Vrail= 3.5V) does 240Mhz 8,2,2,2.0 with 2x512M of TwinmosSP CPC ON. Same setup does 210Mhz max 5,2,2,2.0 2x512M BH5 CPC ON.... CPC OFF gets to 235Mhz.

Before you dump the ram, get TicTac's CPC OFF bios and try it out. Also remember that the bios's default drivingstrength/slewrate settings are not that great, BH5 tends to like DS 6 SR 7, you'll need to use WPCREDIT/SET to alter these at Windows boot. Also the "Alpha" timings are too tight in the bios's (TicTac tried to fix this but wasnt able to in the bios. So you need to use WPCRSET to alter these too. CHeck AMDMB.COM forum, the ABit section, and search for WPCRSET instructions, I spelled it all out there.

[slunge]

thx for the clarification, maybe im getting mixed up with cpc and cpu interface..

after checking the timings, im fairly sure that the rams running at 2T timings, will take another look.. some good info there, ta

[TEDY]

my new ram :

256MB TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM PC3500 BH-5 :) 05094

http://img69.echo.cx/img69/5350/hpim02142ul.th.jpg (http://img69.echo.cx/my.php?image=hpim02142ul.jpg)

http://img69.echo.cx/img69/6871/hpim02190ip.th.jpg (http://img69.echo.cx/my.php?image=hpim02190ip.jpg)

and new 512MB modules PC 3500 05144

http://img69.echo.cx/img69/3889/hpim02229mu.th.jpg (http://img69.echo.cx/my.php?image=hpim02229mu.jpg)

http://img69.echo.cx/img69/4639/hpim02249ia.th.jpg (http://img69.echo.cx/my.php?image=hpim02249ia.jpg)

[Theo404]

They are good sticks, mine clock as good, or better than my old KHX BH-5:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61848&page=2&pp=25

[bonzer]

Would any of you kindly enlighten me on what these modules are, I believe CH-5???

http://www.newegg.com/OldVersion/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1

And what max fsb(you know what I mean) I could expect from them with say 2.5-4-4-8-1T and 2.8 vdimm (max on my 9nda3j without mod)...

[Royicus]

Ah, I just ordered those sticks from newegg and I should get them today, in maybe 5 or 6 hours. I'll certainly let you know what I get, and then you should have an idea on what you will get.

And if i forget, just send me a PM and i'll tell ya. So till then....

[RafaDel]

Ah, I just ordered those sticks from newegg and I should get them today, in maybe 5 or 6 hours. I'll certainly let you know what I get, and then you should have an idea on what you will get.

And if i forget, just send me a PM and i'll tell ya. So till then....

Watch out!

If you buy twinmos non SP from Newegg you will get CADT chips which are terrible overclockers...

[mitgsx]

I got my twinmos SP 3200's from the egg this week and they were 1A4T's.

Had them up to 260 @ 3.55, but my crappy winnie's memory controller sucks and errors. Will boot into windows and run programs just fine though, just not prime and superPi stable.

[Royicus]

Alrighty, just got my set of twinmos sp 3200 512MB and I have 1A4T (BH-5).

Seems good to me :)

[Major]

I ordered 2 sticks of speed premium 512mb PC3200 and one set of Twinmos PC3200 twin pack from Newegg last night, I will post results and what I recieved on Monday 5/16

[bonzer]

I ordered 2 sticks of speed premium 512mb PC3200 and one set of Twinmos PC3200 twin pack from Newegg last night, I will post results and what I recieved on Monday 5/16

wud you mind postin some 'best' results with 2.8 vdimm, my mobo max, before you throw the local power company's sub-station at'em..... :explode:

[hovo73]

with 2.8 you can't get 2-2-2-x timings, but you can get 2-3-2-x up to about 220 maybe 230 MHz.

[Minstadave]

Got 4 modules of PC3500 BH5 a few days ago, none will do stock timings at stock voltage/speed so they're going back. They're just about do stock at 2.8V but not a chance at 2.6

None will do over 250 2-2-2-5 at 3.5-3.7V in pairs. One will do it on its own but the others are pap.

[slunge]

Got 4 modules of PC3500 BH5 a few days ago, none will do stock timings at stock voltage/speed so they're going back. They're just about do stock at 2.8V but not a chance at 2.6

None will do over 250 2-2-2-5 at 3.5-3.7V in pairs. One will do it on its own but the others are pap.

sounds a bit like mine, cept mine wouldnt even do stock at 2.8 in dual channel and one of them in single channel.. they were sent back on tuesday, asked that instead of replacing with the 3500 bh5's if they could sent me the 3200 utt-ch5s in the hope they behave with my nf2 board alittle better.

[Theo404]

minstadave: Did you burn them in? Play with odd settings in on the DFI? I bought two sticks this week, and they do 260 2-2-2-5 at 3.5v, and they are 3200 SP BH-5 not 3500.

[Minstadave]

minstadave: Did you burn them in? Play with odd settings in on the DFI? I bought two sticks this week, and they do 260 2-2-2-5 at 3.5v, and they are 3200 SP BH-5 not 3500.

They haven't had any serious burn in, I've already had some PC3500 that was fine at stock, this latest lot though is awful, I'll burn in over night but if they won't do stock I don't have high hopes for them, they need atleast 2.77V to do stock :slap:

I've played with all the settings, drive strength of 7 seems most stable, tREF of 1168 or 3120 seem best. They just seem like bad modules, especially as my other PC3500s were fine.

[S!1v3rB@cK_Dk]

Hi

I have just bought 2x512 Twinmos SP3200 CH-5. One of them wont even run stock no matter how much volt i give em. And the second one runs 245 2-2-2-5 @3.3v atm. More results to come when I get my faulty stick back from RMA in Germany :S

[Major]

I Got the Twin pack today, they are CADT // Powerchip 0,11. The speed premium should be here Monday.

[S!1v3rB@cK_Dk]

The healthy stick of mine burn in very quickly. It gave me like 80 errors in memtest (test 5) at 245Mhz 2-2-2-5 @3.3v. But already after burning them im at 2 hours no errors would occur at that speed anymore :banana:

[vapb400]

I got one UTT and one BH-5 from newegg and they don't seem to like eachother. I'm currently running the BH-5 alone at 250@3.6 with 2-2-2-5, havnt tested with higher speeds or lower voltage yet.

I'll probably RMA the UTT, think I would be able to request a matching 1A4T or would I be better off RMA'ing both and hoping for 2 UTT's?

[roibm]

Hi... any idea what the 1A4B is?

[Major]

I Got the Twin pack today, they are CADT // Powerchip 0,11. The speed premium should be here Monday.

I just now got around to testing the twinmos SP PC3200 I got from Newegg. They were both UTT BH-5. Right out of the box they did 250mhz @ 3.3v. I'm going to see if this whole "burn-in" stuff is for real. I've got them looping Memtest #5 at 270mhz 3.6v and I'm going to let them run for 3 or 4 days like that and then retest them if they survive ! lol

[RafaDel]

I Got the Twin pack today, they are CADT // Powerchip 0,11. The speed premium should be here Monday.

TMII400 from Newegg are all CADT.

I'm tired of this game and just ordered some Mushkin Redline XP4000 which I guess are much better although the price is very high.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

i got a set of ch-5 aa4ts a few months ago that i run on the pc in my sig I recently ordered a nother gig of spp from the egg and just receiver the 1a4t which are bh-5 so i cane be more happy, crrently all i can do with my ch-5 are about 242 at 3.3 havent figured out how to mod it so i can run maybe 3.4 in it because the dam OCZ memory voltage thing (lol forgot the name) wont work for my DFI board :(

[slunge]

Having had my 3500SP bh-5 replaced ive just had 2x512 3200 SP (CH5/UTT) and so far these are destroying the other stuff i was sent (Mind you that seemed faulty)

on a nf7-s with 3.25 vdimm:

220 2-2-2-5 1T stable it originally seemed to go higher but heat was killing it dispite the 92mm fan attached the the ram

240 2-2-2-5 2T even more stable, i think with 2T timings i can probably go higher, not sure if its my board or the mem restricting me on the 1T/2T timings.

[XaXoL]

Hi. What can somebody say about AADT (Model NO: M2G9J19A-MK) with chips marked: M.tec 0404D TTD7608F8E50D with TwinMOS label. Can this stick work with timings 2-2-2-5 at nominal frequency 200MHz? In dual mode (MoBo: Soltek i865PE)?

[RafaDel]

Hi. What can somebody say about AADT (Model NO: M2G9J19A-MK) with chips marked: M.tec 0404D TTD7608F8E50D with TwinMOS label. Can this stick work with timings 2-2-2-5 at nominal frequency 200MHz? In dual mode (MoBo: Soltek i865PE)?

AADT = Powerchip 0,13

Crap memory, sorry. I would give it a try @ 200MHz 2-2-2-5 just in case...

[g0dM@n]

My TwinMOS SP BH5 that I bought from newegg about 10 days ago could do memtest at 257fsb 1:1 on my DFI NF4 at 2-2-6-2 @ 3.5v (3.56vdimm checkpoint).

A couple months ago I had 3 sets of TwinMOS TMII 2x512 (50D) that did around high 240s to low 250s at 2-2-8-2. I also had two sets of 1x512 TwinMOS SP (AA4T 44D) where one could do like 255ish at 3.4v 2-2-8-2, and the other just couldn't do much at all.

I'm now trying to stabilize my new TwinMOS SP BH5 2x512, but I can't get it stable in windows at 250fsb, even though memtest could do much higher.

I'm thinking about buying more, since they are at $47 each now.

[XaXoL]

I would give it a try @ 200MHz 2-2-2-5 just in case
RafaDel What do You mean?

[RafaDel]

RafaDel What do You mean?

I'm saying if you are lucky you may run this memory at standard 200MHz with low timings. But be aware these are not Winbond chips so you kind of out of game.

[SNIPoR]

i got Twinmos Twister DDR-533 rated with 266Mhz but CPUZ is reading it deffrent.. i can oc it to 280Mhz 1:1 max ,without any problems
i got 0ATT ? so whats that?

[longsiew]

I just RMA my TWSP UTT (AA4T) and unfortunately I got back a (AADT) and this pair of RAM is suck. Once I install this pair into my slot....Beep......Beep.....So it's faulty. What on earth is this? I went to RMA and get a pair of faulty RAM back??? Anyway, I did some oc and the good stick can do stable at 230Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-8 only as compared to my previous AA4T which could do 260Mhz @ 2-2-2-2. Is there anyway I can push further my AADT or not?? Or I just RMA once more time????

My sig
-----------------
Winnie3000+@2070@1.376vcore
DFI NF4 Ultra-D (REV.A3) Bios 618-3
TwinMos SP AADT 256mb x 1 @ 230mhz@2.5-3-3-8@2.9vdimm
IDE Hitachi 80gb 7200rpm 2 mb
Gigabyte 6600GT 570/1200
LG 16X DVD ROM
Gigabyte 52 X CDROM
Panasonic Floppy
icute 420 watt (20 pin)

[Aleman]

i got Twinmos Twister DDR-533 rated with 266Mhz but CPUZ is reading it deffrent.. i can oc it to 280Mhz 1:1 max ,without any problems
i got 0ATT ? so whats that?
I´d say theyre some Hynix Chip.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

ALEMAN WHERE U GET THIS KRAETON THAT WILL DO 270 WITH 3.35 I WAN ME SOME OF THAT SHI RIGHT THERE..oops sry for caps all

[uwackme]

Long... the AADT uses "powerchip" chips which are only good for 200-210, bummer.

[Aleman]

ALEMAN WHERE U GET THIS KRAETON THAT WILL DO 270 WITH 3.35 I WAN ME SOME OF THAT SHI RIGHT THERE..oops sry for caps all
I got them from Celemine1gig here in XS. (we´re in Germany)

Ps. the Kreton died yesterday :P.

[SNIPoR]

I´d say theyre some Hynix Chip.

can you be more specfic?? i mean i need more informations about my ram.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Can someone helpo me find that chart for tref that was posted herte by someone i remember seeing it a few weeks ago and now i cant find it at all, my oc seems stable at 1.95 and i wanna know how to set that in bios for stability

[xenolith]

So has Twinmos Speed Premium (TMSP) PC3200 been discontinued? Specifically with the AA4T label. Can't find any TMSPs anywhere anymore... :confused:

[g0dM@n]

I haven't seen them around in a while. I have 3 gigs of it, and only need 1gig... been trying to sell it. Hopefully my friend will realize it's worth buying from me, but he's stupid.

[Aleman]

Can someone helpo me find that chart for tref that was posted herte by someone i remember seeing it a few weeks ago and now i cant find it at all, my oc seems stable at 1.95 and i wanna know how to set that in bios for stability
U welcome

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=61297&page=3

[lehmin]

The healthy stick of mine burn in very quickly. It gave me like 80 errors in memtest (test 5) at 245Mhz 2-2-2-5 @3.3v. But already after burning them im at 2 hours no errors would occur at that speed anymore :banana:


how burn in memory :P? let running memtest hours? or there is special progs like on cpus?

[kriz]

Hi everyone

cany you tell me if this Twinmos (not speedpremium or twister) ram has bh5 chips on it? I dont think so because winbond chips have the 2 round things in the midle of the chip and one third smaller circle at the lower right i think. its really serious.. because i ordered twinmos twister bh5 a week ago, and this 3200 2,5-3-3-8 ram came to my home today..please help
http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/3749/img09936rz.th.jpg (http://img311.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img09936rz.jpg)

I also made a picture of the chips itself but it is hard to read, so i will write it down for you. 05120 TMD 7608FE50I (i think)

I hope you can help me

[EvolutionCrazy]

Hi everyone

cany you tell me if this Twinmos (not speedpremium or twister) ram has bh5 chips on it? I dont think so because winbond chips have the 2 round things in the midle of the chip and one third smaller circle at the lower right i think. its really serious.. because i ordered twinmos twister bh5 a week ago, and this 3200 2,5-3-3-8 ram came to my home today..please help
http://img311.imageshack.us/img311/3749/img09936rz.th.jpg (http://img311.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img09936rz.jpg)

I also made a picture of the chips itself but it is hard to read, so i will write it down for you. 05120 TMD 7608FE50I (i think)

I hope you can help me

CADT + 05120 = Non Winbond (No bh, no ch, no utt) :D

They are just powerchip @ 0,11u as written in the first post ;)

(Unless they have wrong label / chip prints :D )

[kriz]

thx wasnt sure wich id they were talkin about on the first page but i guess the last 4 letters of the P/N...

you know whats funny? i ordered a twinmos twister BH-5 and they sent me this piece of crap it can run 2-3-3-8 but nothing better..... those powerchips are poor overclocker right? :slap:

i will definately send it back

[lucius]

I've tried anything. But I can't get my mem over 240 MHz @ 3,2V. What could be the problem? See my pics...

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3654/oc39rf.th.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oc39rf.png)

[xenolith]

I've tried anything. But I can't get my mem over 240 MHz @ 3,2V. What could be the problem? See my pics...

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3654/oc39rf.th.png (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oc39rf.png)

No. You don't have "crap mem", lol. 240mhz @ 3.2v is good. Have you tried higher vdimm?

Edit: Just noticed your timings. Have you tried tightening them? You should be able to get at least 2-3-2.

[lucius]

Edit: Just noticed your timings. Have you tried tightening them? You should be able to get at least 2-3-2.

Yes, I have tried to changed the timings. As tied as they can get, but no progress. And about the vdimm, 3,2V is the max I can give with my mobo :mad:
So you say that 240Mhz is a great score :confused: There are guys that can go to 270MHz. Explain my that :rolleyes:

[largon]

lucius,
First, those 270MHz+ 2-2-2-x results are done with ~3.6+. :stick:

What does your P/N-sticker and chips say? Your sticks are definately not Winbond based.
Might be Hynix D43.

[lucius]

lucius,
First, those 270MHz+ 2-2-2-x results are done with ~3.6+. :stick:

What does your P/N-sticker and chips say? Your sticks are definately not Winbond based.
Might be Hynix D43.

here's all you need ;)

chips:
twinmos
05144 BH-5
TMD 7608F8E44B

sticker:
P/N M2GEJ16A8APPFF0811A4T
model no: M2GHEJ16A-PP
S/N : 514M55M31010242
PC3500 (cl 2.5) 512MB DDR-Dimm

[largon]

It seems I read your reply too hasty:
2-2-2-x timings do work at 236MHz? What's the point in that pic w/ 2.5-3-3-8? Winbond chips (which they actually seem to be) don't gain freq from looser timings.


236MHz at 3.2V is quite what one can expect from these things. Put 3.4+ through them and they'll go higher - if your proc can do it.

[lucius]

I've tried to tighten the timings. When I stay at stock speeds there's no problem. But when I try to take the fsb up the system hangs up :mad:

[g0dM@n]

If I were you I would lower my CPU multi to 9 or 10x and try again. You also are only running stock voltage to your CPU from what I see.

Lower your multi, loosen your timings to 2-3-2 or 2-2-2, and then try to hit 240fsb. You're not gonna hit much higher than 240 at 3.2v. I've owned 11 gigs of TwinMOS UTT ram, where about 5 gigs of it was the Speed Premiums. I have super first hand experience with these babies... and to be completely honest, I always ran 3.4-3.65v to them. These things love 3.4v, and definitely gain a few mhz when you hit 3.65v.

[omga14]

with your experience with twinmos do you know why my TMSP BH-5's can do fine individually 235mhz for one and 240 the other at 3.1v's but even if i keep the speeds and timings the same and go to 3.2v's they error out crazy in memtest? also they don't play nice together at all. is it something with the s754 dfi's? i can shoot 3.6v's to them with my psu but don't want to risk anything if they go crazy at 3.2v's.

*edit* i've played with raising cpu voltage and lowering the multi to as far as 8 to eliminate the cpu as the culprit.

[xenolith]

If you haven't already, try putting your memory in slots one and three.

Edit: Here's a screenie of my mem tweaks with my TMSP @ 242MHz/2-2-2/3.2v:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=36503&stc=1

[szukalski]

with your experience with twinmos do you know why my TMSP BH-5's can do fine individually 235mhz for one and 240 the other at 3.1v's but even if i keep the speeds and timings the same and go to 3.2v's they error out crazy in memtest? also they don't play nice together at all. is it something with the s754 dfi's? i can shoot 3.6v's to them with my psu but don't want to risk anything if they go crazy at 3.2v's.

*edit* i've played with raising cpu voltage and lowering the multi to as far as 8 to eliminate the cpu as the culprit.

I have had no success with TMSP BH-5 in my 754.
Can get sticks to run singularly @ 2-2-2 up to 245mhz max, but if I want two sticks together it's 2.5-3-3 @ 200mhz or nothing.
IMO it's a 754 issue, as the same sticks all play together in my 939 with no worries at all. I had one stick which didn't like voltage over 3.2v, but burn-in rectified that.
It might even be the 754 memory controller, because I had issues with a 939 Sempron not wanting to run 2 or more sticks either, yet my Venice's play fine.
It's a bit annoying since I love the 754..

[sponge bob]

I have had no success with TMSP BH-5 in my 754.
Can get sticks to run singularly @ 2-2-2 up to 245mhz max, but if I want two sticks together it's 2.5-3-3 @ 200mhz or nothing.
IMO it's a 754 issue, as the same sticks all play together in my 939 with no worries at all. I had one stick which didn't like voltage over 3.2v, but burn-in rectified that.
It might even be the 754 memory controller, because I had issues with a 939 Sempron not wanting to run 2 or more sticks either, yet my Venice's play fine.
It's a bit annoying since I love the 754..my twinmos twister pc3200 hates anything over 3,1v , burn in wont help (n) 3,1v 2-2-2-7

[sobol]

Darn, my TwinMos Speed Premium PC3200 512 MB AA4T died. Ive rma it but theyve dont have anymore those sticks ( main seller - distributor in .pl ). Im from Poland, ive started to look in shop for this stick , and guess what noone have it. Also all normal TwinMos PC3200 are CADT or AADT.
My question to Alonso is TwinMos retried from building own chips on UTT chips. Is new batch of SpeedPremium's planed to market ?

[S!1v3rB@cK_Dk]

Darn, my TwinMos Speed Premium PC3200 512 MB AA4T died. Ive rma it but theyve dont have anymore those sticks ( main seller - distributor in .pl ). Im from Poland, ive started to look in shop for this stick , and guess what noone have it. Also all normal TwinMos PC3200 are CADT or AADT.
My question to Alonso is TwinMos retried from building own chips on UTT chips. Is new batch of SpeedPremium's planed to market ?

One of my SP PC3200 AA4T just died too.. So now I have exactly the same problem as you Sobol! :(

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Ive had twinmos sp aa4t and 1a4t die on me and the aa4t isnt gonna be easy to get replaced, I called twin tech support and they said maybe it can be repaired but itll take 6-8 weeks to get back, because has to be sent to cali then they send it to taiwan or something crazy like that..
sucks :(

[S!1v3rB@cK_Dk]

One of my SP PC3200 AA4T just died too.. So now I have exactly the same problem as you Sobol! :(

Just talked to the company I bought the ram at, and they say that they have gone bankrupt! So now I have to send it to Twinmos instead :stick:

[Monge]

Just talked to the company I bought the ram at, and they say that they have gone bankrupt! So now I have to send it to Twinmos instead :stick:
That sucks.
Where did you buy them?

[uwackme]

Im really regretting not putting 4 sticks aside for backup. They were so cheap...UGH.

I do have a local dealer with Twinmos 1A4T sticks, mid $50's each, I think I may take my machine in to "test" a couple sticks for compatibility :D and buy a pr for backup.

They never had AA4T though, so sad.

[sponge bob]

why those twinmosses dye allthe time? i have atm aa4t 2x512 they are looking nice 250mhz 2-2-2-5 @3,3v . cant undetstand why they just die?

[uwackme]

No biggie, just SOME of them die. But if they live they live for a long time. It's just some fail, and for safety having set aside some backups would have been a wise decision....especially when they were $54 a stick at TheEgg :fact: :nono: :clap:

[S!1v3rB@cK_Dk]

That sucks.
Where did you buy them?

www.cheeep.de but I just talked to twinmos in Holland yersterday, and they would be happy to replace the dead stick.. So atm my stick is on its last journey which goes to the Dutch fields of dead ram, also knows as the Twinmos Department in Holland :fact:

[Monge]

www.cheeep.de but I just talked to twinmos in Holland yersterday, and they would be happy to replace the dead stick.. So atm my stick is on its last journey which goes to the Dutch fields of dead ram, also knows as the Twinmos Department in Holland :fact:

Glad to hear and good to know who to contact :)
I have some Twinmos UTT/CH-5 myself and I hope they do not die.

[Rolf]

Any idea which chips -1A4B are? (On TwinMOS Twister BH5)

[Bluebeard]

Winbond "new" BH5 like the name says...

[kingmaker_20]

Hi there,
Just got my 2x512 TWSP PC3500 frm RMA.
both stated BH5 before i send it to RMA,but now the faulty stick replaced to ACMT 0536M TMD7608F8E44F any idea which chip is this?Hynix D43??:mad:
Will there be any problem if i mix clock both chip(1x BH5 and 1x non BH5):slap: :slap:

[Bluebeard]

whats the info on the label?

check first page if it matches or not....

[kingmaker_20]

Nothing match,i couldn't find ACMT:(
here's the code from label:
P/N:M2GEJ16A8APPFF081ACMT
cHIP:
0536M
TMD7608F8E44F

[mongoled]

Hi guys, just got hold of these, can someone confirm for me wht these are, if i have understood correctly these are UTT BH-5's?

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2565/tmspbh50we.th.gif (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tmspbh50we.gif)

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3482/tmspbh5mod2cn.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers

[$ilver]

Hi guys, just got hold of these, can someone confirm for me wht these are, if i have understood correctly these are UTT BH-5's?

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/2565/tmspbh50we.th.gif (http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tmspbh50we.gif)

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/3482/tmspbh5mod2cn.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Cheers
1A4T -> bh5 ^^

[mongoled]

1A4T -> bh5 ^^Sorry, are you saying these are the original BH-5's??????

:slobber:

[Athens[2004]]

Alonso @ 1a4t + aa4t = bh5 & utt , just desapear from stores quickly and all the stick that come [here in Greece] are non-utt-bh5 [uccc , and other ''values'' ] .Also the speed premium are not bh-utt any more.

Have u you know something about this . ? Twinmo's stores are out from winbond chips ?

[mongoled]

']Alonso @ 1a4t + aa4t = bh5 & utt , just desapear from stores quickly and all the stick that come [here in Greece] are non-utt-bh5 [uccc , and other ''values'' ] .Also the speed premium are not bh-utt any more.

Have u you know something about this . ? Twinmo's stores are out from winbond chips ?

egamota, ti einai auta ta ram? UTT or BH-5? :)

[largon]

Mongoled,
Your sticks are BH-UTT.

[mongoled]

Mongoled,
Your sticks are BH-UTT.
Hey thanks for verifying tht for me

:)

[Athens[2004]]

Ξάδερφε mongoled @ all sticks with batch 1a4t are ''new'' bh5 and with aa4t are UTT ,

bh's also can do ''trfc'' = 12 , instead of UTT's that with trfc = 12 are freeze or dont boot.

By the way put that damm sticks on your dfi and tell us what is :hehe:

[mongoled]

']Ξάδερφε mongoled @ all sticks with batch 1a4t are ''new'' bh5 and with aa4t are UTT ,

bh's also can do ''trfc'' = 12 , instead of UTT's that with trfc = 12 are freeze or dont boot.

By the way put that damm sticks on your dfi and tell us what is :hehe:
ela filoudi :)

Can u post me a A64 tweaker pic, of wht settings I should try for with this ram, i will try it out tomorrow (am in middle of prime95 testing)

[uwackme]

Yes, AA4T are the UTT based on new run of the CH5 chips.

While 1A4T are the UTT based on new runs of the BH5 chips.

Rumor had it the new run of CH5 had some improvments over the original CH5, while the new BH5 was just another run of the same "good stuff" BH5 chips.

If they dont BREAK on you, the AA4T UTT (CH5) are without question THE BEST there has ever been. 4x 512M 3.1Volts 255Mhz 8,2,2,2.0 for me in DFI NF4 SLI-DR.... and that is WITH the FK'd up Vtt issue. But the UTT (CH5) have had some premature death issues, I have 8 sticks here, and 5 are perfect, 3 have "issues" where they freak out with voltage over 3.1V now.

I cant begin to understand why they didnt CRANK out a ton of the new CH5. The best ram ever made. It will require DDR2-1000 to TIE, not beat but TIE this ram in actual use.

AM2 chip and switch to DDR2 is utter folly. Oh wow, AM2 will support the equivalent of PC3200 (DDR400) "STOCK"!!! Imagine that, a true breakthrough, wow, yippee.