New OCZ BH-5 and VX , what to expect

[ryanpgroovy]

I just wanted to make a few notes concerning some of the new OCZ products so that people have a fair idea of what there getting , And what speeds to expect , so I will make a quick list


OCZ " Value VX " PC-3200 Value with winbond UTT - ( should be priced around 130-140 USD )

This product is only tested for the value specification , but uses winbond utt, a very high percentage will do 220-240 with the right voltage , with I would guess half overall do above 240 ( 2-2-2 ). A small percentage will do 2-2-2 at 2.85-2.9 volts ( these are lucky sticks , not the norm )
if your trying to squeeze a few extra Mhz try 2-3-2

OCZ PC-3200 VX ( 2nd lowest in pricing about 200USD now and dropping )

You guys should know what to expect now , but I will state it for the record
these do on average 240 , many people after burn in get higher I have seen 250-260 ( I am sure not many do 260 ) , if your getting over 250 dont trade these in for VX-4000 , it just not a good deal if your trying to squeeze a few extra Mhz try 2-3-2


OCZ-4000 VX ( price should be dropping )

These should do at least the specification , but these of course dont have the same overhead the VX-3200 do , they are meant for those who want to hit 250 minimum, now some percentage of these will do 260 or even 265 after burn in , but thats not certain , only a very small percentage of the WB UTT chips meet our test specification for VX-4000.


OCZ PC-3200 Gold 2-2-2 ( should be priced less than PC-3200 plat rev 2 )

New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage


For those of you who have asked , where do all the lower performing chips go
most end up in these products.

OCZ PC-3200 Value ( not listed as a winbond chip )
OCZ PC-2700 performance


Just wanted to make sure everyone knows what to expect. :toast:

[cadaveca]

That's great info. I'll buy OCZ if you guys will live up to these claims. I'll take the 3200 gold, myself. WHen and where are they available?

[andyOCZ]

That's great info. I'll buy OCZ if you guys will live up to these claims. I'll take the 3200 gold, myself. WHen and where are they available?

3200 Gold is the newest product. It will take a week or two to get into the channels. This should be a hot item, so look soon.

[perkam]

OCX PC-3200 Gold 2-2-2 ( should be priced less than PC-3200 plat rev 2 )

OMG which chips on those !!!!!?????

And kudos Ryan, always a treat having an OCZ rep telling us which ram we should be buying :bows:

EDIT: Oh look its an OCZ thread party :D Ty to you too Andy. Hope Bigtoe doesnt show up lol I dont like editing my posts more than once lol j/k ;)

Perkam

[bachus_anonym]

Very fair and honest info from the manufacturer. I will :toast: to that...

I like that one in particular, Ryan :thumbsup:

...if your getting over 250 dont trade these in for VX-4000, it is just not a good deal...

[ryanpgroovy]

I just want people to know what there getting , I mean sometimes people have strange expectations out of a product ,

Example
Just because half of the people hit 265 2-2-2 in a screen shot doesnt mean every unit can do that ,

[HiJon89]

OCZ PC-3200 Gold 2-2-2 ( should be priced less than PC-3200 plat rev 2 )

New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage
<3 :slobber:

[bachus_anonym]

I just want people to know what there getting , I mean sometimes people have strange expectations out of a product ,

Example
Just because half of the people hit 265 2-2-2 in a screen shot doesnt mean every unit can do that ,
I think this is what those people need to know... And maybe finally they will understand. 265 out of VX sticks for EVERYDAY and fully stable use is REALLY good. Those should be good for, say, 270 for some benchmarking. And those would be VERY lucky sticks.
But one just can't expect 270 from every pair and RMA it when one hits 255 only... It's all about REASONABLE, down to earth expectations.

Thanx Ryan...

[Enz0]

ryanpgroovy, please make 256MB of OCZ PC-3200 Gold 2-2-2, too.
I love 256MB sticks.

[Gogeta]

Wow! Awesome info coming straight from a rep. Can you give us similar data for your TCCD line?

[ryanpgroovy]

:-)

[perkam]

Actually a lot better looking smiley would be:

8^)

LOL :up:

Perkam

[un0kai]

ryan: do you have a part number for the bh die?? How is the bh die compared to the utt?

[cadaveca]

will be better if they are on brainpower, IMHO. I'll buy a pair just to try, if they are not too expensive.

[eva2000]

I just want people to know what there getting , I mean sometimes people have strange expectations out of a product ,

Example
Just because half of the people hit 265 2-2-2 in a screen shot doesnt mean every unit can do that ,
folks need to start posting full suite of results like i do i guess http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56679 :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

thanks for the heads up Ryan, is there any chance some of the VX line are using BH or are they all based on the CH/UTT die?

[Tony]

will be better if they are on brainpower, IMHO. I'll buy a pair just to try, if they are not too expensive.

We only use BP PCB pretty much and have done for well over a year now. Remember we were pretty much the first to do so and all others have followed.

[ArcTan]

thanks for the heads up Ryan, is there any chance some of the VX line are using BH or are they all based on the CH/UTT die?also how UTT compares with the new BH-5?

[REDKEN]

I thought the "new" stuff would be the EL PC4000 VX Gold @ 2,2,2 (+/- 3.0v). What happened to that?

P.S. I had just read a review yesterday over at Amandtech dated March 4th, 2005. Has the RAM been on the market for a while and Amantech just reviewed it late? Or is there some new stuff coming out? :confused:

[Tibu]

Wow... I don't think there has ever been a time where at the same time the consumer has had so many chips performing at an average of 250fsb. :toast:

[perkam]

Yeah it seems like a last ditch swaree before DDR2 hits and it'll all go back to pc-4000 at cas 3 :rolleyes: Hope not !!! :D

Perkam

[ooztuncer]

OCZ and its reps: Thanks for your open and fair "what to expect" ations! As a disappointed geil customer (purchased ultra-x assumed to be TCDD, found out BH-5), I'll definitely buy OCZ next time, just keep on going!

[Zedex]

also how UTT compares with the new BH-5?

I'd also like to know how it compares. :stick:

[isp]

OCZ-4000 VX ( price should be dropping )
Curious, what is MSRP? I just ordered a pair from newegg last week, it's going to go lower than $260?! :eek:

Also, thanks for the heads up on the 3200 gold, care to say what that should be going for? :)

[isp]

It's all about REASONABLE, down to earth expectations.QFT. I think andy said it best in a thread a while back:

"If we could get PC4400 speeds out of these we would be selling that."

[Major]

yeah, I'm tired of buying OCZ PC3200 memory and not being able to hit 270mhz, rip off artists !!!!!! LOL :D

JK ;) You guys have great stuff, I've got some VX Gold 4000 on the way

Peeps should just keep in mind that anything over the rated specs is pure gravy. You shouldn't expect anything more and you'll never be disapointed.

[mcnbns]

OCZ PC-3200 Gold 2-2-2
I might just be inept, but I couldn't find a product page for this at OCZ. Anyone care to link me up? I'm very interested in this RAM. Thanks! :)

[HiJon89]

I might just be inept, but I couldn't find a product page for this at OCZ. Anyone care to link me up? I'm very interested in this RAM. Thanks! :)
Hasn't been released yet, there isn't even a product page yet.

[saaya]

i hope we will see a revival of the ocz 3500 plat bh5 :D

[Bennah]

yea thats the mem that I want to get but its rare...

guess i would just have to pick up some 3200 gold 2-2-2 instead. i loved my 3700 gold rev 1... 267 2.5-3-3-8 :D

[nebuchanezzar]

New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage


I'm curious about these but don't like how everyone (no offense guys) keeps calling them BH5. They aren't, they are using a different size die now 150nm vs 175nm?? or something and BH5 can do 2-2-2 at 2.7v very often. I'm not dissing the chips just being realistic I am very interested in seeing these in action. They do show possibilities for sure. Can you guys give us anything more specific for dates of release or S/Ns to look out for? I love how you guys(OCZ) respond to our community and want to thank you for the heads up.

[ryanpgroovy]

Winbond actually refers to them as BH , when we purchase them from winbond the part number has the BH desigination.

I have heard mixed stories about whether they are .175 or .16 micron process and honestly dont know what to beleive.

[skate2snow]

Ryan, finally those are really BH, or you found out that it is different but still call it like that because thats how they are known?

[mcnbns]

Hasn't been released yet, there isn't even a product page yet.
That might be why. :)
I'm curious about these but don't like how everyone (no offense guys) keeps calling them BH5. They aren't, they are using a different size die now 150nm vs 175nm?
Ryan didn't call them BH-5, he just said they used the BH die. Being that he's the guy interviewed here (http://www.xtremeresources.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=10&page=1), I'm inclined to believe what he says. ;)

[ryanpgroovy]

Winbond actually refers to them as BH , when we purchase them from winbond the part number has the BH desigination.

Officially they are " OCZ brand chips based on winbond BH die "

[enzoR]

on the winbond PDF sheets they are listed as 175um

[Zedex]

on the winbond PDF sheets they are listed as 175um

These new IC's that people are referring to as BH-5?

If so then wouldn't that mean they were in fact new production of BH-5? :confused:

[krille]

ryad or andy, any ideas at all how these BH dies will compare to old goodie BH-5 and/or UTT? you've been awfully quiet... has there been any testing at all involving these new BH?

[UnreaL]

A small percentage will do 2-2-2 at 2.85-2.9 volts ( these are lucky sticks , not the norm )

Bah, my twinmos (hard to get OCZ in UK + its like 2x the price :mad: ) wont do 2-2-2 @ 3.1, let alone 2.9.... (we are talking about ddr 400 not 500 I hope :( )

Damn unlucky aint I...

[charlie]

I thought I read somewhere that Winbond was no longer in the DDR business and that the old BH die was owned by another chip mfg...
:shrug:
All these UTT are just untested Winbond chips that if binned in a certain way will perform as tested

And it seems MANY of these untested UTT chips do quite nicely, including my NEW MUSHKIN BLUE sticks @ $120/1G

[CrimeDog]

nice sticks charlie, what vdimm?

200mhz 2-2-2 @ 2.85v? isn't that fairly high compared to bh5? or do they just need serious binning like the UTT?

[enzoR]

These new IC's that people are referring to as BH-5?

If so then wouldn't that mean they were in fact new production of BH-5? :confused:

the -5/-6/-7.5 is jsut the speed grade. in the Winbond spec sheets BH dies is listed to be manufactured useing 175um process.

[charlie]

nice sticks charlie, what vdimm?

200mhz 2-2-2 @ 2.85v? isn't that fairly high compared to bh5? or do they just need serious binning like the UTT?

3.6v.... am currently burning them in trying to get better numbers...I'd like 280 :D

C

[enzoR]

do they respond beter >3.6v?

[R.Rabbit]

sweet, hope these newer bh labled chips perform as good as their old siblings, think i might pick up a gig for gaming and keep my 2x256 for benching

[enzoR]

then you might wanna wait for the yields to improve abit i think

[andyOCZ]

I work remote, so I have not seen or tested them.

Some quotes from the first post:

"New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage"

"OCZ PC-3200 VX ( 2nd lowest in pricing about 200USD now and dropping )

You guys should know what to expect now , but I will state it for the record
these do on average 240 , many people after burn in get higher I have seen 250-260 ( I am sure not many do 260 ) , if your getting over 250 dont trade these in for VX-4000 , it just not a good deal if your trying to squeeze a few extra Mhz try 2-3-2"

I think this sums it up. I would not expect the 3200 Gold BH to outrun the 3200 VX. What the BH will do is tight 2-2-2 timings at lower volts. VX won't do this.

[chinkgai]

I work remote, so I have not seen or tested them.

Some quotes from the first post:

"New Product using BH die , does 2-2-2 at 2.85 , higher speeds at higher voltages are possible but we dont screen for those , we screen for 2-2-2 at the lowest voltage"

"OCZ PC-3200 VX ( 2nd lowest in pricing about 200USD now and dropping )

You guys should know what to expect now , but I will state it for the record
these do on average 240 , many people after burn in get higher I have seen 250-260 ( I am sure not many do 260 ) , if your getting over 250 dont trade these in for VX-4000 , it just not a good deal if your trying to squeeze a few extra Mhz try 2-3-2"

I think this sums it up. I would not expect the 3200 Gold BH to outrun the 3200 VX. What the BH will do is tight 2-2-2 timings at lower volts. VX won't do this.

whew :banana: my vx wasnt a waste then...i was gona be upset for a sec i didnt get the bh-5 :lol:

[c7775]

We only use BP PCB pretty much and have done for well over a year now. Remember we were pretty much the first to do so and all others have followed.


so adata did vitesta 600 and you followed like ... a year later ? come on m8
OCZ aint that special , there are 10 other brands that produce pretty much the same stuff

[SLaY3r07]

i hope we will see a revival of the ocz 3500 plat bh5 :D

That would be teh own4g3 :banana4:

[ryanpgroovy]

OCZ is special :-)

[SLaY3r07]

OCZ is special :-)

OCZ is the :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :)

[c7775]

well m8 i dont know , i only ever bought some pc180 ram from you guys and was so fu*****ing pissed off that it didnt do 150 at cas 3 even... But i suppose thats back in the day.

I only use ADATA now.. vitesta 500 does 590 cas2.5-3-4-0-1T so im happy

[skate2snow]

so adata did vitesta 600 and you followed like ... a year later ? come on m8
OCZ aint that special , there are 10 other brands that produce pretty much the same stuff Beleive me, it is true that OCZ as been copied MANY times.....

[Tony]

so adata did vitesta 600 and you followed like ... a year later ? come on m8
OCZ aint that special , there are 10 other brands that produce pretty much the same stuff

When we started using the 808 no one else was, we also released DDR600 a year ago although next to no boards and CPU's could do the FSB. I remember trying to get an MSI to run 300+ at CEBIT with ram i had running well over 300 with an Asus P4c800e, the cpu was a P4M that runs 311fsb at 1.5v air cooled all day.

I have a feeling its more like 18 months with the BP PCB, Ryan will know more as he decided to switch to it...it was shortly after the 3700gold rev1, we were testing 4000gold with Hynix BTD43 from what i remember and we were using a pretty funky HP PCB that worked well on asus but not much else. I remember the first modules i got on the PCB were running 297fsb with the mobile 2.5-4-4-5...i should still have em here some where.

[HiJon89]

so adata did vitesta 600 and you followed like ... a year later ? come on m8
OCZ aint that special , there are 10 other brands that produce pretty much the same stuff
:grr: OCZ has by far the best customer support in the business, and besides that they make the best type of pretty much every memory, their UTT is the best UTT, their BH-5 was the best BH-5, their Hynix is the best Hynix, the only arguable thing is whether GSkill TCCD is better, besides that there is absolutely no reason not to buy OCZ memory.

[c7775]

When we started using the 808 no one else was, we also released DDR600 a year ago although next to no boards and CPU's could do the FSB. I remember trying to get an MSI to run 300+ at CEBIT with ram i had running well over 300 with an Asus P4c800e, the cpu was a P4M that runs 311fsb at 1.5v air cooled all day.

I have a feeling its more like 18 months with the BP PCB, Ryan will know more as he decided to switch to it...it was shortly after the 3700gold rev1, we were testing 4000gold with Hynix BTD43 from what i remember and we were using a pretty funky HP PCB that worked well on asus but not much else. I remember the first modules i got on the PCB were running 297fsb with the mobile 2.5-4-4-5...i should still have em here some where.

interesting, but what i remember is that when i was looking to buy ddr600 modules in october 2004 the only company that had anything remotely next to ddr600 modules was Twinmos with teh ddr566 twister, of course i stand to be corrected

:grr: OCZ has by far the best customer support in the business, and besides that they make the best type of pretty much every memory, their UTT is the best UTT, their BH-5 was the best BH-5, their Hynix is the best Hynix, the only arguable thing is whether GSkill TCCD is better, besides that there is absolutely no reason not to buy OCZ memory.

yeah m8 I disagree with you and want to be rude to you :confused: i have had numerous sticks of Geil and Adata rams which have performed better than any ocz i have *tested*, i have only ever bought it once and i shall not do it again, considering how expensive it is compared to anything else. Come on... 1Gb of Vitesta 600 is 227$

I have always appreciated them taking care of their consumers (somethign that they did not do back five years ago, not that youd know of course, considering why probably did not know what memory was then), but the price we have to pay is too inflated

[death metal]

nice info....am slowly liking OCZ back again =)...

[HiJon89]

yeah m8 go f** yourself too :confused: i have had numerous sticks of Geil and Adata rams which have performed better than any ocz i have *tested*, i have only ever bought it once and i shall not do it again, considering how expensive it is compared to anything else. Come on... 1Gb of Vitesta 600 is 227$

I have always appreciated them taking care of their consumers (somethign that they did not do back five years ago, not that youd know of course, considering why probably did not know what memory was then), but the price we have to pay is too inflated
How can you call OCZ too expensive when for $150 you can get 1GB of Value VX which people are getting around 240 2-2-2-5 with
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=3073425_24_44_94_176&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=MEDD_OCZT_AG_C2&USER_ID=www

[c7775]

How can you call OCZ too expensive when for $150 you can get 1GB of Value VX which people are getting around 240 2-2-2-5 with
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=3073425_24_44_94_176&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=MEDD_OCZT_AG_C2&USER_ID=www

cool but
1) My board allows up to 3.4V (with Vmod)
2) My cpu runs at 340X8 , i dont want my memory to run at 240

[chinkgai]

dude voodoo, you're in the wrong thread

[Tony]

interesting, but what i remember is that when i was looking to buy ddr600 modules in october 2004 the only company that had anything remotely next to ddr600 modules was Twinmos with teh ddr566 twister, of course i stand to be corrected



yeah m8 go f** yourself too :confused: i have had numerous sticks of Geil and Adata rams which have performed better than any ocz i have *tested*, i have only ever bought it once and i shall not do it again, considering how expensive it is compared to anything else. Come on... 1Gb of Vitesta 600 is 227$

I have always appreciated them taking care of their consumers (somethign that they did not do back five years ago, not that youd know of course, considering why probably did not know what memory was then), but the price we have to pay is too inflated

Half the issue with the price in the uK is not our fault m8, in the US sales are volume over markup...in the UK its markup over volume. I know this as i questioned gibbo on pricing on his forum and was instantly banned.

We are working hard to drive prices down in the UK and the EU, we are a growing company and you will see changes soon.

Regarding what happened 5 years ago...thats long gone bud, the only place that keeps rearing its head is on another well know forum where they chose to live in the past.Infact im just about to RMA a guy here in the UK who 2 years ago never recieved his replacement module from a well know online reseller. He only wanted a 256 module but will end up with a dual channel kit...

You have to admit thats customer service! I don't see any other company looking after customers like this.

[cadaveca]

We only use BP PCB pretty much and have done for well over a year now. Remember we were pretty much the first to do so and all others have followed.


when did you start using the BP pcb?

[c7775]

Half the issue with the price in the uK is not our fault m8, in the US sales are volume over markup...in the UK its markup over volume. I know this as i questioned gibbo on pricing on his forum and was instantly banned.

We are working hard to drive prices down in the UK and the EU, we are a growing company and you will see changes soon.

Regarding what happened 5 years ago...thats long gone bud, the only place that keeps rearing its head is on another well know forum where they chose to live in the past.Infact im just about to RMA a guy here in the UK who 2 years ago never recieved his replacement module from a well know online reseller. He only wanted a 256 module but will end up with a dual channel kit...

You have to admit thats customer service! I don't see any other company looking after customers like this.

well m8 i have to say that i am very happy when someone responds maturely to this :) perhaps youll c me as a customer very soon the way things are going

thanks very much and about gibbo, hes an outright &^#^ (sorry for that) and ive had many dealings with him and defective products

[Tony]

when did you start using the BP pcb? probably around 18 to 20 months ago or so

[pythagoras]

Lets not let this thread nosedive please. There is no need to flame, use bad language(however disguised). Forum rules are being bent if not broken.

Lets all show some maturity ;)

Regards

John.

[cadaveca]

probably around 18 to 20 months ago or so

would you attribute it to the increased performance of other modules over the jedec spec, or is it just luck of the draw? Is it the PCB which allows the use of high voltage, or the chips themselves?

[Tony]

would you attribute it to the increased performance of other modules over the jedec spec, or is it just luck of the draw? Is it the PCB which allows the use of high voltage, or the chips themselves?

Look at reviews/roundups, OCZ with the BP PCB was winning right from the BTD43 days.

it took Nate on Legit Reviews to point this out to corsair and now even they use it...LOL

[ed.howell]

well m8 i have to say that i am very happy when someone responds maturely to this :) perhaps youll c me as a customer very soon the way things are going

Trust me you won't be disappointed!! From my personal dealings with OCZ and their products I won't buy anything else :up:

[SAE]

Great news... I'd have a problem chosing between 4000VX and 3200Gold 2-2-2 though :shrug:

:D

[ryanpgroovy]

ok guys .. I just want to put an end to the weird stuff in the thread , so hopefully this will fix it

I am glad that people like to buy Memory from our fine Taiwanese based competitors , they surely can make things cheaper that we can here in the US.

I wont argue about our products consistently outperformour competitors , because I surely can not convince everyone that is the case , no matter how much I beleive it or how much we strive for it.


But , short of any problem years ago , OCZ has become known as the company with the best service and warranty.. if you dont like service and you dont like warranty , then OCZ is not for you .

If warranty and service are your highest concern , take a look at titanium series , which has lifetime advanced replacement warranty



If you support OCZ becuase we firmly support the overclocking community , and our CEO is a Mad Overclocker ... then we are glad to have your business and will go any length to make sure your satsified with our product

Oh and BTW .. if you have that old PC-180 ( from the old days ) that doesnt work right , email me at ryan@ocztechnology.com , and I will make sure you get one of our new products as a free upgrade , just to make up for lost time :-)

[neokenzo]

Great news... I'd have a problem chosing between 4000VX and 3200Gold 2-2-2 though :shrug:

:D

Same here. Just about to order the 4000VX and now have to think about ot :p:

[HiJon89]

Same here. Just about to order the 4000VX and now have to think about ot :p:
lol, this is pretty funny the way people are going back and forth on the 4000VX, first a couple people only got 255 2-2-2-5 and some people got mad and didn't want it, then someone got 265 2-2-2-5 and then a lot of people wanted it, finally OCZ mentions more BH memory and some people don't know if they should've gotten the VX :lol:

[chunkylover77]

ok guys .. I just want to put an end to the weird stuff in the thread , so hopefully this will fix it

I am glad that people like to buy Memory from our fine Taiwanese based competitors , they surely can make things cheaper that we can here in the US.

I wont argue about our products consistently outperformour competitors , because I surely can not convince everyone that is the case , no matter how much I beleive it or how much we strive for it.


But , short of any problem years ago , OCZ has become known as the company with the best service and warranty.. if you dont like service and you dont like warranty , then OCZ is not for you .

If warranty and service are your highest concern , take a look at titanium series , which has lifetime advanced replacement warranty



If you support OCZ becuase we firmly support the overclocking community , and our CEO is a Mad Overclocker ... then we are glad to have your business and will go any length to make sure your satsified with our product

Oh and BTW .. if you have that old PC-180 ( from the old days ) that doesnt work right , email me at ryan@ocztechnology.com , and I will make sure you get one of our new products as a free upgrade , just to make up for lost time :-)


Good god almighty. That is unbelievable customer support. Hey I have purchased alot of RAM from you guys. Can I have a job?
:D

[chinkgai]

Oh and BTW .. if you have that old PC-180 ( from the old days ) that doesnt work right , email me at ryan@ocztechnology.com , and I will make sure you get one of our new products as a free upgrade , just to make up for lost time :-)

wow, and i thought costco had the best return policy :slobber: :toast:

[Reefa_Madness]

If I hunt down some old non-working PC-180 on eBay will you guys trade them in on a set of PC3200 Gold with the new BH-5????

(doesn't hurt to try does it? :) )

[ryanpgroovy]

hmmmmmmm

[bachus_anonym]

If I hunt down some old non-working PC-180 on eBay will you guys trade them in on a set of PC3200 Gold with the new BH-5????

(doesn't hurt to try does it? :) )
ehh....??? what a day :rolleyes: I'm now seriously embarassed...

dude, come on...

[andyOCZ]

Same here. Just about to order the 4000VX and now have to think about ot :p:

I say there is nothing to think about, unless you want 2-2-2 at 2.85v. The 4000VX will run higher speeds than 3200 Gold.

Easy decision I think.

[ryanpgroovy]

:toast:

[iddqd]

3200 Gold is the newest product. It will take a week or two to get into the channels. This should be a hot item, so look soon.
Any chance that you guys will do some really high binning? So... rather than screening for those that, say do 250MHz (VX4000), you bin, say 1 out of 40 for highest possible speed in that batch of 40 chips.
How can you call OCZ too expensive when for $150 you can get 1GB of Value VX which people are getting around 240 2-2-2-5 with
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=3073425_24_44_94_176&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=MEDD_OCZT_AG_C2&USER_ID=www
Hmm? Competition sells value VX for $110/1Gb
True dat, True dat.
Of course, some people could argue that it's Mushkin pc3500 level II that is the best BH-5, but I'd say otherwise. the Mushkin PCB is nice, but it doesn't have EMI shielding like the OCZ PCB. Hmm.. then again I remember that Kingston made some really good BH-5 as well... so you could say that it was a 3-way tie between those 3.

[krille]

is there any way (other than e-bay) to get BH-5 today (for sure)?

btw, did i get things right, the VX4000 > 3200 Gold BH?

[Reefa_Madness]

ehh....??? what a day :rolleyes: I'm now seriously embarassed...

dude, come on...


Would that be embarassed by not being able to recognize humor when you see it (smiley face and all)?

dude, come on...

Like to you really think that if I was serious about doing that I would first post my intentions...?

[krille]

Would that be embarassed by not being able to recognize humor when you see it (smiley face and all)?

dude, come on...

Like to you really think that if I was serious about doing that I would first post my intentions...?

we know you were - BUSTED.

[Reefa_Madness]

we know you were - BUSTED.


OK, OK, you got me.

My "punishment"...30 days of hard labor at OCZ's test facility to be spent hand testing new BH based PC3200 Gold sticks...and they say crime doesn't pay, hah! And yes...I always wear those baggie pants with deep pockets all over them.


Just for the record guys...this is also another attempt at humor.

[Der_KHAN]

If I hunt down some old non-working PC-180 on eBay will you guys trade them in on a set of PC3200 Gold with the new BH-5????

(doesn't hurt to try does it? :) )thats what i'd do if i hadnt already bought some vx4000 :D

[Grov]

Are OCZ gonna get more rams available in UK?

I only know of one place selling OCZ VX and i know a lot of UK sites. Shame for such nice memory. :)

[Ashe]

Hmm? Competition sells value VX for $110/1Gb
link plz :slobber:

[enzoR]

twinmoss, mushkin...

[ryanpgroovy]

We should have a fair amount of VX memory avaible in the UK , so I will check with the sales dept on this .

as far as releasing a really high bin , We basicaly thought VX 4000 was as high as we could go , the problem being we have to do something with the chips that dont do the spec ( we cant put them into 3200VX as that would cause an uproar) , so they need to go to one of the non VX value products ) and if less that a certain quantity ( say 15%) pass the spec we have a whole lot of pretty good memory we have to sell at less that our cost to test and manufacture it ( hand testing is quite expensive in the US )

[iddqd]

But notice how G.Skill has a wide array of different bins for the same product? pc4000: LA, LB pc4400: LC, LD, LE, LF pc4800: LA, LB, ?FF?. That's 8 different bins for TCCD.

I'm pretty sure they don't actually bin chips the usual way either (that is screening once). Well, they obviously do screen for different frequencies (hence, 4000, 4400 and 4800), but how do they determine from there which chips go on which stick? Screening again, for a high frequency they know only a small % of chips can pass... and then lower. So you got two bins and a leftover, all of which qualify for pc4800. There you go, you got LA, LB and the mysterious FF. :)

I suppose that many different grades is a bit redundant, but BH-5 could be binned in the following fashion:

Performance pc2700 2-2-2-X 2.8v-2.85v
Value pc3200 BH-5 2-X-2-X 2.85v
Gold pc3200 BH-5 2-2-2-X 2.75v
Platinum pc4000 BH-5 2-2-2-X 3.2v (pc3200 2-2-2-X 2.75v) [250MHz]
Platinum pc4400 BH-5 2-2-2-X 3.6v ("""""""""""""""""""""""""""""") [275MHz]
Platinum pc4560 BH-5 2-2-2-X 4.0v ("""""""""""""""""""""""""""""") [285MHz]

That's 6, but Performance pc2700 could be either CH-5 or BH-5 (I don't suppose it makes a difference), and Gold pc3200 BH-5 can be scrapped, and the chips that only do 3200 all go to the Value sticks. So you could cut the number down to 4. Moreover, you don't have to introduce all of those right away ;). Start with pc3200 and pc4000, and then launch pc4400 when you're ready, and so on.

Another question - would Brainpower808 PCB work with these IC's, or only Samsung TCCD? Are the PCB IC-specific?

[ryanpgroovy]

275 is just not possible at this point
in addition is we do the grading the way you ask , then there would be no chance that any gold vx 3200 for example would ever do 250 , as we would have pulled the best of those out

[cadaveca]

LoL. you guys should be sourcing people like me for your testing. There's time for everything, if it's something you love. LoL. People like me would do testing for free product....LoL.

[bito]

ADATA used the 808 BrainPower pcb well over two years ago.....had them on my BH-5 512mb sticks way back then......
'twas good ram, but alas, i didn't realise how good until it was sold.
Oh well.....now got an OCZ 3500 Platinum LE 1gb D/Channel kit.

Did you guys start using the 808 BP pcb when you tied up with them for overflow production??

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2003/36

[ryanpgroovy]

We actually had them start using it for our overflow , then they liked it also ( no doubt why )

We are BTW working on a new wonder PCB ;-)

[mcnbns]

I, for one, really appreciate what OCZ is doing here.

They're trying to give us enough bins that we can actually get a good deal on some low-rated good overclocking memory, and we can pay more to get a bit of an overclocking guarantee with higher-rated stuff (VX 3200 & VX 4000).

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and OCZ has drawn it about as close as one can get to where it should be. They need to make money and I think we forget that sometimes. :)

EDIT: any dates for this "wonder PCB"? :banana:

[iddqd]

275 is just not possible at this point
in addition is we do the grading the way you ask , then there would be no chance that any gold vx 3200 for example would ever do 250 , as we would have pulled the best of those out
There isn't a chance that pc4400GBLC will ever be as good as pc4400GBLE, but it's not like you see anybody complaining. After all, there's the pc4400GBLE... ;) ;)

Well, you know exactly what you're getting. It's not a gamble, like for example the mobile 2400 barton situation... where you could get one that overclocks to 2.4Ghz, or one that does better than a 3200 barton... or whatever the highest rated mobile variant was. Sure, it's possible to have a wonder one that does 2.9Ghz, but what are the chances?... I suppose the 175nm process (I thought BH-5 was 150nm btw, what's up with that?) is mature enough to have something similar, if you bin them based on a ratio [For example: best chip out of 40 is binned for 275MHz (hypothetically speaking) you ignore the other 3 chips which are just as good, so they go to the lower bin even though they can make the 275 one]. As to why 275 is impossible, I wouldn't understand... I mean there were sticks that could hit 275 (HELL, even BH-6!!), they just weren't binned enough, so it was once again a gamble. But, if you created a more precise binning procedure (like G.Skill) you could group all the best chips together, and put them on one stick. And second best. And third best. And so on... so people will pay more, but they will pay more to know exactly how good their stick is. Or pay less to know exactly how mediocre it is... either way, you know what you get :D.

Of course, you could just have one line, say pc3500 BH-5, and have the better/worse ones distinguished by letter codes, like G.Skill (did I ever mention I don't like that naming scheme?). Yeah, I don't like that naming scheme. Well, I got no problems with it personally, but people get confused. First of all, which is better, the one that's higher in alphabet, or lower in alphabet? And how exactly is each letter grade better /worse than the next? I think that numbers can express that sort of information much better.

[SLaY3r07]

We are BTW working on a new wonder PCB ;-)

:rocker:

[chinkgai]

yes that would be best....for us overclockers

how profitable would that be? thats another story

the way you are imagining it is just too labor intensive to be very profitable...they are based in sunnyvale CA, not india or china where labor is dirt cheap...we have minimum wage laws here (currently 6.75USD) and im SURE ocz isnt paying their employees that. while ocz is big, they arent huge like amd or intel.

also, by impossible...he probably knows the yields better than you and i

it must be a pretty low percentage for them to not go with it...or else which manufacturer wouldnt want to have the performance crown and do as you say? its just not how a business is run...you have to talk about profit margins and economies of scale and different market sectors and all that other fun stuff

we are a niche market, not the only market which ocz caters to

[ryanpgroovy]

:-)

[Tony]

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2005/129

Stores will have it soon ;)

[c7775]

We should have a fair amount of VX memory avaible in the UK , so I will check with the sales dept on this .

as far as releasing a really high bin , We basicaly thought VX 4000 was as high as we could go , the problem being we have to do something with the chips that dont do the spec ( we cant put them into 3200VX as that would cause an uproar) , so they need to go to one of the non VX value products ) and if less that a certain quantity ( say 15%) pass the spec we have a whole lot of pretty good memory we have to sell at less that our cost to test and manufacture it ( hand testing is quite expensive in the US )
mate i know testing it expensive over there, so i propose you send me ALL Your memory modules and ill personally test each one of them and then sell.... eh send them back to you :cord:

[Nanobot]

http://www.ocztechnology.com/aboutocz/press/2005/129

Stores will have it soon ;)


Great news !

But warranty up to 2.8v max for BH-5 is quite low ?!

FYI: here's the PN from the product page above: OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel Gold

[HiJon89]

Great news !

But warranty up to 2.8v max for BH-5 is quite low ?!

FYI: here's the PN from the product page above: OCZ4001024ELDCGE-K OCZ EL DDR PC-3200 Dual Channel Gold
The warranty is for 3.0V +/- 5% = 3.15V

[Nanobot]

My bad :doh: I read the left tree info,didn't see the small caption at the bottom.


3.0v is still low for BH-5.

Why give VX gold 3.5V ± 5% and give BH-5 only 3.0v ± 5% :confused:

Must be because of a new smaller winbond die ?

[iddqd]

yes that would be best....for us overclockers

how profitable would that be? thats another story

the way you are imagining it is just too labor intensive to be very profitable...they are based in sunnyvale CA, not india or china where labor is dirt cheap...we have minimum wage laws here (currently 6.75USD) and im SURE ocz isnt paying their employees that. while ocz is big, they arent huge like amd or intel.

also, by impossible...he probably knows the yields better than you and i

it must be a pretty low percentage for them to not go with it...or else which manufacturer wouldnt want to have the performance crown and do as you say? its just not how a business is run...you have to talk about profit margins and economies of scale and different market sectors and all that other fun stuff

we are a niche market, not the only market which ocz caters to

Making computer parts in the U.S.? That's just silly. Nobody does that... :stick:

Besides, if they're going to make enthusiast-grade parts, at least do it right. Nobody wants crappy BH-5.

[navahoo]

where do i get these "Value VX"?!
and i also didn´t find any product page of them at ocz website...

[babyelf]

omg... new PCB?

still choosing between 3200vx or 4000vx ... now i have to add 3200gold and "wonder pcb" into account.

damn

[MaZeR]

OCZ guys, how does this new "BH" ram perform at high voltage say, 3.4+? Is it still hit and miss performance like BH-5 was?

[iddqd]

omg... new PCB?

still choosing between 3200vx or 4000vx ... now i have to add 3200gold and "wonder pcb" into account.

damn
I'm guessing something that will implement their ZB chip.

[wfarid]

I heart OCZ, when a lot of mem companies are shifting focusing on ddr2 ram, ocz is still keeping it real and recognizing the huge market the ddr1 that is here and will continue to be here for a while... And I'll def be anticipating ur new wonder pcb... :slobber:

[enzoR]

OCZ guys, how does this new "BH" ram perform at high voltage say, 3.4+? Is it still hit and miss performance like BH-5 was?

i would like to know aswell.

[ooztuncer]

Hi all,
I have a quick question (especially to ryan because he started this thread). I also asked this question in the new ram list thread but I couldn't get an answer.

Can you also give some expectations-estimate speeds-with volts around this ram: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+EL+DDR+PC-3200+Dual+Channel

Is this same as "value vx"? I believe this particular module is using UTT, however I'm not sure... Thanks for your time.

Regards

[SLaY3r07]

I heart OCZ, when a lot of mem companies are shifting focusing on ddr2 ram, ocz is still keeping it real and recognizing the huge market the ddr1 that is here and will continue to be here for a while... And I'll def be anticipating ur new wonder pcb... :slobber:

Don't forget OCZ is teh own4g3 for DDR2 as well :banana:

[isp]

If these guys outperform my VX for less money steam's gonna come out of my ears. :hehe:
Did I miss the MSRP of the 3200 gold?

[ryanpgroovy]

I am not sure the top speed on the EL 3200 sorry

[navahoo]

once again my question, are value and value vx the same and if not, where do i find the vx to buy and a productsite ... thx!

[ryanpgroovy]

the value VX has a different part number / and is different

here you can find it here
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=8396301_65_105_228_242&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=MEDD_OCZT_AG_C2&USER_ID=www

[jjcom]

Hi all,
I have a quick question (especially to ryan because he started this thread). I also asked this question in the new ram list thread but I couldn't get an answer.

Can you also give some expectations-estimate speeds-with volts around this ram: http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/memory/OCZ+EL+DDR+PC-3200+Dual+Channel

Is this same as "value vx"? I believe this particular module is using UTT, however I'm not sure... Thanks for your time.

Regards

I've got some of this, when I bought it, it was Hynix, but it could have changed by now. I can do 218mhz 2.5-3-3-10 with 2.8v,

jjcom

[navahoo]

the value VX has a different part number / and is different

here you can find it here
http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=8396301_65_105_228_242&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=MEDD_OCZT_AG_C2&USER_ID=www

thanks ryan, but how do i find out which one i´m going to buy?
what´s the special part number for vx?

i´m living in germany so i would prefer to order them here.
but i just found this here
http://www.cheeep.com/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=1658&IDU=2005032402312084.56.11.213&SectionID=

may you have a look and thanks again for your help!!

[perkam]

This isnt the Value VX thread Navahoo (cool name :up: ), that thread is over here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54168

And thats where u can also find how to identify Value VX chips. Secondly, OOZTUNCER, you can check out the "New Ram List !!!" Sticky Thread in the Xtreme Bandwith forum where in the first posts there is info on all types of ram and any future questions you have about any particular ram can be answered there by the likes of Punisher et al.

More specifically, there is Mushkin Blue Line UTT and Twinmos SP UTT at lower prices than some value ram that will be cheaper than OCZ EL 3200 however, that is why there is Value VX ;) If you're not overclocking though, thats prolly pretty good ram.

BUT WHAT I WANT TO KNOW is whats the low down with the 3200 Gold...as in when is it coming out and will it have the same rarity as the Value VX ?

Perkam

[ArcTan]

I'm guessing something that will implement their ZB chip.would ZB = zero bandwith? jks :D

[OCZEric]

thanks ryan, but how do i find out which one i´m going to buy?
what´s the special part number for vx?

i´m living in germany so i would prefer to order them here.
but i just found this here
http://www.cheeep.com/chips.php?op=modload&name=cheeep_shop&file=description&II=1658&IDU=2005032402312084.56.11.213&SectionID=

may you have a look and thanks again for your help!!

Those are not the correct modules. I think it should be available at the link below soon, but it's in the Netherlands. Still closer than buying from the US though :)

http://www.icomputers.nl/product_detail.asp?A_ID=1895&S_ID=412&SS_ID=776&SSS_ID=774

Hope this helps.

-Eric

[ooztuncer]

Secondly, OOZTUNCER, you can check out the "New Ram List !!!" Sticky Thread in the Xtreme Bandwith forum where in the first posts there is info on all types of ram and any future questions you have about any particular ram can be answered there by the likes of Punisher et al.

Thanks for the reply, though this is from my first post:

QUOTE: I also asked this question in the new ram list thread but I couldn't get an answer. QUOTE

Punisher also doesn't know, however perhaps you are correct I shouldn't ask this question here... BTW, thanks for the information jjcom...

continue...

[skate2snow]

Hey Ryan, you know when we should have more info about Zero Buffer technology and what will be the first models to be built on that tech? And will you be selling that PCB design or keep it for OCZ alone?

Thanks,
Mathieu Aucoin

[ryanpgroovy]

I will look into it and let you know

[babyelf]

any info on the when to expect it too?

[skate2snow]

He said he will look at it;)

[navahoo]

lots of thank to everyone who gave me a helping hand! :thumbsup:

[ryanpgroovy]

Looks like ZB is still in the tweaking phase , so the ETA is unknown , I know a few beta testers were working with the engineering team on it :-)

[iddqd]

So, that's the wonder PCB you were talking about earlier?

[babyelf]

Looks like ZB is still in the tweaking phase , so the ETA is unknown , I know a few beta testers were working with the engineering team on it :-)

cool

thanks for the info ryan

[skate2snow]

Thanks Ryan, I appreciate.... Since it is still in the tweaking phase they wont be out till around 2-3months I assume?

iddqd : The wonder PCB is ZB... Zero Buffer.... It is also known under another name that starts by P, but I dont remember.... There is a thread about it.... But they dont explain the tech for patent purpose I think....

[andyOCZ]

Hey guys,

We try and move fast to stay ahead or on top of the market. This can mean that products seem to "overlap". We price our products according to the testing and basic component price. To fully test and gurantee speeds takes more time and costs more. We also try and work prices down for you. The alternative would be to keep prices high and not pass any savings on to you. We aplogize if prices fall, but such is the way of the RAM market (at least for OCZ ;)).

As you know, yields can vary with week codes and the only way to really discover this is to build and test. We also see that some chips are benefiting form "burn in". Without actually burning in each VX or BH product for a few days (resulting in a 400.00 kit of RAM) we have no idea other than our speed testing at set speeds what these individual BH and VX kits will ultimately do. We know what the kits we have burned in do, and these results vary, but do improve.

You see, nothing has changed in the 7 years that I have been overclocking. Some CPU's run faster, some motherboards clock better and some RAM does higher speeds. I don't see too many of you RMAing a good working CPU because it only does 2600mhz when it's rated fro 2000mhz. Your buddy might get 2750mhz form the same basic CPU and another might get 2500mhz. It's called "Luck of the Draw", just like playing cards.

The bottom line here, is that we really try and give you what you want. The employees at OCZ are overclockers too. We hang out in these forums and watch what you are up to and then try and give you what you need.

Have a good weekend. Don't eat too many hard boiled eggs. Ever see the movie "Cool Hand Luke"? :eek:

[cadaveca]

andy..ewww.

LoL. You shouldn't really have to explain such things, as they are prety standard issues for every company, but it IS appreciated.

OCZ goes a small step farther...letting us know what sticks to buy to burn in ourselves is great info, and not many manufacturers will offer up that kind of info.

You should seriously consider sourcing out testing tho...alot of us here have literal farms of machines..that would be easily set-up as testbeds. i guess you telling us which sticks to buy, like the value-VX, kinda gives the same result.

my home power bill is upwards of $400 a month with my machines running 24/7, so i totally understand the high costs of memory. But i hav ebeen buying sticks that consistently perform @ 2-3-2-6 up to 433mhz(217) for less than buying a set from you guys would. Not a big deal, due to the lack of support from the company i get them from, and knowing what the average cost in just power alone to test the sticks to ensure stabilty can be quite a bit, never ming having to build the system in the first place to test.

so i have a question for you OCZ guys...how large is your testing facilities, in the number of machines?

[iddqd]

Hey guys,

We try and move fast to stay ahead or on top of the market. This can mean that products seem to "overlap". We price our products according to the testing and basic component price. To fully test and gurantee speeds takes more time and costs more. We also try and work prices down for you. The alternative would be to keep prices high and not pass any savings on to you. We aplogize if prices fall, but such is the way of the RAM market (at least for OCZ ;)).

As you know, yields can vary with week codes and the only way to really discover this is to build and test. We also see that some chips are benefiting form "burn in". Without actually burning in each VX or BH product for a few days (resulting in a 400.00 kit of RAM) we have no idea other than our speed testing at set speeds what these individual BH and VX kits will ultimately do. We know what the kits we have burned in do, and these results vary, but do improve.

You see, nothing has changed in the 7 years that I have been overclocking. Some CPU's run faster, some motherboards clock better and some RAM does higher speeds. I don't see too many of you RMAing a good working CPU because it only does 2600mhz when it's rated fro 2000mhz. Your buddy might get 2750mhz form the same basic CPU and another might get 2500mhz. It's called "Luck of the Draw", just like playing cards.

The bottom line here, is that we really try and give you what you want. The employees at OCZ are overclockers too. We hang out in these forums and watch what you are up to and then try and give you what you need.

Have a good weekend. Don't eat too many hard boiled eggs. Ever see the movie "Cool Hand Luke"? :eek:

I thought that was painfully obvious? Anyway, G.Skill removed the gamble from memory overclocking. Or at least, narrowed it down to +-10MHz, which is pretty good within itself. Of course, it comes with a price, but I'm (and many others :D) are more than happy to pay it. My question stands: why can't you do the same? I can't be bothered to go RMA 10 sticks of ram to find two that overclock well.

By the way, you can do machine burn-in. I was looking through Mouser's catalog, and they have TSOP dip socket that's rated at 400,000 insertions and the intended use is "test and burn-in". So i'm guessing you can have a contraption that would put the chips in the socket to have them burned it. Or binned. But I'm sure you already knew that.

[skate2snow]

First, those test machines are far from performing as well as hand test...

Second.... Do you know how much background RMA G.skill did since a few months?If I were you, I wouldn`t even talk about G.skill in this thread... This is an informative thread that the staffs from OCZ did to inform US of what is better to buy by our budget...

[iddqd]

And OCZ never had to do a single RMA? In most cases, it's user error, anyway. Like people expecting a 300MHz stable memory on a Winchester. Which doesn't always work :). They blame memory, and go through many RMA's and different brands to find out that the memory controller sucks.

[HiJon89]

And OCZ never had to do a single RMA? In most cases, it's user error, anyway. Like people expecting a 300MHz stable memory on a Winchester. Which doesn't always work :). They blame memory, and go through many RMA's and different brands to find out that the memory controller sucks.
RMA'ing with OCZ is a pleasure, they basically give you your choice of any memory you want, within reason of course. I've done 2 RMA's with OCZ, first was for 2x512MB PC3500 EB, I wanted 2x512MB PC4000 Gold Rev.2 and they gave it to me no problem, second time it was 2x512MB PC3700 EB, I wanted 2x512MB PC3700 Platinum TCCD and again they did it no problem.

[HiJon89]

Nothing; my post was no less irrelevant than yours. I mean - who the hell is talking about warranty service quality here? :stick:
Umm, the two people who posted above me were :stick:

Second.... Do you know how much background RMA G.skill did since a few months?If I were you, I wouldn`t even talk about G.skill in this thread... This is an informative thread that the staffs from OCZ did to inform US of what is better to buy by our budget...

And OCZ never had to do a single RMA? In most cases, it's user error, anyway. Like people expecting a 300MHz stable memory on a Winchester. Which doesn't always work :). They blame memory, and go through many RMA's and different brands to find out that the memory controller sucks.

[iddqd]

Umm, the two people who posted above me were :stick:
Yes, and we were discussing the quantity, and by no means the quality. I'm sure both OCZ and G.Skill have very nice customer service, it's just not what we were talking about.

[HiJon89]

Yes, and we were discussing the quantity, and by no means the quality. I'm sure both OCZ and G.Skill have very nice customer service, it's just not what we were talking about.
I just can't help but tell everyone I see about how OCZ rox0rz my sox0rz :D

[iddqd]

What the? I only see Kingston and G.Skill... and an OCZ PSU, althought those aren't too good for what they do. If anything, I should be displaying my OCZ pride.

[skate2snow]

Did he said he is using OCZ, no... He said he likes OCZ with some reasons... And about RMA... What you do if your RAM`s arrive and cant even do close to what it is rated, or they arrived damaged, or they died subitly... I`m sure you wont say : I will buy new ones.... You will blame it on the company... And if the company handles it well, THERE you will be happy.

I would like to persopnnaly ask you to not post if you want to post something like post 140... And if you want to put down a company, start a thread... You will see how fast it will be closed if it is irrevelant like some of your posts in this thread.

Thanks

[GazC]

Hey guys,

We try and move fast to stay ahead or on top of the market. This can mean that products seem to "overlap". We price our products according to the testing and basic component price. To fully test and gurantee speeds takes more time and costs more. We also try and work prices down for you. The alternative would be to keep prices high and not pass any savings on to you. We aplogize if prices fall, but such is the way of the RAM market (at least for OCZ ;)).

As you know, yields can vary with week codes and the only way to really discover this is to build and test. We also see that some chips are benefiting form "burn in". Without actually burning in each VX or BH product for a few days (resulting in a 400.00 kit of RAM) we have no idea other than our speed testing at set speeds what these individual BH and VX kits will ultimately do. We know what the kits we have burned in do, and these results vary, but do improve.

You see, nothing has changed in the 7 years that I have been overclocking. Some CPU's run faster, some motherboards clock better and some RAM does higher speeds. I don't see too many of you RMAing a good working CPU because it only does 2600mhz when it's rated fro 2000mhz. Your buddy might get 2750mhz form the same basic CPU and another might get 2500mhz. It's called "Luck of the Draw", just like playing cards.

The bottom line here, is that we really try and give you what you want. The employees at OCZ are overclockers too. We hang out in these forums and watch what you are up to and then try and give you what you need.

Have a good weekend. Don't eat too many hard boiled eggs. Ever see the movie "Cool Hand Luke"? :eek:

Your post is fair comment Andy, but you guys are your own worst enemies sometimes. I mean, you don't see AMD or Intel reps posting insane overclocks of their latest CPUs here, so people expect buying a Cpu to be a crap-shoot to a degree if they plan on overclocking it.

When you guys have a new brand coming out you usually herald it with a thread showing insane screenies of clocks and/or bandwidth or an overclocking God will start a thread showing what they have done with your ram. Stuff like that does create a level of expectaion amongst customers, so if their memory does not overclock like they expected from your screenies they are bound to be dissapointed and want to RMA.

I'm you already know this though, lol

Can't fault your RMA process though (apart from the lack of joy I had with my booster problems, just as well I won't need it when my DFI NF4 arrives).

[ryanpgroovy]

I am the only OCZ guy really posting screenies here , and thats not always with our new products , Just me posing my benches as I have been a member here for quite sometime and overclocking is my hobby ,
I am just proud of my OC acomplishments



:-D


Oh and buy the way ... can everyone stop arguing , the purpose of this thread is give people a fair idea what to expect from diferent OCZ speed grades ( I would glady post about any memory , but that might seem biased )

[ryanpgroovy]

For those looking for the new BH based 2-2-2 3200 gold , its just been listed at atacom but you might wait for the price to stabilize

http://www.atacom.com/program/print_html_new.cgi?cart_id=2271728_65_105_228_242&Pagecode=SEARCH_ALL&Item_code=MEDD_OCZT_AG_G8&USER_ID=www

[cadaveca]

Any advice on burning these sticks? i plan on two pairs, but 2.8v is a bit high for one board.(only looking for 205fsb on that board)

[ryanpgroovy]

I cant recomend them on boards that cant do at least 2.8 , We dont test them at the lower voltage and that Might cause issues

[cadaveca]

rgr thanks.

what do you recommend for those timings at lower volts then(underclocking a higher set is doable, if the price is right)


sorry for the q's..but...

any 1gb sticks of bh planned?

[ryanpgroovy]

PC-3200 platnium rev 2

BH dies only comes in 32x8 , its not possible to make a 1gb module based on them , unless you want it double height or stacked.

[andyOCZ]

I don't have the RAM yet (mine is coming), but if the timings were loosend to 2.5-3-2 or some such this might allow lower volts. We don't test this way, so no promises. :)

[skate2snow]

AFAIK, BH5 doesn`t really like having timings looser... At least at 260MHz I got error at 2.5-3-3 and not at 2-2-2... Possibly a bug, but I doubt...

[cadaveca]

I don't have the RAM yet (mine is coming), but if the timings were loosend to 2.5-3-2 or some such this might allow lower volts. We don't test this way, so no promises. :)


it;s the 2-2-2 that i am looking for. I can get OCZ her fairly easily(still ahv eto import, which sucks, but sometimes ya gotta do what you gotta do), but nothing tccd based, which of course would do this.

SO how do i get 2-2-2 in gb modules? i know 2-3-2 is easy to get, but i prefer the extra 15mb of bandwidth due to the lower latencies.

[babyelf]

hey ryan.. when u've tested the 3200gold BH ones can u let us know?

[iddqd]

PC-3200 platnium rev 2

BH dies only comes in 32x8 , its not possible to make a 1gb module based on them , unless you want it double height or stacked.
How is that possible? If you wire two chips in parallel, they would still act as one chip, no?

[cadaveca]

ther are a few oem's doing doubles, now.

[formyfaith]

Your post is fair comment Andy, but you guys are your own worst enemies sometimes. I mean, you don't see AMD or Intel reps posting insane overclocks of their latest CPUs here, so people expect buying a Cpu to be a crap-shoot to a degree if they plan on overclocking it.

When you guys have a new brand coming out you usually herald it with a thread showing insane screenies of clocks and/or bandwidth or an overclocking God will start a thread showing what they have done with your ram. Stuff like that does create a level of expectaion amongst customers, so if their memory does not overclock like they expected from your screenies they are bound to be dissapointed and want to RMA.

I'm you already know this though, lol

Can't fault your RMA process though (apart from the lack of joy I had with my booster problems, just as well I won't need it when my DFI NF4 arrives).

A similar thing happened with the OCZ VX PC4000.
I remember one of the reps saying that the VX PC4000 will be
speed bined somewhere above the 250 point, and it will definitly do
better than the VX PC3200. Suddenly the thread's atmosphere
starts to rock. :rolleyes: I mean everyone saying
"man then I might be able to reach 270-280!", and none of the reps
making comments for those expectations, and just keep saying that
VX PC4000 will be definitly better than PC3200 VX...

I personally had a PC3200 VX that did 260+ and think about it.
After a rep saying that the VX PC4000 will be speed bined somewhere
above the 250 point, any people would think that then the VX4000
would have good chances of reaching 260.

So people with VX PC3200 doing 260+ would sell them
and gamble for a new VX4000 with confident minds predicting that the
VX4000 would reach near atleast around 260. I was one of them, too.

But, know what? to tell the truth now, I had a chance to
test 10 VX4000s(because all of them were sold to me and my friends
here), and the results are 2 sets DOA, and only one set did over 260 with rest
doing around 250-255. Don't ask me if I did nice burnins or the mem controller
issues becasue I, or neither of my friends are not newbies to OCing.
Almost all of my friends here formally had VX PC3200 doing 260+,
so wouldn't they be upset? I bet the batches have turned out a bit bad
as time went on, which happens with a lot of computer hardwares.

Reps should have explained for people with PC3200 VXs doing over
260 should think over before selling them to go buy the new VX PC4000.
(as one of the reps made the statement later)

I don't blame OCZ for this, but there's been too many misunderstandings,
and confusions with the VX3200 and VX4000.

BTW I totally agree on the fact that overclocking is a luck of draw.
(Come on, I've had this OC hobby since 1998. Why shouldn't I know it.)

But from now on, I would appreciate it if OCZ kind of controls
people's nonsense expectations, and their marketing
prior to releasing new products. ;)

P.S
I personally own a lot of OCZ products, and love their customer service.
It's also good that there are nice reps taking care of people's problems and discussions. :)
Just hoping a little bit more out of OCZ. :)

[jjcom]

I remember reps saying things about if you already have a good clocking set, then you shouldn't sell and buy the VX4000 thinking you'll be getting better

jjcom

[formyfaith]

I remember reps saying things about if you already have a good clocking set, then you shouldn't sell and buy the VX4000 thinking you'll be getting better

jjcom

The atmosphere thing and about what the reps said which I mentioned
was a while before OCZ has told us what you said jjcom. ;)
Lets just have some nice hopes for the feature. :toast:

[SLaY3r07]

Either way, any product that OCZ makes is pure own4g3 :)

[EMC2]

How is that possible? If you wire two chips in parallel, they would still act as one chip, no?

The CS pin wouldn't be wired together, but connected to seperate selects from the DIMM slot. ;)

[iddqd]

this is a foreign concept to me.

[Tony]

First thing i must just add that OCZ never make or made any suggestions that VX4000 would do 270 to 280 at 2-2-2, what we said is that 2-2-2 at 250 is now guaranteed where with the 3200 it was not.....you guys here were the ones who pushed the 4000 to 280fsb and then had a hard come down when it didn't do that speed.

I see this now every time we launch a new product you all expect it will do some incredible speed even if Ryan or my self try to be cautious with you and tell you just as it is.

The new BH seems to improve with burn in, both Andy and myself do NOT have it yet, as soon as we do we will quietly test then post results. Ryan beleives its a good product and thats enough to tell me it has some promise.

Also again as far as i know its 512's only, 256's may clock higher but we only sell a handfull which means we don't claw our money back on it.Things may change though, so it 256's are made we will report it here.

So to finish , please wait to see reults from our testing or results from beta testers, we will do our best to show the BH doing just what it does at what ever voltage and then you can all make your minds up.

Tony

[gundamit]

I would appreciate it if OCZ kind of controls
people's expectations when it goes too nonsense,
prior to releasing new products. ;) Outside of saying that the new VX will do 250 right out of the box and pummeling people who post claims that the new memory is the messiah, there's not much they can do. Maybe they should forget about their next Booster or power supply and concentrate their resources on developing a mind control machine. It sure would make thier reps jobs easier.
;)

[formyfaith]

Outside of saying that the new VX will do 250 right out of the box and pummeling people who post claims that the new memory is the messiah, there's not much they can do. Maybe they should forget about their next Booster or power supply and concentrate their resources on developing a mind control machine. It sure would make thier reps jobs easier.
;)

Made some add-ins to my formal comment to express my feelings better.
Should take a look. :)
BTW controlling expectations and whatsoever is not what I really want.
You should be able to understand how I feel after reading it.

[gundamit]

Made some add-ins to my formal comment to express my feelings better.
Should take a look. :)
BTW controlling expectations and whatsoever is not what I really want.
You should be able to understand how I feel after reading it. Read through your edited version and you do express your dissapointment better and give a better picture of your personal experience. If I were in your shoes, I'm sure I'd feel the same way. I do recall a rep alluding to a little cushion on thier specifications.

My UTT tale of woe is limited to some TwinMos SP (CH-5) i picked up a couple of weeks ago. It flew in over 260 on 100+ loops of memtest #5 but wasn't stable in Windows at that same speed unless I went 2-3-2 at which point it couldn't compete with my TCCD. Those 2 512mb stick are now sitting in a gaming rig doing 2-2-2-6 at 240 and 3.2v. I'll pull them out at some point to give them another try. Not much to complain about but I'm mentioning it to illustrate a point. Even though I had some great TCCD and nice Mushkin BH-5 I gave into to the hype on the UTT. Its hard not to when you're overclocking. In fact I still want to check out the Mushkin Blue at Outpost and wanted to drop $110 (they gone up since) on the 2x512 Geil 2-3-3-6 just becuase I suspected they might be Geil's take on UTT. When the Twinmos SP PC3500 is available in the U.S. I know I'll want to cue up for that as well. Even though I know I should be saving for Venice.

Okay, now I'm just rambling. I had a point when I started ... and I'm still pretty sure its one of the following:

1. OCZ is the devil. :p:
2. The risk/reward/cost formula we use on every purchase isn't perfect and given enough chances we're bound to make a bad call. Try to keep a stiff upper lip in public forums like I did when I got a CBBID 3500+. I only cried myself to sleep for a week. ;)
3. Once that Venice comes out I'll really (no this time for sure) be happy with my gaming rig. :rolleyes:

Peace.

[ryanpgroovy]

The funny thing is I told many people in the forums, not to upgrade from 3200 VX to 4000 vx is they were getting much above 250,that is was specificaly not worth it, then mentioned it many times after that. Then I figured most people must be not getting it and I posted a thread about it

We are trying to make sure people have fair expectations ,,

Alos I must say that just about anyone getting anything crazy with VX has been getting it after some healthy burn in times


I wonder how many VX-4000 users are burning in

[iddqd]

First thing i must just add that OCZ never make or made any suggestions that VX4000 would do 270 to 280 at 2-2-2, what we said is that 2-2-2 at 250 is now guaranteed where with the 3200 it was not.....you guys here were the ones who pushed the 4000 to 280fsb and then had a hard come down when it didn't do that speed.

I see this now every time we launch a new product you all expect it will do some incredible speed even if Ryan or my self try to be cautious with you and tell you just as it is.

The new BH seems to improve with burn in, both Andy and myself do NOT have it yet, as soon as we do we will quietly test then post results. Ryan beleives its a good product and thats enough to tell me it has some promise.

Also again as far as i know its 512's only, 256's may clock higher but we only sell a handfull which means we don't claw our money back on it.Things may change though, so it 256's are made we will report it here.

So to finish , please wait to see reults from our testing or results from beta testers, we will do our best to show the BH doing just what it does at what ever voltage and then you can all make your minds up.

Tony

I wouldn't worry too much about 256's. There are plenty available on ebay and FS/FT forums. People don't seem to want them anymore, so they're really cheap too.

We are trying to make sure people have fair expectations ,,

And my idea (ok, I stole it from G.Skill) would fulfill those expectations. Whatever is wrong with that...?

[formyfaith]

The funny thing is I told many people in the forums, not to upgrade from 3200 VX to 4000 vx is they were getting much above 250,that is was specificaly not worth it, then mentioned it many times after that. Then I figured most people must be not getting it and I posted a thread about it

We are trying to make sure people have fair expectations ,,

Alos I must say that just about anyone getting anything crazy with VX has been getting it after some healthy burn in times


I wonder how many VX-4000 users are burning in


Sorry Ryan, but me or neither of my friends here got the VX PC4000
before any of the reps mentioning what you said above.

Actually it's because of my post before, that reps have started to tell people
not to gamble for the VX PC4000s if they have VX PC3200 doing 260+.

As I said before I don't need or never will ask for RMAs,
because the VX PC4000s surely does meet their rated specs,
and I totally understand the fact that OCing is a luck of draw.

BTW me and my buddys did burn in for a long time, and still are burning
the VX PC4000s, but the results are not nice yet.
It's just that I'd like to see some better marketing next time. :)

Cheers.

[HiJon89]

I think people are just used to OCZ mem going way over spec, no one bought their PC3200 Plat Rev.2 expecting to only get PC3200, no one bought the 3200 VX expecting only to get PC3200. If you think about it, pretty much all OCZ memory made in the Gold or Platinum line OC'ed like woah over spec, the 3500 and 3700 EB's usually hit 260+, the PC4000 Gold could easily hit 260+.I guess people just assumed that if 3200 VX does PC4000, then 4000 VX must do PC4800 :p:

[iddqd]

I think people are just used to OCZ mem going way over spec, no one bought their PC3200 Plat Rev.2 expecting to only get PC3200, no one bought the 3200 VX expecting only to get PC3200. If you think about it, pretty much all OCZ memory made in the Gold or Platinum line OC'ed like woah over spec, the 3500 and 3700 EB's usually hit 260+, the PC4000 Gold could easily hit 260+.I guess people just assumed that if 3200 VX does PC4000, then 4000 VX must do PC4800 :p:
That's definetly not impossible. Say, if you binned out out of a 100 chips for best performance, and then put them on one stick, you could have a stick that can do 280.

[chinkgai]

i thought i explained why it wasnt practical to do so? :confused:

[jjcom]

yeah, binning chips like that would take a good amount of time and prices would soar. So now we've got super fast RAM that next to no one can get. Wouldn't be good for OCZ really, since it would cost them to bin the chips, then few people would buy since it would cost a quite a bit.

jjcom

[iddqd]

i thought i explained why it wasnt practical to do so? :confused:
Then why is there a company that does that and is successful? Explain that.

[jjcom]

We're talking about BH-5 and UTT chips. I know of no company bining those chips to hit 280mhz. OCZ and Gskill have PC4800 of TCCD chips tho, if thats what your getting at.

jjcom

[iddqd]

We're talking about BH-5 and UTT chips. I know of no company bining those chips to hit 280mhz. OCZ and Gskill have PC4800 of TCCD chips tho, if thats what your getting at.

jjcom
4400le, 4800la, 4800ff. Of course, BH-5 won't do 300MHz, but a 275MHz bin is definetly feasible, as even BH-6 can do those speeds.

[jjcom]

yeah, those are TCCD, but I would wait and see. Winbond "just" came back. The BH die is coming out again so I would wait and see how things turn out.

jjcom

[iddqd]

yeah, those are TCCD, but I would wait and see. Winbond "just" came back. The BH die is coming out again so I would wait and see how things turn out.

jjcom
Not necessarily. There are plenty of old BH-5 chips still available on the market. Who knows, maybe OCZ decided to buy them up and see which are good, and which not? There aren't many "overclocking" weeks left, but you could still find some if you looked hard enough.

[skate2snow]

I doubt that a good number of BH5 does 275MHz at any timings. At least, none of my BH5`s got over 276MHz no matter what timings and volts (up to 4.1...). Most were not even gaining 5-7 MHz by loosing the timings...

[Tony]

If we were to test each indevidual IC, then build modules with these IC's we could in theory make PC4400 2-2-2, issue is it would cost huge amounts and i bet we would only ever see 1 or 2 kits sold.

We have the BH IC's now, its called 3200gold BH and it responds well to burn in and does do 2-2-2 at a lower voltage than the VX, issue is we are not sure how high. As usual some will do real well, most will do pretty ok and a few will be disapointed.

Its real hard keeping you lot happy ;)

[chinkgai]

Then why is there a company that does that and is successful? Explain that.


jjcom and bigtoe's responses should answer your questions, right? its all about yields and i dont think you understand that ocz knows the yields far better than you or i. obviously tccd yields are better than these winbond chips or pc4400 would already be sold by ocz.

just remember....we're overclockers...and buying them at a certain speed rather than overclocking the heck out of them should be "our game" rather than it being handed to us on a silver platter by cost intensive speed binning


yes i would love to have some pc4400vx guaranteed too :banana:

[iddqd]

jjcom and bigtoe's responses should answer your questions, right? its all about yields and i dont think you understand that ocz knows the yields far better than you or i. obviously tccd yields are better than these winbond chips or pc4400 would already be sold by ocz.

just remember....we're overclockers...and buying them at a certain speed rather than overclocking the heck out of them should be "our game" rather than it being handed to us on a silver platter by cost intensive speed binning


yes i would love to have some pc4400vx guaranteed too :banana:
They don't know yeilds in a particular week until they get the shipment. If anybody know anything about yeilds, it's Winbond. Besides, not too much CH-5 will do 275.
If we were to test each indevidual IC, then build modules with these IC's we could in theory make PC4400 2-2-2, issue is it would cost huge amounts and i bet we would only ever see 1 or 2 kits sold.

We have the BH IC's now, its called 3200gold BH and it responds well to burn in and does do 2-2-2 at a lower voltage than the VX, issue is we are not sure how high. As usual some will do real well, most will do pretty ok and a few will be disapointed.

Its real hard keeping you lot happy ;)
I'm pretty sure they can be machine-binned. Otherwise, how can G.Skill do so much binning? It would require a huge staff working around the clock to bin each chip for ... 8 different speeds? And, of course they wouldn't be able to sell pc4400le for mere $275.

[formyfaith]

They don't know yeilds in a particular week until they get the shipment. If anybody know anything about yeilds, it's Winbond. Besides, not too much CH-5 will do 275.

I'm pretty sure they can be machine-binned. Otherwise, how can G.Skill do so much binning? It would require a huge staff working around the clock to bin each chip for ... 8 different speeds? And, of course they wouldn't be able to sell pc4400le for mere $275.


Well there are different chances for a BH-5 to reach 265+(2-2-2)

and a TCCD module to reach 275+(2.5-3-3).

Personally I'd say, TCCD's chance to meet 275+ is way~~~

bigger than a BH-5 to reach 265+.

That's why G.Skill is able to bin their products,

and it's hard for OCZ to bin their BHs.

BTW I wonder if my previous thread regarding the VX PC4000 has

been ignored. lol

[chinkgai]

iddqd, if its as easy as you make it sound..."if they can do this, so can you!"...then people wouldnt have to go to school for business and management and all that other stuff and businesses wouldnt go out of business

[iddqd]

Well there are different chances for a BH-5 to reach 265+(2-2-2)

and a TCCD module to reach 275+(2.5-3-3).

Personally I'd say, TCCD's chance to meet 275+ is way~~~

bigger than a BH-5 to reach 265+.

That's why G.Skill is able to bin their products,

and it's hard for OCZ to bin their BHs.

BTW I wonder if my previous thread regarding the VX PC4000 has

been ignored. lol

The numbers I gave are just examples, I'm not a CEO or anything; they don't have to live with them. It's just an example set to convey the idea I had. Sheesh... I'm sure OCZ can decide what speeds to bin them much better than I can, since they actually have access to the chips. I'm just saying... and I'm just saying, that they should do more accurate binning, so people will know exactly what they're getting. ryanpgroovy(sorry if it wasn't you, I can't really remember) insists that it's only possible to machine-bin for 200MHz, and for anything over, you have to hand-test them... Well, I say it's possible to machine-bin for any frequency.

[chinkgai]

i just noticed in your sig that "degreelessness mode" is on

turn it off and get a degree...lol

[ryanpgroovy]

As far as machine binning , Its not that it cant be done over 200Mhz , its that we feel it was inaccurate over 200Mhz ( though now feel we can be accurate in the 266Mhz range)

also keep in mind if we start bining everything to tightly , we will see increased complaints ( typicaly from people with rigs that arent up to par) , and since we sell such a large quanity of memory and offer such a high level of service that could potentialy clog up our service system

It is a much better strategy to offer most of our product lineups with signifcant overhead , that way , even with the worst rig people will love the product, the problem being the higher the speed bin the less overhead we can offer

[cadaveca]

woah...you can machine bin @ 266, possibly? then you can at 233 reliably, most likely. that pretty darn encouraging.

[ryanpgroovy]

Yes and typicaly that means our lower end products end up cheaper and get faster ( than before):-)

[[XC] Jaco]

"3200 gold BH-5 does 2-2-2 at lower voltage than VX"

these sticks will surely not disapoint :toast:

[chinkgai]

"3200 gold BH-5 does 2-2-2 at lower voltage than VX"

these sticks will surely not disapoint :toast:

somewhere in this thread it states that the bh5 wont outrun the vx

i'd rather have better top speed than lower volts at lower speed, esp since vx is warranted up to 3.5v for life anyways :banana:

i guess this would be good for people that dont have the voltage supply

[Waxman]

I'm using OCZ memory kits since last year.

They perform like hell on my systems giving me tight timings and high frequencies :D

I've had a pc 3200 plat LE (bh6) dual channel kit 2x256 that did 245@3.4v and currently I own a dual channel kit 2x256 pc3500 plat LE (bh5) that benches @ 270 2-2-2-5 with 3.5v on my DFI SLI-DR and a pc3200 VX dual channel kit that benches @ 272 mhz with 3.7v :slobber:

So yeah, OCZ RULES :banana: :banana: :banana:

[ryanpgroovy]

thanks waxman

[iddqd]

As far as machine binning , Its not that it cant be done over 200Mhz , its that we feel it was inaccurate over 200Mhz ( though now feel we can be accurate in the 266Mhz range)

also keep in mind if we start bining everything to tightly , we will see increased complaints ( typicaly from people with rigs that arent up to par) , and since we sell such a large quanity of memory and offer such a high level of service that could potentialy clog up our service system

It is a much better strategy to offer most of our product lineups with signifcant overhead , that way , even with the worst rig people will love the product, the problem being the higher the speed bin the less overhead we can offer
Well, I suppose that's why G.Skill started using letter designation codes in the first place. But then it kinda ran away to pc4800... :Dhaha. So you could sell the product as pc3200A, pc3200B and people with NF7-S, or a bad memory controller on their Winchester won't have any excuse to RMA, because the product is only "rated" for pc3200 anyway. But the , say pc3200B version is actually binned at 233MHz, and costs $20 more.

[andyOCZ]

Then why is there a company that does that and is successful? Explain that.

If you are referring to TCCD memory, this product iis much more predictable and easier to speed bin. It also is much more forgiving in so far as speeds (IE: it typically doesn't run totally stable at 252 and fail all tests at 253mhz like some UTT does).

The point is that with UTT you can have a stick that fails at 1mhz over test spec and another that does 15mhz over. So I suppose we could test PC4200 speeds and sell the VX as PC4200 for a stiff premium in price (and extremely limited quantities), but some would be dissapointed that it "only" does 266mhz.

I suppose we could start selling LED fans instead of memory, but I am sure even then some would be dissapointed that the fan only does 2702 RPM when it's speced at 2700. ;)

[SAE]

I suppose we could start selling LED fans instead of memory, but I am sure even then some would be dissapointed that the fan only does 2702 RPM when it's speced at 2700. ;)

That's a good one... :lol: :rotf:

[Waxman]

thanks waxman


Anytime bud :thumbsup:

[redgoo]

OCZ guys,

Out of curiosity, what percentage of RMAs turn out to be good? Meaning, the product was good, but the user thought it was bad.

[gundamit]

thanks waxman
Anytime bud :thumbsup:
:kissbutt:

Just kidding. OCZ get 5 times as much :slapass: even though they have great memory PSUs and customers service.

[iddqd]

I suppose we could start selling LED fans instead of memory, but I am sure even then some would be dissapointed that the fan only does 2702 RPM when it's speced at 2700. ;)
Could this be true?! :eek: *runs off to test the RPM on the OCZ PowerStream LED fan*

[andyOCZ]

Could this be true?! :eek: *runs off to test the RPM on the OCZ PowerStream LED fan*

LMAO!

[andyOCZ]

OCZ guys,

Out of curiosity, what percentage of RMAs turn out to be good? Meaning, the product was good, but the user thought it was bad.

Something like 90% of all RMA's work fine and meet spec. Once they have been returned they can't be sold as new.

Many RMA's are guys fishing for RAM that overclocks better than their buddies does. This doesn't always work out as they plan.

[sandybeach]

I sold a set of ram "UTT" that in my dfi with bios 3-10p did at 3.2v "3.24 real" 240mhz@2-2-2-5. Now this guy was tring to get the sticks to work on a dfi nf3 with supposly vmods "done right he said i guess" and was tring 200mhz@2-2-2-5 with each stick thinking ok 1 stick can do 240mhz@3.2v it should do 200mhz@3v, but it wasn't happening. After a few days he was mad and thought I sold him 1 bad stick so he ships me them both back to test. Off they go into the dfi lowest timings possible at 3.24v at 240mhz and pass everything with fling colors..

So guys with UTT there might be a sweet spot bios/voltage/timings ya have to work with this ram to get it working on some setups, but just becasue it errors on one doesn't means its totaly defective. :)

PS:And before you say "well It shouldn't be like that" remember TCCD is just as bad, lol

[sauria]

What about OCZ PC-3200 VX Gold? What chips -- I like mine but they seem to require high VDIMM run tight timings.

[enzoR]

they are UTT, and yes they are designed to run at high voltage

[sandybeach]

all UTT needs high voltage.
IMO anything less than 3.2v for VX is not good as it needs 3.2v+ to perfom to par :)

[sauria]

Thanks, maybe the 3200 Gold is better if you can't run high VDMIMM?

[ryanpgroovy]

Sandybeach ,

We get a lot of that , in fact about 80-90% of returned memory does just fine on our testbeds

VX = Extreme voltage :-)

[sauria]

Thanks, made for the booster or DFi boards!?

[isp]

Thanks, made for the booster or DFi boards!?
Either :)...although they are said to be "A64 optimized" I don't know what exactly that means...

[babyelf]

means it works better on A64?? LOL

[jjcom]

yeah, its going to work the best on an Athlon 64 platform. :)

jjcom

[El Snorro]

Sandybeach ,

We get a lot of that , in fact about 80-90% of returned memory does just fine on our testbeds

VX = Extreme voltage :-)

Thats right :)
4,3v was no problem @277mhz 2-2-2-5 DC :banana:

[enzoR]

normally above 3.7v there are no more gains

[El Snorro]

normally above 3.7v there are no more gains

True, normally yes.
But i had had still gains for ~3,9v.
So I gues VX is not normal memory ;)

[enzoR]

no uve got some special sticks then. All VX i have seen didnt produce any gains above 3.7ish v's. Most even started erroring out.

[JNav89GT]

Something like 90% of all RMA's work fine and meet spec.