Ram frequency record --> 400 1:1?

[cpulloverclock]

made by Tanuki

TCCD?

3.3v

http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/KIROKU-GAZOU/Mem-400.png

3.4v
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/KIROKU-GAZOU/Mem-400-4.png

http://cgi1.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/cbbs.cgi?mode=one&namber=15410&type=0&space=0

http://cgi1.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/cbbs.cgi?mode=one&namber=15411&type=15410&space=15

[enzoR]

:slobber: :toast:

[komer]

wow :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

[TommyLee]

:toast: Nice!!

[isp]

Most impressive, ddr800... :toast:

[The Byter]

:slobber:

[cpulloverclock]

little precision and remember :D

it's not me as specified on the 1st post

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D Hey, never saw a better one :slobber: - only SC but impressive.

Sandra membench would be interesting - because extremly high HTT 1:1 but scaring numbers at Trc, Trfc and Max Async Latency...........

:toast:

[cpulloverclock]

mail sent to Tanuki, I ask to him to come here :D

[xcobra]

Wow!!!! :slobber: I wanna see some benchies... :toast:

[bachus_anonym]

Sorry to say that, but I think I'm the one that is not impressed by that :(

I don't want to sound like flaming, but this is just cosmetic achievement to me. Totally useless if only for screenie like that. Even Sandra will not make it better... Besides, maybe it's highest clocks but surely not best performing clocks...

Sorry... :(

[cpulloverclock]

Sorry to say that, but I think I'm the one that is not impressed by that :(

I don't want to sound like flaming, but this is just cosmetic achievement to me. Totally useless if only for screenie like that. Even Sandra will not make it better... Besides, maybe it's highest clocks but surely not best performing clocks...

Sorry... :(
sure but it's always a WR
400 SC with very bad timings ok but 400, 1st guy to break this wall

that deserves a thread, no?

[komer]

we will see some benchmarks hope so.....

[Bennah]

could be solid if he could get them cpu-z screenies verified... maybe best to use the latest version of cpu-z.... however I believe that he did it, but to just make sure the lastest cpu-z would do the trick ;)

:toast:

[bachus_anonym]

sure but it's always a WR
400 SC with very bad timings ok but 400, 1st guy to break this wall

that deserves a thread, no?
You know... I would really love the OC community to move forward and leave "suicide CPU or Mem clock" screenies behind. Same for "sprint benchmarks" like Spi 1M or Pifast, but I can live with those for now :) Those are couple of the WR categories that just don't really impress me. Sandra Mem Bandwidth should be only used as a "side" benchmark only...
SPi 16M and 32M or 3D benches will have most of my attention from now on.

But that's just me dreaming of the perfect OC world :D

[cupra]

deam 400mhz 1:1 :slobber:


:YIPPIE:

[Bennah]

suicide screenies are good :D

thats what vr-zone's databaase is all about ;) eye candy :D

[Nanobot]

Incredible mem clock ! :slobber:

Could this be new Samsung TCCE ?

[kraggy]

Waiting for a Sandra benchie......................... :banana:

[Tony420]

Why is it that everything that is an "achievment" on XS has to do with highly UNSTABLE settings that are only good for a screen shot. I think the majority of people here probly cant even pass prime95...lol

[HiJon89]

I don't remember who it was but someone's sig said:

"If you can read this, you're not overclocked enough"

[nebuchanezzar]

You know... I would really love the OC community to move forward and leave "suicide CPU or Mem clock" screenies behind. Same for "sprint benchmarks" like Spi 1M or Pifast, but I can live with those for now :) Those are couple of the WR categories that just don't really impress me. Sandra Mem Bandwidth should be only used as a "side" benchmark only...
SPi 16M and 32M or 3D benches will have most of my attention from now on.

But that's just me dreaming of the perfect OC world :D

I'm with ya B, but I've also come to accept that here at XS the suicide is king. Congrats to Tanaki on showing 400 but ask him what he runs day to day. I have nothing against phase change, or chillers, etc. Some are run 24/7, heck I'ld love to get a vapochill or something for any of my rigs but even then I want my #s to be playable and surfable. Thats just me though, I will give kudos to you guys who push for suicides cuz I know it's not automatic but my sig says 11*240 cuz I run it whenever I boot up, I've made windows at 11*256 but my mouse&keyboard locks, sound dies, then rig locks...the #s look cool but to me are useless. Like I said thats just me and congrats to Tanaki, another water mark I wont hit for about 2 more years :D

[Bla$nA]

wow thats amazing :D

[metro.cl]

awsome, lets see a sandra bandwith screenie now

[JuanFlaiter]

awsome, lets see a sandra bandwith screenie now

This is almost for sure a suicide shot, dont wait for the Sandra/Everest screenies.

Greets!

[jjcom]

Congrats, Very nice overclock on the RAM :toast:

jjcom

[SLaY3r07]

:slobber: w0w, thats insane :slobber:

[kraggy]

This is almost for sure a suicide shot, dont wait for the Sandra/Everest screenies.

Greets!

Exactly...proly can't complete one.

[M3taC0rT3X]

VGJ Tanuki, ddr800 :stick:



"If you can read this, you're not overclocked enough"


lo0l ! nice quote ^_^

[cheece2001]

omg thats some crazy stuff... i am so amazed . :) I wonder when we will be able to get our hands on stuff like this.

[ryanpgroovy]

Single channel ? 3-5-5 ?

how about 772 dual channel 3-4-4
http://www.ocztechnology.com/i/hof/b/762cpuz1.jpg


Just kidding .. Good job :banana:

[Skip]

everest is much easier on the components than sandra from my experience. ought to have better luck with sandra. get an fx-55 at 3.5ghz, and you got the bandwidth record locked up i think.

[iddqd]

I wonder what the static latency would be?

[Skip]

hmm... probably like 30! 320HTT 2.5-4-3-7 gives me like 35 i think.

[Revv23]

I don't remember who it was but someone's sig said:

"If you can read this, you're not overclocked enough"


thats Hipro5... :toast:

wherever hes at. crazy clocks though.

[Enz0]

The RAM he used should be this.
A-DATA Vitesta DDR600 256MB Samsung TCCD
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Bay/8386/ADATA-600/ADATA-600.htm
I suspected this from what he said.

[Gogeta]

Impressive, although as ryan has already posted...we've seen screens pretty close to this ddr speed already. Grats on breaking 400 though!

[krille]

Now where's that DDR2 800? WTG man! :toast:

[enzoR]

I don't remember who it was but someone's sig said:

"If you can read this, you're not overclocked enough"

Hipro5 :bows: :bows: :bows:

[blinky]

i always wonder what hipro meant... and i think he meant ur system should always be so unstable that u cant browse XS.... but im not sure... anyone know?

[cpulloverclock]

an improvement

http://cgi1.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/cbbs.cgi?mode=one&namber=15413&type=15410&space=45

Memory:A-DATA Vitesta DDR600 256MB(S/N:503XR)
DimmPosition:2
M/B: DFI LANPARTY UT nF4 Ultra-D(BIOS: Default)
CPU:Athlon64 3000+(BI)CBBHD 0448WPMW
CPU Cooler:PAL8150+Delta 8cm 1.35A
P/S:OCZ Power Stream 520W
VGA:ATI XPERT 98 PCI 8MB
HDD:Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 120MB(ST3120026A)
Vcore:1.4Vx123%(CPU-Z:1.664V)
Vio:3.35V Vddr:3.4V Vldt：1.5V Vchip：1.8V
R/T:19℃
OS:Windows2003Server

tanuki


http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/KIROKU-GAZOU/Mem-410.png

[kromosto]

this amazing 410 mhz on ddr1 and also htt 1:1 :slobber:

[zamree7]

how about sandra memory benchmark? plzz show us the amazing result...

[c7775]

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=7928


verified

[iboomalot]

might disable the 2T

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27092

[kiwi]

Yep, that is 2T and low timings. I don't think that sandra and 3d benchmarks would be much better than those with lower HTT (>300), 1T and better timings. Waiting your benchmarks.

[Revv23]

still impressive...

too bad it wont perform that well even if it is stable :(

[isp]

i always wonder what hipro meant... and i think he meant ur system should always be so unstable that u cant browse XS.... but im not sure... anyone know?
I thought he meant like screen artifacts...
I believe it was in font color yellow though, wonder if yellow was chosen for any specific reason

[[XC] Jaco]

300Mhz 2,5-3-3-5 1T must be faster than 400Mhz 3-5-5-9 2T

still very cool :)

[smurfmods]

Hard to believe! Amazing it can go that high. My chips can't touch that.

Congrats.

[iddqd]

Now where's that DDR2 800? WTG man! :toast:
That should be easy. Since DDR2 is internally quad-pumped, all you have to do is get it running at 200MHz, which is stock for regular DDR.

[Kunaak]

You know... I would really love the OC community to move forward and leave "suicide CPU or Mem clock" screenies behind.

Theres a reason this place is called Xtreme Systems, and not Average Systems. Org...

if you don't like seeing a system taken to it's absolute edge, I am sure theres plenty of other forums out there for you, here, everything is about pushing it to the absolute limits.

as for this 400 at 1:1 screen shot.... damn :toast:

[bachus_anonym]

Theres a reason this place is called Xtreme Systems, and not Average Systems. Org...

if you don't like seeing a system taken to it's absolute edge, I am sure theres plenty of other forums out there for you, here, everything is about pushing it to the absolute limits.
Take it easy, Rambo... :stick:

If you call that a "performance limit" then I'll retire from OC today :p:

EDIT: I'm really dissapointed with you, Kunaak :( Seriously. I wasn't expecting comment like that from you :(
EDIT again: Honestly, I don't even think that what you just said is proper behaviour exhibited by Moderator...

[madgamer]

I dont really see anything wrong with what kunaak said myself. As for the 400+ 1:1... even at 2T this is pretty sick. I'd be curious to see a sandra run though, if it's doable.

[iddqd]

Yeah... suicide shots are teh suck. It shouldn't really count as any kind of record unless it's stable enough to bench.

[Kunaak]

Bachus... your too sensitive man.
I've said this same comment a dozen times before, cause I always hear people saying "if it's not stable I don't care, why post that here... blah blah blah".
I just sometimes wonder if people remember where they are at. LN2 is the name of the game around here, WR's are broke here every week, the craziest of the crazy congregate here to find other loonies like them willing to kill a thousand dollars worth of stuff, for a shot at something great...
macci had the best explanation of it, something like "you win races in sprints not crawls"

some people just don't understand why anyone would want to overclock... they always say "if I can get 50 frames per second in doom 3, why bother trying to get 60, if I have to go through the touble of overclocking"

others say "50 FPS is nice, but I want more".

some OC cause it's there to do.
others wonder why you would ever bother.
it's kinda like how a kid tricks out a car to get 10 more HP out of it, while a mom thinks "who cares, I can't pack anymore groceries in it" hahah....

it's something like that ;)
if you take what I say as bad, then I am sorry, but thats not how it's intended.
it's just... you are at XS :D what do you expect around here?

[iddqd]

Well, he isn't going to break the record for any kind of performance, because it simply doesn't perform! And clock frequency is MEANINGLESS, unless it would translate into better benchmarks. Take some guy for example, last week got the WR for something 500HTT on an AMD64 rig. Stable. I don't think anybody even remembers by now.

To complete your little "win races by sprints, not crawls" analogy, this means that your speed is 90km/h (insane, right?). But you can't win the 100m sprint, because you can only maintain that speed for 5m. Congratulations, nobody cares.

Overclocking is a different story. Personally, I do it for fun. Or maybe for the sake of overclocking. Since 50FPS is already redundant (I usually cap my games at 36FPS, to minimize packet loss) But there are other ways to exploit the extra performance. You could try to get better and better quality (scale resolution, AF and AA filtering). But overclocking so far that it's only stable for 30 seconds after you boot into Windows is once again, stupid. You get 0FPS. Why? Because you can't even start Doom3. Or 2.

[bachus_anonym]

@Kunaak,

Suicide screenies are like... showing everyone how great your ride looks but at the same time, having to admit that it either doesn't run or it's performance is questionable! What's the point, I ask? I would rather have slightly less pimped out ride but running and capable!

Those kind of records are very easy to question, really. Because after dust settles down folks will demand benchmarks. And if there are no benchmarks to show or they are, but results ar far from great, then I would rather not show it...

I just hope that we will see more results to be proud of. This one doesn't make me feel like it.

EDIT: Look at this perfect example how crappy timmings kill performance despite higher Mem and CPU clocks ... (no offense to MR.Icee intended. He said his RAM is incapable of tighter latencies)

Mr.Icee's SuperPI 16M @ 360x7=2520MHz DDR720 8-5-6-2.5-1T

http://www.xtremeresources.com/images/news/mricee/3601to116MPiFast3.JPG

My SuperPI 16M @ 345x7=2415MHz DDR690 7-3-4-2.5-1T

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26127&stc=1 (http://www.clockmehigh.com/xtreme/DFI/345x7_SPi16M_NICE.png)

Do you see my point now?

[IvanAndreevich]

iddqd
If you don't care they why are you posting in the thread and reading this? :shrug: Why don't you move on and enjoy your life outside the thread instead of annoying those who care and are reading and posting in this totally useless thread :idea:


That's real nice result. Puts things into perspective a bit :slobber:

[iddqd]

iddqd
If you don't care they why are you posting in the thread and reading this? :shrug: Why don't you move on and enjoy your life outside the thread instead of annoying those who care and are reading and posting in this totally useless thread :idea:


That's real nice result. Puts things into perspective a bit :slobber:
А это уже моё дело. ;)

[enzoR]

iddqd
If you don't care they why are you posting in the thread and reading this? :shrug: Why don't you move on and enjoy your life outside the thread instead of annoying those who care and are reading and posting in this totally useless thread :idea:


That's real nice result. Puts things into perspective a bit :slobber:

:toast:

[Firefoxx]

А это уже моё дело. ;)

This really shows your low level, sorry mate, don't you think it's not right to call the guys here something in your own language, nobody understands. Myself doesn't understand it, this is why englisch is the language here.

[iddqd]

People here do it all the time.

[c7775]

Take it easy, Rambo... :stick:

If you call that a "performance limit" then I'll retire from OC today :p:

EDIT: I'm really dissapointed with you, Kunaak :( Seriously. I wasn't expecting comment like that from you :(
EDIT again: Honestly, I don't even think that what you just said is proper behaviour exhibited by Moderator...


could you possibly be more of an ass ?

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:slobber: Hey - what's goin' on here, civil war ?

Am I new to the show titeled "How do I feel pissed by my interactive mate" ??? :confused:

:toast:

[Nubius]

Why does the HTT say 400 and the RAM frequency says 400MHz in CPU-Z yet, the FSB:DRAM ratio isn't showing 1:1?

[Crankster]

There is definately something strange going on here.
I agree with Bachus, records are broken here. Records of performance, the ORB and superPI for example.
A screenie is just that, a screenie. It's fun to look at but when the dust settles you want to see some action, not bling bling.
Iddqd, i think you deserve a warning for that. It's not my job to decide though. Insulting someone who doesn't speak you language in your language. It doesn't matter if it meant "I love you too". Since he doesn't understand it he will percive it as an insult.
Vodoo i don't think he was, care to elaborate?

[Kunaak]

I guess you and I are just gonna have to agree to disagree.

I just say, people tend to do screen shots of insane things, cause some of us realize how hard it really is to do.
if you think a shot like this isn't amazing... try doing it yourself.
when you realize how hard it is to achieve something, it's alot easier to give someone alittle respect for trying so damn hard to do something as simple as a screen shot of something... even when unstable. ;)

[cpulloverclock]

title edited by the news

there are 2 sorts of records

Xtremes suicidal screenies
xtremes suicidal benches

[Gautam]

410MHz 1:1 is an incredible achievement, no matter how you frame it. As for suicide overclocks, if you can't respect them, at least respect the overclocker. You think those 3.8GHz and 7GHz+ cascade runs are "meaningless"? Maybe you do, but that's just your opinion. The point is is that runs like those, even if only stable for a couple of minutes at a time took thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours at least to put together. You think a <25 sec LN2 superpi run comes easy just cause its not stable for the rest of your lifetime? Guess what, it doesn't. Sometimes the least stable overclocks are the hardest ones to achieve. What I always keep in the back of my mind when I see an overclock is not its stability, not its performance, but effort that was put it in to get it. Calling such overclocks pointless is being completely disrespectful to the overclockers that achieved them and all of the effort they put in to back it.

[iddqd]

Iddqd, i think you deserve a warning for that. It's not my job to decide though. Insulting someone who doesn't speak you language in your language. It doesn't matter if it meant "I love you too". Since he doesn't understand it he will percive it as an insult.
Vodoo i don't think he was, care to elaborate?
Edited for clarification. Was intended for one person only.
I guess you and I are just gonna have to agree to disagree.

I just say, people tend to do screen shots of insane things, cause some of us realize how hard it really is to do.
if you think a shot like this isn't amazing... try doing it yourself.
when you realize how hard it is to achieve something, it's alot easier to give someone alittle respect for trying so damn hard to do something as simple as a screen shot of something... even when unstable. ;)
Well, I suppose - to each his own.
410MHz 1:1 is an incredible achievement, no matter how you frame it. As for suicide overclocks, if you can't respect them, at least respect the overclocker. You think those 3.8GHz and 7GHz+ cascade runs are "meaningless"? Maybe you do, but that's just your opinion. The point is is that runs like those, even if only stable for a couple of minutes at a time took thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours at least to put together. You think a <25 sec LN2 superpi run comes easy just cause its not stable for the rest of your lifetime? Guess what, it doesn't. Sometimes the least stable overclocks are the hardest ones to achieve. What I always keep in the back of my mind when I see an overclock is not its stability, not its performance, but effort that was put it in to get it. Calling such overclocks pointless is being completely disrespectful to the overclockers that achieved them and all of the effort they put in to back it.
So... If I were to set my memory clock to 400MHz 2-2-2, and it's stable for 1/400000000 of a second, that would still count as a WR? It is stable for some period of time, however small.. I have nothing against suicide benchmarks; since they do measure performance. But suicide screens just give you numbers, which don't really mean anything. Is a 7.2Ghz Prescott faster than a 4.1Ghz FX-55? We'll never know, because neither of them are stable enough to do anything.

[Gautam]

You're being a bit ridiculous now. And my main point is not how stable or unstable the overclock is. My point is that you're entitled to your opinion, but if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Sometimes it is just the thought that counts, and the effort that it took to achieve it.

e.g. I'm guessing that that 200 1.5-1-1 performs a tad worse than 250 2-2-2, but it's still impressive, isn't it?

[bachus_anonym]

Ok, ok, ok....

Just sometimes things make me laugh when I see records broken...

Like recently given advice by someone to someone (it doesn't matter)... It went sth like this: "If your OC is so unstable that taking a CPU-Z screenie with PrintScreen option, opening Paint and saving it may be too dangerous (read: causing crash) use "CPU-Z F5 trick". Is that how breaking records was meant to be done ??? Gimme a break, will ya :rolleyes:

It looks like it all comes down to what do you personally feel proud of... I don't think you will ever see me posting suicidal screenies. I just feel I can do a lot better than that... Just not worth it to me to participate in OC Olimpics' discipline called "SUICIDE SCREEN" ;)

[iddqd]

You're being a bit ridiculous now. And my main point is not how stable or unstable the overclock is. My point is that you're entitled to your opinion, but if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. Sometimes it is just the thought that counts, and the effort that it took to achieve it.

e.g. I'm guessing that that 200 1.5-1-1 performs a tad worse than 250 2-2-2, but it's still impressive, isn't it?
About the same.

As for the former, I'd be much more impressed if he beat the highest stable memry clock WR, rather than highest unstable one.

[SLaY3r07]

Why does the HTT say 400 and the RAM frequency says 400MHz in CPU-Z yet, the FSB:DRAM ratio isn't showing 1:1?

CPU/7 means that 7 is the multiplier.

[Gautam]

I say that if such an overclock was done using a cascade that took weeks to be built, and hours to be set up, for example, then sure, its how overclocking was meant to be done. If someone puts in their all to achieve something, then they should be commended for that, that's all I'm saying.

[blinky]

I can see both bachus_anonym and Kunaak's side of the argument, and i think that these suicidal screenies can be posted, but a lot of OCers wont find it anything spectacular unless its bench stable

personally i dont really see something as a feat unless its pifast or superpi stable (1m and above), and/or 3dmark stable. but i think other people do find suicide screenies wonderous and so you should let each man decide what carries validity for himself, and let the people decide whats interesting and whats not.

[kiwi]

:D

still waiting some benches

:D

[iddqd]

:D

still waiting some benches

:D
:confused:

[IvanAndreevich]

Firefoxx
Take it easy, man. I understand just fine.

[jjcom]

I can see what you both mean, but still. Alright, say the mhz can't run 24/7 stable or even run a bench. He still hit 400mhz. Thats something to :toast: to. Its still a great result. Do I run Prime95 to test if I'm stable? no not really, if I can game and run D2OL its good enough for 24/7 clocks. Its all a matter of opinion of if an overclock is great or meaningless. I may look at something as great, you may look at it likes it bad.

jjcom

[isp]

It's just nice to see what's the most mhz we can squeeze out of the hardware.
IMO you gotta figure that out first, then worry about getting it stable.

[EMC2]

Both types of accomplishments have their place IMO :)

Let's use some other examples where maybe views aren't so polarized...

Is a 100m world record holder's accomplish any less because he can't maintain it for a mile?
Is a marathon runner's world record any greater because it was over a long distance?

or flip it around:

Is the 100m record greater because it was extremely fast?
Is the marathon record less because it was done at a fairly slower speed?

How long is long enough in regards to time vs speed? What's the determining factor? Someones opinion?? Who's opinion???

Take race cars...

Is the sub 4s drag racer's record worthless because the engine would blow if run for a mile at that speed?

If you think so, then is a stock car racer's speed the cat's meow because it was over a 4 hour period?

Or are only 24 hours of Lemans records the ones that mean anything?

Or maybe you have to be able to run it 24/7 for weeks on end?

Why is one time period any better than another in regards to records, why is one any more or less an accomplishment than the other?

Or in the case being discussed... why is the ability to boot into windows and grab a screenie any less of an accomplishment than being able to run pi1M or pi32M more so than pi1M? Are those accomplishments meaningless too if the settings can't be run 24/7 doing anything you can throw at it???

Or how about this thought... is a XXX Mhz OC more significant than an XXX+ZZZ because it was done with air cooling and the other took a prommie to be "stable"? What about a mem OC done with a winnie vs an FX?? Is the FX record less of an accomplishment because it took an FX to do it?

Just because you don't understand one side or the other, don't denegrade what someone else is able to do. If something isn't significant to you, fine, no problem :) But that doesn't mean it isn't to someone else, doesn't mean it isn't an accomplishment, and it sure as heck isn't a just reason to say as an absolute that it is "worthless" or "meaningless"...

If you don't like drag races, don't watch them. If you don't like the 24 hours of Lemans flip the channel. But don't put them down or attempt to lessen their significance.

*gets down off soapbox*

Oh, one other thing... useful information can be gleaned from even suicide BIOS shots. For example, there's useful info in those 400+ Mhz screenies that can be applied to your flavor of OC'ing, whatever it is, if you just open your mind and take the time to look ;)

:toast:

[TekXoID]

2T and horrid timings, but hey its still way up there, and sync at that. :slobber:

[bachus_anonym]

@EMC2

But you see... I just don't get the point of that accomplishment...
This example could be titled: "A Guide To Make Your PC Slowest Machine On Earth"

Ingredients:

1. One stick of 256MB - meaning single channel
2. Command Clock 2T - everybody knows what it means on A64
3. CAS3 -even though it makes little difference comparing to 2.5, but still
3. 9-5-5 - some of slowest timmings you can get

And on top of that - not even single bench - not even Sandra :(

Is that REALLY worth the effort ???

If he used both sticks, and run them @ 311x9 7-3-3-2.5 instead (possible to bench with some TCCD but hard to stabilize further), he would have outperformed himself @ that 400... But yeah, I forgot... No cool looking "record" then :rolleyes:

EDIT: I really don't mean to bash him personally. I just don't think that this is a great accomplishment. I would love to invite him to do some serious benching as he probably got hold of some memory that has pretty good potential. This screenshot just puts those sticks in not the greatest light at the moment. I might change my point of view if benches surface. It would be a lot better to see tighter timmings, though ;)

[iddqd]

Both types of accomplishments have their place IMO :)

Let's use some other examples where maybe views aren't so polarized...

Is a 100m world record holder's accomplish any less because he can't maintain it for a mile?
Is a marathon runner's world record any greater because it was over a long distance?

or flip it around:

Is the 100m record greater because it was extremely fast?
Is the marathon record less because it was done at a fairly slower speed?

How long is long enough in regards to time vs speed? What's the determining factor? Someones opinion?? Who's opinion???

Take race cars...

Is the sub 4s drag racer's record worthless because the engine would blow if run for a mile at that speed?

If you think so, then is a stock car racer's speed the cat's meow because it was over a 4 hour period?

Or are only 24 hours of Lemans records the ones that mean anything?

Or maybe you have to be able to run it 24/7 for weeks on end?

Why is one time period any better than another in regards to records, why is one any more or less an accomplishment than the other?

Or in the case being discussed... why is the ability to boot into windows and grab a screenie any less of an accomplishment than being able to run pi1M or pi32M more so than pi1M? Are those accomplishments meaningless too if the settings can't be run 24/7 doing anything you can throw at it???

Or how about this thought... is a XXX Mhz OC more significant than an XXX+ZZZ because it was done with air cooling and the other took a prommie to be "stable"? What about a mem OC done with a winnie vs an FX?? Is the FX record less of an accomplishment because it took an FX to do it?

Just because you don't understand one side or the other, don't denegrade what someone else is able to do. If something isn't significant to you, fine, no problem :) But that doesn't mean it isn't to someone else, doesn't mean it isn't an accomplishment, and it sure as heck isn't a just reason to say as an absolute that it is "worthless" or "meaningless"...

If you don't like drag races, don't watch them. If you don't like the 24 hours of Lemans flip the channel. But don't put them down or attempt to lessen their significance.

*gets down off soapbox*

Oh, one other thing... useful information can be gleaned from even suicide BIOS shots. For example, there's useful info in those 400+ Mhz screenies that can be applied to your flavor of OC'ing, whatever it is, if you just open your mind and take the time to look ;)

:toast:

The 100m sprint vs a marathon run would be comparing an LN2 suicide Pi vs a 24H Prime stable system. But suicide shots are akin to dropping dead after taking two steps. Because the guy who fired the gun to start off the race aimed it at your ribs.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D In my opinion it's kinda sensless discussion here.

Get two people at one table - one from INTEL and the other from AMD - and ask what brand performes better, think You all know what will happen.

So I agree with Kunaak, we are XS here and why don't post an extreme screenie as long as someone's honest and tell us that it is just a screenie ?

But I can see also bachus' point, problem is here the old and always discussed one: What is stable ?

Bachus sees a stable system when it's doing SuperPi 32M errorfree AFAIK.

But take a look at OPP - he told us about himself he never uses memtest or SuperPi - for him a system is stable when all games are running, machine is workin' fine 24/7 and the benches can be done.

So all is depending on the point of view - what if someone's opinion is that stable means running prime 24/7 for 1 year ?

:toast:

[bachus_anonym]

Alright... This might be my last post in this thread :)

Everybody knows what stable is. Some people just refuse to aknowledge that within OC community there are just certain levels of stability that different people are after. It depends whether you're going after records or 24/7 full server-like stability:

1. only CPU-Z screenshot stable - least glory (in certain situations it might indicate e.g. CPU's potential going from suicide screenie on air to full set of benches on phase change)

2. Sandra stable - some glory, although not too much either

3. SPi 1M and Pifast 10M stable - good start ( Pifast 10M is even better ;) ). Many participate in this because: it doesn't require too much stability (not talking about super xtreme speeds here), it takes less than 30-40s to complete, even PCI vc will do :)

4. SuperPi 16M stable - this usually means that you can do 3D benches, too.

5. 3D stable - Great accomplishment as far as benchmarking goes.

6. SuperPi 32M stable - Tells that your setup is semi-stable for 24/7 usage

7. Prime95, Memtest for Windows stable - Ultimate stability. Benchmarkers don't care as mostly they have back-up rig anyways. I know I do ;)

So... Where are any benches at DDR800 for us to compare ??? I'll be subscribing to this thread, waiting for more :)

BA

[STEvil]

So, building a dragster that runs down a 1/4 mile stretch at 330+ miles per hour and around 4 seconds is a waste as well?

"Suicide screens" are an achievement just like any other, and if you chose to hold a different opinion then at least have the decency to respectful of the persons achievement.

Now drop it guys.

[bachus_anonym]

So, building a dragster that runs down a 1/4 mile stretch at 330+ miles per hour and around 4 seconds is a waste as well?
THAT particular dragster doesn't run at all as far as I can see... And I can assure you, it WILL NOT do 4s when it finally starts :)

[iddqd]

:D In my opinion it's kinda sensless discussion here.

Get to people at one table - one from INTEL and the other from AMD - and ask what brand performes better, think You all know what will happen.

So I agree with Kunaak, we are XS here and why don't post an extreme screenie as long as someone's honest and tell us that it is just a screenie ?

But I can see also bachus' point, problem is here the old and always discussed one: What is stable ?

Bachus sees a stable system when it's doing SuperPi 32M errorfree AFAIK.

But take a look at OPP - he told us about himself he never uses memtest or SuperPi - for him a system is stable when all games are running, machine is workin' fine 24/7 and the benches can be done.

So all is depending on the point of view - what if someone's opinion is that stable means running prime 24/7 for 1 year ?

:toast:

That's a very good point. We have to introduce some rules and regulations.

[EMC2]

--- Bachus ---

To some, just getting up and making it across the room without help is an accomplishment bro. Sometimes it's about perspective :)

Regarding the title of the thread... look at it closely... "Ram frequency record --> 400 1:1?". It wasn't "I invented the greatest thing since sliced bread"... it was a Q if something that was done might be a first.

The point of doing something??? Haven't you ever done something just to see if you could, to test yourself, your abilities, in some endeavor? To see how far you could push yourself or your equip? Sometimes the point is simply...to do what nobody else has done before... and sometime it's just to do it. Sometimes it isn't even the end result, it's the journey :)

Regarding is it worth the effort? Maybe, but only he can judge that, it was his effort. Did it bring a sense of accomplishment when he saw that 400M in CPU-Z? Perhaps. Was he able to push his equip to a point further than he thought he could? Maybe. Did he learn something during the journey that could help later to do something different or better? Likely. Was there that adrenaline rush when he grabbed that screenie? Possibly. Could it be used as a stepping stone to other things? Definitely.

It isn't always about "cool"... that's a perception misplaced :) Sometimes... it truely is just about doing... and a rose by any other name, is still a rose ;)

:toast:

[iddqd]

semantic nonsense.

[enzoR]

whats wrong with posting a screenshot. Nobody has broken the 400mhz barrier, this guy does it. He didnt even post the screenshot himself. Another guy did it for him. He isnt bragging about his screenshot. Its nothing serious, just a screenshot, maybe for fun. Nothing serious.

[bachus_anonym]

whats wrong with posting a screenshot. Nobody has broken the 400mhz barrier, this guy does it. He didnt even post the screenshot himself. Another guy did it for him. He isnt bragging about his screenshot. Its nothing serious, just a screenshot, maybe for fun. Nothing serious.
Maybe nobody has broken 400MHz before because we have some "better" records to go after...
Like, highest memory performance instead of frequency (AMD vs INTEL - anyone still remebers that???),
fastest SPi ( whatever calculation one chooses ) or better 3D score...

[STEvil]

THAT particular dragster doesn't run at all as far as I can see... And I can assure you, it WILL NOT do 4s when it finally starts :)

Have you never seen a top fuel dragster before, or "Funny Car" ? :stick:

[cpulloverclock]

A SS with DC by Tanuki
1T inside

double WR
http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/KIROKU-GAZOU/Dual-1T-387.png

[cpulloverclock]

just awesome, now some benches

I know that Tanuki and his friends read this thread ;)

[STEvil]

wow.. cant wait to see 'em :D

[craig588]

The people that don't like suicide shots are mad because they can't do them.

[cpulloverclock]

The people that don't like suicide shots are mad because they can't do them.
jealous?

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

The people that don't like suicide shots are mad because they can't do them.

:D Huhu - hard stuff here, hope bachus won't read this........ :p:

:toast:

[Rabbi_NZ]

Wise you are EMC2 :toast:

[EMC2]

Peace Rabbi_NZ :toast:

[[XC] moddolicous]

Wow, just read this whole thread, which was like 3 pages of arguing :rolleyes: . Great results cpulloverclock, and dont listen to what they say. Its an accomplishment none the less.

[iddqd]

Actually, people who do suicide shots do them because they can't do anythign else in the first place. Your logic is just flawed. :stick:

[googles]

Wise you are EMC2 :toast:

indeed... :toast:

[jjcom]

Actually, people who do suicide shots do them because they can't do anythign else in the first place. Your logic is just flawed. :stick:

Depends on the suicide shot, say its a suicide shot of a Winchester at 2.2ghz with RAM at 220mhz, yeah, thats not much. but if the Winchester is on air and doing 3.1ghz or something with RAM @ 370mhz or something, then it means more.

jjcom

[Krohling]

Its interesting it can achieve this high

But then, benchies would be nice to see and compare

[althes]

I hope he can at least run a few benches

[cpulloverclock]

1T and 3000+


http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/KIROKU-GAZOU/E-MR-8463.png

[blinky]

YAY benchies :)

[EMC2]

Nicely done, killer Mhz on those DIMMs :toast:

[[XC] Jaco]

yeah it's 2T and crummy timings , but it's still an achievement !

I don't care if it's not stable , or slow. That's not the point, here. He's just going for the max MHZ.

Personally , I like my overclocks rock stable (prime95 for 8hours at least)
I just cannot live with the idea my system might give errors/BSOD's.

[iddqd]

Bandwidth doesn't impress. Care to measure the latency?