Mushkin BLUE UTT looking good!

[charlie]

SO I picked up some Mushkin BLUE and ran it in my rig for my benching session tonight and pullef off the third leg of the 3D Trifecta for the X800XL!!!
At 2700 mHz I was running 183 divider which equaled 270mHz on the Mushkin, and worked well... ran clean and strong at 2-2-2 at 3.6v.
I cranked the CPU up to about 2770, but couldn't get the memory runing at 275, I'll have to try an extended burn-in...
SO I backed down to the 166 divider for my #1 3D Mark 2001 run...

This is great ram, especially considering the $62 price and the BP pcb....

C

[eva2000]

nice can you post superpi 1M and 32M and pifast times for comparison with what i get with BH-5 :)

thanks

[charlie]

I have to figure out how to convert bmp images in win2k MSPAINT to jpg/s...
usually I just copy them to a thumb drive and convert them on an xp machine, but have only 1 rig here now...

C

[eva2000]

I have to figure out how to convert bmp images in win2k MSPAINT to jpg/s...
usually I just copy them to a thumb drive and convert them on an xp machine, but have only 1 rig here now...

C
easy solution at http://i4memory.com/announcement.php?f=22&announcementid=2 works on win2k and winxp for me :)

[TEDY]

charlie. can you get me some and send to europe ? :D

[bachus_anonym]

What part number are those exactly? Do you have a linky for it?

Is that it? (http://www.mushkin.com/epages/Mushkin.storefront/423d5ec600820c1e2740c0a8010205e0/Product/View/991139)

[esdee]

give as some screenshots charlie, you know we love them! :D

[Dumo]

I have to figure out how to convert bmp images in win2k MSPAINT to jpg/s...
usually I just copy them to a thumb drive and convert them on an xp machine, but have only 1 rig here now...

CTry this...http://www.gadwin.com/

[saaya]

qtf? what memory is that? winbond utt?

[JNav89GT]

yeah winbond utt ;)
I can get 250-255 with mine. Charlie got quite a bit more out of his. Might be time for me to get some more lol.

[crotale]

charlie: Where did you get the RAM, and exactly which Blue is it?

[EnJoY]

It's the stuff at Outpost.

[charlie]

Yeah, at Fry's brick and mortar and Outpost...
Here's my 3D o/s with default card clocks, 9 x 300, 183 divider, 270mHz DDR540, 2-2-2-7-11-16 @ 3.6V.... For some reason at 3.7v I get BSOD :(
I have 80mm fan on DDR and a 40mm fan on 5V heatsink'ed mosfet.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26952

[charlie]

And some unoptimized superPi...internet connection enabled, audio, etc.. etc...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26953

[bias_hjorth]

Pretty good for value memory I´ll say :slobber:

[perry_78]

Now I don't quite get the price...

256mb is around the $60.

But once you get into the 512mb range your up on €130 - enough to make me think again. :confused:

[bachus_anonym]

Is this 990992 for single 512MB stick and 990140 for 2x512 kit ???

[charlie]

Is this 990992 for single 512MB stick and 990140 for 2x512 kit ???

yup, the CL2 "Blue" line stuff...

[setyotomo]

Now I don't quite get the price...

256mb is around the $60.

But once you get into the 512mb range your up on €130 - enough to make me think again. :confused:

i think its $60 for 512 sticks right? :D

[largon]

Unfair! Lowest price in Europe for 512MB is almost 80€!!! Do those have the lovely black PCB?

[largon]

Do those have the lovely black PCB?
No you silly, the PCB is blue (http://img163.exs.cx/img163/7660/mushkin32006bt.jpg).

[NiSMo]

No you silly, the PCB is blue (http://img163.exs.cx/img163/7660/mushkin32006bt.jpg).

lol, nice self correction there :p: ,

i mite have 2 pick up a pair of these for my new dfi ultra that i gettin this week...

[JNav89GT]

actually my blue line dimms have green pcb. In the past they have used blue, but I think in an effort to get these modules in our hands they used BP PCB which is green. Maybe we should start a petition to make them true blue ;)

[Silvestre]

hhehehe...ordered!!! if this is really that good, my ocz goldvx will be sold...hahahhaa...along with my G.Skill LA...
it's fun to try something new...this Mushkin and some Centon...interesting...

[Jeager]

Charlie, 270 is the max you can reach ?

[perkam]

Newegg linky to this amazing ram ???

Perkam

[charlie]

Charlie, 270 is the max you can reach ?

For now, yes... but they say UTT improves with burn-in, so we'll see :D

C

[isp]

You and JNav89GT both got some nice deals! That's some damn fine memory for the price.
Curious - Do the brick and mortars give you a hard time with returns?

[Dumo]

well, this with black pcb @3.1V...need to change psu for >3.2V...and burn in..

[JNav89GT]

I'm jealous, I want black pcb ;)

[JNav89GT]

also I recommend slow burn in, my 2nd set I think I pushed too hard too fast and ended up peaking lower than other set :(

[charlie]

well, this with black pcb @3.1V...need to change psu for >3.2V...and burn in..

sweeeett... mine didn't have black pcb :(
That looks awesome! And 240 @ 3.1v is great!

[TEDY]

charlie ....i get 240 at 3.0 with 1A4T but that aint UTT....

[mcnbns]

Does ALL Mushkin Blue use UTT? Some people say they don't but these results seem to offer a different view. Who should I believe?

[[XC] moddolicous]

Newegg linky to this amazing ram ???

Perkam
You have to buy directly from mushkin
http://www.mushkin.com/epages/Mushkin.storefront/41b11a7b01bb69142740c0a801020645/Product/View/990997
BTW, great results charlie. I might get some for my upcoming system. :cool:

[perkam]

So am I to understand this is the stuff:

http://www.mushkin.com/gif/990992.gif
http://www.mushkin.com/epages/Mushkin.storefront/423f2c1901dc8a102740c0a8010205e0/Product/View/991140

Perkam

[charlie]

Does ALL Mushkin Blue use UTT? Some people say they don't but these results seem to offer a different view. Who should I believe?

I think it's the NEWER stuff... that's UTT. Older stocks may have been something different.

C

[enzoR]

thats one of the best UTT's ive ever seen

[Dumo]

Another tests...

[enzoR]

give more v's! :D

[Dumo]

give more v's! :DZippy wont give it to ultra-d :(

[enzoR]

let me "test" the ram for you :D

[deception``]

I'm pretty much stuck between these sticks and the Twinmos UTT. Would anyone care to comment on which of the two would be better? Or do both sticks possess about the same headroom? For reference, I'm just looking for about 260 HTT 1:1.

deception``

[perkam]

The main diff between the two is that Twinmos sp WILL be utt whereas there is no guarantee that the blue line mushkin will be cos it might be one of the older sticks :rolleyes:

So I'd go with Twinmos, but one thing going for the Blue Line is that Twinmos sp 512mb kit is single channel whereas blue line cas 2 stuff 512mb kit is Dual channel (2x256mb). So its up to you, I'd ask charlie where he got it :D

Perkam

[deception``]

The main diff between the two is that Twinmos sp WILL be utt whereas there is no guarantee that the blue line mushkin will be cos it might be one of the older sticks :rolleyes:

So I'd go with Twinmos, but one thing going for the Blue Line is that Twinmos sp 512mb kit is single channel whereas blue line cas 2 stuff 512mb kit is Dual channel (2x256mb). So its up to you, I'd ask charlie where he got it :D

Perkam

I'm more concerned with a 1GB kit. My assumption was that all of the Speed Preimium could run dual channel in a DFI NF4. Also, shouldn't my chances of recieving UTT be good if I were to order the Mushkin Blue directly from Mushkin?

deception``

[Skip]

these are 180$ for the 2x512MB?

well i just bought 4x512MB of that twinmos stuff at newegg that a few guys here have done. of the 8 or so reviews, all are hitting 250+ HTT with 2-2-2 timings. that stuff was 100$ per gig. so i couldn't pass it up. and whatever 2 sticks do better are mine, the others are for friends.

[perkam]

Also, shouldn't my chances of recieving UTT be good if I were to order the Mushkin Blue directly from Mushkin?

I guess so, though the best way to get the highest benchie is to go VX if you're going 2x512MB. If not, then...again, ask charlie lol or wait a tad while for ppl to tell you which is better : Mushkin Blue Line UTT or Twinmos UTT.

Perkam

[Silvestre]

this is on newegg
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-212&depa=0
btw, i think charlie uses 1024MB of the Blue Line...so why is it better to go VX, perkam?

[Gogeta]

$155 for 1GB of ~260@3.5v is pretty sweet. :toast:

[perkam]

so why is it better to go VX, perkam?

I could give u 10 different reasons that would either be biased, based on personal opinion or liable to start a debate over why or why not.

So I'll make this simple why you should, if you wanted to, go VX:

OPP uses it :D

Perkam

[esoteradactyl]

charlie can you confirm is this is the stuff (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) you bought from fry's?? i want to pick some up tomorrow if it is :)

[charlie]

charlie can you confirm is this is the stuff (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) you bought from fry's?? i want to pick some up tomorrow if it is :)

yup. And if it's older stock, Fry's has a GREAT return policy!!

C

[conrad.maranan]

Man. $62.99 for a 512MB stick is one hell-of-a-deal. Very tempting.

[esoteradactyl]

yup. And if it's older stock, Fry's has a GREAT return policy!!

C

oh hell yeah they do! no questions asked :) now my goal is to get some that has not already been returned ;) hopefully the fountain valley joint has some.

[Gogeta]

I'll post results when mine arrive :D

$133 with 2nd day air.

[TEDY]

if only i lived in usa :p

[Shroomalistic]

Hey Charlie, which fry's did you get your mushy at? Manhattan Bch or another one?

[charlie]

Hey Charlie, which fry's did you get your mushy at? Manhattan Bch or another one?

Woodland Hills...

[Dumo]

w/o blue hs.....plain black..
http://img7.exs.cx/img7/4633/mvc017f6im.jpg

[quicksilverXP]

How do you know they are UTT... what if they are newer BH-5 or something... any chance of taking pics of the ICs?

[JasonDTM]

Heres a link to outpost with the Part number on the other UTT stuffMushkin Blue CL2 (http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG)

[esoteradactyl]

well i picked some up this morning and they are in fact UTT. they are burnning in at 240 2-2-2 as i type this.

i dont know if this goes for other stores, but the one in fountain valley charges $80 per 512mb stick. the internet price is $62. i tried talking to a manager to see if i could get them for the internet price but had no such luck. unfortunately they consider outpost.com a separate comapany and will not match the price. really lame if you ask me. im mean the website has the fry's logo on it.

[charlie]

If a LOT of people confirm they're UTT, then we can safely order them from outpost.com... heck, you can buy them from outpost and return them to brick and mortar fry's if they're not utt.

C

[Ashe]

Does mushkin have a live-time warranty like ocz as well?

~130$ /gb is awesome, even better than "Value VX", i think I should go with the mushkin sticks, shouldn't I?
Hope we soon know if it's UTT or not, i can go with twinmos for gambling ;)

[crotale]

Can you guys who have them please post any other numbers, like batch och manufacturing date. I'm about to stop by Fry's in Austin, where I happen to be, and see what they have :cool:

*EDIT* Dropped by the store but they're out of stock and has been for two weeks. :(

[caboob]

I couldnt resist the price on the Mushkin Blue on sale at outpost for 62 a stick. I'll report back and see if these sticks are UTT.

[esoteradactyl]

well charlie i think you got yourself some very cherry sticks. i max out around 250-255 with 3.4v. the sticks don't seem to like any more voltage. anything above 3.4v results in massive errors in memtest?

did you memtest your sticks at all, or are you just bench stable at 270??

im going to test the sticks individually and see what results i come up with.

[charlie]

well charlie i think you got yourself some very cherry sticks. i max out around 250-255 with 3.4v. the sticks don't seem to like any more voltage. anything above 3.4v results in massive errors in memtest?

did you memtest your sticks at all, or are you just bench stable at 270??

im going to test the sticks individually and see what results i come up with.

no haven't memtested them.... well actually I do, as a burn-in, but if it'll bench at 270 I don't really care if it errors memtest??
Now if you're at 250-255 memtest clean, that's good! Burn them in and try to open them up to 260 later in the week!! But even if they were maxed today, that's not bad...
Tell me how high yours will go sPi stable or 3D stable?? OH do you have the cool black pcb?? Or the green?

C

[Shroomalistic]

Charlie, you got me sold. I think Ill buy a gig of it tomorrow when I get my refund from my twinmos. :D

[charlie]

Charlie, you got me sold. I think Ill buy a gig of it tomorrow when I get my refund from my twinmos. :D

LMK how they do!!

[charlie]

After some burn-in, I've turned the volts down and have THIS!!

240 stable thru sPi 4M 2-2-2 @ only 3.2V

They're getting better :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27156

[charlie]

Sorry, my bad... 250 works too :D still 3.2V hmmm....
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27162

[EMC2]

Very nice :D At this rate you'll be at 270 and 3V before I get back from work tomorrow :lol:

Perchance could we see an A64 tweaker screenie? Thanks!

[Gogeta]

Vewwy intewesting chawlie. Too bad I can't test mine until I pick up an E3 stepping 3200+. The 3000+ Winny I have has mem controller issues over 255Mhz. :(

[esoteradactyl]

*note this is in single channel*

well one of my sticks kinda sucks compared to the other. it wont do 260 with any amount of volts. im still testing the other and its at 270 3.6v now. about 50 clean passes of memtest #5 so far..

240-250 runs at 3.2v. anything after that and i need to bump the voltage up to 3.5-3.6v

[largon]

w/o blue hs.....plain black..
http://img7.exs.cx/img7/4633/mvc017f6im.jpg
I'd say that's not BrainPower PCB. I once had Mushkin Black Level 1 with the same PCB.
Do they have "Mushkin Enhanced" printed on them, or anykind of serial?
Could you take pics of the backside?

[TEDY]

can you do 265 at 3.6v charlie ?

[Dumo]

heres..I took off the blue heatspreader...

[largon]

heres..I took off the blue heatspreader...
Black BrainPower! :rocker:

[Shroomalistic]

Has anyone ordered from outpost and recieved utt yet or am I gonna be the guinie pig again?

[Dumo]

mine ordered from outpost last fri.

[Shroomalistic]

sweet, thanks alot bro. Now I know who to kill if there not UTT...j/k :stick: :toast:

order placed, second day air so it should be here in time for the weekened

[caboob]

I sprung for Next day delivery for mine. Should be here soon this morning.

[charlie]

can you do 265 at 3.6v charlie ?

I can do "270" at 3.6v.... still burning, want to see 275 :D

C

[charlie]

*note this is in single channel*

well one of my sticks kinda sucks compared to the other. it wont do 260 with any amount of volts. im still testing the other and its at 270 3.6v now. about 50 clean passes of memtest #5 so far..

240-250 runs at 3.2v. anything after that and i need to bump the voltage up to 3.5-3.6v

What I would do is return the lousy stick, buy 3 or 4.... test them all and keep a pair of "270" sticks :D And return the others. ANd there's actually nothing wrong with it, Fry's return policy allows for dissatisfaction returns...

C

[NinjaZX6R]

So, has anyone ordered these and NOT gotten UTT? I want to know my chances. Otherwise, I'll just go value vx for $30 more. :D

-Collin-

[caboob]

So my set of mushkys came in today from outpost.com and the PCBs look like Brainpower (it had the Bxxxxx Part number) and was able to boot up at 2-2-2-7 at 2.9V. I will now be testing top speed on these sticks. I should have ordered two sets but I have to pay the tax man so more sets will have to wait.

[caboob]

So far I could only get 3Dmark to run at 235 @C2-2-2-7 with 3.4V. I'll just burn-in at this speed with memtest and try for higher later. I'd call this stuff UTT, kinda raw at the moment but better than rolling the dice with the TwinMOS stuff.

[mcnbns]

I wish the results with UTT weren't so varied. It makes it difficult to try to make a buying decision. I keep looking for RAM that could replace my EB (I'll need a gig of something eventually).

[jkabaseball]

dang, you guys make it so hard to pic up RAM!!! you're always finding cheap good ram. IDK which one to get.

[feanor512]

I just got 2 sticks from outpost.com. They have the brainpower 815 PCBs. The best they'll do at 200mhz at 2.9v is 2-3-3-7. I'm gonna swap out my NF7-S for my AN7 this weekend and see what they do on 3.2v (and do some FSB OCing now that I'm rid of my PC2100).

[Dumo]

Blue @3.2V and Gskill @3.0V

[charlie]

Blue @3.2V and Gskill @3.0V
http://img40.exs.cx/img40/6263/screenshot0920rr.jpg

With more V and some burnin, 255 or 260 should catch the tccd...

[Dumo]

Definitely...Blue will catch or beat tccd. I will Keep on burnin the blue :toast:
I still have to try zippy with 4.0V mod... :confused:

[conrad.maranan]

I still have to try zippy with 4.0V mod... :confused:
What mod? Do you have a way to make the Zippy work with the DFI 4.0VDIMM setting?

[Dumo]

What mod? Do you have a way to make the Zippy work with the DFI 4.0VDIMM setting?Still waitin for info from zippy.

[conrad.maranan]

Too bad I sold my Zippy. :( Please send me a PM if they do find a solution. If it works for you, then I'll probably just buy another one. :)

[Dumo]

Too bad I sold my Zippy. :( Please send me a PM if they do find a solution. If it works for you, then I'll probably just buy another one. :)Will do..

[chinkgai]

oh i almost forgot to give back to the community. i bought four sticks on sunday and spent only half and hour each on them.

STICK 1

3.1 - 200 p
210 p
220 p


3.2 - 230 f


3.3 - 240 p
245 p
255 p
260 f

3.4 - 260 f

3.5 - 260 f

3.6 - 260 f

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

STICK 2

3.1 - 200 no post


3.2 - 200 f


3.3 - 200 p
210 p
220 p
230 p
240 p
250 p
255 f


3.4 - 255 f


3.5 - 255 f


3.6 - 255 f
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
STICK 3

3.1 - 200 p
210 p
220 p
230 f


3.2 - 230 p
240 F


3.3 - 240 F


3.4 - 240 P
250 F


3.5 - 250 F


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

STICK 4

3.1 - 200 f


3.2 - 200 f
210 f


3.3 - 210 f


3.4 - 210 f

[crotale]

Stick 4 doesn't look so very promising ;)

[charlie]

lol... no kidding. Stick 4 is a stinker!

C

[jinu117]

Well lets see how my luck turns out. Grabbed 4 from outpost (didn't want to drive to Fry's.. lol)
If it even hits 230 2-2-2 with some decent voltage (3.5-3.7 is okay on my book) I guess I should be happy waiting for venice for 2GB. Thought about grabbing another pair of BH-5 but my ram costs are going out of roof at this rate so might as well see the actual benefit with 2GB instead of premium 1GB pieces I have all over the place now :)
If it is half decent, guess the BH-5 will be on sale (1GB pair that does 270 @ 3.6-3.7v stable everything :P)
Getting to stage of my gaming life where 1GB just doesnt' cut it anymore... that is scarey...

[esoteradactyl]

ive got 3 sticks total now.

#1 = 272 @ 3.6v

#2 = 252 @ 3.4v

#3 = 250 @ 3.4v

any volts over 3.5 on stick #2 and #3 will result in bsod. however #1 loves the juice. it will run with up to 4v no problem :D

now to find a brother for stick #1
:toast:

[k|ngp|n]

Stick 4 doesn't look so very promising ;)

I was just thinking same thing man :P

Its always a crapshoot when buying ram unfortunately.

[busta`]

This RAM looks great for the price. I will definately check it out :toast:

[bh2k]

I think even my cheap-self may grab one :)

[xxORBxx]

damn, i cant decide. My value vx does 250 5-2-2-2 but doesnt like my Neo 2. Anyone wanna trade?

ill sleep on it.

[Ashe]

chinkgai, could you please check if your 4th stick actually IS UTT?
If yes, than it is probably the worst UTT ever, if it's not, man then mushkin would be as much of a gamble as everything else :(

[chinkgai]

i think its utt, its on the same brainpower as all the rest

as for the actual chips, i dont want to take off the heatspreaders to take a peek

[Shroomalistic]

got my mushkin blue line c2 2 512 sticks today, they are UTT on Black Brainpower PCB. Just took them out and burning them in slowly. so far there at 225 @ 2,2,2,8 w/ 3.3volts.

look at what the mem is rated at in cpu-z
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27428

[_Eduard_]

i dont get it. why do they put the best chips in their value stuff? And mushkin never keeps a secret what chips they use... why don't they say so omfg #@$%X&*

[althes]

Think I may have to get some to test.

[caboob]

These sticks are starting to "glow" now. They just memtested clean at 240MHz after 3 nights of memtest burn-in. WOOT!

[EMC2]

These sticks are starting to "glow" now.

I can see it now, "Buy Mushkin Blue, get a free night lite" :p:

Curious to see the final result, please keep us posted :) Congrats :toast:

[Ashe]

i think its utt, its on the same brainpower as all the rest

as for the actual chips, i dont want to take off the heatspreaders to take a peek
allright, thx mate :)

[Saruji]

grrr, I gave in, gotta try this in place of my bh5
bought 2 sticks of 512

[jinu117]

Here is quick report on 4 sticks I got.
Bottom line: all of them does 2-2-2-5 240mhz fine. (SPD seems 2-2-2-6 on DFI-NF4 while auto yields 2-3-2-5) @ 3.2v
Stick 1:
241 2-2-2-5 3.2v
244 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.

Stick 2:
243 2-2-2-5 3.2v
245 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.

Stick 3:
255 2-2-2-5 3.2v
256 2-2-2-5 3.3v
259 2-2-2-5 3.4v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.

Stick 4:
253 2-2-2-5 3.2v
255 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.


Interestingly enough, unlike BH-5 or most VX I had played it, the memory is shy of higher voltage. 3.7v on stick 2 actually made sure that it won't even post. Putting each stick on dual channle results in about 1-2mhz speed reduction from lowest speed memory on stability test.
Now, here is the kicker for me. I am using winchester with 4x512mb 1T 230mhz 2-2-2-5 right now with this memory @ 3.2v. Once I use it for some time, I might slowly increase speed or take off the HS and see what potential it holds (or when venice comes). I wasn't sure if 1T is even possible with 2GB but I guess it is to lesser degree. Running prime 95 with heavy memory test and it only uses 1.2gb :) Time to hit up WoW and see how much smoother it is without HDD thrasing now.

PS) All in all, I can highly recommend this memory based on 4 sticks I got. This is in par of what OCZ VX PC-3200 was semi promised at. (min 240 2-2-2-5 with 3.2v posted by one of OCZ employee while back or their testing method for screening) You probably won't get 260-270 2-2-2-5 like VX series would but it seems to get you 240 2-2-2-5 with no problem which is more than what this memory is worth :) Warning: brick and mortar Fry's has it for $80 a pop while outpost has it for significantly cheaper Seriously pondering about grabbing another gig of this stuff for my 3rd desktop :P

[jagare]

Here is quick report on 4 sticks I got.
Bottom line: all of them does 2-2-2-5 240mhz fine. (SPD seems 2-2-2-6 on DFI-NF4 while auto yields 2-3-2-5) @ 3.2v
Stick 1:
241 2-2-2-5 3.2v
244 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.

Stick 2:
243 2-2-2-5 3.2v
245 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.

Stick 3:
255 2-2-2-5 3.2v
256 2-2-2-5 3.3v
259 2-2-2-5 3.4v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.

Stick 4:
253 2-2-2-5 3.2v
255 2-2-2-5 3.3v
Higher volt doesn't yeild any benefit.


Interestingly enough, unlike BH-5 or most VX I had played it, the memory is shy of higher voltage. 3.7v on stick 2 actually made sure that it won't even post. Putting each stick on dual channle results in about 1-2mhz speed reduction from lowest speed memory on stability test.
Now, here is the kicker for me. I am using winchester with 4x512mb 1T 230mhz 2-2-2-5 right now with this memory @ 3.2v. Once I use it for some time, I might slowly increase speed or take off the HS and see what potential it holds (or when venice comes). I wasn't sure if 1T is even possible with 2GB but I guess it is to lesser degree. Running prime 95 with heavy memory test and it only uses 1.2gb :) Time to hit up WoW and see how much smoother it is without HDD thrasing now.

PS) All in all, I can highly recommend this memory based on 4 sticks I got. This is in par of what OCZ VX PC-3200 was semi promised at. (min 240 2-2-2-5 with 3.2v posted by one of OCZ employee while back or their testing method for screening) You probably won't get 260-270 2-2-2-5 like VX series would but it seems to get you 240 2-2-2-5 with no problem which is more than what this memory is worth :) Warning: brick and mortar Fry's has it for $80 a pop while outpost has it for significantly cheaper Seriously pondering about grabbing another gig of this stuff for my 3rd desktop :P

Does WoW thrash much with 1gb? I'm still running 2x256mb while I wait for my new 2x512mb kit to arrive. It sure does thrash alot with 512mb of ram in highly populated areas (like IF).

[xxORBxx]

not bad results.

[jinu117]

Does WoW thrash much with 1gb? I'm still running 2x256mb while I wait for my new 2x512mb kit to arrive. It sure does thrash alot with 512mb of ram in highly populated areas (like IF).

1 Gig works well if you don't have anything on background running :P In IF, 1gig still would stutter occasionally but not that bad. You can just look at how frequently hdd is getting accessed to see where the problem lies. I figured since I am spending so much $$$ and going after that last few percent all the time, thinking saving on memory for once and reducing highly visible lowest common denominator would be good idea and it seems to be paying off (will find out more around afternoon today... on the lagforge :P)

And I prefer leaving few applications on while playing games for whatever quick things that crosses my mind at time.

[EMC2]

Interestingly enough, unlike BH-5 or most VX I had played it, the memory is shy of higher voltage.

May be more of a heat issue than voltage issue... from my experience Mushkin's spreader method tends to trap heat more than not with the tape they use.

[Shroomalistic]

my mushy's wont go over 230 at any volts but for the price I spent im not complaining. Im starting to think is my board crapping out now. My bh-5 or my utt do the same thing, top out at 230 while they used to top out at 270-280

[deception``]

my mushy's wont go over 230 at any volts but for the price I spent im not complaining. Im starting to think is my board crapping out now. My bh-5 or my utt do the same thing, top out at 230 while they used to top out at 270-280

Try re-flashing the bios. Sometimes DFI's need a fresh flash to return to optimal functionality :)

deception``

[Shroomalistic]

good idea, i was thinking about that but wasnt too sure. I will try it right now

Edit: Still no luck but it was worth a try. :toast:

[EMC2]

my mushy's wont go over 230 at any volts but for the price I spent im not complaining. Im starting to think is my board crapping out now. My bh-5 or my utt do the same thing, top out at 230 while they used to top out at 270-280

Same MB, same timings on the DIMMs that could but now don't? Do you have a DFI nF4 (ask because Skip and someone else experienced slow-death-syndrome where their max clocks slowly went down until ultimately croaking) Unlikely, but... have another MB or friend with one you can verify the DIMMs haven't diminished? And if you use Auto timings anywhere - don't, they can get funky sometimes when swapping around different memory.

[Shroomalistic]

i really think its the board (dfi nf3 754) It has already killed 3 gigs of ram just by turning it off, i think I need to pick me up another one. It killed my good gig of ch-5, my good gig of twinmos utt so im not gonna risk too much with this ram, im sure its better than the board will let it be. I stuck my gskill in it last night and now it will only work in this board and not my msi while it was doing 300 @ 2.5,3,3,7 like it was nothin in my msi.

[Playful_Buffalo]

alright... a gig of this (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) is what i want? i want to double-check before i order

always wanted mushkin ram :D they have good customer service? (when compared to the likes of OCZ)

[charlie]

:thumbsup:

[Playful_Buffalo]

:D yay


EDIT:
What I would do is return the lousy stick, buy 3 or 4.... test them all and keep a pair of "270" sticks :D And return the others. ANd there's actually nothing wrong with it, Fry's return policy allows for dissatisfaction returns...

C
is there a time restriction on this? cause i wont really be able to push these sticks for 2 months when i finish piecing my rig together, it will go in my current one as of now

so, this summer if i got a bad stick or two, would they still allow me to opt for a dissatisfaction return?


EDIT 2: i will take pics when it comes ;)

[EMC2]

--- Shroom ---

Ouch! Bad MB, BAD! :slapass:

In that case I wouldn't put any memory in it, lol. Something definitely not right with that one, sorry :(

[charlie]

:D yay


EDIT:

is there a time restriction on this? cause i wont really be able to push these sticks for 2 months when i finish piecing my rig together, it will go in my current one as of now

so, this summer if i got a bad stick or two, would they still allow me to opt for a dissatisfaction return?


EDIT 2: i will take pics when it comes ;)

They have 15 day return on memory, 15 days on CPU.... no questions asked...

[Arkangyl]

dizzamn, 30 day money back? Order 20 and keep the best, return the rest. Why not? :p

[chinkgai]

They have 30 day return on memory, 15 days on CPU.... no questions asked...

frys B&M is 15 days on both cpu AND memory

im not sure about outpost since i live in the middle of like four fry's

just a warning

[caboob]

So my two sticks seem well done after several nights of memtest burn-in. Stick #1 memtests clean at 260 (3.4V), however, #2 tests clean at 240 (3.4V). I guess I'll need another stick to match up with #1 or I put stick #2 back in the oven some more. Who coulda thought that running memtest could be so fun!

[Dumo]

Gettin there.. :D

[Dumo]

Blue catched up @250 and 3.4V

[isp]

Interesting compare Dumo, do you think the drivers make a big difference?
Also did you get a booster or something? I thought your zippy had a vdimm issue with dfi...

[Dumo]

Interesting compare Dumo, do you think the drivers make a big difference?
Also did you get a booster or something? I thought your zippy had a vdimm issue with dfi...Zippys no go :( . Im using enermax-EG851AX/660W

[charlie]

frys B&M is 15 days on both cpu AND memory

im not sure about outpost since i live in the middle of like four fry's

just a warning

thx, my bad....

[blinky]

I could give u 10 different reasons that would either be biased, based on personal opinion or liable to start a debate over why or why not.

So I'll make this simple why you should, if you wanted to, go VX:

OPP uses it :D

Perkamworst reasoning.... EVER

if OPP jumped off a bridge ud do it?

[charlie]

Well after a week of toying around....

I have 2 x 512mB Mushkin BLUE UTT running clean north of 270.... at 3.6v. If I could get the sticks cooler I could possibly use 3.7v and hit 275+


Bandwidth wise, though... I get my best numbers at 310, asynch, 183 divider, around 8000mb/s with 9x divider, not bad...
But here it is:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27530

[TEDY]

damn it you lucky mofo charlie ...congrats

i'm stuck at 265 at 3.6v single....dual maxes out 260 at 3.5 :(

[Ashe]

worst reasoning.... EVER

if OPP jumped off a bridge ud do it?
My mum used to tell me that when i was in 4th grade ... :rolleyes:

Guess there is a reason he uses 'em while there is none in jumping off a bridge

[xxORBxx]

I probably would jump off a bridge if OPP did. I mean..hes def. not an idiot..so i trust his judgement that it is safe. Im pretty sure hes not suicidal and doesnt wanna get hurt..so count me in :D

[EMC2]

dual maxes out 260 at 3.5 :(

260 is a good result Tedy :toast: Not all sticks will run 270+... and after a week of burn-in and a little more tweaking, who knows ;)


--- Charlie ---

Nice results! :toast: Would you be so kind as to post up an A64 tweaker shot for Tedy?

[Saruji]

hey I have a question, Dumo was running 240 and got 7688mb/s and Charlie only managed 7288mb/s @273. Does the extra 1 and a half megs of cache and 950 mhz help that much in memory transfer? Or am I missing something?.... I guess it would depend on what the multi was right? or is it just Sis software?

[charlie]

hey I have a question, Dumo was running 240 and got 7688mb/s and Charlie only managed 7288mb/s @273. Does the extra 1 and a half megs of cache and 950 mhz help that much in memory transfer? Or am I missing something?.... I guess it would depend on what the multi was right? or is it just Sis software?

yeah, exactly... the multi, CPU speed and FX make the difference!!

C

[Ashe]

Just ordered 4x 512mb of those (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) (don't tell me it's the wrong thing i ordered :stick: )
Hope i get at least 2 sticks with UTT :( 250 2-2-2 singlechannel would be perfect :)

[HiJon89]

Just ordered 4x 512mb of those (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) (don't tell me it's the wrong thing i ordered :stick: )
Hope i get at least 2 sticks with UTT :( 250 2-2-2 singlechannel would be perfect :)
Yup, those should be UTT :)

[Shroomalistic]

since I purchased these at outpost.com, can I walk in and exchange them at fry's? My pair suck a big one, Ive been having really bad luck with ram lately.

[Ashe]

since I purchased these at outpost.com, can I walk in and exchange them at fry's? My pair suck a big one, Ive been having really bad luck with ram lately.
What results do you get?

[Shroomalistic]

one stick does 230 while the other stick does 215 both at 3.4v(ive tried lower and higher voltage with no luck)


EDIT:
they must have heard me talking about them, for some reason there both running at 235 memtest stable when before I posted that they wouldnt. I didnt change anything :stick:

[Shroomalistic]

now there topping out at 242, i keepin em. but still, is it possible to return these to fry's just for future references?

these little bastard sticks were all no "no shroomy. dont return me to that big bad fry's. Well work I promise"

[charlie]

Sure, you could return them. Stand inline and say, they aren't compatible with my PC. They give you a pice of paper, you go back to PC section, tell him you want 2 XYZ sticks, he gives you a paper, you go up to the register, trade pieces of paper and he goes to the cage and grabs your sticks... you're done!

C

[TEDY]

shroomy i think your mobo suxors :)

[Shroomalistic]

Sure, you could return them. Stand inline and say, they aren't compatible with my PC. They give you a pice of paper, you go back to PC section, tell him you want 2 XYZ sticks, he gives you a paper, you go up to the register, trade pieces of paper and he goes to the cage and grabs your sticks... you're done!

C


I practically live at fry's, I go to the manhattan, fountain valley, anehiem, and city of industry all the time. Best return policy ever, you can just tell them you dont like em or say there not compatible with my monitor and they take em back. Ive spent many hours in the return line. I like to call it renting from fry's :shock2:

[Ashe]

they must have heard me talking about them, for some reason there both running at 235 memtest stable when before I posted that they wouldnt. I didnt change anything :stick:
Strange thing, happened to me last week:
my cheapo ram ran 230 cl2.5 memtest errorfree
From one day to another it gave me 4000 errors @same settings
Today i can run 234, no idea why but i like it :banana:

Hope my mushkin will kill them anyways ;)

[Shroomalistic]

well the ram is memtest stable at 240@2,2,2,8 but not windows stable. In order to get windows stable I have to run it at 240@2,3,2,8 just like good old ch-5, show ho much they have in common

[jinu117]

Well, Fry's is my first choice on testing something out that hasn't been proven. Only bad thing is... don't be surprised to get retail CPU with opened box or OEM CPU with abused marks... Open box item there on items there usually means 1) not a good overclocker, 2) teething compatibility problem, 3) abused but might be good. Always ask for non open box item they have in stock for things that looks suspicious.

[JNav89GT]

well the ram is memtest stable at 240@2,2,2,8 but not windows stable. In order to get windows stable I have to run it at 240@2,3,2,8 just like good old ch-5, show ho much they have in common
might wanna play with bios settings as I had similar problem till I found some different settings ;)

[Shroomalistic]

might wanna play with bios settings as I had similar problem till I found some different settings ;)



any hints :worm:

[charlie]

that's a GREAT smilie, heheehhe

:worm:

[Vassili]

E-mailed Mushkin about UTT, this is what they said:
Hello ---name---,

We are supplying Outpost.com and some Fry's electronics with Blue modules bearing WinBond UTT chips based on the CH5 and BH5 dies. They are not binned for operation beyond the rated specifications but as you can see from the forums the majority are operational at the speed you quoted. Again, they are available only through Outpost.com and some Fry's Electronics.
------------------- Original Message -------------------
Sent: 03/19/2005
Subject: DDR CL2 Blue Line has Winbond chip's?

Hello,

I have heard on some forum's (eXtreme systems
<http://xtremesystems.org/forums>, GoT <http://gathering.tweakers.net>)
that Mushkin is using (new) Winbond chips(CH5(/UTT) or BH-5) on there
DDR CL2 Bleu Line memory. Is that correct? And if so, how can I be sure
to order a Winbond set from your site?

And are the chip's tested for a speed(example 230Mhz 2-2-2-5 @ 3Volt)
for being placed on the memory, or all (good and bad overclockers) been
placed on the memory?

I'll hope you can answer my question's and maybe you can send me some
more information about the new Winbond chip's on your Memory.

My regards,

---name---Waited almost a week for this information... :( , but we now know something hey. :)

[Ashe]

Good news if you aks me :toast:
And thank you for asking :)

[Playful_Buffalo]

reguarding the email, think they mix the ic's on the sticks?

[Ashe]

reguarding the email, think they mix the ic's on the sticks?
What do you mean "they mix the ic's?"
I think they put UTTs on em?

btw prices @outpost dropped to 59.99$ (1 day after I ordered 4 sticks :slap: )

[Duonger]

no. a batch was built with bh and another batch with ch chips. there was no chip mixing or any kind. .. ch had no dots and bh has 2 dots.


Duonger- Yes i work for Mushkin

[Duonger]

What do you mean "they mix the ic's?"
I think they put UTTs on em?

btw prices @outpost dropped to 59.99$ (1 day after I ordered 4 sticks :slap: )


we gave frys an extremely good price on these parts. it is up to them as to what price they are going to sale these. they have very little left and after this, we will release the parts at regular price to everyone else. so i would get them while they last there.....fry b&m as well as outpost.com

Duonger

:banana:

[SLaY3r07]

Well looks like I will probably throw my OCZ fanboyism aside and pick up a gig of this own4g3 and sell my TCCD, mobo, and XT PE and head on over to the DFI Lanparty Ultra-D :banana:

[higgins]

Anyone ordered from outpost to europe? They ship internationally but don't state the cost for shipment.

[Shroomalistic]

no. a batch was built with bh and another batch with ch chips. there was no chip mixing or any kind. .. ch had no dots and bh has 2 dots.


Duonger- Yes i work for Mushkin


Besides the dots, is there any other way to tell the difference?


edit:

How many people get errors over 3.4v? I can run memtest at 3.38v with no errors what so ever but if I just crank up the voltage to 3.4v I get instant errors and thosands of them.

[jinu117]

Bit more tweaking and playing (as well as burning in) now my 2gb 4x512mb set is stable 243mhz 2-2-2-6 3.3v :) Will increase voltage and fine tune more.

Edit) Now testing 250mhz 2-2-2-6 3.5v. Memtest86 ran fine and testing windows memtest to confirm. Strange how I thought winchester can't handle 4 dimm... 1T well... but it is doing fine it seems... If venice shows more promise than winchester on 4x512mb... i might have to take out heatspreader... :P I did change drive str to 8 and it does seem to help taking more voltage on memory in... Sweet spot for me would be 260 2-2-2-5 or 2-2-2-6 but I will wait for venice to really push the memory :P Quite happy as is now.

[Tibu]

I'm waiting on the Mushkin Blue vs. Ocz Value VX vs. twinmos SP DEATHMATCH!! :banana:

[SLaY3r07]

Well, tomorrow I will go to my local Fry's and see if they have this stuff.

[Cpt Twitchy]

no. a batch was built with bh and another batch with ch chips. there was no chip mixing or any kind. .. ch had no dots and bh has 2 dots.


Duonger- Yes i work for Mushkin

Its nice to have another employee of a pc component manufacturer as part of this forum. :banana:

@ anyolne who knows- What is the warranty on these chips and what is the highest warrented voltage?

[Saruji]

no. a batch was built with bh and another batch with ch chips. there was no chip mixing or any kind. .. ch had no dots and bh has 2 dots.


Duonger- Yes i work for Mushkin
I'm really sorry for being the slow one here, but what 2 dots is he talking about? Dots on the pcb? I've read this whole thread and I dont see anything about a 2 dot. Some please clarify, as someone else is probably thinking the same thing. Ahhh i'm getting them tommorro, please tell, what am I going to get or how do I tell?

Thanks
Saruji

[chinkgai]

this is sold as blue value stuff...so i highly doubt mushkin will cover it beyond the normal 2.6-2.8 volts for their normal ram

mushkin has lifetime if you stay within specs ;D

[chinkgai]

I'm really sorry for being the slow one here, but what 2 dots is he talking about? Dots on the pcb? I've read this whole thread and I dont see anything about a 2 dot. Some please clarify, as someone else is probably thinking the same thing. Ahhh i'm getting them tommorro, please tell, what am I going to get or how do I tell?

Thanks
Saruji

yes...dots...physical indentations on the chips.

but it shouldnt matter to you, since most of them have heatspreaders on them...removal = death of warranty

as for being able to tell...look for the brainpower pcb...written on the side corner somewhere "BPXXXX"

aside from that...theres only one other way to find out.... :devil:

[Saruji]

lolz alright man, thanks for answering my question, it might be worth it, i never removed the ones from my mushkin ram but always felt like I had to, to prove that its real bh5. Well it oc'ed nicely but how do I really know?????? lolz ok, i'm gonna go study now.

[Ashe]

Anyone ordered from outpost to europe? They ship internationally but don't state the cost for shipment.
I did :wave:
it's 20§ Airbone express (my choice) or 40$ DHL (if I remember, may depend on where you are, I'm in Germany)

update:
WHAT THE :banana::banana::banana::banana:
The guy from DHL just came in the second I typed this
That's 2 1/2 days of shipping from USA to Europe :slobber:

And I had to pay ~55$ duty :slap:

Gonna play with them now :D

[Ashe]

as for being able to tell...look for the brainpower pcb...written on the side corner somewhere "BPXXXX"
You mean all the sticks with Brainpower PCB are UTT/Bh5 (the new stuff :D)

[largon]

@Duonger: Are there visible differences (labeling, part numbers, PCB etc.) in modules with BH-UTT and CH-UTT?

I allready have Twinmos CH-UTT. Plan to move to BH-UTT if I can be SURE I get ones with BH.

[Ashe]

There is CH-UTT and BH-UTT? :stick:
I thought UTT is always "CH"?

[Crimson_dAWN]

Can some one give me a link where to buy these ram in Italy (or in Europe)?
I can't find anything....

Thanks a lot:)

[Ashe]

Can some one give me a link where to buy these ram in Italy (or in Europe)?
I can't find anything....

Thanks a lot:)
I think only outpost.com and some fry's have them (i mean the good stuff) and they are in the USA
You can still order them from outpost.com if you are in europe but shipping will be about 20$

link is here (http://shop1.outpost.com/product/4292564?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG) (that's what i ordered, you may also look through the thread)

[largon]

There is CH-UTT and BH-UTT? :stick:
I thought UTT is always "CH"?
AFAIK UTT means only UnTesTed.
Are these new BH-dies binned to 200MHz at Infineon's/Winbond's fab? :confused: If not, they are as UTT as they can.

[largon]

Can some one give me a link where to buy these ram in Italy (or in Europe)?
I can't find anything....
Thanks a lot:)
http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?o=5&fs=Mushkin+Blue+400&in=&x=30&y=13
Edit: Only these (http://www.geizhals.at/eu/a120168.html) seem to be 2-3-3.

@Ashe: 20$ for shipping from another continent is a bargain for us Europeans: almost every retailer takes 20-30€ for international shipping. That's 25-40$.

[Ashe]

http://www.geizhals.at/eu/?o=5&fs=Mushkin+Blue+400&in=&x=30&y=13

@Ashe: 20$ for shipping from another continent is a bargain for us Europeans: almost every retailer takes 20-30€ for international shipping. That's 25-40$.
Yea i know, it's great
And keep in mind: My order from outpost took 2 and a half days for shipping to germany, man that's what i call service :banana:

I'm now off to set up my rig and give some fire to them mushkins :banana:

[higgins]

Yea i know, it's great
And keep in mind: My order from outpost took 2 and a half days for shipping to germany, man that's what i call service :banana:

I'm now off to set up my rig and give some fire to them mushkins :banana:

That's sweet mate. So how much did you end up payin for the ram in total? With shipping and duty (wonder how much they would charge in sweden... bigass taxes over here). :slap:

I have 1gb Speed Premium 3500 1A4T BH-5 on the way... 200$ with shipping. thats really cheep over here in sweden :cool:

[StarvationPlan]

That's sweet mate. So how much did you end up payin for the ram in total? With shipping and duty (wonder how much they would charge in sweden... bigass taxes over here). :slap:

I have 1gb Speed Premium 3500 1A4T BH-5 on the way... 200$ with shipping. thats really cheep over here in sweden :cool:

59.99$*2= (119.98$+20$)*1.25=174,975$
Speed Premium SWE +shipping approx 190$ (Bh5)
Speed Premium SWE +shipping approx 178$ (ch5)

[Shroomalistic]

since fry's / outpost has such an awesome return policy, you guys think I should exchange these blue lines and try for the bh-5 blue lines. It seems the new shipment is bh-5 at outpost.

[higgins]

59.99$*2= (119.98$+20$)*1.25=174,975$
Speed Premium SWE +shipping approx 190$ (Bh5)
Speed Premium SWE +shipping approx 178$ (ch5)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

Ok, i paid 196$. ;) (cuz i chose postförskott and not VISA :p: from komplett.se)

[StarvationPlan]

since fry's / outpost has such an awesome return policy, you guys think I should exchange these blue lines and try for the bh-5 blue lines. It seems the new shipment is bh-5 at outpost.
WAWAWWAT? Where did you hear that from? Are you certain? Dont know how cheap it would get returning SWE to US... if I wouldn't get one of those bh-5s..

[Ashe]

Think i paid ~320$ in total (4x 512mb)

[cartmanea]

According to a Mushkin rep, all the dual packs of Mushkin Blue at Outpost should now use the BH-5 chips. I just cancelled my order of 2 individual sticks that I placed last night and ordered 2 dual packs :) Hope I get some good ones!!!

[StarvationPlan]

According to a Mushkin rep, all the dual packs of Mushkin Blue at Outpost should now use the BH-5 chips. I just cancelled my order of 2 individual sticks that I placed last night and ordered 2 dual packs :) Hope I get some good ones!!!
You talking about these? http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Do mushkin speed bin any UTT/BH-5? Or do they just throw all their BH-5/UTT into the blue line at outpost? The answer in the email seems kind of uncertain... They could be just throwing a bunch of ddr200 granted chips without knowing if they do ddr250 at the same voltage. Or are they picking out the best ones and putting them elsewhere? Take twinmos for an example they only seem to have one kind of BH-5 modules, that means that massivly overperfoming chips could en up on the only BH-5 modules they have and perform much better than that... same with mushkin blue line?

How many of you guys have had problems with increased voltage doesn't help? How many kep having the problem after removing the heatspreader?

[TEDY]

nope they dont speed bin them...what else you want for 60$ ?

[xxORBxx]

According to a Mushkin rep, all the dual packs of Mushkin Blue at Outpost should now use the BH-5 chips. I just cancelled my order of 2 individual sticks that I placed last night and ordered 2 dual packs :) Hope I get some good ones!!!
Same here. I ordered this morning, cancelled, then reordered the dual pack. I hope they are good.

[StarvationPlan]

nope they dont speed bin them...what else you want for 60$ ?
I'm choosing between the twinmos, mushkin and maybe ocz... Thats why I'm curious about the speed binning :). Damn, It's like a magic force is drawing my hands on wordering 4*512mb just because of the price... killing my budget even more... sigh...

[GoldenTiger]

Just ordered 4 of the 512mb sticks... been out of the loop for a few, is UTT = to new BH5, just means Untested but essentially the same chips? Are my chances essentially 100% to get this stuff on all 4 sticks? Or should I call Outpost and tell them I want to switch to two dual packs of the good Blue stuff if I want good performance? I currently am running two sticks (dual pack) of Mushkin 2-2-2 BH6 Special Black and am looking for similar-performing RAM in a greater quantity.

[Duonger]

You talking about these? http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Or are they picking out the best ones and putting them elsewhere?


EXACTOMUNDO....

LOL LOL LOL

Duonger

[TEDY]

I'm choosing between the twinmos, mushkin and maybe ocz... Thats why I'm curious about the speed binning :). Damn, It's like a magic force is drawing my hands on wordering 4*512mb just because of the price... killing my budget even more... sigh...

I bought 4 TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM...3 stick were fine doing 260-265 range while 4th was RMA.....

Buy more , test them, if not working ok return and say incompatibility with friends mobo or something :P

[StarvationPlan]

I bought 4 TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM...3 stick were fine doing 260-265 range while 4th was RMA.....

Buy more , test them, if not working ok return and say incompatibility with friends mobo or something :P
There is a shop in Sweden selling the BH-5 twinmos... well I dont know how hardassed "Komplett" (the shop in sweden) is about returns, but mushkin is USA only... Don't know how they are with international returns... the shipping from Sweden to us could also be much more expensive:/.

[Saruji]

dam this, dual pack? grrr, well we will see what I get, how reliable is this source that says that the bh5's are in the dual pack? I'ma be pissed if this is a marketing stunt.

[xxORBxx]

dam this, dual pack? grrr, well we will see what I get, how reliable is this source that says that the bh5's are in the dual pack? I'ma be pissed if this is a marketing stunt.
Meh, even if mine are just normal ram, it has to be better than my value vx that i have to run at 187 mhz 2.5-3-3-7 :rolleyes:

[Duonger]

dam this, dual pack? grrr, well we will see what I get, how reliable is this source that says that the bh5's are in the dual pack? I'ma be pissed if this is a marketing stunt.


I am the source and I work for Mushkin and built those puppies up.... I am building 4000 more right now so the source is :banana:


Duonger

[Ashe]

Quiet a weird problem here:
I always get one error in test7 memtest (v1.52 if I remember) and I always get it at 95.5mb?
Tried 2-3-2-6 1T as well as 3-3-3-11 2T but doesn't make a difference :stick:
Both at 2.88V VDimm (max I can give it atm)

I'll now trie another stick, but what do you guys think it is? Corrupt stick? Not enough Voltage?

[TEDY]

ashe.....only 2.88 ? omg that's nothing

try 220 2-2-2-5 !!!! not 2-3-2-6

[Ashe]

I am the source and I work for Mushkin and built those puppies up.... I am building 4000 more right now so the source is :banana:


Duonger
Hi Mushkin Source, nice to meet ya ;)
I got one stick hier a cannot set into the DIMM-Socket because the HS sees to be displaced. (sorry I cannot explain it, my english is just to bad :() I'l try to take some pictures

[Ashe]

ashe.....only 2.88 ? omg that's nothing

try 220 2-2-2-5 !!!! not 2-3-2-6
Yea, i'll flash my bios to be able to give ~3.2V

any 2-2-2-x setting won't work with 2.88V
You think it is the low voltage holding me off? Would be UTT chips then, wouldn't it?

[Duonger]

Ashe, where do you live.. contact our RMA dept and we will swap it out for you...

800-569-1868 or post in our forums.

Duonger

[TEDY]

yep they need 3.0v+

[Ashe]

Ashe, where do you live.. contact our RMA dept and we will swap it out for you...

800-569-1868 or post in our forums.

Duonger
I live in Germany, i'll contact you later this day :)

[Ashe]

This stuff starts anoying me:
With stick 1 I get 7 errors in memtest, all test 7
stick 2 gives me 2 errors in memtest, both test 7 as well
running 2-2-2-5 @3.08V

Did I get crappy sticks or am I doing something wrong? :slap:

edit: passed memtest @ 3.3V (Skipped 3.2V), no going for some oc

[cartmanea]

Tiger, UTT is not BH-5, UTT is actually the new CH-5. The BH-5 used in the Mushkin Blue is actual BH-5 ICs, not UTT. They are not Speed Binned or tested so you are taking a chance, but so far performance has been good with them. I should be getting my 4 sticks tomorrow or Friday, then I'll be stressing them all weekend and finding the best 2.

And its these ones:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[Shroomalistic]

so do the dual packs come with black BP pcb also? I love these black pcb :D

[Playful_Buffalo]

awwww you have to be kidding......i cant tell my dad i want to return the sticks the day i got them :(

i bought two seperate ones, but at least i got black pcb

:dammit:

[Saruji]

I am the source and I work for Mushkin and built those puppies up.... I am building 4000 more right now so the source is :banana:


Duonger
Lolz ok cool, sweet to have someone that builds these so close. So part # 990992 is bh5 and ch5, but the dual packs are bh5 ic's right (PART#991140)? Of which you are making 4000 more of yes?

[GoldenTiger]

Tiger, UTT is not BH-5, UTT is actually the new CH-5. The BH-5 used in the Mushkin Blue is actual BH-5 ICs, not UTT. They are not Speed Binned or tested so you are taking a chance, but so far performance has been good with them. I should be getting my 4 sticks tomorrow or Friday, then I'll be stressing them all weekend and finding the best 2.

And its these ones:
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

So, what are my chances of BH5 on 4x 512mb Blue for all of them? Should I refuse shipment? I want the good stuff that's like my BH-5/6 :)! Thanks!

[Duonger]

the single modules are 50/50.... some are made with bh and others with ch.

if you get the dual packs, then it it guaranteed bh.

Duonger

[Playful_Buffalo]

er...is PCB color just looks or is there a difference between the modules with blue and black PCB's?

[Saruji]

So, what are my chances of BH5 on 4x 512mb Blue for all of them? Should I refuse shipment? I want the good stuff that's like my BH-5/6 :)! Thanks!
Hmm, I wonder if you can do that and then have outpost credit the money back.

[Raybo]

er...is PCB color just looks or is there a difference between the modules with blue and black PCB's?

I just recieved my sticks, one black PCB and one green PCB, I hope they have the same chips. :para:

[Ashe]

I just recieved my sticks, one black PCB and one green PCB, I hope they have the same chips. :para:
You should be lucky to have one with green pcb

Got 4 with black here and they suck (so far ;))
#1 doesn't seem to do anything (not SPD @2.8V, not 3-3-3@2.8V, not 2-2-2-5 @3.3V)
#2 doesn't fit into the DIMM-Slot :D
#3 at least hits 220 2-2-2-5 @3.3V
#4 is currently doing 225 2-2-2-5 @3.3V but still gets 3 errors 16 loops memtest (test5)

Don't want do give up yet but it's pretty depressing to have 3 crappy sticks and one that cannot even be tested :(
I'll try to do a VDimm-Mod and get a newer bios, but my hope is fading :shakes:

[Playful_Buffalo]

nevermind
EDITED

[Ashe]

so now i missed the bh-5 chips, and black PCB ones supposedly suck
I wouldn't say that ;)
I'm quite a noob concerning overclocking and I have a feeling my motherboard (or the old bios) doesn't like the Mushkins

[jinu117]

So you guys are telling me I got 4 BH-5 sitting here? That just sounds too good to be true for the price. My luck has turned upward for once...

[Shroomalistic]

the single modules are 50/50.... some are made with bh and others with ch.

if you get the dual packs, then it it guaranteed bh.

Duonger


i like that guaranteed up there

[xenolith]

I wouldn't say that ;)
I'm quite a noob concerning overclocking and I have a feeling my motherboard (or the old bios) doesn't like the Mushkins

That's the spirit, don't give up on 'em yet. List some of your gear and we might be able to help a little better. You might just need to fiddle with a BIOS setting or two to get your sticks to sing. :banana:

[GoldenTiger]

So, how do the "other" sticks perform? Am I likely to be disappointed? Should I try to switch to 2 dual packs now?

[Saruji]

:dammit:

so now i missed the bh-5 chips, and black PCB ones supposedly suck

EDIT: if they work with advertised timings at 2.85v i intend to keep for now. whats outpost's policy on open box?


They dont suck, please dont post such things and get others confused, you can look through this thread and you will see that Dumo got some black ones and he is doing great with them, pushing past 250 around 247 mempass'ed. Go to outpost.com website and read the return policy, it reads that you can return your products (even if open) within 30 days, however you are responsible for shipping and everything has to be with its original packaging, even if the package is open. Now please stop confusing others.

[Saruji]

P.S. I just refused shipment of the 2 singles and have ordered a the paired one. Cant wait!!!!!!

[GoldenTiger]

P.S. I just refused shipment of the 2 singles and have ordered a the paired one. Cant wait!!!!!!


Outpost OK'd this? Who pays return shipping?

[isp]

Outpost OK'd this? Who pays return shipping?
Nobody. :p

[GoldenTiger]

I just called outpost to cancel my second order and put in my first one to be sent back. You can do it, just have to notify them. Thanks guys... now I'll have the right ones for sure :)!

[SLaY3r07]

the single modules are 50/50.... some are made with bh and others with ch.

if you get the dual packs, then it it guaranteed bh.

Duonger

NICE, thanks for the gurantee :banana:

[Ashe]

Allright mates, I don't want to annoy you but need some help with my mushinks.
Here is my current status:
Got 4 Mushkins, 3 can be used (s.a. why)
My motherboard is a Abit KV8 pro (S754), i'm running a very old modded Bios version because it is my only chance to give high voltage (up to 3.32V) at the moment.

One stick (the first i tried) seems to be very bad to me, i didn't want to run the default specs nor 2-2-2-5 at 3.3V, that's why for the moment i would like to concentrate on the other two sticks

Both of em pass memtest (and test5 loops) at 220Mhz 2-2-2-5 3.3V
Both of em show some errors at 225Mhz (one seems to be a bit better, sometimes passes without any error, but most likely will produce 1-2 errors a loop, the other one gives me 2 or more errors /loop)
My settings are the ones Dumo used (link (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27004)) They helped me getting less error at 230Mhz with the "good" stick but they decreased the "good" stick's performance at 225Mhz (had it up to 10 loops memtest5 errorfree + one whole memtest loop)

My general Question would be what you guys think is holding me back?
Did I just get 3 Crappy sticks?
Is it my MoBo / old Bios?
Any of my bios settings?

I would like to hope that everything might become good but after 6 hours it's quite hard :(

[Duonger]

Allright mates, I don't want to annoy you but need some help with my mushinks.
Here is my current status:
Got 4 Mushkins, 3 can be used (s.a. why)
My motherboard is a Abit KV8 pro (S754), i'm running a very old modded Bios version because it is my only chance to give high voltage (up to 3.32V) at the moment.

One stick (the first i tried) seems to be very bad to me, i didn't want to run the default specs nor 2-2-2-5 at 3.3V, that's why for the moment i would like to concentrate on the other two sticks

Both of em pass memtest (and test5 loops) at 220Mhz 2-2-2-5 3.3V
Both of em show some errors at 225Mhz (one seems to be a bit better, sometimes passes without any error, but most likely will produce 1-2 errors a loop, the other one gives me 2 or more errors /loop)
My settings are the ones Dumo used (link (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27004)) They helped me getting less error at 230Mhz with the "good" stick but they decreased the "good" stick's performance at 225Mhz (had it up to 10 loops memtest5 errorfree + one whole memtest loop)

My general Question would be what you guys think is holding me back?
Did I just get 3 Crappy sticks?
Is it my MoBo / old Bios?
Any of my bios settings?

I would like to hope that everything might become good but after 6 hours it's quite hard :(


Are you kidding- these parts are only spec at 200 2-3-3.. if you got anythingn better than you are golden.

if you want more i woulld check your bios to make sure it is the latest... also these parts like some burn in. let it run for a while.

if you want call our tech guys and they might give you some more pointers but i think u have to update your bios.

Duonger

[Ashe]

Are you kidding- these parts are only spec at 200 2-3-3.. if you got anythingn better than you are golden.

if you want more i woulld check your bios to make sure it is the latest... also these parts like some burn in. let it run for a while.

if you want call our tech guys and they might give you some more pointers but i think u have to update your bios.

Duonger
Allright, so i`ll try a newer bios +VDimm-Mod
I know it's above the specs and I won't send them back or something (except that one stick with the deplaced HS) And i really have to check the on badass stick which didn't even pass memtest @3-3-3-11 2T 2.8V with a new bios

I'll put the in the oven this night and see if it helps :)

[dreamworkz]

NICE, thanks for the gurantee :banana:

Same here...just put in an order for one...ill report back when I get them in...:thumbsup:

[jkabaseball]

so this is what I want?

http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3602905?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

[Duonger]

si senor

Duonger

[StarvationPlan]

:fight: I wonder how many more who will have asked the same question when this thread reaches page 50...

[jkabaseball]

well the first 8 pages were about the single stick, now people started talking about dual channel packs, wanted to make sure I got the right one.

[StarvationPlan]

Yea. I asked the exact same question before :)

[jkabaseball]

i can't read :(

[SLaY3r07]

i can't read :(

Same here :rolleyes:

[GoldenTiger]

Took me a bit of reading to catch it too... thankfully, I did indeed order the right dual packs :).

[Playful_Buffalo]

They dont suck, please dont post such things and get others confused, you can look through this thread and you will see that Dumo got some black ones and he is doing great with them, pushing past 250 around 247 mempass'ed. Go to outpost.com website and read the return policy, it reads that you can return your products (even if open) within 30 days, however you are responsible for shipping and everything has to be with its original packaging, even if the package is open. Now please stop confusing others.
sorry, i kinda panicked. edited that post

i hope my pair does alright

[JNav89GT]

yeah I think it's easy to get greedy and consider 220 to be crappy, but keep in mind your paying near generic prices and they are still going up and over what they are rated for and often quite a bit higher at much tighter timings.

I guess I was lucky when I got mine and thought, well I can use them in another system if they don't fly high, but now they are my best benching ram now, running 253 memtest passable and much higher in benching 3d ;)