Current BH-5 or possible TCDD

[ooztuncer]

What a classic thread subject for last couple of months... I am reading, learning, thinking, more reading...in the end generally losing!

As you might see in a different thread (Buyers Beware! New geil Ultra-X might NOT be TCCD) I already mentioned that I happened to buy 2x512 geil Ultra-X, and strangely found out that I have BH-5 sticks in my hand. According to Angry(dfi street) right now my ram is running 9x260 at 2-2-2-8 timings with 3.5volts. I believe that there may be little more room if he does the nuance settings.

Last week I gave a conscious decision, I told myself I need a TCDD ram, because my 3000+winnie has 9x multiplier, I am interested with high mhz with 1:1 ratio, etc...

But now, what would you guys do if you were in my situation? Try to rma the BH-5 to Geil and pick a TCDD OR accept that 260-265 2-2-2-8 is good enough for $260???

PS: It's been 6 weeks since I ordered my parts and still fighting to get a working computer...

Thanks...

[Ferry82]

If you have a DFI just run a 183 or 166 divider i use a 183divider too with bh5 and i love it tccd cant beat it.

So keep the ram

[Bandit666]

What a classic thread subject for last couple of months... I am reading, learning, thinking, more reading...in the end generally losing!
As you might see in a different thread (Buyers Beware! New geil Ultra-X might NOT be TCCD) I already mentioned that I happened to buy 2x512 geil Ultra-X, and strangely found out that I have BH-5 sticks in my hand.

WHY u found out that? With the SN?

greetings

[Ashe]

I`d keep the sticks, 260 2-2-2 is quite nice ;)

[conrad.maranan]

But now, what would you guys do if you would in my situation? Try to rma the BH-5 to Geil and pick a TCDD OR accept that 260-265 2-2-2-8 is good enough for $260???
Please do not RMA your components if they fail to overclock to your expectations. RMA is supposed to be reserved for components that fail to function as advertised by the manufacturer.

260MHz to 265MHz 2-2-2 is excellent. Most people can only hope to have memory that performs at that level. Keep it. ;)

[ooztuncer]

Please do not RMA your components if they fail to overclock to your expectations. RMA is supposed to be reserved for components that fail to function as advertised by the manufacturer.

260MHz to 265MHz 2-2-2 is excellent. Most people can only hope to have memory that performs at that level. Keep it. ;)

Guys you are giving me hope here! And, I probably keep them (have to wait Angry until he finishes his stability tests)

AG, viper, and I were all disappointed in the beginning because Anandtech review, Madshrimps review, Insanetek review, tons of good comments and overclocking success stories on extremesystems, dfi-street, and other forums on this ram indicate that Geil is using TCDD chips. All of them (including reviews) could reach really high fsb’s (>275Mhz) with these modules, and the marketing on them plus $260 price tag reflects this high expectations.

Even tough I am thinking to keep this RAM, it is not what I expected and it is NOT what they promote, that's my problem...

Peace & don't forget: ONLY paranoia survives...

[jumanji969]

Even tough I am thinking to keep this RAM, it is not what I expected and it is NOT what they promote, that's my problem...


Just because its not what you expected doesn't give you a right to RMA it. I'm pretty sure they didn't advertise the ram specifically as TCCD modules.

[ooztuncer]

I don't wanna flame anyone, I am just telling my ideas here. Please look at below comment carefully, this reply came from a Geil engineer from Taiwan but it was unheard until couple of days ago:

QUOTE: GEIL Ultra-X module used to equip with Samsung TCCD. It was able to overclock with low voltage. People love Samsung TCCD.
Unfortunately, Samsung has stopped making TCCD this February. Therefore, we switch IC from Samsung TCCD to Winbond BH-5.
Winbond BH5 needs higher voltage to raise it's clock speed or overclock; standard clock speed require 2.5 to 2.65v, OC to 260 or 270 require atleast 2.85+. However, there are only few motherboards support 2.85v; most of them are 2.8v top. QUOTE

SOURCE: GEIL usa support forum (http://www.geilusa.com/forum2/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=591&whichpage=2)

MORE important issue: Can they replicate the reviews on GEIL USAwebpage with same model that I bought? 285fsb with BH-5???

I'm telling again I may be happy at the end of the day, HOWEVER it is not what they promote. Period.

EDIT: newegg dropped its price from $262 to $220: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-332&depa=1 but WHY???

[Raybo]

If the ram can't do what is claimed (X mhz at X Vdimm) than you have every right to RMA them.

Some people here (and I know it's taking a chance) have been getting your results with a $105 set of Twinmos ram.

How would you feel if you didn't have the resourse to give your sticks the Vdimm, would it be RMA time THEN?

[HiJon89]

All of them (including reviews) could reach really high fsb’s (>275Mhz) with these modules, and the marketing on them plus $260 price tag reflects this high expectations.

Even tough I am thinking to keep this RAM, it is not what I expected and it is NOT what they promote, that's my problem...

Peace & don't forget: ONLY paranoia survives...
They may have reached 275+, but with what timings, you're at 260 2-2-2, for TCCD to reach 275+ it needs 2.5-3-3-7, you would need to take the TCDD to at least 285mhz for it to beat 260 2-2-2-5, almost all of the top benchers in the world run BH-5 or VX at around 260-275 2-2-2-5, I would take those timings any day, especially on 2x512MB they're almost impossible to get :toast:

[meateater]

But according to this link, cas and Trcd has very little gain.
So does that mean that 275mhz even on 3-x-x-x can beat 260 on 2-x-x-x?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48634

[metro.cl]

the only nice thing on tccd is that for a 24/7 oc you dont have the worry that something might burn couse of the high vdimm, if you want 24/7 oc at high fsb, you maight want tccd chips but that bh5 is really good chips for oc, also they tend to perfom better with time so you might end with 280mhz 2-2-2-5 and tccd cant do that, and to equal the performance you need 320 at 2.5-3-3-11 or better

[meateater]

anyone here know of safe everyday voltages for bh5 overclocking?

[isp]

Good luck, I doubt an RMA will get you what you want though.

[JuanFlaiter]

As everybody, I like BH-5 for benching and TCCD for gaming. More than 3.3v without cooling (and noise) can be scary. Mainly the vDimm mosfet.