3Dmark2001 coming to an End??

[OPPAINTER]

Looks like a big discussion over at Futuremark about 3D2001.

Doesn't look good, looks to me that they will be droping it off of the Orb when they come out with their next benchmark. I predict it will be gone within the next 6 months.

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=mo3dmark2001&Number=4989371&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=all

OPP

[perkam]

As long as it stays on long enough for us to watch u bench with an R520, OPP, it'll be worth it ;) :up:

I really dont mind, I think we're coming of age in respect to dependance on cpu power alone for vid cards and 03 and 05 are better for comparo's so I dont mind :D

Perkam

[bias_hjorth]

These guys are probably ending it cause most of them doesnt have the cpu power to keep up with the guru´s :hehe...
I´ll say keep it alive whatever the cost..

[GazC]

I hope that we can keep a "third party" '01 orb going when Nvidia err I mean Futuremark do manage to lay 3Dmark01 to rest.

It's the only decent benchmark out of the three imo.

[charlie]

I AGREE that FM should scrap '01.......

ONLY IF!!!! it is to be replaced with a new 3DMark benchie that gauges the power of CPU + GPU + MEMORY SUBSYSTEM kinda like use 2 or 3 dx7 tests, a couple dx8 tests and a couple dx9 tests....
C

[twilius_basic]

Even when they finally do quit maintaining the 2K1 ORB, I will be posting screenshots of my scores instead :D

[GazC]

Considering it was what gave me the overclocking bug in the first place and has cost me a lot in money, effort and sleepless, cold nights; It would almost seem like a betrayal to drop '01.

03 and 05 simply cannot replace it as a proper full system test.

[RaptorRaider]

If they stop maintaining 3DMark2001 in a couple of months, I think there will be a very, very interesting race to see who can get the highest score ever.

Nonetheless that doesn't mean I think this would be a good thing. 3DMark2001 is a great allround benchmark to test the full capabilities of your CPU, RAM and GPU.

[Nerm]

That would be a sad day unless FM brings out a newer better version of 01.

[drcrawn]

I think the streets would run red if FM pulled '01 off the ORB. But if FM doesnt keep it current to support upcoming technolgy, it may be a moot point anyway.

[FallenAngel]

These guys are probably ending it cause most of them doesnt have the cpu power to keep up with the guru´s :hehe...
I´ll say keep it alive whatever the cost..


I AGREE that FM should scrap '01.......

ONLY IF!!!! it is to be replaced with a new 3DMark benchie that gauges the power of CPU + GPU + MEMORY SUBSYSTEM kinda like use 2 or 3 dx7 tests, a couple dx8 tests and a couple dx9 tests....
C

ditto, my thoughts the same

[Kanavit]

tbh, i only benchmark 2k1 because so many people here sweat it. i think the benchmark is extremely outdated and is becoming totally cpu dependant. i bench aquamark3 and '03, 05 more.

[isp]

I think before they go killing what made them what they are today, they better come out with a REALLY nice bench. Something like charlie is describing sounds good... :)

[RAndomaN]

well personally just because they stop the hall of fame on their webby doesnt mean that XS can open its own version where you use screenshots to prove your score, with the FPS showing aswell and system specs with cpu-z open along with something showing GPU oc

[DarkManX_BG]

ONLY IF!!!! it is to be replaced with a new 3DMark benchie that gauges the power of CPU + GPU + MEMORY SUBSYSTEM

Sound like 3DMark03 combined with SuperPi to me :p:

[Playful_Buffalo]

people seem to be defending it....i wonder if futuremark cares

[OPPAINTER]

Since Futuremark doesn't want it, maybe they should just give it XS. We can rename and Host it:D

OPP

[k|ngp|n]

This sucks :(...but I knew it was coming eventually.
The benchmark might not have any relavance to todays games, but it's a big deal to me and prolly the other guys going for top spots.
03' and 05' are no fun and too gpu dependant.
I have no motivation to run either.

We need a 3d benchmark that is equally balanced on cpu, gpu, and memory subystem. Makes it so much more fun to squeeze every last point out of your rig.

[Holst]

I think 2k1 is more interesting to bench than 03 or 05.

The CPU impact allows for a much greater level of tweaking than on the others. There are also more OS and other tweaks.

I also find the standard issues of 03 and 05 less helpfull, you cant run individual tests or change resolution or anything.

For those of us with 9X00 cards or worse 03 and 05 are 90% down to your graphics overclock. There isnt much to tweak after that, so they are less interesting.

It will be a shame to see 2k1 go, but its had a damned good run.

[jjcom]

XtremeMark 2001SE :D

Now that would be nice, I say keep 01, its still a great benchmark!

jjcom

[bias_hjorth]

Since Futuremark doesn't want it, maybe they should just give it XS. We can rename and Host it:D

OPP


You do have a good point there :D .. Although I think it would probably cost about an arm and a leg.. :slash:

[RAndomaN]

Maybe but which forum has the majority of the members that spend their time at the top... XS, im sure if someone got in contact with them, they would be able to come to some agreement :)

[Dissolved]

i dont see why they have to drop it. IMHO People only run 03 and 05 dude to its better graphics..

ive always liked 01, and as many sleepless nights it gave me, i'll miss it very much :(

[Kunaak]

I wouldn't mind if they dropped 2001se... but only if they replaced it with something that actually tests your system as a whole and not just one component.

testing the videocard only tells me nothing about how the videocard affects the systems as a whole, cause if I went by Futuremarks 2005 it would seem like a AMD XP with X850XT PE is just as good as a FX 55 with a X850XT PE, which in the real world just isn't true.

we can all figure out what videocard is best without a benchmark.
thats not the problem.

the problem is having a benchmark that shows real world performance increases with whatever your CPU Ram and Motherboard are.

3Dmark 2005 does this to almost no degree.
and while 3dmark2003 is getting better with the faster CPUs... it's still not much to replace 2001se.

futuremark needs to stop focusing on one part of the PC and realize that the PC is a whole, not a part.
make me a benchmark that uses everything, not just one thing...

unless they do this... it's gonna be a sad day indeed for benchmarking with graphic cards.

[Nerm]

This is why I am really starting to like Aquamark3. lol

[afireinside]

Yeah AM3 is nice looking, short, and tests the whole system. Not AS good as 3d01 but its all we will have if they kill 01 without replacing it. To bad the ARC is crap...

[OPPAINTER]

Looks like Worm over at Futuremark locked the Thread:D

OPP

[bias_hjorth]

I like the participants in that thread
Quote GazC:
"If (when) you decide to drop your only decent "full system" benchmark, I hope it will be possible for a third party enthusiast site, like Xtremesystems, for example to be given the code and information for the '01 ORB so that it can be kept alive for the majority of us who would like to see it continue. "


Although I dont like his reply :(

Quote the WoRM :D
"The sourcecode for 3DMark2001SE can not be "open sourced" as it contains code from third party members. Handing the ORB to some other site(s) is not possible either. The ORB for 2001 is the same as for our other benchmarks, so handing out the ORB for 2001 would mean that we would hand out the whole ORB. Besides, if we would do it, the client would still need to be patched in order to make the submission to some other location. Just not possible."

[perkam]

"The sourcecode for 3DMark2001SE can not be "open sourced" as it contains code from third party members. Handing the ORB to some other site(s) is not possible either. The ORB for 2001 is the same as for our other benchmarks, so handing out the ORB for 2001 would mean that we would hand out the whole ORB. Besides, if we would do it, the client would still need to be patched in order to make the submission to some other location. Just not possible."

Sour Beans :rolleyes: but not to worry, there are enough open-source benchmarks going around (I like renderbench :D ) that it shouldnt be a problem, we'll just use 01 in offline mode if they do LOL

Perkam

[jjcom]

I can understand the first part of that responce, but Why not just give the site a copy of the ORB with everything, and have a redirect on their submission page so that it goes to something like XS.org/ORB/01 or something, or woudl that be possible? Could be hard for them tho...

jjcom

[perkam]

I think Kazoo/Chilly1/Fugger are having one heck of time maintaining the servers for 100,000 XS members to come here and discuss their views without any server hiccups as it is that adding yet another HUGE database of info and its maintenance might just be too much, unless the venture can help pay for it self (XS 3dMark02SE PRO Anyone :D ).

Not a bad idea, but I'd like to hear from them first.

Perkam

[blinky]

3dmark01 is really the most fun bench

people like me who cant afford x800 or 6800 series cards really have no use for 03 or 05 because its so vid card dependant. this would be really sad if they scrapped 01, that is THE benchmark, in my opinion, that defines the greatest OCers, because it requires so many things to be clocks and tweaked

:(

[cadaveca]

LoL..what's wrong with PCMARK'04?

[jjcom]

I think Kazoo/Chilly1/Fugger are having one heck of time maintaining the servers for 100,000 XS members to come here and discuss their views without any server hiccups as it is that adding yet another HUGE database of info and its maintenance might just be too much, unless the venture can help pay for it self (XS 3dMark02SE PRO Anyone :D ).

Not a bad idea, but I'd like to hear from them first.

Perkam

yeah, I know what you mean, I was just using XS as an example. Plus the huge bandwidth needed...

jjcom

[jayjaya29]

Man, it would suck so bad if they scrapped '01. Everybody trusts it, and everybody is so familiar with it, so why take it down. When I bench, I hardly ever use '03 and '05 becuase I know minor increase in clock speeds will not increase my score at all. I say keep '01 or make another bench program that did what '01 has done.

[Gautam]

From Futuremark's perspective, I can sorta understand why they'd want to phase out a 4 year old benchmark, but it'll be a sad day indeed when/if they put it to rest...whats nice about 3dmark01 is that its a gaming benchmark, just with the GPU bottleneck taken out.

[charlie]

Gaming in it's purest form IS a combination of CPU and GPU power...
THUS, we need a bench hat has individual game tests stressing CPU almost exclusively, like Carlo/hi.... and GT1 from '03....
Then a couple nice dx8/9 GT's and maybe another heavy CPU maybe a rendering test??

C

[jkabaseball]

i agree if they drop it, they shoudl replace it, not a newer 05 version, replace the all around. There is no way in hell we will get the test or the ORB. It would be like microsoft giving us source code for win98.

With 01se if you and a friend were going at it, they where many different ways you could pull 100 points off. WIth the newer tests, you better start cascading that GPU if you want more.

[Kanavit]

yea, 4 years in computer time is alot. heck 1 year is enough to fossilize any new computer system. 2k1 still is the best benchmark and needs a face lift badly. Is it so hard to apply the latest technology with 2k1 game engine? Like using HDR or sm 3.0 or rewriting 2k1 with new dx 9.0c game code. I'm tired of Car test and Dragothic, graphically looks soo old nowadays.

[DarkManX_BG]

Even if they drop it, it wouldn't be THAT much of a problem. Sharing scores with others wouldn't be a problem, we have screenshots for that :D I mean, there's no SuperPi ORB either. However, once a new piece of hardware gets released, things might get really complicated - imagine you have the newest kick-a$$ card by <insert your favourite GPU manifacturer here>, you get 35k in 03 and 20k in 05, and you can't run 3DMark2k1 because it's too old for your card...
On the other hand side, it's been quite a while since the last 2k1 patch anyway, and it's still working fine with every card out there...

[zakelwe]

Well I read all 157 posts in that thread and then find it is locked before I could have my say, which always really gets my goat. Also, you can tell Neeyik is from Beyond3d, they are totally video card orientated over there and sometimes fail to see the bigger picture.

What worries me is Futuremarks attitude to their own product. They still seem to think it is the gamers benchmark, however it stopped being solely the gamers benchmark they took the decision to have league tables in place. From the day they decided that it became a benchers benchmark as well, not only that but a very popular one also. Would 3dmark be as popular without the tables ?

As well as the tables Futuremark went one step further when they introduced charging to the end users, surely those end users now have some say in how the company progresses ? I know they get lots of money from nvidia , Ati etc but that is all tied into how popular their product is again with people who use it. If people do not use it then Ati or nvidia will not be paying either.

It concerns me that Worm and Futuremark are "surprised" how popular 2001 still is, do they not know why their product is popular ? :confused:

In regards to a new 3dmark, comments above by other XS members such as Kunaak and Charlie are spot on, we know 2001 now is out of date but we also know why it is popular, so why not bring a new version . Surely that is a company's dream, just rehash something old and save on delevelopement costs and the worry it might not be popular. Look at the new Ford GT based on the Ford GT40 for how to do this.

The great things about 2001 are

1) It has tests that can be run independently or in different order
2) It has tests that are dependent on cpu, memory and graphics
3) It has tests that people have a feel for and so can tell if it is bugged or a wrong setting is being used.
4) It allows tweaking on varous levels.

Now that cpu and memory speed can be changed on the fly in Windows easily 1) above takes on even more importance.

So what we want for 3dmark2006 is the following , exact same format as 3dmark2001 but running at 1280x1024 ( probably most common screen resolution nowadays ? ) and with 2 low polygon low shader DX8 , 2 high polygon large shader DX8 and 2 DX9 games one of which also equires a lot of cpu power. There's no reason why you cannot have an extreme DX9 level which also requires a lot of cpu power. The game should be multicpu enabled of course as we are entering the dual core world .....

However, I doubt we will get this ( apart from the last) , instead we will probably, if current record is to be followed, get 2 games both very gpu bound and very very boring.

Until nv40/r420 2001 was nicely balanced and you needed a nicely balanced system, 03 and 05 are not balanced, and this is shown by the over-inflated scores of SLi systems.

Regards

Andy

[GazC]

Even if they drop it, it wouldn't be THAT much of a problem. Sharing scores with others wouldn't be a problem, we have screenshots for that :D I mean, there's no SuperPi ORB either. However, once a new piece of hardware gets released, things might get really complicated - imagine you have the newest kick-a$$ card by <insert your favourite GPU manifacturer here>, you get 35k in 03 and 20k in 05, and you can't run 3DMark2k1 because it's too old for your card...
On the other hand side, it's been quite a while since the last 2k1 patch anyway, and it's still working fine with every card out there...

You are right, but the problem with sharing screenshots is that all I'd need to beat OPPAINTER then is a P3 a Riva TNT and paint ;)

The good thing about the '01 orb is that it is hard to submit a cheat score and cheat scores are very obvious to anyone who has used '01 regularly.

We cannot trust everyone out there :(

[DarkManX_BG]

You are right, but the problem with sharing screenshots is that all I'd need to beat OPPAINTER then is a P3 a Riva TNT and paint ;)

The good thing about the '01 orb is that it is hard to submit a cheat score and cheat scores are very obvious to anyone who has used '01 regularly.

We cannot trust everyone out there :(
Sure, trust is an important issue here. But if we can recognize the few cheat scores on the ORB, why shouldn't we be able to recognize a fake screenshot as well? Of course, there will always be someone trying to cheat (and maybe succeeding), but I don't think it'll be that bad.
I know for sure that even if 3DMark2001 really gets dropped by FM, I'll keep using it, sharing my results with others and making small competitions against other people on this and other forums :)

[$0m#0n#]

Is it hard 2 make a mix of of the 01/03/05? like Car high & low & lobby low from 01, GT1 from 03 & one of the 05 tests?

[GazC]

Is it hard 2 make a mix of of the 01/03/05? like Car high & low & lobby low from 01, GT1 from 03 & one of the 05 tests?


It'd probably make it a huge download. That's three different rendering engines in one download.

[$0m#0n#]

It'd probably make it a huge download. That's three different rendering engines in one download.500MB 'd b ok I think, not so much

[zakelwe]

I think Futuremarks thought on the matter is they do not go backwards on DX level, and therefore as 05 is purely DX9 then the next 3dmark will also be purely DX9, presumably even more complex.

Assuming that this is thus a given then what is needed is a very complex DX9 game which also puts a large stress on the mutlicore cpu for some of the tests so the cpu matters when the game is released and not 3 years down the line.

Regards

Andy

[Rauf]

i love 3dmark01, but the problem is that it is too old now. It is not a balanced benchmark anymore and it will just get worse with every new generation of video cards. It's already too CPU/RAM dependent; what will happen with the next generation GPUs?
So we need a new benchmark, but who will produce it? If Futuremark gets alot of money from ATI/NVidia as 'zakelwe' says, Futuremark will continue with benchmarks that are only GPU dependent.

Perhaps this problem will be solved with the new GPUs, and 03 will take over where 01 left off? who knows...

[ArcTan]

Sound like 3DMark03 combined with SuperPi to me :p:maybe you're onto something
3D Pi, Super PI 3D
:lol:

[DarkManX_BG]

maybe you're onto something
3D Pi, Super PI 3D
:lol:
3,14DMark ;)

[perry_78]

I personally dont care. But dont retire it before I beat 30K with a 6600GT ;)

[$0m#0n#]

3,14DMark ;)rofl

[blinky]

another problem is that with 03 and 05 u cant distinguish between single gpu scores and multi gpu scores.. so people who cant buy two cards cant compete anymore :(

[$0m#0n#]

another problem is that with 03 and 05 u cant distinguish between single gpu scores and multi gpu scores.. so people who cant buy two cards cant compete anymore :(no SLI :frag: no SLI :frag: no SLI :frag: no SLI :frag:

:D

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow I was disapointed when I heard news of this. so how long does 2001 have left? 6 months before the just delete the whole orb????? futuremark would be shooting themselves in the foot cause 2001 is most popular by far and some people even base their upgrades partially on that benchmark. I really hope they reconsider

[don_vercetti]

they hardly lose out if a bunch of people who don't gain them any money stop posting on the orb do they.....
but i agree, 3d2001 is a good bench and should keep going.

[isp]

So why are they still selling it? If I were to buy it today and it dissapears in a couple months I wouldn't like that...they going to upgrade 2001 users? Aren't they technically taking away a product we payed for?

[Dumo]

This sucks :(...but I knew it was coming eventually.
The benchmark might not have any relavance to todays games, but it's a big deal to me and prolly the other guys going for top spots.
03' and 05' are no fun and too gpu dependant.
I have no motivation to run either.

We need a 3d benchmark that is equally balanced on cpu, gpu, and memory subystem. Makes it so much more fun to squeeze every last point out of your rig.Righ on mark :toast:

[DrJay]

Aren't they technically taking away a product we payed for?
...exactly.

Myself, I would rather they did away with '03. Just keep '01 and '05. It kinda pisses me off that '03 scores I worked to achieve several months or longer ago now have to be filtered for an older build to even be seen.

[mdzcpa]

Cmon guys.....I suppose they could bring back 3DMark 99 as well. :rolleyes: Like 01, it was very system dependent as well. But that doesn't make it desirable.

At some point you have to realize that a benchmark becomes obsolete. Although it may be tons of fun for those who compete, for real benchmark purposes, 01 is irrelevant now. Its just too old. It cannot even measure DX9 performance that's been around for years now.

Again, I'm not saying 01 has no value. Just not as a benchmark anymore.

Moving forward, one thing I do agree with, is that the benchmark should be much more system wide balanced like 01 was. If we can get that, than the demise of 01 would be more palatable. It would be cool to see FX single card guys battling with budget CPUs and SLI. There would more combinations of hardware to get you good scores. That would be fun.

[DrJay]

I suppose they could bring back 3DMark 99 as well. C'mon now, let's not be ridiculous,......maybe 3DMark99Max. :D


At some point you have to realize that a benchmark becomes obsolete. Although it may be tons of fun for those who compete, for real benchmark purposes, 01 is irrelevant now.

I think in a way they are all a little irrelevant. To me, the real difference is; which one do I find entertaining/fun.

Jay

[mdzcpa]

I think in a way they are all a little irrelevant.

Perhaps so. But a well designed benchmark shouldn't be.

Either way, I think FM better hit the next one out of the park or they will be in trouble. FM has lost a lot of credibility with 03 and 05.

[Dissolved]

Perhaps so. But a well designed benchmark shouldn't be.

Either way, I think FM better hit the next one out of the park or they will be in trouble. FM has lost a lot of credibility with 03 and 05.


you don't even have a 2k1 link in your sig, Shame on you!

[mdzcpa]

Lol....I haven't benched 01 in almost a year now. In fact, the only reason I even have my 03 and 05 scores in my sig is to show potential customers what my Gaming SLI rigs can do:)

I'm not a competitive bencher anymore...I prefer building "real" 24/7 gaming and power user systems that folks can actually use. Perhaps that explains my attitude towards the demise of 3D01.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I think we can relax for now, I just read the end of his thread:

I think this thread is more or less done. Thanks for all your input. What, when and how the support for 2001 SE will end is not set or yet decided.

Then he locked it. I know 2001 is gonna end oneday but having no "doom day" is a good thing. would be ok if it lasted another year, great if it lasted two.

[charlie]

I've always had this idea for a 3D benchmark, let me share:
Benchmark can be run 2 ways, in SOLO mode and in competition mode.
It is a drag strip, with thousands of screaming fans in the seats... a Top Fuel Dragster wheels around from the pits into the bleach box and lights up the tires in giant clouds of acrid white smoke. As the smoke clears, the car rolls up to the christmas tree... the heat from the engine makes heat waves and the green, yellow and red lights flicker. The light turns green and the driver puts the hammer down and launches the car, the tires wrinkle and propel the car down the strip covering the 1/4 mile in less than 5 seconds and the parachute is deployed and the car slows....

Now imagine the shader effects.... the smoke, the heat, the backfiring flames from the exhaust, the parachute deploment, the detail in the crowd, teh gleaming reflection coming off the paint finish as reflections...

And the BEST part!!!!!!

In COMPETITION MODE, you can select another benchmark off the ORB and load this benchmark as an OPPONENT. So you could LOAD OPPAINTER'S bench and race "him".... lol watching his car finish like 3 cars ahead of yours...

thoughts?? Maybe someone should tell worm/FM about my idea.... they could use my idea at little cost :stick: just giving me lifetime FX's, Mobo's and GPU's, :D

C

[Geforce4ti4200]

isnt thats what compare bars are for? Its funny to see our nature bars, mine is just a stub compared to his :D

[charlie]

isnt thats what compare bars are for? Its funny to see our nature bars, mine is just a stub compared to his :D

maybe you're not getting it... when you're chasing the guy in front of yo on the ORB, with whatever GPU just load his bench results and if your car beats him in the bench, you made a better run (more 3DMarks) it's graphical and exciting to watch...

Wonder how much $$ it would cost to have a 1 minute benchmark created as above by TOP game design folks... and create the infrastructure for an "ORB"???? Yeah, that's it! The CHARLIE-ORB....hmmmmm

C

[JWB]

I mean, there's no SuperPi ORB either.

Here it is: http://www16.big.or.jp/~bunnywk/cgi-bin/superpi.cgi

[isp]

Charlie is loaded with ideas...:thumbsup:
... better be careful with what you share publicly or they might pull an asetek on ya ;)

[perry_78]

no SLI :frag: no SLI :frag: no SLI :frag: no SLI :frag:

:D

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I hate SLI as well - viva la single GFX! Even though I have an SLI motherboard, I prefer one card.

To keep this post at least somewhat intellectual, I think it's because of the same reason why I won't flock to dual core CPUs. More components interdependent on each other for performance/oc and especially in the graphics section, the differentiating between one GPU and multi GPU.

[bias_hjorth]

I've always had this idea for a 3D benchmark, let me share:
Benchmark can be run 2 ways, in SOLO mode and in competition mode.
It is a drag strip, with thousands of screaming fans in the seats... a Top Fuel Dragster wheels around from the pits into the bleach box and lights up the tires in giant clouds of acrid white smoke. As the smoke clears, the car rolls up to the christmas tree... the heat from the engine makes heat waves and the green, yellow and red lights flicker. The light turns green and the driver puts the hammer down and launches the car, the tires wrinkle and propel the car down the strip covering the 1/4 mile in less than 5 seconds and the parachute is deployed and the car slows....

Now imagine the shader effects.... the smoke, the heat, the backfiring flames from the exhaust, the parachute deploment, the detail in the crowd, teh gleaming reflection coming off the paint finish as reflections...

And the BEST part!!!!!!

In COMPETITION MODE, you can select another benchmark off the ORB and load this benchmark as an OPPONENT. So you could LOAD OPPAINTER'S bench and race "him".... lol watching his car finish like 3 cars ahead of yours...

thoughts?? Maybe someone should tell worm/FM about my idea.... they could use my idea at little cost :stick: just giving me lifetime FX's, Mobo's and GPU's, :D

C

Now the most scary part is that I had similar thoughts once.. The WOULD truely be awesome. A bit hard to implant cause most cars wouldnt even get to the start line before the gurus make it to goal.. :D
What is it about you and cars anyway :cool: :p:

[perry_78]

charlie, that would be awesome! VPGU adjustments along the way, pouring that LN2 into the tube like a madman :D

[Bennah]

It would be a sad day if 3D 01 was gone but if replaced with another overall benchmark then it would be alright. People who then become to love the new 'overall' benchmark and would forget about 3D 01... some time or another anyways :D

When the day does come, Im going to be felling sorry for GeForce :(

Any results, mhz overclocking, fsb overclocking, super pi etc... GeForce is always there "What about 3DMark 01. Any results?" and his predictions. I feel that apart of GeForce would be gone aswell when 3DMark 01 goes.

I think its a matter of time before it goes but we have to enjoy it whilst we can. Try and get XtremeSystems 3D Team at the top of every category going ;)

[charlie]

And then when the benchie concludes... the frame of the finish line, cars nose to nose would be the test result screen!! Then you could post a screenie and say like I OWNZ U, with your car like a wheel ahead of the other guy :D

[mdzcpa]

And then when the benchie concludes... the frame of the finish line, cars nose to nose would be the test result screen!! Then you could post a screenie and say like I OWNZ U, with your car like a wheel ahead of the other guy :D


Sweeeet idea Charlie! You know my passion for drag racing!!

[megahurtz-oc]

wow didnt know u guys liked drags. anyone else here race? i race super pro myself. and have my comp license to go as fast as 7.50s:) only ben 8.60 though :(

[G H Z]

I've raced....unofficially;)

Charlie good idea man :toast:

As far as retiring '01 it seems inevitable, and I doub't that it will be replaced with anything close to it......:(
Personally I think '05 is the ugiest benchmark they have released to date. '03 is not bad I guess so it will have to do when '01 is gone.

[charlie]

let me convert some slides to CD, I'll show you a fun car ;)

C

[mdzcpa]

Wow...that's pretty cool megahurtz-oc! 8.60s......daaaaayum that's fast!

I'm not nearly that serious about it. I just drag my 500hp blown Marauder into the low 12's. High 11's are on the horizon this spring with winter upgrades (31 spline axles, trans shift kit, 2 more PSI, and custom race fuel tune). Not bad for a daily driver that weighs in at 4200 lbs.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/638000-638999/638955_13.jpg

Okay...sorry for the OT!

[perkam]

I'm not nearly that serious about it. I just drag my 500hp blown Marauder into the low 12's. High 11's are on the horizon this spring with winter upgrades (31 spline axles, trans shift kit, 2 more PSI, and custom race fuel tune). Not bad for a daily driver that weighs in at 4200 lbs.

Nice :D but I prefer Naturally Aspirated power...LOL I'd get flamed in a mustang forum even mentioning that :lol:

At any rate, I think FM has the resources to put into motion Charlie's idea with little difficulty and end up with a nice "fun" 01 replacement with 03/05/07 being the serious one. I'd still love to see a benchie that isnt so GPU dependent though :rolleyes:

Perkam

[mdzcpa]

I'd still love to see a benchie that isnt so GPU dependent though

Amen.

[annoncompgeek]

When the turbo went out on my lx 4 cylinder i made an awe inspiring 18 second pass belching smoke i didnt see until i was crossing the finish lights. Someone should make a rendering benchmark of that.It would take a heck of a gpu to render 6 quarts of oil being vaporized and the fans on the sidelines choking. The cpu dependent part could be the audio at the end when i popped the hood and started uterring explatives.

[gkiing]

Since Futuremark doesn't want it, maybe they should just give it XS. We can rename and Host it:D

OPP

I definatly agree with you opp.

[M.Beier]

Ohh, crap crap crap...

01SE is one of the best benchmarks :(
03 stinks, lots of bugs in it - for instance, it resets my graphic settings @ high quality instead of high performance... :( - Reactivated themes...

05 is the benchmark to bench gfx, and only gfx....

03 is lame - just lame

01SE benches all around...

Well seems like the one's caring about all-around performance has to go for the Aquamark3, aye?

Best regards
1 2 know

*This is very sad news, I think*

[blinky]

8.6!!!!!!!!! daym megahutrz-oc... that is ... wow

can we get some specs, in another thread in wampateers or something :slobber:

[Eversor]

3Dmark 2001 is the best benchmark ever.

I still remember benching it and having 500 3dmarks, with crappy duron and integrated graphics.
Four years later i´m at 24k.

2000 was discontinued because it didn´t scalled well enough, if u remember when we were close to 2003 lauch, the 2000 and 2001 bench results were almost equal.

It seems to me 2001 is, and will be representative of current games, since they also tend to use alot of cpu and memory subsystem, for current increasing demands in physics and A.I. calculation.

I can´t see a 6800Ultra running HL2 in a 1GHz pc at decent performance, and still u would probably get higher benches on 03/05 than on say, a 64 3200 with a 6600GT.

The only problem i see with 2001 is not supporting dual-core stuff, wich will eventually lead to unrealistic performance. But not till one year from now, when dual-core software starts to really pick up.

EDIT:

At futuremark they´re argueing that 2001 is being less usefull because of very cpu dependancy.
True, it isn´t SSE2/3 optimized now, wich would help alot, but also the cpu power has increased alot less than it should the past years. This last generation of graphics cards have really doubled the performance in one year, not to speak SLI, and cpu´s haven´t done the same. Think we´ve increased, mainstream, no overclocking, some 30% in one year.


I vote for a reviewd 2001se. 2001 with SSE2/3, multi-core support, etc, would really kick ass.

[perry_78]

No, the ending should be a drag car slamming and burning. The title screen "43,345 point".

OPPAINTER GOT OWNED - Thats how it should look like ;) In regards to drags in DK, with cars bearing a 180% tax its difficult to afford anything that goes more than 250km/h unless you "unlock" a BMW ;)

[UnreaL]

I definatly agree with you opp.

There selfish gits, they wouldnt do that :p:

So:
a) they cant sell because it has 3rd party source code
b) they cant give because it has 3rd party source code

What we need to do is find every 3rd party that was involved and get them to sign for it to be open...

Then the tricky part, getting FM to do something.

[megahurtz-oc]

Wow...that's pretty cool megahurtz-oc! 8.60s......daaaaayum that's fast!

I'm not nearly that serious about it. I just drag my 500hp blown Marauder into the low 12's. High 11's are on the horizon this spring with winter upgrades (31 spline axles, trans shift kit, 2 more PSI, and custom race fuel tune). Not bad for a daily driver that weighs in at 4200 lbs.

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/2/web/638000-638999/638955_13.jpg

Okay...sorry for the OT!

sweet:) very nice for 4200 lbs...........

the vega in my sig is a super street car which means it runs a 10.90 heads up class on a pro tree. it can run 9.90s uncapped. justa 350 v8 at 610 hp shifts at 7200rpm:) my other is a dragster that runs 8.60s:)

[DGeNeRaT3]

@Charlie, that is the coolest idea i have ever heard! :D being able to load up someone elses "run" and racing against it is so awesome on so many levels! i can see it now staying up all night tweaking and tweaking and still not being able to beat OPP's score lol....

DGeNeRaT3

[GazC]

There selfish gits, they wouldnt do that :p:

So:
a) they cant sell because it has 3rd party source code
b) they cant give because it has 3rd party source code

What we need to do is find every 3rd party that was involved and get them to sign for it to be open...

Then the tricky part, getting FM to do something.

Doesn't '01 use the Max Payne engine? That'd give us a starting point.

[perry_78]

Even better:




OPPAINTER - IS - :owned: by Juliette

:D That's how I imagine it.

[dippyskoodlez]

maybe you're not getting it... when you're chasing the guy in front of yo on the ORB, with whatever GPU just load his bench results and if your car beats him in the bench, you made a better run (more 3DMarks) it's graphical and exciting to watch...

Wonder how much $$ it would cost to have a 1 minute benchmark created as above by TOP game design folks... and create the infrastructure for an "ORB"???? Yeah, that's it! The CHARLIE-ORB....hmmmmm

C

as awesome of an idea that is, it would create an inconsistant benchmark if you "raced" someone ;)

You would have to only be able to "score" in solo mode or something, cuz everyone'd be racing pentium 100's with crap video, so they dont have to render the other car, an dget a higher score
:p:

Cool idea tho. Maybe we need to develop an XS benchie? just need programmers.. im sure we gots plenty of testers. lol!




The only problem i see with 2001 is not supporting dual-core stuff, wich will eventually lead to unrealistic performance. But not till one year from now, when dual-core software starts to really pick up.


Dual core support isnt gonna be a "representation of true performance" until all of the games are being designed for dual cores. max payne isnt gonna play better on a dual core 2.4ghz a64 than it would a 2.4ghz a64, unless it is capable of using it... :stick: It isnt a magical 2.4+2.4=4.8 effective speed....

[_Eduard_]

The thread on FM has been locked. words from the admin:


I think this thread is more or less done. Thanks for all your input. What, when and how the support for 2001 SE will end is not set or yet decided.

The sourcecode for 3DMark2001SE can not be "open sourced" as it contains code from third party members. Handing the ORB to some other site(s) is not possible either. The ORB for 2001 is the same as for our other benchmarks, so handing out the ORB for 2001 would mean that we would hand out the whole ORB. Besides, if we would do it, the client would still need to be patched in order to make the submission to some other location. Just not possible.

We will keep you 2001 benchers up-to-date what and when things are changing.

Cheers,

Nick

Doesn't sound too good

[saaya]

I AGREE that FM should scrap '01.......

ONLY IF!!!! it is to be replaced with a new 3DMark benchie that gauges the power of CPU + GPU + MEMORY SUBSYSTEM kinda like use 2 or 3 dx7 tests, a couple dx8 tests and a couple dx9 tests....
C

xactly!
we need a system performence bench... IF they should drop a benchmark its 2003!!! 2005 is just like 2003 except that it looks much better and meassures the performence much better... at least in my opinion...

i hope they can come up with a system performence bench like 2k1 but with the same options and features like in 2005.

[ZX7891]

just an update, incase you havent noticed, 3dmark01 is now official discontinued

[jayjaya29]

Oh well. It was going to end sooner or later. I hope they come out with a benchmark that tests like '01 did.

[NickS]

just an update, incase you havent noticed, 3dmark01 is now official discontinued

:gasp:

I bet it'll be used far into 07 at this rate.

Nick

[rozzyroz]

maybe you're not getting it... when you're chasing the guy in front of yo on the ORB, with whatever GPU just load his bench results and if your car beats him in the bench, you made a better run (more 3DMarks) it's graphical and exciting to watch...

Wonder how much $$ it would cost to have a 1 minute benchmark created as above by TOP game design folks... and create the infrastructure for an "ORB"???? Yeah, that's it! The CHARLIE-ORB....hmmmmm

C
so like your overall fps would be your finishing mph in the bench?

sort of like 3dmark2000 where the test just runs faster, but has a set number of frames, so it looks like the test is in super fast motion?

sounds good to me :clap:

[ZX7891]

sounds like am3?

[don_vercetti]

just an update, incase you havent noticed, 3dmark01 is now official discontinued

What effect will this have?

As far as i can see, the '01 ORB is still up. So what's actually been discontinued, just distribution of '01?

[timpanogos]

Sorry dumb question, is not the cpu only test on 3dmark05/06 a good cpu/memory test? I know when I pushed my oc to the max, I would blow in the 05 cpu test - had a bottom line 6600gt

[massman]

I hope one day the futuremark developers will notice that their product are not just game-benchmarks.

If they made a benchmark with dx7, dx8 and dx9 game tests, also the older gpu's will be able to run it.

Being able to adjust the gpu clocks each test seperatly and use different run orders is the most fun part of 3dm01. Too bad futuremark doesn't realise this :(

[GoriLLakoS]

Where at futuremark site says that 3dmark01 is now official discontinued?????????????????I can't find nothing...

[GoThr3k]

maybe the support for the benchmark is dicontinued

[Hystrix^]

This is :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[C Stat B]

Where at futuremark site says that 3dmark01 is now official discontinued?????????????????I can't find nothing...

On the download page it lists 01 under the Discontinued products.

[funkflix]

:( :(

Hope they will continue it on the ORB for a while!

[Moonman]

I also hope that they will keep ORB for 2k1. :(
It's my favourite 3d mark. :)

[HousERaT]

I also hope they keep the ORB active for 2001SE. My best bench by far, how will I survive without it? :sick:

[Viss]

The following products are no longer supported by Futuremark. You can still download and run them, but the on-line services and support are no longer available.

Hope that doesnt include the ORB (which wouldnt make sense because its stil on obviously). Best 3Dmark by far imho.

[SoF]

The real end I see - the 100k barrier...this would be a worthy official end.



But I will never stop benching 2001 until the hardware and drivers allowing it :fact:

[Gamer]

3D01 was the first test I ever did :(

duron 800@ 880 :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=402490


vote +1 for maintaining the ORB !!

[Sneaky]

even if they remove 2k1 from ORB, it will still be ran, and it won't be over until we hit 100,000 on 3D Mark 2001

[Hicks]

About dam time.

3D benchies are supposed to be close to representing games, and stress your GPU. People with GPU's 2 generations older than mine can whoop my ass, yet who has the better 3d platform?

[NickS]

If they stop the ORB people will come up with a different site to submit results or something.. there is so much support for 3D01 from the benchers and overclockers, and the whole OC'ing community, it's crazy.

Nick

[Qkjhfhaiguihfma]

noobs

http://x002.uploaderx.net/x/3dmark.png


:cool: :cool:

[ZX7891]

About dam time.

3D benchies are supposed to be close to representing games, and stress your GPU. People with GPU's 2 generations older than mine can whoop my ass, yet who has the better 3d platform?


anyone with a big pocketbook can take 05/6

in order to tweak for 01, you need skills, it seperates the noobs from the knowleged