Tyan dual Opteron board quicker than DFI in 3dmark05

[zakelwe]

Interesting, according to Firingsquad review

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_nforce4_sli_roundup/page20.asp

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_nforce4_sli_roundup/images/intmem.gif

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_nforce4_sli_roundup/images/fpumem.gif

I am not sure I agree with their analysis on why, 3dmark05 only takes the game tests for the score, not cpu tests and I did not think the game tests could take advantage of having 2 cpu's. Maybe it is just the huge bandwidth that gives the extra few hundred points ? If that is the case then this should also provide good 2001 and 03 scores.

The other problem of course is that using 2x Asus 6800U even at stock you should surely get mre than 5-6k ? Is the article just not worth the paper it is not printed on ?

Maybe this review does not stack up, but I'd like to find out more. The Tyan does not overclock well but it is likely the Iwill dual board using nforce4 SLi will.

Regards

Andy

[blinky]

i hope we dont start to need to buy two procs

oc'ing is too expensive as it is :(

[STEvil]

only things I can guess are that the new chipset is a bit more efficient and/or there is 4/2-bank interleving enabled on the tyan and not the DFI.

[Jamo]

i'm a little skeptical of that review, as i cant see how the SLi motherboards give that much variety in their results, eg. a 700 point spread in 05 seems alot if you ask me, also if you fast forward to the gaming review then the opterons hit the bottom of the pile

[Kunaak]

theres one major difference between Dual CPU SLI boards and regular NF4's...
atleast, this is if I remmeber the information correct, cause I read this a million times over at 2CPU.com forums.
"Dually NF4's have 16x2 lanes so both videocards can run as fast as possible, regular NF4's run in a 16x 8x configuration..."

I think...

[sl1m shady]

it sounds too logic, this guy thrown out very good results with no OC...

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=45964

[Xogun]

The Tyan K8WE is the only motherboard with true SLI 16x wich is 16x2.
Each cpu runs one pcix.

[craig588]

The Opteron requires registered ram.

Any gains you might gain from running slightly faster PCI-E busses will be eliminated once you start overclocking the thing. You get stuck at 230MHz@3-3-3 or you could have a 939 that can do 270MHz@2-2-2

[Xogun]

The Opteron requires registered ram.

Any gains you might gain from running slightly faster PCI-E busses will be eliminated once you start overclocking the thing. You get stuck at 230MHz@3-3-3 or you could have a 939 that can do 270MHz@2-2-2

Not True,

for now the tyan is cabable to 240 at 2.6v -> voltages out of the box.

[craig588]

That still isn't close to 270.

[jjcom]

The Opteron requires registered ram.

Not all Opterons, I believe CG and later revisions do NOT need registered RAM.

jjcom

[Kunaak]

if the tyan boards don't even offer overclocking features, then it wouldn't be too hard to pass in benchmarks with a regular overclocking board.

[mcnbns]

In turn, the K8WE doesn’t need a special SLI connector to configure the board’s x16 slots. Each runs at full-speed all of the time, regardless of how many graphics cards are being used, resulting in unbridled SLI performance. That’s one motherboard with a total of 40 lanes of PCIe, 32 of which are exposed.
Kunaak's first post was completely correct.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_nforce4_sli_roundup/page10.asp
^2nd last paragraph

EDIT: I see Xogun agrees with Kunaak. :)

[zakelwe]

It looks as if the IWILL board will have some overclockign options so I am going to keep an eye out at 2cpu.com to see how far epople get with those.

regards

Andy

[bubblethumper]

I think those articles are correct.

A guy over at Hardforums has a dual opteron system with SLI that beats the Dual LN2 system we keep hearing about.

Here's what I know about his run:

12,844 3Dmark05

Dual QuadroFX 4400 SLI @ 400/550

I'm too lazy to dig up his hardware specs, but I think he's got dual Opty 250s, Dual Quadro 4400s, and 8 gigs of ram.

He uses it primarily for medical imaging, but likes to game too

[zakelwe]

I think those articles are correct.

A guy over at Hardforums has a dual opteron system with SLI that beats the Dual LN2 system we keep hearing about.

Here's what I know about his run:

12,844 3Dmark05

Dual QuadroFX 4400 SLI @ 400/550

I'm too lazy to dig up his hardware specs, but I think he's got dual Opty 250s, Dual Quadro 4400s, and 8 gigs of ram.

He uses it primarily for medical imaging, but likes to game too

Gotta link ?

Regards

Andy

[bubblethumper]

Gotta link ?

Regards

Andy

This is a copy of his sig:


Dual Optron 252s, Tyan 2895scsi, dual SLI-ed QuadroFX 4400s 512mb each;(4) 400GB SATA-2 RAID drives -1.45Terabytes of Storage, Windows Enterprise Server 2003 64-bit.... and plenty of blue lights.

Looks like he's got 16gigs of ram. He also used to have 6800 Ultras in SLI before switching over to Quadros. These quadros go for $2500 each!

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/7681/venturi22lx.th.jpg (http://img114.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img114&image=venturi22lx.jpg)

I'm not sure what the deal is with his scores not being published, but I think he's had problems getting futuremark to accept the score because they are quadros

Anyway, he's a thread on his killer machine (on AIR to boot): hardforum thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=882064&page=1)

[saaya]

hahaha quadros... can you say waste of money? ^^
and what good is 16gb of ram?

unless hes doing cad or or 3d stuff... then the quadros and the ramd are worth it :)

the guys at firigsquads dont do very good reviews and articles unfortunatel, they should have run the board with one and with 2 cpus and see what the difference would be.

[bubblethumper]

can you say waste of money? ^^


Actually he uses it for medical imaging. So I'd wager to say that it's NOT a waste of money for him.

[Kunaak]

just curious, but what kinda medical imaging requires that kinda power??

[bubblethumper]

just curious, but what kinda medical imaging requires that kinda power??

I don't know the guy personally, but i know that it's pretty easy to have files that are 2gigs+

Then when you talk about looking at more than one at a time.... well...

[jjcom]

yeah, working with large files can really be bad unless you've got the RAM to back it. :( that much RAM...amazing...:toast: to this guy

jjcom

[Rave]

The Tyan board supports NUMA don't forget, memory bandwidth is not really an issue;). Interested to hear that later Opterons might not require registered RAM too- can anyone verify this?

[craig588]

Are there any single chip Opteron boards that overclock well? An opteron 140 (If they can now work without regged ram) is like 200$ for all of the features of an FX55 except for clock speed which can easily be recovered with a high HTT.

[sinsinking]

he can do storage of his temp file in ram drive.
Or open all application he needs at the same time.
16Giga ram.. LOL, even 1giga i feel enough for personal use.
Not my type, but i love to see the score with this monster config.

[zakelwe]

that guy with the quadros seems to have then running at 400/550 ( 1100) in one of the threads, which is puzzling considering his high score .. am I missing something here ? :confused: :confused:

Regards

Andy

[Wrench]

hahaha quadros... can you say waste of money? ^^
and what good is 16gb of ram?

unless hes doing cad or or 3d stuff... then the quadros and the ramd are worth it :)

the guys at firigsquads dont do very good reviews and articles unfortunatel, they should have run the board with one and with 2 cpus and see what the difference would be.


Well its like saying your a waste of atoms and space. But since I don't do personal remarks I will not say that. I think your post was extremly arrogant and ignorant.


Quadros are really nice cards especially the 4000+ (the fx line sucked hardcore)
When your dealing with human lives it doesn't seem like a big deal to spend $5000+ on cards. I worked with engineers that spent that much on cards, and since they put their names and reputation (as well as jobs) on the line on every drawing they do its a wise spending choice. Having two software hacked 6800 ultras is not the same as quadros, you never know about the stability and reliability. I personnaly wouldn't phuck with human lives over 4000 bucks, mal-practice lawsuits are more then 5000 dollars.

I have had assemblies that were 6 gigs in size, and having 4 gigs or ram realy made the chore that much more unbareable. (all kinds of hacks to get it to work)

I have seen some realy large drawings that take up to 25+ minutes to load, the more ram the better.

I personaly do cg stuff on the side and I cringe at files that take up more then 2 gigs of ram.

[bubblethumper]

that guy with the quadros seems to have then running at 400/550 ( 1100) in one of the threads, which is puzzling considering his high score .. am I missing something here ? :confused: :confused:

Regards

Andy

I think the diferent between his score and what we're seeing on single processor ultra machines can be attributed to the following:

512mb of ram PER video card
3dmark05's cpu tests do have some multi-threaded content (as indicated by Hexus.net's 840XE preview)
Full PCI-X Bandwidth avail to BOTH video cards


I also think 3dmark05 is CPU limited at ultra-high clocks in SLI.

Also, lets not forget that his scores were nothing special when he was running Dual 250s and a pair of ultras. When he stepped up to dual 252s and quaddros, he got the major boost in score

[zakelwe]

I think the diferent between his score and what we're seeing on single processor ultra machines can be attributed to the following:

512mb of ram PER video card
3dmark05's cpu tests do have some multi-threaded content (as indicated by Hexus.net's 840XE preview)
Full PCI-X Bandwidth avail to BOTH video cards


I also think 3dmark05 is CPU limited at ultra-high clocks in SLI.

Also, lets not forget that his scores were nothing special when he was running Dual 250s and a pair of ultras. When he stepped up to dual 252s and quaddros, he got the major boost in score

The multithreading on the cpu tests does not get counted in the 3dmark05 score. 05 is not cpu limted either, even at 600Mhz gpu speeds, ask macci, The Stilt, Sampsa or Kamu.

Hmm, actually, looking at one of the links earlier in this thread to nvnews it's the same guy but with updated kit, in the nvnews article he got 11,113 stock which is not published either but is reasonable for 6800Ultra's. It's no higher than a none Tyan motherboard though so the dual PCI-X cannot be the deciding factor.

Macci, Opp and FUGGER all used 512MB boards at the recent Texas event and did not smash their records because of this, so I doubt it is that either.

It's all very puzzling ( unless he is making it up of course ) .

:confused: :confused:

Regards

Andy

[bubblethumper]

Macci, Opp and FUGGER all used 512MB boards at the recent Texas event and did not smash their records because of this, so I doubt it is that either.

512MB ATI boards. We're talking about Nvidia SLI here. Not to mention that the Texas event was hardly an environment for setting new records. They had a limited amount of time to work on their rigs and they were also not working in their home shops.

However, I'm still as puzzled as you

[zakelwe]

512MB ATI boards. We're talking about Nvidia SLI here. Not to mention that the Texas event was hardly an environment for setting new records. They had a limited amount of time to work on their rigs and they were also not working in their home shops.

However, I'm still as puzzled as you

Yeah true, maybe in SLi mode it is limited by RAM, I'm certainly not going to be buying the same kit just to find out though !

I'll snuffle around a bit see if I can get any pointers ....

Regards

Andy

[sandybeach]

macci got with his 6800u's 10,100 stock 100% the tyan scores 11k 1000 points faster
maccis stock run
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=712800

open your eyes the tyan is the only motherboard with dual nvidia chipsets "2020 and 2050" each running a pci-e slot "INDEPENDENTLY" at full speed on the market thats why it smashes any sli 939 board period!!!!!

its not like going from 4x to 8x agp on a 754 chipset for example not even close..

AND ITS NOT A DUAL 940 SLI THING IWILLS BOARD USES ONE NVIDIA CHIPSET AND AN AMD TUNNEL CHIPSET SO ITS DOESNT RUN AT 16X +16X EITHER!

tyan s2895
2x252 2.6ghz opterons
4x512 ddr 200mhz at 2-3-2-6 "2x512 for each cpu"
and maccis 640/1370mhz clocks would yeild a 2k5 score over 14,000

thats all that needs to be said about this

tyan 2895 is only board on market that can do sli like it does!!

EDIT: geez
-saaya

[zakelwe]

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Nice to meet you too, I can see your point but no need to be so rude.

It still does not explain the 12 800 stock though unless some other factor is also being added ( like the 512KB ram per card as well ).

Regards

Andy

EDIT: quote
-saaya

[sandybeach]

Z> That was directed to all that think the sli 939 is just as fast as this and that the Tyan's appoch to sli is not faster when it clearly spanks all others in sli..

He doesnt hit 12.8k stock.

12.8k is with gpu's overclocked alittle and with different drivers. The fast ones. The 71 series I bel.

Stock with 66.93's hes 1000+ points over the 939 rigs like macci's.

thats all we have to know 1000 poinbts in 3dmark 2k5 is like 40k vs 43k in 2k1 atm ;)

Its HUGE!!!

So again no offense to anyone in general. Just to those that keep tring to compare the Tyan as an equal when its miles ahead of the playing feild in sli tech atm. :)

[zakelwe]

Z> That was directed to all that think the sli 939 is just as fast as this and that the Tyan's appoch to sli is not faster when it clearly spanks all others in sli..

He doesnt hit 12.8k stock.

12.8k is with gpu's overclocked alittle and with different drivers. The fast ones. The 71 series I bel.

Stock with 66.93's hes 1000+ points over the 939 rigs like macci's.

thats all we have to know 1000 poinbts in 3dmark 2k5 is like 40k vs 43k in 2k1 atm ;)

Its HUGE!!!

So again no offense to anyone in general. Just to those that keep tring to compare the Tyan as an equal when its miles ahead of the playing feild in sli tech atm. :)



I'm not sure you can jump 1500 points just by switching drivers when the card clocks are still 400/550 ( he says himself they are stock speeds) , even at 500Mhz or so it is about 600-800 ie


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=540813

and

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=547729

at 400Mhz a change in driver would have about 80% of that so say 500-600.

So to me it is still puzzling that he can jump so high, maybe it is the extra RAM on the cards storing more textures, but it is not just the Tyan I'm afraid.

Regards

Andy