View Full Version : R520....for...AGP....Cant...breathe !!!!
perkam
03-09-2005, 08:46 AM
we learned that the next generation ATI part R520 chip codenamed Fudo will get an AGP version as well.ME GO :explode: !!!!!! Article here (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=21699) !!!
PErkam
alexio
03-09-2005, 08:58 AM
I think 8X agp would be a serious bottleneck. On avarage it will be like 10% slower then the PCI-Express card.
If you buy a $700 card, why wouldn't you buy a nice mobo with it?
ZeroHero
03-09-2005, 08:59 AM
That's so good :banana: So can we with AGP still bench r520. Not that I could never affrod so much as a r520 will cost.
Franky 4 Finger
03-09-2005, 09:00 AM
Will AGP really be a bottleneck? who can do the math?
alexio
03-09-2005, 09:07 AM
I mean, seeing the R520 with a crappy P4 breaking 40K in 3dmark 2001, you could imagine how fast this cards gonna be.
But we'll only know fur sure when the cards is released.
krille
03-09-2005, 10:12 AM
I mean, seeing the R520 with a crappy P4 breaking 40K in 3dmark 2001, you could imagine how fast this cards gonna be.
But we'll only know fur sure when the cards is released.
Are you talking about the driver-heaven stuff? Didn't know it was a confirmed case of R520. But then, it couldn't be anything else, really (G70 at driverheaven- bah!).
If you buy a $700 card, why wouldn't you buy a nice mobo with it?
It's not like the only people who buy new cards are pro-users. Lots of ppl (most i know) would be scared-to-death switching their mobo. Hell, they would be terrified even putting in a new GFX. Also, what if G70 came out as an AGP version, then ATI would lose one segment of the market for sure - the AGP. Imo, now that they have the "Rialto", I believe it's a smart move of ATI to finally utilize it.
Geforce4ti4200
03-09-2005, 12:22 PM
That guy was right after all. He claimed he works for ati and in another forum said there may be an agp verson but itll be the last high end agp card. he also said amr wont quite be ready this time either but who cares one r520 will beat two 6800s in sli. he also said there will be a pro with 24 pipes, an xt with 32 and expects the core to be around 600MHz(another ex ati worker said high 600s back when he was employeed)
as for agp being a bottleneck, thats what 512mb of video ram is for. I am more worried about the cpu being a serious bottleneck, especially on a barton or older p4
pik-ard v1.1
03-09-2005, 12:49 PM
gf4ti, i think ANY cpu that is out right now will be a bottleneck for R520... considering even FX's even are sometimes for x800xt's and such.
but think about it, why would ATI come out with rialto to use on just one generation of cards. and what... just the x800's at that?
Lot of people are probably glad to hear that, and it does seem somewhat hastely to abandon AGP users like that. I doubt many of us will care since we go through boards faster than underwear! :hehe:
My next board will be PCIE for sure.
Who wants to speculate if AGP will bottleneck this card? :2cents:
Kanavit
03-09-2005, 02:14 PM
Will AGP really be a bottleneck? who can do the math?
the bottleneck will come from CPU. agp still have plent of bandwith for today's gfx cards.
Dissolved
03-09-2005, 02:24 PM
well newegg zzf gameve all have the x850xtpe AGP verison so far..
Bah. Lets actually get some offcial specs before we all start spouting out bull :banana::banana::banana::banana: like Ti4200.
macci
03-09-2005, 03:07 PM
ATI part R520 chip codenamed Fudo
Fudo???
the funny part is that the guy who wrote the Inq. article is also called 'Fudo' :D
mr_knowitall15
03-09-2005, 06:46 PM
I think 8X agp would be a serious bottleneck. On avarage it will be like 10% slower then the PCI-Express card.
If you buy a $700 card, why wouldn't you buy a nice mobo with it?
yeah right, from what i read, agp8x isnt even really close to being "filled up" and the extra bandwidth wont really matter. yet.... plus, im happier than michael jackson at summer camp. i spent close to if not more than 2000 for this current system and dont wanna hafta get a whole new one to have the latest gfx.
jayjaya29
03-09-2005, 06:58 PM
Hmm, I've read up a little bit on AGP bandwidth and stuff like that, and from what I remember (which is very little), the AGP bandwidth has a lot left in it using the high-end AGP cards that are out now. The CPU will be the bottleneck for sure, even though this might be the case, this is awesome. Too bad it will cost an arm and a leg, or else I would consider it for my new video card upgrade.
zakelwe
03-09-2005, 11:09 PM
I'm still not convinced that R520 will be 24 or 32 pipes, more probably it will be 16 pipes at 600+Mhz with SM3.0+ and therefore will be the fastest single card solution but not the fastest configuration, ie SLi.
I doubt ATi will go to 24 pipes at the same time as going to 90nm process and adding SM3.0+ complexity, that is just too many risks.
Regards
Andy
alexio
03-09-2005, 11:51 PM
Remember 4X PCI-Express is equivilent to 8x AGP, I allso read an article about 16X PCI-Express vs 8X AGP vs 4X AGP; not much difference except in professional programs.
But still, I think the R520 is like twice as powerful as a X850 XT PE and seeing that games are getting more and more requiring using larger textures - certainly on highs resolutions -, 8X AGP might won't be fast enough anymore.
But we'll know when the time is there.
STEvil
03-10-2005, 12:38 AM
AGP/PCI has no bearing on performance until you start throwing swap file data across the bus because your videocard lacks enough memory for the framebuffer.
When that happens, performance plumets.
I'm still not convinced that R520 will be 24 or 32 pipes, more probably it will be 16 pipes at 600+Mhz with SM3.0+ and therefore will be the fastest single card solution but not the fastest configuration, ie SLi.
I doubt ATi will go to 24 pipes at the same time as going to 90nm process and adding SM3.0+ complexity, that is just too many risks.
Regards
Andy
I agree as well.
I can see it being SM3.0, 0.11, 512mb and memory at about 650 and core at about 600.
Geforce4ti4200
03-10-2005, 02:46 PM
its gonna be 90nm, 110nm does not have low K and ati would never get good clocks with it. A couple ati workers have also stated itll be 24 pipes and a 32 pipe verson too(perhaps for the refresh?) as for core, he said its in the high 600s the last time he heard
its gonna be 90nm, 110nm does not have low K and ati would never get good clocks with it. A couple ati workers have also stated itll be 24 pipes and a 32 pipe verson too(perhaps for the refresh?) as for core, he said its in the high 600s the last time he heard
Are you a betting person.
Id wager my Car on it not having 32 pipes :rolleyes:
Geforce4ti4200
03-10-2005, 03:45 PM
I dont bet and I am just going by what a couple ati guys said. we may see 24 pipe "pro" verson for now with 32 pipe "xt" as a refresh, but whats to say people might try to mod the pro to xt or maybe ati will release both to compete with nvidia's sli