XP rocks!!!!!!1111oneoneelevin

[scrible88]

I found this browsing around. Pretty funny.

http://daimyo.org/images/a5608f2d211e062348145fd8b83a3509-45_640x480.jpg

[Jackass]

rofl thats awesome

[MaxxxRacer]

gotta love windows... doing such poetic justice to themselves.

[saaya]

hahahaha lol nice :D

[boshi]

Typical :(

[lalPOOO]

Hardware problem :p:

[masterofpuppets]

Wow, that's just... incredibly funny! Haha! Microsoft lose yet again!!

[Disposibleteen]

does anyone smell some photochoppin on this one or is that just me?

[scrible88]

does anyone smell some photochoppin on this one or is that just me?

To me it looks very, very, veeery real. I think it would be difficult to fake a CRT monitor photo and have it look that incredibly real. :up:

[Disposibleteen]

To me it looks very, very, veeery real. I think it would be difficult to fake a CRT monitor photo and have it look that incredibly real. :up:
you could just have the image display full sreen, take a pic of your montior, and photoshop out the taskbar and such, it could be done!

[docah]

I've seen that screen before. I know it's real.
It wasn't windows fault :-P

[Crownie]

One of the reasons why I run a dual boot Linux/XP system.

[antipop]

One of the reasons why I run a dual boot Linux/XP system.
Or why my next comp will be a mac

[sllywhtboy]

yeah, xp does some pretty ironical stuff.

i like this one.. what happens when you walk away from your computer at a lan party while you're reloading it.. http://sllywhtboy.dyndns.org:81/gallery/album28/mvc_738x

[jjcom]

Good screen...what am I....I'm not quite dual boot since my Linux parition hasn't been ran since awhile ago...and I no longer have grub on my main drive...I need to get around to fixing that sometime

jjcom

[MaxxxRacer]

antipop i got some more tygon for your mac too....

[antipop]

antipop i got some more tygon for your mac too....
??? can you explain, i don't get it

[MaxxxRacer]

nvm... inside watercooling joke. go over to the WC section and see what i said in the ramcooling thread.. you wil get it then.

[TekXoID]

I know that's real. Happened to me just like that when I was trying to install a 64-bit XP beta. (DAMNIT!)

[antipop]

nvm... inside watercooling joke. go over to the WC section and see what i said in the ramcooling thread.. you wil get it then.
OH ok i' get it

Hum would be a nice mod to water cool a mac laptop :stick: but they look so good :slobber:

[Crankster]

Seeing as my brother works for m$ i'm a little awkward about this hatred, if you don't like don't use it?

[antipop]

Seeing as my brother works for m$ i'm a little awkward about this hatred, if you don't like don't use it?
I've no hatred for ms at some point it had a positive impact on computer as it allowed everybody to regroup behind a standard with the PC instead of having thousands of variant (a bit like linux now)
However, if microsoft wants to integrate the computer further into the homes, it'll have to increase dramatically the security. A lot of people are pissed by the spyware and virus but they have no alternative

[Crankster]

They do have alternatives, linux is according to some a very viable alternative. Besides viruses and spyware are just not as big a concern as ppl make it out to be.

[antipop]

They do have alternatives, linux is according to some a very viable alternative. Besides viruses and spyware are just not as big a concern as ppl make it out to be.
I'm sorry but it's not a viable alternative for everybody, to run linux you must be a pretty advanced user and i don't see my parents or even 90% of my friends using it or even understanding how to use it

The only viable alternative is mac os, however that means leaving the PC world and enter the more expensive mac world (which is changing with the introduction of the mini)

[mcnbns]

I forget whose sig it was here at XS, but it said something like this:
"Linux is only free if your time is worth nothing."

If you've grown up on Windows it isn't worth the effort to take the time to go Linux. Believe me, I've tried.

Having said that, Linux is definitely far more powerful and cooler than Windows.

[Crankster]

Point taken antipop, then i just want ppl to stop the bashing :)
I have tried linux and that was NOT error free, you need a frigging PHD in order to get it to what you wan't (IMO)
mcnbns, we are in agreeance here i see.

[jjcom]

yeah, I messed around with Linux for awhile. Its nice, but I've been using Windows lately. Just haven't bothered to run it.

jjcom

[antipop]

Point taken antipop, then i just want ppl to stop the bashing :)
I have tried linux and that was NOT error free, you need a frigging PHD in order to get it to what you wan't (IMO)
mcnbns, we are in agreeance here i see.
I totally agree with you

[masterofpuppets]

Point taken antipop, then i just want ppl to stop the bashing :)
I have tried linux and that was NOT error free, you need a frigging PHD in order to get it to what you wan't (IMO)
mcnbns, we are in agreeance here i see.

Linux isn't error free, but it has loads less errors than Windows, if you know what you are doing. And it isn't hard to use at all, if you aren't lazy to learn. Microsoft's programmer couldn't give the smallest crap if their software is any good, they do it for the money, but alot of Linux programmers are motivated by their love of programming, not money. Microsoft could take a crap in a box and expect it to sell. [/RANT]

[sjohnson]

Let's see, quick personal inventory

I have friends, though no relatives working for Microsoft

I've been a developer in Microsoft sandboxes and in UNIX/Linux/Any-kind-ofX sandboxes. I've seen Microsoft demonstrations where everything went smoothly and demonstrations that went sour. I've seen *ix demonstrations where everything went smoothly and demonstrations that went sour.

Microsoft products have a place, at home, business, government, everywhere
*ix products have a place, at home, business, government, everywhere

Sometimes people pick on Microsoft products
Sometimes people pick on *ix products

But, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. The original post was humorous. It was "just a cigar." But, someone cries "bashing" and the thread goes from humorous to a possible flamefest.

As someone who started their computing life in UNIX, my migration to Microsoft products was difficult. I even said almost exactly what was said here - "It takes a PhD to install or do anything with Windows."

But, once I put the effort needed to understand and use Windows, it turns out it wasn't really all that bad. The same can be said of any computing environment - once you put in that initial effort, it's no different. Being "multilingual" has advantages.

Finally, as someone paid to clean up other people's compute machinery, viruses and spyware are everything and more that they're cracked up to be. Nasty pieces of cr*p that get in the way of people doing business or persuing their personal interests. I spend 90% of my time fixing up virus and spyware related messes, and 10% doing constructive work or actual physical repairs.

Not to say Linux doesn't have it's problems. Getting rooted can mean complete reinstallation.

[MaxxxRacer]

I agree with the above statements. Ive tried several versions of linux including knoppix and mandrake and they are kinda cool, but to get what i wanted it was like pulling teeth. Linux is great if you want to take the time to learn the command line and learn how all of it works, but thats like learning to walk again.. who wants to do that..

Windows and OSX on the other hand are much much more intuitive. they are considerably easier to run and you can run them with very little knowledge of what ur doing and be quite proficient.

[antipop]

I agree with the above statements. Ive tried several versions of linux including knoppix and mandrake and they are kinda cool, but to get what i wanted it was like pulling teeth. Linux is great if you want to take the time to learn the command line and learn how all of it works, but thats like learning to walk again.. who wants to do that..

Windows and OSX on the other hand are much much more intuitive. they are considerably easier to run and you can run them with very little knowledge of what ur doing and be quite proficient.
People don't want to do computer science but use the computer to do their work, linux can be great IF you can set it up and have a lot of free time to troubleshoot every little thing that goes wrong. I have sometimes spent a day to install a single software!!! Last time, my linux wasn't working as i wanted it to despite having spend hours on the net and forums, so i just let it down

OSX looks a lot more user friendly than MS, maybe it's because they can achieve a better hard-soft integration. I've seen steve jobs' last keynote and it looked impressive, this is why i want to try it by myself and use it for work while using the pc for "fun" (eg deframenting, virus and spyware scan, oh and games and oc of course :D)

Windows is not a bad product but as it is the most used, it's also the most targeted and the most bashed on

[jjcom]

Mac OS X is alright, i get to use it at school, but...I don't like the "feel" of it. The speed just isn't there. You know, you click on something, but rather than just pop up it "slides" from the top of the screen. I like things that just "pop" up.

jjcom

[antipop]

Mac OS X is alright, i get to use it at school, but...I don't like the "feel" of it. The speed just isn't there. You know, you click on something, but rather than just pop up it "slides" from the top of the screen. I like things that just "pop" up.

jjcom
I think that you can tweak those stuff, it's a really customisable OS and i depend on what machine it was running plus at every update it's more optimised and run smoother (that's something ms should learn to do ;) )

[jjcom]

yeah, probly so, but the teacher I don't think wants us doing that. I ran Mozilla on it and he didn't like that very much :(

jjcom

[MaxxxRacer]

while OSX is any easy to use OS, it is bloated by all the animations, which makes it slow and less friendly to power users. OSX is a OS for dummies, or if you want to go into command line, its hardcore BSD.

MS is a inbetween. harder to get started on, but to get down into the nitty gritty stuff it isnt as hard as linux is with the command line.

just my opinion. and yes ive used all of these os' so im not "talking out of my but"

[sjohnson]

while OSX is any easy to use OS, it is bloated by all the animations, which makes it slow and less friendly to power users. OSX is a OS for dummies, or if you want to go into command line, its hardcore BSD.

MS is a inbetween. harder to get started on, but to get down into the nitty gritty stuff it isnt as hard as linux is with the command line.
...Quick, without going to a reference such as http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/server/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/server/help/ntcmds.htm

What does atmadm do?

evntcmd?

loadfix?

portuas?

pushd?

etc, etc. Is Windows really all that easy at the command prompt? How often do you use that command prompt instead of the GUI equivalents? Same in UNIX. If you need to use the command prompt a lot, like administrators do, you'll get the hang of nearly every command - whether in UNIX or Windows.

This thread sounds like a Luddite convention...

[Crankster]

sjohnson, flamefest? Not my intention :D

[antipop]

while OSX is any easy to use OS, it is bloated by all the animations, which makes it slow and less friendly to power users. OSX is a OS for dummies, or if you want to go into command line, its hardcore BSD.

MS is a inbetween. harder to get started on, but to get down into the nitty gritty stuff it isnt as hard as linux is with the command line.

just my opinion. and yes ive used all of these os' so im not "talking out of my but"
I don't know OSX but i don't think it's for dummies a lot of users are pro's (using photoshop, maya, final cut,...). It's more for those who don't want to bother with computers. Last time i had a lot of work to do and windows decided to crash on me, i wasted a whole trying to fix everything during this time i barely worked. That was a day wasted and it's important when you have a report to give a few days later!

A lot of soft i've seen for mac have a more professional aspect and result.

For the animation, i think it's more a time to adapt and get used to the os and i think you can change all those behaviors

And don't forget it's a unix core, and you get approx the same shell as under linux (actually you can install linux apps under mac)

[hollywood]

Silly...Obviously the guy's hardware is all jacked up. Yet somehow, geeks ALWAYS find a reason to joke Microsoft.

[antipop]

Silly...Obviously the guy's hardware is all jacked up. Yet somehow, geeks ALWAYS find a reason to joke Microsoft.I was all
:confused: but then i remembered you're talking about the SUBJECt :D :D so old i forgot what it was

(and yeah oc your pc like hell and try to install something, blue screen assured, you can try the same with linux if the comp is not stable it's not stable point!)

[MaxxxRacer]

sjohnson: u got into command prompt WAY more in linux.. to install alot of progs u need to go into command prompt.. i cant remember the last time i used command promp in windows. i think ive run it a total of less than 50 times ever.

Im not bashing linux, its just not as user friendly.

anitpop, believe me when i say osx is rather noob friendly. my mom who can barely operate a computer has no problems using it. some pro's do use it, but that is quickly changing as apple is trying to force out all of their pro users. They are trying to do this in the audio sector heavily.

[docah]

Depends on what you consider user friendly. I think the more knowlegable you are about the system the more your friendly bias trends to it. I find macos to be kludgy and an annoyance, windows isn't much better, but once you turn off all the themes it is usable. Linux isn't a bare command line anymore, there are several distributions that boot to gui and are very simple to install. My current preference is ubuntu. There is a livecd (os that runs from cd, leaves hard drive alone) available on their website. Knoppix is another good one to try linux out with, as is damn small linux(which fits on a mini cd or usb key drive).

[sjohnson]

MaxxxRacer - command prompt way more? Sorry, you might enjoy a tour of a modern UNIX data center (Linux, too). So very little command prompt action is necessary anymore - outside of hobbyists who seem gluttons for punishment - so many actions in the *IX world are under 9-9's guarantees and involve such expensive peripherals (such as terabyte plus disk arrays) that GUI "wizards" and administrative tools long ago replaced command line. I can manage a dynamic 0/1 terrabyte array at the command line (if I wish) and take 20-30 minutes to do a task, or run the GUI and get it done it 5 minutes, including the (automatic) documentation of the task.

Don't forget, X predated Windows by several years, and X was used to replace ASCII terminals for all tasks, administrative and user, long before Mr. Gates did the same to replace DOS with Windows.

Sure, initial setup of a $250,000 server requires some command line activity at the boot level, whether Windows or *IX - but from installers to administrative tasks, the GUI rules.

Natural culminations of GUI administration began with IBM's SAM, and you can download Solaris 10 for free if you want to see state of the art GUI operation. Sun's Solaris isn't better than Windows Server 2k3, but neither is 2k3 simpler than any of the *ix systems of today. They ALL have a place.

And this cigar is still just a cigar :)

[sjohnson]

Forgot - for those who want a workstation in Linux with the approximate ease of Windows and lacking the need for the command-line - try SimplyMEPIS

Version 3.3 is every bit as easy as Windows 2000 is TODAY, though not as easy as XP - AND you get "wizards" and control panels that guide you through almost any task. Nice Linux distribution, best for desktops I've yet seen, it approaches the maturity of decent commercial Unix distributions as well WRT lack of need for the command prompt.

Download links at http://www.mepis.org/book/view/1462

[MaxxxRacer]

interesting... does it have an mp3 player.. that was killling me with mandrake.. i couldnt find an f'ing mp3 player. one like musicmatch or itunes type of thing

[sjohnson]

mp3 player, no sweat. Like Knoppix, it comes as a live CD so you can test without installing, but simple (GUI-based, natch ;) ) installation from that CD is built-in.

It's not a distribution for "bragging rights" but one where, like Windows, you have a useful OS right away - one in which you can use (GUI ;) ) tools to enhance/expand.

For instance, due to U.S. law no U.S. Linux installation can play encrypted DVD movies. But, for those living in countries where it's not illegal it's simple to install libdvdcss2 to decode encrypted DVD's. I believe that it's also technically legal to install in the U.S. for educational, research purposes, just not to enjoy movies.

Another - if you own a Windows license, it's legal to alter your MEPIS installation by installing w32codecs, so WMA (for instance) can play in MEPIS. Same for Windows fonts, should you miss Verdana (msttfonts).

SimplyMEPIS isn't on the scale of XP, but neither was SimplyMEPIS' budget ;) You should never need to use a command prompt. Though I'm old school and do so, for the same reason as I maintain my own cars, I just like messing around.

[sjohnson]

Here you go, xmms playing a shoutcast stream - I just surfed to shoutcast's website and clicked on play. Same as Windows for easy :)

[antipop]

anitpop, believe me when i say osx is rather noob friendly. my mom who can barely operate a computer has no problems using it. some pro's do use it, but that is quickly changing as apple is trying to force out all of their pro users. They are trying to do this in the audio sector heavily.
Why are you saying that apple is forcing out their pro users?
Anyway osx is rather noob friendly but i think you can still have a pretty decent system if you're more advanced. It has all those little stuff that are really helpful and it's really the computer working for you

i'll keep you posted on how i use it once i get my powerbook

[MaxxxRacer]

yah they are. my dad is experiencing this first hand... they are seriously anti pro user

im curious to see how much u like or dislike it.. the only thing that i cant stand is the one button mouse.. its horrilble. it slows me way down. that and the uselessness of hte included progs... their version of photochop is entirely useless.. its not customizable. but what do u expect from "free" programs

sjohnson: what would u suggest as a NO command line linux distro. i mean like osx lack of command line.

[sjohnson]

@MaxxRacer: I'm afraid that I don't know what you mean. I haven't done any Apple products since '85 so I'm not familiar with the basis for the request. From what little I know, OSX has a command prompt available since it's BSD based, so I'm confused.

Drag & drop is in *ix, file associations are in there, media support is there, a trashcan is there, the MEPIS distribution (and others, IMO MEPIS does it very well) needs no command line, as I already stated.

What am I missing?

[docah]

LiveCd's are good, typically do not require use of command line for anything at all. I would download the ubuntu, knoppix, mepis, and other livecd's before deciding what to install. There's a lot of variety out there...

I'll have to give MEPIS a try, after debian i moved to ubuntu and haven't really checked the landscape as i'm quite happy with it.

[antipop]

yah they are. my dad is experiencing this first hand... they are seriously anti pro user

im curious to see how much u like or dislike it.. the only thing that i cant stand is the one button mouse.. its horrilble. it slows me way down. that and the uselessness of hte included progs... their version of photochop is entirely useless.. its not customizable. but what do u expect from "free" programs

sjohnson: what would u suggest as a NO command line linux distro. i mean like osx lack of command line.
Can you tell me more precisely (i'm just not aware of the situation and i'm a little curious ;) )
As for the mouse, you can use a two buttons mouse easily, even 5 buttons logitech can work with osx

for the command line, i'm confused too as it's unix based and you get hte unix shell with osx

docah watch out for some livecd as they can be hell to install on a hard disk (i know that knoppix can be hard to install)

[Crankster]

OS X is a VERY customizable os, had it had the progs windows does i'd be jumping ship.
The applescript idea is just brilliant, you can code basicly anything and then execute it easily.
An example, make a movie command: Starts your DVD-program, activates TV-out, clicks the open button of the dvd-prog. Executes and saves other apps.
One keystroke.

[antipop]

OS X is a VERY customizable os, had it had the progs windows does i'd be jumping ship.
What soft do you need?
Moreover i think the software price from apple are very reasonably priced, iLife costs $79 ($19 for upgrade and free with new macs), iWorks with pages and keynotes2 costs $79 (office costs $500 compared, ok iWorks doesn't have excel and all the other whistles)

[jjcom]

Then you've got Open Office which does have a spread sheet program. So your covered there. Mac OS X does seem alittle...bloated, but it can also be changed so its like you want it...Linux...KDE is pretty good in that apsect and Gnome ain't bad either.

jjcom

[masterofpuppets]

Meheh! X11 is for noobs! Long live the almighty "runlevel 2"!

[sjohnson]

Meheh! As an old f*rt who coded way too many lines of C on a Televideo@9600 baud in the '80s, X is fantastic! Blurgle on hard-line connects and ASCII only ;)

[Crankster]

@Antipop: WoW, ventrilo server and client, CS, WC3, HL2, Generals and WCbanlist for DOTA games.
Can it do that? I think not sadly...

[antipop]

All i know is that it has WoW, CS, General (and i think WC3)

HL2 doesn't work for the rest i don't know

[Crankster]

Hmmm... Now i just need the cash for a dual 2.5 ghz G5 and a 6800 mac ultra :D

[antipop]

Hmmm... Now i just need the cash for a dual 2.5 ghz G5 and a 6800 mac ultra :D
Yeah that's not the mac mini that will allow you to play with mac :)

The imac should do fine for the games

However you forgot, a dual 30" lcd screen (the one made by mac)

[Crankster]

An apple cinema 23" will do nicely :D

[antipop]

An apple cinema 23" will do nicely :D
indeed it's still a nice screen plus it's a 16:9 one so no problem watching movies on it (or working with several windows opened)

[mcnbns]

I'm going to look into ubunto and Mepis. Thanks for spreading the info, guys. :)

[Crankster]

Meh, i digress... From what i have seen of longhorn the *nixdudes will have a hard time converting others, even when longhorn is lacking winFS...
I have seen more that most :P

[antipop]

but you'll have to wait at least another year before it comes out, maybe even two. The other will have a lot of time to catch up even before it goes out

(Apple motto for tiger is "Long for Longhorn" :D)

[MaxxxRacer]

meh.. from what ive used of longhorn its a freeking slow mofo memory hog.. and thats on a 2.8ghz AXP... I might give it a spin on my a64 and see what happens.

I know its beta, but its one seriously bad beta.. you would think microsoft of all ppl could fix a memory leak in the core process of the computer (explorer.exe), but i guess thats why they call it a beta.

[Crankster]

It's no beta, it's a VERY early alpha you have tried. Be happy it runs at all (the first alpha could only be run on special test machines)