Maze 4 Vs Fusion HL? [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

Grov

02-25-2005, 05:00 AM

Right here's my dilema.

Im told i can't get the HL till the end of March.

I can get a Maze 4 straight away for £22, the HL is 35. Will be going on my Asus X800 XT PE, with a 50Z pump, Weapon heatercore (or 120.2) and 6002.

Is it really worth waiting for the Fusion? Ive always had my heart set on it, but waiting that long sucks? How much better is it that the Maze? will i notice a difference in temps/clocks?

Torin

02-25-2005, 05:27 AM

I don't believe there have been much temp comparisons between the two. What is known is that the Maze 4 is less restrictive than the HL, which would lend you to believe that the HL offers better performance. I'd say with your setup, and the fact that your CPU block does not need a lot of flow, and your pump offers good flow, that the HL would be a better option. However, if it comes down to waiting a month for an HL, it may be worth it to get the Maze 4... I personally detest waiting such lengths of time for something I want now. :-/

I think the HL will be the better performer in your loop, but I don't know if it's worth waiting a month. Temps will probably be slightly different, but clocks will be about the same, I'd imagine.

Grov

02-25-2005, 06:16 AM

Well it's gonna be a week at least till i get the pump and i ain't heard much from Weapon on the heatercore, so stuff it, might as well pre-order it, can always cancel it, if the stuff comes earlier than i expect.

Heh, my setup will be well similar to your's! :cool:

Ill let everyone know how i get on if you like, major thanks to BAcon and Maxxracer.

Ive never done this before so iam a little scared, but i wanted to get a quality setup, i never go cheap. :cool:

Torin

02-25-2005, 06:24 AM

If you can afford it, look into getting a 13.8V DC PSU to run your pump on.... offers a good 20% boost in flow and head. ;) They only run about 30-40$ depending on where you get it... plus you can keep your pump running 24/7 even if you have to shut your PC down.

drftkng

02-25-2005, 12:27 PM

I went with the Maze4 over the HL, I hate waiting also. I am very happy with my Maze4, but I have never used the HL so I dont' really have any direct comparison. But with just the Maze4 on my 6800GT and I single 120 size heatercore my card would idle at 36c and 42c load. Those are with clocks of 435/115. Adding the cpu block raised my temps just a bit.

jinu117

02-25-2005, 01:27 PM

Informaly I noticed few degree difference. However, that is with a lot of flows and above mentioned heatercore and restrictive CPU block (G4) Result definitely won't be same with single pump setup and depending on tubing length, it might be better to stick with Maze4 as both Maze4 and MCW6002 is unrestrictive giving it better flow characteristics on whole loop with single 50Z pump. (Not that CPU block will suffer much with less flow, it is quite efficient regardless of flow it seems)

Grov

02-25-2005, 01:47 PM

Ive gone with the Fusion.

If my other stuff turns up sooner than expected ill cancel the preorder and get the Maze 4. :)

MaxxxRacer

02-25-2005, 01:57 PM

guys, fear not, after much waiting (as pH was very busy), the video card blocks will soon be tested. They are going to be tested by the beloved pH from which we get so much of our information.

so we will soon see the performance difference between the HL and the maze4. When all is said and done i dont think the HL will win out by a large margin....

Ancient_1

02-25-2005, 03:33 PM

The main thing that concerns me about the fusion is its pressure drop compared to the Maze. I believe it will perform a degree or more better (which is a lot in watercooling) but with how much more resistance. I cant see running a vid card block that has as much restriciton as my cpu block.

MaxxxRacer

02-25-2005, 04:08 PM

we in less than a week we will get to see the difference ancient. so fear not.

Ancient_1

02-25-2005, 04:30 PM

The only thing I have ever seen wrong with PH's tests are that he doesnt give any pressure drop readings.

Craig

02-25-2005, 06:23 PM

Maxxx,

So pH has gotten a Fusion? I'm glad if he has, let the testing begin!

And that about to be realeased Aquacomputer GPU with the Storm/Cascade type jets could also be of great interest, if it can be purchased with 1/2" barbs rather than those da*ned push fit connections with the tiny ID.

I will look forward to pH's article very much, he's the best tester of WB's on the web at this time.

As to best performance I'll go with the Fusion as well, the micro channel type design is well proven in CPU blocks, I see no reason for it not to win by a easy & comfortable margin.

MaxxxRacer

02-25-2005, 07:54 PM

ancient, pH just got a pressure reading system that he is working on setting up. it will see its first use in these tests.. funny you mention it..

craig, he has yet to order it... that aquacomputer gpu cooler sounds promising if it was in 1/2inch but we all know it will be in RC car fuel tubing size...

The Mofo

02-25-2005, 08:50 PM

that aquacomputer gpu cooler sounds promising if it was in 1/2inch but we all know it will be in RC car fuel tubing size...

:ROTF: :ROTF: :ROTF:

:cord:

=[PULSAR]=

02-25-2005, 09:25 PM

subscribed =)

jinu117

02-25-2005, 09:35 PM

When doing test, it will be nice to see 2 different set of CPU block. MCW-6002 and whitewater (or G4) to see what kind of impact it has on actual setup as in general temp of both GPU and CPU.

MaxxxRacer

02-25-2005, 09:58 PM

jinu he wont be doing that. it will be gpu only... this will be a test of the gpus and not them in a loop with everything. with the cpu in there it would bring in a huge X factor, and thus would make scientific testing impossible.. pH is a chemist so keeping things scientific is something he is good at...

jinu117

02-26-2005, 04:32 AM

Only problem is on typical setup I have feeling it could tilt the result hugely from isolated testing due to flow restriction. Reason why I asked for it.

MaxxxRacer

02-26-2005, 04:48 AM

i know what you are saying. well you wil have to calculate your flow rates. pH does temps for all flow rates. from .25gpm all the way up to 3gpm he gives numbers. so with the pressure drop vlaues of each block, and the pq curve of your sytem you can get a guiestimate of the flow rates you are gonna get

Craig

02-26-2005, 04:56 AM

Another problem with GPU tests is determining how much heat that 6600GT is releasing vs a X850XT PE overclocked/overvolted to ??? ......as there are no solid numbers published by the makers for a accurate start point.

That's another fudge factor.

Vid card companys and CPU makers don't want accurate numbers available to us. It leaves them free to point out that all DIY testing isn't a big concern as the starting point isn't know as accurate lab tests normally are. And as many test result in numbers lower than what really occurs they just love that, makes them look better. And offers them added time to address the issue of todays rapidly increasing heat loads. But it's a situation forced, by THEM & we here are far to few in numbers to be able to pressure them into providing better numbers. Sad to say but they have no problem at all ignoring us due to our being a very small percentage of the market.

MaxxxRacer

02-26-2005, 06:02 AM

craig, go over to Xbit labs if you want power consumption on video cards. sadly they dont provide heat output, but you can be promised that 90percent of hte poer that the card is drawing is going straight to the gpu.

but with that said you bring up a very valid point that there are no numbers published by the companies.. Im guessing they have the numbers internally but why release them. whos best interest is it by doing so? certinaly not theirs. all they care is if it is stable at stock. be damned anything else.

=[PULSAR]=

02-26-2005, 07:59 AM

Instead of adding a cpu block to the loop why isnt an additional test ran with the pump at half power, that would keep the flow constant and see which one performs better at low flow.

MaxxxRacer

02-26-2005, 08:03 AM

pulsar, he runs through all flow rates as a stated before.. from .25gpm all the way up to the maximum his hydrothruster allows (~md20)

Grov

02-26-2005, 11:16 AM

Would these be a good choice for Raminks?
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Or would these be better?
http://www.thecoolingshop.com/product_info.php/cPath/98_32/products_id/381