Should I wait? Or Do the mad rush?

[SPL15]

Ya its another G.Skill thread I'm sorry. Lookin to get the 4400LE

Got a P4C800E runnin 110% stable at 281, BUT My CPU can do 290 100% Stable. My current memory is 1 GB Corsair PC4400 (The old ones). What have people been getting with this memory on Intel systems?

If people are consistently getting above 280 with the 4400LE's I got my Cell phone and e-mail account rigged up so as soon as Newegg sends the notify E-mail I'll be notified instantly....

I've been hearing reports on BH-5 coming back out. I'm basicly lookin for the best way to get 290 outta any memory. Should I make the mad dash to get some G.Skill 4400LE's and try my luck there, or should I wait to see what comes out next??

[jjcom]

go after the Gskill :D

jjcom

[HardcoreNL]

GSkill Rocks. I got it. I have pc4400LE and it does 325MHz (ddr 650) @ 2.5-3-4-8 :banana:

[Zeus]

Not all Gskill will crack 300MHz.

My 2x512mb LE kit has one module that will do 300MHz 2,5-3-3-7 1T but the other module tops out at 285Mhz 2,5-3-3-7 1T.
Perhaps it will do higher with slack timings but i'm not interested in that.

This is in a NF3 board, maybe they will do better in a NF4 board but maybe your Corsair will do better in another board as well.

The thought of TCCD no longer being made surely puts some pressure on it.
If you have the money i'd say go for it, test it and keep the best pair and sell the other pair when TCCD RAM becomes obsolete. :)

[scottk]

Not all Gskill will crack 300MHz.
My 2x512mb LE kit has one module that will do 300MHz 2,5-3-3-7 1T but the other module tops out at 285Mhz 2,5-3-3-7 1T.
Perhaps it will do higher with slack timings but i'm not interested in that.


This sounds similar to my pair of 1GBLE with 0440's.

Ran single stick tests on my DFI nF3. One stick tops out at 287, the other will do at least 300 (something else on my rig craps out at 300). Timings 2.5-3-3-10, 1T.

But yeah, this is on socket 754, so not sure how they'll behave on good 939 rig.

Running 10x263, 1:1, 2.5-3-3-8, 1T, P95 & 3D stable, which is all I think I'll get on this setup. These TCCDs are really quirky compared to the BH-5's I was using, and took some time to sort out. I had to move them around in sockets, try all sorts of vdimm, and bump my chipset up from 1.6v to 1.7v to get them working as a pair stable.

[kristos]

I have a set of G.Skill pc4800 1GBLA

I didn't really test it yet but it did 285 stable as a house in my p4c800 e dlx. funny thing is, 285'ish is it's max on my msi k8n neo2 but as I said, i didn't test them, just plugged them in so I could use the compu :)

OPB once said that if you want a gig, get the 4400 LE's, if you want 512, get the 4800 LA's...
but a friend of mine has a set of 4400 1GBLE and he also tops out at about 285 aswell.

my sticks have 437 on them, dunno what my friend has on his sticks but afaik, the only difference between 437 and 440 is that the 440's will respond well to higher voltage.



also check this out : http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=277

[SPL15]

Thanks for the replies. I've got an Intel system so I really doubt i'll be gettin ridiculously high FSB's with the 4400LE's. If I had an AMD system, I wouldnt have even posted, I woulda gotten 2 gigs long ago.

I could really care less about the timings. I really just need memory (Any memory) that will do at least 290 rock solid stable on an Intel 875 chipset so I think I'm going to wait since TCCD doesnt sound to be a very good choice for ultra high clock speeds on Intel 875.

Spending 280 bucks for 4 more Mhz to get only 285 on the bus is kinda retarted in my opinion. I'm gettin 281 with what I already have Which cost me $400 when I got them so Unless I find something that will for sure get me 290 or more, I'm stayin with what I got.

Hopefully something comes out soon that works as good as TCCD on AMD systems. I'm really tempted to scrap my whole system and go with the AMD FX57 if/when it comes out, but I bet when I do switch, TCCD will be like BH-5 is now.... Geez can't ever win.

If any of you guys know of a gaurenteed way to get over 290 on an Intel system wihtout using a DDR Booster let me know. I got VDimm mod so I can push 3.15v into the ram.

[[XC] moddolicous]

I dont kno how GSKILL works on intel systems. I dont think it works the same as on amd systems. Does your comp have dividers? If so, you could get BH-5 with a booster and run on divider. Thats what I would probably do, but its up to u.

[SPL15]

I dont kno how GSKILL works on intel systems. I dont think it works the same as on amd systems. Does your comp have dividers? If so, you could get BH-5 with a booster and run on divider. Thats what I would probably do, but its up to u.


Its got dividers, but they dont work at all. If I use anything other than 1:1, it wont post at all even at stock clocks and volts.

Also, I only like to run in 1:1 so it's kinda beside the point. I think its kinda dumb to have a 8 bagigaHertz CPU and run your memory at DDR266 with tight timings. I'll only do 1:1, but I guess I really dont have a choice on my current system.

[SPL15]

Oh Dam... I'm a Fooool with a capital F!!

I got an E-mail from Newegg.com to check out the beta version of their new website. As I was casually browsing their much improved site, I decided to check out the specs on the G.Skills 4400LE's for the 10,000,000,000th time today and..... THEY WERE IN STOCK!!! Being a half drunken Impulsive idiot that I currently am right now, I whipped out my wallet and grabbed my credit card.

As I was shaking with excitement totally oblivious to the fact that I JUST wrote a post saying that I was NOT going to get the G.Skills, I thought to myself Gee Whiz I could really use/want 2 gigabytes of ram... So I ordered 2 sets of 1 gig 4400LE's so 2 gigs of 4400LE's when I was only planning on buying one!!!! Talk about implusive... Geez I think I need some Ritalin.

So I hit the check out button trying to hurry up the order thinking they will be outta stock by the time I'm done and I come to the page where they ask for your member ID and PASSWORD... PASSWORD?!?! I could not for the life of me remember my frickin password adding MORE TIME!!! my girlfriend down stairs came up to see what I was cussing and screaming about and left real quick because she... well she just doesnt understand how computer nerds get when they are hiindered and distracted from getting something that lets them overclock better....

Finally after 9990 tries with all the passwords I could think of, I came to the biling info screen which I tried to whip through, but THEN my stupid massive grey hound walked behind my computer desk and KICKED OUT THE POWER CORD!!!! AHHH!!!!!! I plugged it back in locked my door and booted up and then scandisk starts running and Its already past the ten second grace period when I notice!!!! I did a reach around on my computer (Not that kind) and flipped the power switch in a rage and rebooted once more and hit a key to bypass scandisk.

Finally I'm in a windows environment and log back on to Newegg and redo my order. I check out, type in my info and finally... FINALLY I see the sweet confirmation page that says my order number.

As the Title of the thread says, Should I Wait? Or Do the Mad Rush?.... I guess I did the mad rush after all. Just got the billing E-mail and I can't believe I just spent $556.37 on frickin memory!!! I hope all the effort will pay off on Tuesday when they arrive. I'll keep ya posted on what the 4400LE's do on Intel systems.

As for now, I'm going back to the bar. I got a feeling I'm calling in sick for work tomarrow :toast:

[Zeus]

That's been some heavy night bro! :D
I think you can ebay em very easy, especially when TCCD becomes obsolete. ;)

[conrad.maranan]

You could've just cancelled the order immediately after you realized that an error was made. Newegg gives you the option of cancelling, as long as the charges have not yet been successfully debited from your account. Usually, it's a few hours before the debit is made.

[Reefa_Madness]

You can even cancel later, even if they have charged your account but not fully processed your order. They will credit your account back with the original charge. I know, because I did that same mad rush a few weeks ago with some TwinMOS. Luckily, sanity prevailed and I cancelled my "rather large" order.

In the event you keep you ram, I hope you at least hit that 290 and beyond that you are looking for.

And take your girlfriend out to dinner while you can. :)

[SPL15]

I Figure if I get the same bus speed that I got before, but with 2 gigs of memory, I'll keep them. If I can't get what I'm getting now (281) I'll just have to upgrade to AMD and see what i cant get with them.

[kristos]

hehehe that's 1 year shorter too live right there ;) all that stress :D


But if you didn't think you were going to make 290 fsb before, I certainly wouldn't count on it now, 4 banks will stress your memorycontroller(s? not sure, I thought it was 1 controller per 2 banks but I might offcourse be wrong there :)) even more.



On the other hand, you could mod your rams ;):D I'm sure you could do it.

Hipro did it to his BH-6 sticks aswell (those were single sided though).
I asked him about that once:

...

oh, and before I forget, one more thing:

I remember from your IC7 modding guide that you also modded your memory and got some amazing performance out of those sticks.
I looked around here on XS, on thelab.gr (not an easy thing to do since I don't understand greek :D) and on the web but I couldn't find more info.
Did you by any chance write a guide about that or is it nearly impossible to write a guide because of all the different chips and different pcb's?

kind regards and sorry for bothering you again :)

kristos



No I haven't upload any guide about my Rams........I just "sealed" them and soldered some extra 100uf /16 V capacitors on it's back side on the pads where the + of the Vdimm is , to ground........

you can see some pics of it in his IC7 guide : http://www.thelab.gr/reviews/ic7mods_en19.php

[SPL15]

hehehe that's 1 year shorter too live right there ;) all that stress :D


But if you didn't think you were going to make 290 fsb before, I certainly wouldn't count on it now, 4 banks will stress your memorycontroller(s? not sure, I thought it was 1 controller per 2 banks but I might offcourse be wrong there :)) even more.



On the other hand, you could mod your rams ;):D I'm sure you could do it.

Hipro did it to his BH-6 sticks aswell (those were single sided though).
I asked him about that once:



you can see some pics of it in his IC7 guide : http://www.thelab.gr/reviews/ic7mods_en19.php


Ya I really doubt 290 will be possible especially with 4 sticks of ram. I'll be happy to get the same clocks I do now if I can run 2 gigs instead of 1. I've been reading all the test reports on this ram on Intel systems and they seam to be getting mid 280's with a fair amount of consistancy and with much lower timings than I'm currently running, so you never know.

I looked at the pics from newegg and I see some spots just dying for some 22uF tantalum caps, but with 4 sticks of ram, space is gonna be TIGHT!!! I've got a 120mm fan blowing on my memory and north bridge so I think I have good enough cooling to run 4 sticks. I'm glad there are no heat spreaders to make the memory wide. I put my two sticks of corsair next to each other on the same channel and there is about one mm of space between the two, not exactly good for air flow. Ig uess this TCCD runs a bit hot, so we'll see.

I think I'll probably have to remove my VDimm mod since from what I'm reading TCCD doesnt like high voltages very much.

I'll keep everyone posted on what I get and if I can squeeze a cap mod on the memory, I'll post results.

we all know how this memory performs on AMD, but I'm sure there are plenty of people wanting to know how this memory does on a Intel 875 chipset at OC's higher than 280.

[kristos]

maybe you should get another 2*256 kit just for benching http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/images/smilies/diablotin.gif

that way you won't run out of space for whatever you have in mind :)

[SPL15]

maybe you should get another 2*256 kit just for benching http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/images/smilies/diablotin.gif

that way you won't run out of space for whatever you have in mind :)


HECK NO!!! I've spent enough money on ram :D !!!

Also, when I bench, I like it to be the system I use everyday at settings I use everyday. I'm not out to get any rewards for my benchmarks, I think its much more impressive to get a good benchmark on a system that you use everyday with the setup you use eveyday. I still like to see other people's maximum unstable benches, but for my system, I get more satisfaction improving real world performance.

I actually use this computer for real work and simulation (Like PCB Layout, Circuit simulation) so if I can get better performance with my everyday setup, it helps my work go a bit faster, not to mention games.

Thanks all for the suggestions, On Tuesday I should have the ram, I'll keep ya posted on results.

Currently with my corsair PC4400 at 281 and 3447 timings, I get 6.9GB/Sec of bandwidth on Sandra 05 which is pretty respectable. I bet I'll get close to 7GB/Sec with the G.Skill at the same clock with 2.5337 timings IF I can get it to 281.

[IronAge]

GSkill Rocks. I got it. I have pc4400LE and it does 325MHz (ddr 650) @ 2.5-3-4-8 :banana:

may i ask you to post a CPUZ screenshot with your SPD settings ?

and what week/cycle are the tccd ics from on your modules ?

431 ? 437 ? 440 ?

THX and bye,

IronAge

[SPL15]

may i ask you to post a CPUZ screenshot with your SPD settings ?

and what week/cycle are the tccd ics from on your modules ?

431 ? 437 ? 440 ?

THX and bye,

IronAge


I'll be more than happy to. Hopefully I'll have some improved benchmark scores to go with the CPU-Z screen shot.

I'm thinking I'll be able to get much improved real world performance because with 2 gigs, I'll be able to completely disable my harddrive pagefile in the Registry, AND set my programs to use a whole entire gig of memory with plenty to spare for operating system overhead. I'm really lookin forward to seeing how much of a performance boost I get from running two gigs of ram with no hard drive page file, Let's just hope windows is smart enough to actually utilize all the ram that I have installed.

Edit: oops I didnt see that you were refering to hardcores post... any how,
i'll still post results.