Waiting to buy TCCD---Well Don't!!

[Radelon]

Pretty much all the TCCD has been snatched up by all the ram manufacturers. Thus leaving only the stock that they have left. I have heard this information from a couple of different sources that are definitely reliable. So if you were waiting to get TCCD, or if you have some but would like to get a few more, don't wait too long or you will pass up the opportunity to buy it. Once manufacturers stock is gone, you most likely will not be able to get it anymore.

I got mine.....do you have yours???

[D_o_S]

But Samsung will make more, won't they?

[Radelon]

They might make more, but remember...... not all die turn out the same..... ch-5 was the bh-5 die replacement......which would you rather have?

[D_o_S]

Yeah, that's true. But aren't the 440 after the 437? And both perform well.

[Radelon]

Ok true.....but they only ran the die for so many weeks...... say the last batch was 445 or so......it's now 506.....that's almost 2 months of them not making any more.

[Tony]

TCCD looks to be gone the way of the dodo guys, thats pretty much what i am hearing. There won't be anymore either.

[Playful_Buffalo]

damnation.....this happens right when i am torn between some VX and G.Skill TCCD (sorry OCZ...4200plat is too damn expensive :p)

got any advice guys? think its a good idea to go after the dieing breed because i was 70% sure on the VX

[D_o_S]

M-u-s-t B-u-y T-c-c-d...!

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D Pretty sure there will come something better these days, maybe TCCE ?

:toast:

[Playful_Buffalo]

newegg has the 2x512 LA's in stock......seem to be 440's

i am confused :confused:

[quicksilverXP]

I would definitely get TCCD over VX. I've ran some benchies for myself whether 245 at 5-2-2-2 at 166Mhzis faster thanr 300 at 2.5-3-3-7 1:1 at the same clockspeeds (2.7Ghz) and I'd always get better results running 1:1. VX is only good if you have an FX processor that can let you adjust multis so you can always run 1:1.

[enzoR]

TCCD looks to be gone the way of the dodo guys, thats pretty much what i am hearing. There won't be anymore either.


wth?? why is samsung moveing to ddr2? :eek:

[FUGGER]

Hope this helps some.

Compusa is selling Centon DDR for 30% off this week.

http://image.compusa.com/retail/email_images/pbblast/32994_2.6_Email_blast_377fl.pdf

[DevilsRejection]

wth?? why is samsung moveing to ddr2? :eek:
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/2442/amdroadmapconfidential7ca.gif

thats why.

glad I got my ocz rev 2 when i did hehe.

[Mag Master 21]

Hope this helps some.

Compusa is selling Centon DDR for 30% off this week.

http://image.compusa.com/retail/email_images/pbblast/32994_2.6_Email_blast_377fl.pdf

Is this the TCCD?

http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=306781&pfp=SEARCH

[Bennah]

Alright, got to stock up on some Gskill :D

LE's are best for all round right ?

OPB, need your guidence ;)

[Arkangyl]

Ditto what mag said, CompUSA doesn't give enough info about what RAM they have.

If I looked at it in the store would it say TCCD on the chips?

thanks, if this is a yes I'm there in a flash :p

[eva2000]

TCCD looks to be gone the way of the dodo guys, thats pretty much what i am hearing. There won't be anymore either.

ouch... maybe next stuff out will be even better ?

[metro.cl]

i dont think it is becouse of the new processors they arent out for a year, and there is also lots of people that wont upgrade as fast.


i think they are making something better, plus bh5 is coming out again

[szukalski]

I've been waiting. But not anymore, I'm not taking my chances.
Time to order that Ultra X I've been eyeing up..

[Rabbi_NZ]

HHmmm hopefully the Infineon/Winbond group will come to the party with something even better soon... and I'm sure Samsung still want their fingers in the DDR pie...

[Highland3r]

ARgh dammit, NEARLY got a gig of XBL the other week for 140 quid too... GUTTED :(

[Jesus]

DDR2 on AMD???Whith those timings, yuck!

[Arkangyl]

Jesus, Patriot and OCZ have done 3-2-2-4 timings for DDR2-533... IMO thats not that bad at all.

[trans am]

Who wants tccd when you can have UTT for 1/2 the price?

[quicksilverXP]

1:1 bandwidth rules over running a divider with low timings.... That and the voltages needed for overclocking are amazing and convenient. Unless your rich enough to enjoy the adjustable multis of FXs, then UTT is fine..., but most of us are on the value wagon with Winchesters.

[trans am]

well if you have a 9 multi, yes, I agree the tccd is the way to go, but that's assuming that your memcontroller is really lucky! If you have a 3200+ and up, the UTT is not a bad idea. Also put the lackluster memcontroller that's integrated on most of the lower end a64s and try running 2x512 at 300mhz. In most cases you will end up around 270-280mhz without going into ras-cas4 territiory. So what do you think is better? :stick:

[quicksilverXP]

TCCD... if you play your cards right anyone can get a good Winchester with a good memory controller.... but not everyone would like to use a Booster to get past 2.8v, or do a vdimm mod, or purchase the latest DFI boards. In a consumer sense, TCCD has the ability to both be convenient and overclocker friendly, while the convenience is something VX lacks.

Don't geme wrong, I love UTT and VX, I'm using them right now, but I'm thinking of it from the consumer side as well. I think TCCD disappearing would be more Inquirer news than UTT/VX disappearing.

[trans am]

TCCD... if you play your cards right anyone can get a good Winchester with a good memory controller....


"If you play your cards right?" Enlighten me

[Arkangyl]

RMA spamming? lol

Just to bump the issue, does anyone know of the CompUSA Centon RAM is TCCD or not? As a follow up, if I looked at the RAM would it say TCCD on the chips?

[quicksilverXP]

Just purchase an Athlon64 with weeks 40, 41, some 42s, or a week 48 and you'll be fine. I've gone through dozens of Winchesters and it's these weeks that are the best. It's just a matter of calling up a local vendor... say PC Club, and asking them to look at the CPu rather than buying from someone (such as Monarch) who is not willing. These Value CPUs with TCCD are an awesome combination, currently, no VX or UTT that I've had can touch the performance from a 300+ 1:1 at a low multi. If you have an FX55, than by all means, stick with VX or UTT.

[TEDY]

not every store will look for good stepping ...especially in europe quickie :)

[sabrewulf165]

monarchcomputer.com still has Patriot XBL in stock as of 2:45pm today (EST). Just a tip for those of you despondent over the lack of said sticks on Newegg (must've been a mad rush... thanks INQ :rolleyes: )

[jmke]

1:1 bandwidth rules over running a divider with low timings....

maybe on AXP/P4, but on A64 running divider + tight timings gives you identical performance in games and everyday PC usage.

[TEDY]

yeah 235$

[TEDY]

cheapest TCCD at this moment

1GB PC3700 Hi Perf Dual Pack (2x512MB) 10.00 % $ 222.50 $ 200.25

MUSHKIN :)

"ANAND"

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D So I'm happy to be the owner of G.Skill 4800 LA and A-DATA DDR-600 (got a new kit after RMA - 3,6 Vdimm was a bit to much for the TCCD, but I kept them alive for 3 weeks at that voltage !!!).

First I wanted to sell the A-DATA, but now I think I keep 'em...... :toast:

[trans am]

HMMM? AMD uses ddr2 in 2006. But lets buy a bunch of TCCD anyway! :rolleyes:

J/K but you guys know what I mean. Just be careful.

[TEDY]

what do you mean transie ? :)

[trans am]

what do you mean trans am ? :)

I mean don't go out and buy a crap load of DDR1 when AMD is going to implament DDR2 in 2006. Supply / Demand. if everyone sells their ddr1 at the same time, the 2nd hand market will get flooded and you won't get as much money for your ram if you decide to sell. Look at the AMD roadmaps.


http://img38.exs.cx/img38/2442/amdroadmapconfidential7ca.gif

[TEDY]

makes sense...thanks for head's up

TCCD or UTT you can't miss with neither of them....

UTT are cheap here.....100$ for 512....
found some APACER TCCD DDR 500 512 for 125$ :)

[Apoptosis]

This article states that the rumors are not so true and quotes 4 memory companies saying that everything is fine.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article.php?aid=161

[trans am]

Well, I would believe Tony from OCZ before I would believe this.

[eva2000]

Well, I would believe Tony from OCZ before I would believe this.
but Legitreviews' article talked with Ryan at OCZ as well

[Apoptosis]

yeah... Ryan owns the OCZ and Bigtoe is an employee. Hopefully the owner would be correct when making statements to the press. Take it all with a grain of salt as normal. You know how it goes.

[Tony]

Its not gone yet, as Ryan said BH5 lasted 6 months in the channel so there is no need to panic, infact there is still poor weekcode BH5 floating around that no one wants.

DDR2 production is ramping up though, DDR1 will suffer as fabs turn over to making DDR2....its called evolution.

[Vampyre]

well i got my pc4200 ocz plats just in case. new egg had 9 at the time i ordered em. hope my dfi-sli dr likes em when ever the next batch of boards comes out

EDIT after reading more i cancled my order for the 4200's and am now thinking of getting the 3200's again. UGH this is the last thing i must deciede for this system

[redgoo]

Whether or not TCCD is actually scare....

The F1-3200DSU2-1GBLE kits are back in at newegg right now - 11 left. I've been waiting for quite a few days for Newegg to get them in. When I picked mine up 45 minutes ago, there were 17 left.

I thought I saw the 1GBLA kits in as well earlier, but after I hopped over here to check some results, and went back they were showing out of stock again.

[Reefa_Madness]

Where do you find the available quantity at newegg? You've stated X quantity of the LEs and I'm just curious because I've never seen it. Is it real obvious and I'm just missing it or are you calling and inquiring or is there another way to find out? It would be useful to know.

[redgoo]

Try adding 99 to your cart, if there are less than 99, it will display how many they have.

[Reefa_Madness]

OK, thanks for the tip. I'll try that next time I visit the egg.

[hansbroken]

Not to be a big conspiracy theory / paranoid person .. but .. could it be that this rumor was put out in order to drive up the cost of this RAM -- and use the BH-5 scenario to cause this kind of panic? I mean, these TCCD chips were in the $325 - $350 and over category a relatively short while ago (I remember when Corsair put out their 'XL' series, they were not cheap -- nor were Muskin lev II V2). And now they are in the more reasonable $220 - $250 or so area. Someone wants their money back out of this stuff – especially if they think people will pay for it.

Regardless of the rumor being true or not, it's like oil prices on Wall Street: a small glitch in the market causes panic -- and high prices. So, I'll bet whether there are enough TCCD chips to go around twice over for next two years or only two months, this rumor will still drive the prices up. And thus, no more TCCD RAM for under $300.

I hope not. Just a thought. As this all seems a bit strange that this suddenly just comes out.

BTW: Hello everyone. I did not expect this to be my first post here. As there are so many other more positive issues (like overclocking & tweaking, lol) that I would prefer to interact on.

[sparkie34]

Welcome to Xtreme!

[hansbroken]

Thanks bud. Much appreciated :D

I must say: very impressive forum -- and some really cool people from what I've read over the past few months. Ya' all really know your stuff :cool:

[@njo]

Its not gone yet, as Ryan said BH5 lasted 6 months in the channel so there is no need to panic, infact there is still poor weekcode BH5 floating around that no one wants.

DDR2 production is ramping up though, DDR1 will suffer as fabs turn over to making DDR2....its called evolution.


I think that after this wisely state... everything is explained.

Everybody knew that TCCD wouldn't last eternally... But, I also think that everybody knew that cpu’s wouldn’t require them forever.
I would say that we will have lots os TCCD in the market until the 2nd Quarter of 2005. And then, if market still thing that DDR1 is a great product, we will have a gap that some producers will fill with UTT and other upcoming products.

But the sky is the limit.. we already have cheap DDR2, like ADATA, and the demand for higher frequencies /bandwidth will oblige everyone to change what they have seen as granted…

I know that AMD needs good timings and “cheap” memory to face Intel… but we already have 64 bits, will already have PCi – express, we already have Sata2… why the hell we do not have DDR2 in our systems, all we need a stable platform, cause updates come expensive.

I know that, at this time, amd doesn’t need DRR2 do scare Intel… but will would all we if AMS systems were faster im the ddr2 integration.

(sorry for my English.. but I bet that your Portuguese is even worst,eheh)

[Tony]

I think that after this wisely state... everything is explained.

Everybody new that TCCD wouldn't last eternally... But, I also think that everybody knew that cup’s wouldn’t require them forever.
I would say that we will have lots os TCCD in the market until 2nd Quarter of 2005. And then, if market still thing that DDR1 is a great product, we will have a gap that some producers will fill with UTT and other upcoming products.

But the sky it’s the limit.. we already have cheap DDR2, like ADATA, and the demand for higher frequencies /bandwidth will oblige everyone to change what they have seen as granted…

I know that AMD needs good timings and “cheap” memory to face Intel… but we already have 64 bits, will already have PCi – express, we already have Sata2… why the hell we do not have DDR2 in our systems, all we need a stable platform, cause updates come expensive.

I know that, at this time, amd doesn’t need DRR2 do scare Intel… but will would all we if AMS systems were faster im the ddr2 integration.

(sorry for my English.. but I bet that your Portuguese is even worst,eheh)

The dram industry is gearing towards FBDDR2 dimms etc and we always new DDR1 is going to pass away. DDR1 can not scale high enough anymore and bandwidth needs are now pushing DDR1 to its limits.

Imagine FBDDR2 running on Dual Core Opteron workstations, its going to be pretty slick and i know the performance of such a rig excites me. Intel made the move to DDR2 a little early i feel but their chipsets have matured as have the dimms and intel are now showing gains in speed and performance compared to AMD, so the race is again full on.

As I posted before there is plenty of ram in the channel and all the performance memory manufacturers will get stocks but soon we will be looking to DDR2 and not DDR1 for our monster rigs.

[TEDY]

Its not gone yet, as Ryan said BH5 lasted 6 months in the channel so there is no need to panic, infact there is still poor weekcode BH5 floating around that no one wants.

DDR2 production is ramping up though, DDR1 will suffer as fabs turn over to making DDR2....its called evolution.

bh-5 where? gimme :toast:

[scottk]

Ordered a 1GBLE kit from NewEgg last night. I had this on my buy list for at least a month, was waiting for price drop, although it never did. Gonna get a nf4 DFI soon, so I needed a couple more sticks in my inventory to mess around with (all BH-5 / BH-6 so far).

Looks like they're out of stock again as of 9:45am PT today.

[Cpt Twitchy]

I am thinking about Picking up a G-skill 512LA kit or 1024LE kit. I won't be building my rig till summer time so I was hoping to buy some save it and sell it when the TCCD supplies dry up. Do you guys think that this is a good or bad idea? This would strickly be a gamble hoping to make some money because I'm sure by the time I build my setup they next big thing will already be out.

Thanks,
Twitchy

[sauria]

I am thinking about Picking up a G-skill 512LA kit or 1024LE kit. I won't be building my rig till summer time so I was hoping to buy some save it and sell it when the TCCD supplies dry up. Do you guys think that this is a good or bad idea? This would strickly be a gamble hoping to make some money because I'm sure by the time I build my setup they next big thing will already be out.

Thanks,
Twitchy

Might be a waste of $ or might be a gold mine as it was for BH-5. I expect BH-5 demand to go up now that it does so well on nforce 4 systems.

[redgoo]

1GBLA is back in stock at Newegg, 4 left after I grabbed mine. I just ordered 1GBLE yesterday too, so one of them will end up on ebay :)

[sauria]

Thanks redgoo -- which one will O/C more?

[redgoo]

The GBLA should based on specs. I haven't tried either yet though.

[sauria]

Found this:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51126
http://www.gskill.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=229

[redgoo]

Thanks for posting those links, especially the one to the gskill forums. I hadn't seen that before. Good info.

[sauria]

Sure, what board are yours going to go on?

[redgoo]

K8N NEO2 - I currently have OCZ 3700EB in it, but I haven't had very good luck with the combination. Either I'm not feeding the EB enough volts to get good performance, or there are issues with the combination. I've read the latter, and it is in the NEO2 FAQ here, however I'm thinking it is both. I don't want to have to do a voltmod or use an OCZ booster and then deal with fan noise from having to cool the RAM, so I'm hoping the TCCDs will work out well.

[LikwidKool]

ouch... maybe next stuff out will be even better ?

Hey eva, I am sure with OCZ on the ever evolving case of finding better ram, they will come out with something to fill our appetites!

My question is what GSKILL will do now. tccd seemed to be all their business.

[longshot]

hmm i don't feel so bad that i picked up 1GB of OCZ 4200EL for $260 shipped last week. Maybee I will sell one set but the question would be which to keep the GSkill 4400-437 or the OCZ 4200EL :)

Decisions Decisions

[FlyingHamster]

hey guys, thinkin bout gettin 2x256mb of gskill LA. should I keep my bh-5 or go for it?

and is this the right stuff: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-007&depa=0

thnx in advance :)

[bachus_anonym]

hey guys, thinkin bout gettin 2x256mb of gskill LA. should I keep my bh-5 or go for it?

and is this the right stuff: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-007&depa=0

thnx in advance :)
hey,

well, I got those sticks and I can tell you this:

on Neo2 I cannot get anything more that DDR606 7-3-4-2.5-1T out of this sticks and pass SuperPi 32M. and to be honest with you, even though bandwidth is higher with that TCCD, my BH-5 kills it at 270x10 anytime in major benchmarks...

soon I will start a thread when I compare 300x9 7-3-3-2.5-1T vs 270x10 6-2-2-2.0-1T .... you'll see for yourself what I mean ;)

but... if you're not willing to pump a lot of volts thru BH-5 then get it! it's good performing RAM...

[FlyingHamster]

thnx for the response bachus. just sent u a PM too :D

[sauria]

hey,

well, I got those sticks and I can tell you this:

on Neo2 I cannot get anything more that DDR606 7-3-4-2.5-1T out of this sticks and pass SuperPi 32M. and to be honest with you, even though bandwidth is higher with that TCCD, my BH-5 kills it at 270x10 anytime in major benchmarks...

soon I will start a thread when I compare 300x9 7-3-3-2.5-1T vs 270x10 6-2-2-2.0-1T .... you'll see for yourself what I mean ;)

but... if you're not willing to pump a lot of volts thru BH-5 then get it! it's good performing RAM...


Gee, only DDR 306! That's great -- BH-5 beats it on a Neo2?

[FlyingHamster]

why is everyone saying its hard to get TCCD when u can still get it at newegg?

just ordered 2x256 gskill LA from the egg. did I get the wrong stuff or sumthing: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-231-007&depa=0

:confused:

[synergy321]

hehe just ordered some gskill 512x2LE its going to be like omgwtfbbqsauceleet

[sauria]

Great! I like it -- just watch the shipping -- I have had two orders damaged in shipping from the flimsy GSkill packaging -- DIMMS jarred out of their shipping plastic slots -- very cheap plastic container.