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sxs112
01-21-2005, 06:17 PM
Whereas the last roadmap INTEL has just undergone a multi-leak, we learn several interesting information coming from this one. To make simpler and more readable, we will break up this news into several under-news on the various points approached:

- Arrived in advance of VT : Whereas one did not await it Longhorn, and thus at the end of 2006, INTEL announces that Vanderpool Technology (VT) will be finally available as of the second six-month period of this year in Pentium 4 6xx. INTEL also announces that VT will be also present on Itanium² in the same beach of time, but 2006 will have to be waited until to see arriving VT on Xeon and on Pentium Mr. For recall, VT is a technology of virtualisation which will allow a kind of VirtualPC hardware.

- Arrival of the EM64T on Celeron and P4 5xx: You read well, whereas AMD restricts its Sempron with the 32-bit only, INTEL, which always regards the EM64T as a simple "feature", thus will activate it on all the range Celeron LGA775 dice Q2' 05, it is has to say in a few months. INTEL also announces the arrival of Pentium 4 5xx with EM64T for Q2' 05! One will recognize CPUs EM64T in Processor number, which is incremented of 1. Celeron 325 with EM64T will thus become Celeron 326 and one Pentium 4 530 with EM64T, P4 531

- Advanced P4 8xx Dual-Core: Wishing absolutely to exceed AMD in the race with Dual the core, it is now in Q2' 05 (first half 2005) that Smithfield, first dual CPU core desktop, is announced. Launched at frequencies of 2.8, 3.0 and 3.2 GHz, it adopts the processor number, respectively, 820, 830 and 840. Smithfield will be equipped with two core P4, of 2*1MB of mask, the EM64T, the NX Bit and the EIST.

- Large fall of the target-price for Smithfield: Indeed, whereas this Dual CPU Core was awaited for almost $1000, Smithfield 820, 830 and 840 will be announced to... $241, $316 and $530! Very reasonable prices since Smithfield 820 will be less expensive than Pentium 4 640! Impressing.

- More information on Yonah: One knows some more about Yonah. Engraved in 65 Nm and equipped with two cores Pentium M, Yonah will be equipped with 2*1 Mo of mask and a FSB to 166 MHZ (667 QDR). It is currently envisaged in version 820, 830, 840, 850 and into two version low Voltage: 838 and 848.

- INTEL in race for the 65nm: INTEL also announces that the development of the processors "Cedar Mill", successor of Pentium 4, and "Presler", version Dual Core of the first, all two engraved in 65 Nm is already quite advanced and announces these CPUs for the whole at the beginning of 2006! INTEL also announces famous Yonah (of which samples circulate already), Pentium Mr. Dual Core and equipped with technology VT

In conclusion, one could say: FINALLY! Finally movement, finally of the action! Obviously, slow, but inescapable erosion in the current state of the things, of the shares of market of INTEL in favour of AMD made react the giant of Santa will clara which announces spectacular change in its roadmap. If INTEL seems here to have gotten rid perfectly here of the myth of the frequency, the very many innovations announced for the next months will have to be confirmed by convincing results. If that proves to be the case, AMD is likely to have seriously wire with retordre, and the juggling act marketing as for Turion is likely not to be enough...

source (http://www.x86-secret.com/?option=newsd&nid=833)

lutjens
01-21-2005, 09:39 PM
And if Intel had half a brain, they'd be making full scale efforts to move the Pentium M to the desktop and to do it now rather than later. It would take a little reworking of the i855 chipset, but it's nothing that's unattainable.

All it needs are:
Dual channel DDR2 (backward compatible to DDR:))
200 MHz FSB (800 MHz effective), with ample divider support for the good memory
Dual PCI-E x16 slots, with backward AGP 8x support
Encourage the use of 6300ESB and ensure the north to southbridge link is a FULL 533 MB/s :rolleyes:
Expand the intgrated SATA RAID to four channels on the 6300ESB
Retain the downward unlocked multiplier!!!


Not exactly rocket science, I know. With these moves, the Pentium M's would sell like wildfire. The systems based on this mythical chipset would be blisteringly fast to say the least.:)

Wrench
01-21-2005, 09:55 PM
Good it means AMD roadmap must be close by. Intel and AMD love to burst each others PR bubbles.

DanIdentity
01-22-2005, 05:05 AM
And if Intel had half a brain, they'd be making full scale efforts to move the Pentium M to the desktop and to do it now rather than later. It would take a little reworking of the i855 chipset, but it's nothing that's unattainable.

All it needs are:
Dual channel DDR2 (backward compatible to DDR:))
200 MHz FSB (800 MHz effective), with ample divider support for the good memory
Dual PCI-E x16 slots, with backward AGP 8x support
Encourage the use of 6300ESB and ensure the north to southbridge link is a FULL 533 MB/s :rolleyes:
Expand the intgrated SATA RAID to four channels on the 6300ESB
Retain the downward unlocked multiplier!!!


Not exactly rocket science, I know. With these moves, the Pentium M's would sell like wildfire. The systems based on this mythical chipset would be blisteringly fast to say the least.:)

That's not a mythical chipset, at least not completely. The just released Alviso chipset, as part of the Sonoma platform, has dual channel DDR2 support, 533MHz FSB, SATA, High Definition Audio, EDB, EIST (unlocked multis) and PCIe. AOpen has a board coming out with the new chipset.

However, despite what everyone thinks, if Intel brought the Pentium M to the desktop quickly it would not sell well. They have just started trying to undo the past 20 years of "more MHz is better". No one would buy a 2 GHz Pentium M when they could buy a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4. Intel is not stupid, they know what they're doing. If they could bring the Pentium M to the desktop and market it successfully, they would do it.

Donnie27
01-24-2005, 04:55 PM
That's not a mythical chipset, at least not completely. The just released Alviso chipset, as part of the Sonoma platform, has dual channel DDR2 support, 533MHz FSB, SATA, High Definition Audio, EDB, EIST (unlocked multis) and PCIe. AOpen has a board coming out with the new chipset.

However, despite what everyone thinks, if Intel brought the Pentium M to the desktop quickly it would not sell well. They have just started trying to undo the past 20 years of "more MHz is better". No one would buy a 2 GHz Pentium M when they could buy a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4. Intel is not stupid, they know what they're doing. If they could bring the Pentium M to the desktop and market it successfully, they would do it.

Stands up from desk and claps hands! Pentium M also costs more and believe it or not, 2MB of L2 is not that cheap. Sure Intel can build it better than anyone else.

http://www.a1-electronics.net/Intel_Section/CPUs/2005/Centrino_Sonoma_Jan.shtml


These new Intel Dothan Sonoma Centrino Pentium-M mobile processors with 2MB L2 cache will have a faster FSB of 533MHz or 133MHz QDR which gives a peak bandwidth of 4.2GB/sec. An increase from 400MHz and 3.2GB/sec.

These Centrino Sonoma mobile processors are supported by the Intel 915GM chipset now supports both DDR & DDR2 memory up to DDR2 553 in dual-channel mode for a bandwidth of 8.5GB/sec or 4.2GB/sec in single-channel mode & FSB of 533MHz & 400MHz while the Intel 915GMS only supports 400MHz FSB and DDR2 400 in single channel mode. Both with a max memory capacity of up to 2GB. The 915PM does not have the graphics engine but supports DDR2 533MHz in dual & single channel and 400/500MHz FSB.

SO now Dothan has a better platform than Northwood and only lacks the 800MHz FSB. If we believe GamePC's later reviews, 533MHz didn't improve it on a Northwood type scale. Each upgrade, from A to B and the C was much faster.

Donnie

Disposibleteen
01-24-2005, 05:12 PM
That's not a mythical chipset, at least not completely. The just released Alviso chipset, as part of the Sonoma platform, has dual channel DDR2 support, 533MHz FSB, SATA, High Definition Audio, EDB, EIST (unlocked multis) and PCIe. AOpen has a board coming out with the new chipset.

However, despite what everyone thinks, if Intel brought the Pentium M to the desktop quickly it would not sell well. They have just started trying to undo the past 20 years of "more MHz is better". No one would buy a 2 GHz Pentium M when they could buy a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4. Intel is not stupid, they know what they're doing. If they could bring the Pentium M to the desktop and market it successfully, they would do it.

i must differ from your opinion there, i think they would sell VERY fast, especially to people like us who know that potential of the chip!

DanIdentity
01-24-2005, 05:19 PM
Stands up from desk and claps hands!

Stands up from desk and bows. ;)


i must differ from your opinion there, i think they would sell VERY fast, especially to people like us who know that potential of the chip!

Yes, they probably would sell like hotcakes to people like us. However, "people like us" make up a miniscule portion of market. 99% of people don't know any better. Intel knows this, which is why they're not bringing the P-M to the desktop right now.

Disposibleteen
01-24-2005, 05:22 PM
its such a shame isnt it....

Donnie27
01-24-2005, 08:17 PM
Stands up from desk and bows. ;)

Yes, they probably would sell like hotcakes to people like us. However, "people like us" make up a miniscule portion of market. 99% of people don't know any better. Intel knows this, which is why they're not bringing the P-M to the desktop right now.

Sure, they will not do a mass RAMP UP for Desktops, but they could and IMHO will feed this market enough for us. The other problem here is that these bad boys have taken over the notebook market while everyone else scrambles for crumbs. Laptops are what's growing faster than anything esle=P Shipping out enough of these for Geek rigs in this market isn't enough to cause Intel any kinds of problems at all. ZZF and Newegg are already talking about them in fact.

As the link shows, the new motherboards are nothing more than i915 with a Sc-479. Intel and the Mobo makers aren't about to miss out on selling these , look at the way Geeks are drooling over them?

Donnie