*****Official***** DFI NF4 ultra-D first look

[Tony]

To help you guys DFI again have shipped me two absolute final revision NF4 boards to test.

I have been qualifying OCZ memory on the Ultra D now for 14 hrs and can pretty much now comment on how the boards overclock ram.I have tested with the following modules listed below and will post results here in this thread. I also have some huge news that is under NDA and I will post this also as DFI release me to do so...please don't ask...i will post as soon as they say go ;)

Tested modules.

3200Plat rev2 =TCCD
3500Plat = BH5
3500EB = Micron EOL
3200VX
4200EL = Hynix BTD 43
4400gold = Hynix CTD5
4000gold rev2 = Hynix DTD5

As you can see I have been pretty busy, none of the above are cherry modules, infact some are actually fails which needed a little extra juice.

Now im using an IDE HDD and have sound, USB, ports etc all disabled. The PCIe bus is locked and can be independantly manipulated.
You have already seen the board has the ability to run Vdimm off the 5vline. What you don't know is that i found heat became an issue with the dimms on load at high voltages.The mosfets have heatsinks and you are going to cool them for stability. I have chosen to tweak the 3.3V line up to 3.6V on my powerstream and this allows 3.5Vdimm or so and does seem more stable for me.

Bios is pretty much the same as the 250UT with the addition of 8 Dram drive strength values and increased vdimm and vcore.So if you are used to tweaking the NF3 your going to slot straight into tweaking the NF4 ;). Chipset voltage does help when overclocking and async ram clocking does work quite well.

Both the ultra D and the SLI board share the exact same PCB. All that is missing on the ultra D is a SI raid controller Chip and 4 sata port and obviously they have a different chipset. regarding SLI etc i will add comment later in the thread. For now im just using an ATI X700 pro and a 3800+ cpu air cooled. No fancy phase change so results are pretty much what you can all expect as a base line.

[Tony]

2x256BH5 3500Platinum.

Now these modules did 240fsb 3.3v on the NF2 UltraB revB which i didn't think to bad....they do a LOT better on the NF4 ;)

Everest is a pretty slick bench as it also reports memory latency. Im running cas1.5 here at 264fsb 1:1 for the lowest latency bench i have seen with my dimms. Also the jump from 240 on the NF2 to 264fsb is pretty astounding on this NF4....seems the board loves BH5 in a BIG way.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22641&stc=1

Moving onto sandra i did buffered and unbuffered. remember the CPU speed is around 2.6+GHZ, a higher cpu speed would create much bigger benches. The unbuffered bench was not as good as i had hoped as i have seem 4k with a modded Epox, still it gives you a rough idea of what you will see.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22637&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22638&stc=1

I added the cas1.5 into the CPU-Z shot to clarify what timings i was running and the cpu used. Pi was 32Secs which is a little higher than i have seen with a Dothan but still well on the money.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22640&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22639&stc=1

Overall with BH5 dimms you will see some nice clocks and i would say you should see a little higher than you have seen before...this is due to board design and the advances in the memory controller.

[Tony]

VX

Well my VX do 260 on nearly everyboard i have and they do 260 on this DFI and no more. Where i saw some nice gains with the BH5 i just matched previous results with the VX.Still we all know they do 2-2-2 at some xtreme speeds and others do have better modules than i do.

The benches.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22645&stc=1

Timings were tweaked out and voltage was 3.4vdimm.

Sandra.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22647&stc=1

Numbers real similar to the BH5 although we are at 260fsb here and not 264.

Everest again shows some sick memory latency which is nice.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22648&stc=1

And a CPU-Z shot to finish.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22646&stc=1

EB next.

[Tony]

EB

Well 282fsb or so was the max i could do here. I have hit higher on a modded epox so i think i will be asking for a few bios tweaks to try and get performance at least to match it.I have a feeling to many TCCD tweaks are in bios which may harm performance with other dimms, Hynix for sure is not as good on this board.

Anyway some benches, 9X multi for these.

sandra

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22651&stc=1
better than the BH5 probably due to the higher fsb ;)

Everest.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22652&stc=1
again this is better but latency is down...BH5 is thre king on this one.

Settings used.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22654&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22653&stc=1


I will add my TCCD results a little later.

[cantankerous]

Excellent job matey! Keep up the great work! I can't wait to see the results for the VX. That is pretty impressive for the BH-5. Can you see the same being for BH-6?

I can't wait to hear what the super secret thing is you have to tell us. I sure hope it is runing ATI cards in SLI!

[Tony]

Excellent job matey! Keep up the great work! I can't wait to see the results for the VX. That is pretty impressive for the BH-5. Can you see the same being for BH-6?

Good BH6 is just as good as BH5 as it is actually the same IC. I would say this board clocks my BH5 10 to 15fsb higher than i have seen before on ANY board.

[cantankerous]

Awesome. Well I have OCZ Dual Channel Platinum 2 x 512 BH-6. They do pooh on my NF2 so am hoping for similar. Reading back now I noticed you used 2 x 256mb chips. I guess the VX will be better as those are 2 X 512 sticks. Anyhow we all look forward to your results. Thanks.

BTW when is the NDA up so you can spill?

[Tony]

Probably next week now....all depends on DFI

[GinTonic]

As it was said before, I'm also anxious to see the results of OCZ VX, but those BH5 can be XTREME!!

Good work Bigtoe! :D

[spinboy]

Wow, seriously that was some mad specs there bigtoe!

[eva2000]

yay you put my mind at ease to know the board likes BH-5/6 :D

Gonna be able to test OCZ PC3700 Platinum and OCZ PC4200 Platinum on this board too ?

[Cranox]

Nice to know the board loves bh-5 , i got 2 x 512mb here :)

[Tony]

yay you put my mind at ease to know the board likes BH-5/6 :D

Gonna be able to test OCZ PC3700 Platinum and OCZ PC4200 Platinum on this board too ?
I have an unmarked pair of TCCD that meet 3200plat rev2 specs, thats why i quote them as 3200plat rev2.

The board actually seems tuned to BH5 and TCCD.

[Bennah]

Nice work on the ram testing.

Now we got to wait for the NDA to end to see the full extent of what the DFI NF4 boards can do :D

[choseone214]

for the VX if oyu haven't try

TRFC OF 15
TWR 3
TRTW 3
READ PREAMBLE 5.5

SHOULDN'T CASUE A HIT OF PERF MUCH AT ALL AND SHOULD LET YOU GO HIGHER ON THE FSB

[mrlobber]

You have already seen the board has the ability to run Vdimm off the 5vline. What you don't know is that i found heat became an issue with the dimms on load at high voltages.The mosfets have heatsinks and you are going to cool them for stability. I have chosen to tweak the 3.3V line up to 3.6V on my powerstream and this allows 3.5Vdimm or so and does seem more stable for me.


So for, say, 3.6Vdimm you still need the 3.3v line of the PSU to be tweaked higher than that?

[synergy321]

i'm going to get pdp 3200 tccd 512x1, any ideas on how that would do, or should i look into some ocz3200plat. i would really like tccd, and price as low as possible, but if the ocz is worth it on here, then i can do it. thanks! and keep the tests going and hurry up and spill the secret :D

[jikdoc]

for the VX if oyu haven't try

TRFC OF 15
TWR 3
TRTW 3
READ PREAMBLE 5.5

SHOULDN'T CASUE A HIT OF PERF MUCH AT ALL AND SHOULD LET YOU GO HIGHER ON THE FSB

do you give michael jordan basketball tips as well? bigtoe works for ocz and dfi sent him 2 of the 4 retail boards in the wild to qualify memory for the board -> i'm sure he knows what settings to use!

[Bennah]

So for, say, 3.6Vdimm you still need the 3.3v line of the PSU to be tweaked higher than that? "Yes" or "no" would suffice.

What's the point then on the ability to switch the Vdimm voltage to be powered from either 3.3 or 5v line, by user selection, as Oskar commented before a week or two :confused: ? Or was that only a feature of the beta boards and is now removed?

No. With the 5v setting it will draw the vdimm from the 5v line. This puts more heat on the vdimm mosfets and around that area, so it needs to be cooled good.

With the 3.3v setting enabled, it would draw the vdimm from the 3.3v line. Max vdimm would be 3.3v but this is 'better' for users 24/7 not running high fsb's and not having to add extra cooling to the vdimm mosfet area.

With OPB using only 2.9v for his GsKill TCCD why use the 5v feature when you can use the 3.3v feature and not put as much 'strain' on the vdimm mosfets.

[mrlobber]

No. With the 5v setting it will draw the vdimm from the 5v line. This puts more heat on the vdimm mosfets and around that area, so it needs to be cooled good.

With the 3.3v setting enabled, it would draw the vdimm from the 3.3v line. Max vdimm would be 3.3v but this is 'better' for users 24/7 not running high fsb's and not having to add extra cooling to the vdimm mosfet area.

With OPB using only 2.9v for his GsKill TCCD why use the 5v feature when you can use the 3.3v feature and not put as much 'strain' on the vdimm mosfets.

I know all the points. But notice what bigtoe said (what I quoted), he has tweaked the pot of the 3.3v line of his Powerstream to 3.6v, to allow 3.5Vdimm. At least that's how I understood the quote. That would indicate, he didn't use the 5vdimm option even though he tested BH-5 and VX, which are the voltage hungry chips. Why? Did the board become too hot even if actively cooled? Was he too busy to mess around with the respective jumpers? Many speculations might be derived... So let's wait what he has to say on that himself ;)

[Tony]

I had stability issues using the 5V setting ;) thats why i went with the 3.3V line tweak to give me upto 3.5V.

[mrlobber]

I had stability issues using the 5V setting ;) thats why i went with the 3.3V line tweak to give me upto 3.5V.

Was that one of the "minor issues" you were talking about in another thread?

[bachus_anonym]

I know all the points. But notice what bigtoe said (what I quoted), he has tweaked the pot of the 3.3v line of his Powerstream to 3.6v, to allow 3.5Vdimm. At least that's how I understood the quote. That would indicate, he didn't use the 5vdimm option even though he tested BH-5 and VX, which are the voltage hungry chips. Why? Did the board become too hot even if actively cooled? Was he too busy to mess around with the respective jumpers? Many speculations might be derived... So let's wait what he has to say on that himself ;)
it's simple as that:
switching to 5V generates a lot of heat on the vdimm mosfets and may cause instabilities if not cooled properly. but if one has no PSU with adjustable rails (be it either modded or factory pots) one needs to use that feature to get more than 3.1-3.2v
on the other hand, if one has the right PSU that gives him enough juice for feeding memory, then just stays with the 3.3v option by cranking up 3.3v rail on the PSU.

[kiwi]

nice :D
I'd like to see platinum rev 2 sticks :)

[Tony]

Regarding the minor issue , yes the 5V line for me was unstable, that doesn't mean it will be unstable for you guys.
I also just tested ultra high HTT, i won't be breaking any records with my EB and 400+HTT on this one but i haven't given up yet.

If you guys want screenies of the bios just let me know..i will do my best to post them tomorrow.I will also enable the audio and test with the daughter card, its high def and deserves a looking into ;)

[Bla$nA]

real nice review ;)
thnx for all this work

[cantankerous]

Thanks again Tony. Seems BH is better than VX on this board if you have some that clocks high. Good thing I kept my BH-6 when I bought my VX. If it turns out to do better I am going to sell my VX and keep my Platinum Edition 2 X 512. Anything else we need to know about?

[cantankerous]

Hi Tony,

wondering if you feel its possible an XP-120 HS will fit on this board without issue?

[synergy321]

any suggestions on what memory to use, or not enough tests to conclude? also is tccd the best for it, or is something else better. my price range is up to 130 for one 512. thanks.

[AcEmAsTr]

you seem to be comparing your memory mostly, the thread title denotes your testing the board, and we all know most nf4 boards can do 300htt+(400 too), slap it up there and see what the BOARD can do.

[idleuser]

I was just wondering how the Non SLI version compare to the SLI version? Can you give us a comparasion since some of us don't want to go SLI :) Thanks.

[choseone214]

Thanks again Tony. Seems BH is better than VX on this board if you have some that clocks high. Good thing I kept my BH-6 when I bought my VX. If it turns out to do better I am going to sell my VX and keep my Platinum Edition 2 X 512. Anything else we need to know about?

LOL< 2x256 BH-5 He was running at 264mhz he was doing 260mhz 1:1 with the 2x512 VX ;)

[cantankerous]

very good observation chosenone214. My BH based memory is also 2 x 512mb so perhaps things will change in that respect.

[mrlobber]

very good observation chosenone214. My BH based memory is also 2 x 512mb so perhaps things will change in that respect.

You will have the sweet option to compare VX vs BH-5 in 2x512Mb config and share the results.

[funkflix]

@bigtoe

Do u have tested a bit more stability then only 1M with the 2 x 512MB VX and u have any chance to test with 2 x 512MB BH5?

[MaxxxRacer]

do you have to up the voltage on the nb to get high htts?? And if so, how much and and what fsb.

As per the NB cooling, does the nb get hot under load, or at overclocked settings.

Patiently awaiting TCCD overclocking results

[mrlobber]

Patiently awaiting TCCD overclocking results

You probably didn't saw on Xtreme Bandwidth what Onepagebook did on "an unknown board" ;) ?

[MaxxxRacer]

lol, i will have to check it out.

[cantankerous]

You will have the sweet option to compare VX vs BH-5 in 2x512Mb config and share the results.

I most certainly do and as soon as I have some results you guys will be the first to know.

[jikdoc]

any guesses what bigtoe's big news is? my guess is more of a pipedream than a feasible guess, ati cards can work in sli on this board!

[Dissolved]

this board support sata2 + NCQ ??

[MaxxxRacer]

the nf4 chipset supports sata300 with ncq, but the other sata ports dont. Or wait, this board only has four sata slots. If that is the case, i think all of them are sata300.

[Tony]

Guys regarding stability, what im quoting here is bench stable for everything i throw at it. I have been testing now for 14 hrs or so seeing how each type of memory performs.

I can only test OCZ memory as i do infact work for OCZ ;) the exercise was to help you all see how the dimms perform and show the board overclocking.

Regarding high HTT runs, 350 was ok async but not much more. Remember i hit 430 or so on the 250UT but i doubt I will see it on this board. I will push more tomorrow and see if i can squeeze a little more out of it.

Mt TCCD does around 290 1T and 320 2T as its quite old, i have requested later modules to try and show much higher FSB runs. Issue is getting a 1gig kit to run over 300fsb is hard as its seriously CPU dependant as well as memory.And before you all jump that other brands do it easy we have 440 and 437 etc and i know exactly how they overclock, i can get cherry modules but i feel i will lose respect if i start posting cherry benchmarks. I will do my best though to show as high as i can.


Lastly sata specs i will have to check on unless someone wants to jump in. I know the SLI board has the latest SI chip that is fully featured but the D is limited to chipset ports only.

[googles]

any guesses what bigtoe's big news is? my guess is more of a pipedream than a feasible guess, ati cards can work in sli on this board!

this is the ultra board tho, maybe they might yank out the extra x16 slot and cancel dual xpress graphics...anyway im not big on multi-monitor setups...

is the booster compatible with this board? if i use a booster instead of the +5v rails to get higher vdimm, would there still be heat issues with those mosfets on the mobo?

[jikdoc]

uhh, oops forgot he was reviewing the ultra chipset

[Minnyboy]

Well said BogToe :toast:.

I anxiously await your results I'm planning on going NF4/DFI soon & wanna see some results for the different types of RAM that I'll be able to get my hand on.

Plus it also helps on the hip-pocket if you know a distributor or 2... Might just have to pull some strings to get myself some VX & TCCD to play with...

I also noticed that VX is cheaper than TCCD down here in OZ... I assume it's because of the higher voltages needed to get 2-2-2-5 on those modules...

Can't wait til I see some more exciting results from you. You gain a lot of respect for not testing cherry picked ram unlike some reviewers...

Hopefully this thread will become a "sticky" somewhere down the track as there is already a wealth of knowledge regarding the DFI NF4 here... Especially in regards to RAM...

Can you please post some piccies of the bios settings?? More importantly the ram timgs/voltages as well as the setting to change the jumpers to get the 5v to the ram.

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[reject]

the ultra can do sli also, even comes with the bridge
@ minnyboy is vx here now i couldnt find it anywhere a couple of weeks ago

[Tirlista]

http://www.pmecomputers.com.au

Should be a link on the fornt page. $435 for VX

[eva2000]

http://www.pmecomputers.com.au

Should be a link on the fornt page. $435 for VX
$419 at hardwarecentral.com.au for GoldVX :)

Minnyboy reason GoldVX is cheaper is it's cheaper to make than OCZ Samsung TCCD based ram, well I think that's why :)

[Tony]

Bios shots.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22714&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22715&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22716&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22717&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22718&stc=1

[Tony]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22720&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22721&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22722&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22723&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22724&stc=1

[computersmsa]

3200VX = ?
OCZ don't knows ? lol
Winbond UTT ;)

[Tony]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22725&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22726&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22727&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22728&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22729&stc=1

[Tony]

3200VX = ?
OCZ don't knows ? lol
Winbond UTT ;)
you really think i don't know...LOL. Isssue is not not officially allowed to say what it is.

[Tony]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22730&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22731&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22732&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22733&stc=1 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22734&stc=1

[=[PULSAR]=]

4.0VDimm :slobber: did you try that voltage with the VX :)

[ominae]

heya bigtoe, those bios settings you posted, would you/are you going to use those settings for ocz3200 Plat. R2's too? :D

[Tony]

3200Plat rev2.

I have a feeling my CPU is limiting my ram overclock here so i may play again with my FX53. for now i will post the best i could do with agressive 1T timings 2.5-3-3.

Now all please remember that memory controllers play a big part in ram overclocking on A64 and i actually did a little better with my old TCCD on this DFI than any board i have used before with 1T settings.

sandra is on a par with the EB and VX pretty much although they were at a lower fsb due to tighter latency.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22738&stc=1

Everest again shows similar numbers.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22737&stc=1

finally the settings i used.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22735&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22736&stc=1

Im still working on tweaking the Hynix based modules and will update the thread as i get more info on these modules.

[Tony]

=']4.0VDimm :slobber: did you try that voltage with the VX :)

Read back a bit m8, you will see why 4V was not so good for me.

[eva2000]

Tony tried testing on winchester cpu ?

[reject]

yeh after looking i saw the hw central one, pretty good price, if i can sell these adatas then ill get some.

It seems that bank interleave is disabled, is there a bios option for that? i know dfi said that they didnt want to use it for the 250gb, and if its not on this board then it might be slower than other brands
i think that interleaving works best on dual channel, did little for 754 boards but it could give a nice boost in a dual config

EDIT: no advertising/selling outside the classies! :slapass:
-saaya

[Minnyboy]

Bigtoe, that's a lot of options there in the bios... Now I can see why the DFI bios is regarded as having the best bios for ram ever...

I wonder why DFI even bother putting in Cas Latency above 3?? Already thinking ahead for DDR2 & AMD??

All i gotta do now is wait for the board to hit Aussie shores & I'll be giving the DFI a shot based on the input I have seen so far... Not just from the NF4 but the NF3 as well... DFI have had the enthusiast market by the balls now...

Just waiting on one of the big players to put up some WR's with this board...

The only problem I can see with WR's falling is the PCI-E video cards, haven't seen anything special lately other than SLI or sky-high price-gouging for the X800XT/X850XT PE....

I await more goodies from this thread...

eva2000, gotta look up & see what I can get those VX's for down here... AUD$430 is still a bit high to me... IIRC, I could get them for under $400... Just can't get to my specialised price list atm...

Cheers,
Minnyboy

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

I knew I should have waited before buying a MSI mobo that doesn't work :(

[cupra]

bigtoe im curious

if you work with the ocz vx you need a high dram voltage like 3.5v +-
the dfi mainboard can go over the voltage control up to 3.5v but the cpu (mem controler is inside) can be damaged ?
or its like the ocz booster that cant damaged the cpu mem controler .

and if so,what better to use if you want 3.5v to the rams ?
1) the dfi voltage control
2) ocz boosetr

[FallenAngel]

I knew I should have waited before buying a MSI mobo that doesn't work :(
Sell it like I am doing for my all old rigs

[Minnyboy]

Sell it like I am doing for my all old rigs

Off Topic:
I was going to say the same thing but there's a few issues when doing that...
It would be wrong morally if you sold a mobo that don't work...

I could be wrong & the only problem is that it doesn't work with the Winnie but something tells me I might be in the right here...

RMA the board with your supplier & maybe ask them if they'd do a swap for the DFI board when it comes out...

On Topic:
Looks at his 4 x 256MB & 2 x 512MB BH5's... Oh heck... Gotta try something new & different soon...

Cheers,
Minnyboy
BTW, If I took this thread way, way off topic; let me know & I'll edit it to something more in the lines of this thread.

[DaWaN]

One little question, does cool'n'quiet works on this board?

[situman]

god damn all those options starting to scare me. Intel boards doesnt have nearly the tweaking options. Sigh, looks like I will actually need to read the manual before I can start tweaking when i switch over.

[googles]

lol...exactly my thoughts...ive read some amd mobo manuals but not much help...guess ill just have to rely on posted screenies :D

[reject]

you cant use it for overclcking so i doubt they try to hard to get it working. maybe like the 250gb it will come in a later bios
at that hardware central place, the ultra is 270, the SLI is 370 and for 20 bux more you get the bundle. i would go the whole way if i was one who spend over 300$ on a mobo.
http://www.hardwarecentral.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=410&osCsid=4d5a0c605623f235d3e4f74c6882c78b
says it doesnt do SLi but DFI press release says it even comes with the bridge
ok it seems they updated it, and it does DXG. how does that relate compared to SLi and AMR? if its good then i might not wait for ATi boards and go for one of these in about 3 months

[MarilynMX]

bigtoe have you tried memory divider(s) on this board? especially 166 divider.
Another question is, if active cooling is applied, will this board be stable at VDIMM above 3.4V? Booster stability fluctuants pretty much at high temperature so I'm quite worried about if same problem would happen to DFI's board.
Thank you

[psycho303]

@bigtoe

real great job you did here, thanks ! this board sucks ! cant await checking my vx / bh5 / tccd arsenal on that mobo :-) minimum vcore is 1.375v ? or is less possible ?

psycho

[Mrki]

3200Plat rev2.

I have a feeling my CPU is limiting my ram overclock here so i may play again with my FX53. for now i will post the best i could do with agressive 1T timings 2.5-3-3.

Now all please remember that memory controllers play a big part in ram overclocking on A64 and i actually did a little better with my old TCCD on this DFI than any board i have used before with 1T settings.

sandra is on a par with the EB and VX pretty much although they were at a lower fsb due to tighter latency.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22738&stc=1

Everest again shows similar numbers.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22737&stc=1

finally the settings i used.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22735&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22736&stc=1

Im still working on tweaking the Hynix based modules and will update the thread as i get more info on these modules.


bigtoe ...

here my results. exact same settings like yours ;)

3500+ Winchester
MSI K8N Neo2
2x512 OCZ EL Rev.2

hmm dfi was much slower?

i dont think thats beacuse winni?!?!

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/1.jpg
http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/2.jpg
http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/3.jpg
http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/4.jpg

http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/5.jpg
http://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/6.jpghttp://mitglied.lycos.de/siedl/MSI%20K8N/7.jpg

[apu673]

How much is this board ganna cost when it becomes retail?

[OPPAINTER]

Bigtoe,

Maybe I missed it, does the OCZ booster work on this board??
Thats if the board has problems at 3.7 mem voltage, I'll need 3.7V for my VX on this board.

OPP

[abstrakt]

Suprised you don't have one OPP, after what you did with the S754 Lanparty.

[Tony]

OPP I haven't tested the booster, bios does 4V with the jumpers over to the 5V line setting or you just tweak up the 3.3V line (which i prefere)

Regards OPP not having one he will have next week I hear ;)

[Tony]

TCCD revisited.

Thought I would go back and revise settings. Now the cpu does 2.6GHZ tops so im limited to 300+ x8 or 270+ X9 so i had to compromise here.

3200Plat rev2 at 2.5-4-3-8 310fsbX8 1T (sandra reads wrong)
I still personnally think VX is better with 2-2-2 or EB 3-2-2 but i know many like the TCCD stuff.
Here we go.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22758&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22761&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22759&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22760&stc=1

[Tony]

Im kinda struggling with Hynix based dimms which is weird as i have a pair here that do 300+ on an Epox 939 so it looks like the board is tuned to specific brands of memory IC and Hynix isn't one of them. I will be firing off an email to see if anything can be done for those looking to use dimms they have from older Intel rigs.

[cantankerous]

Tony do you know if an XP-120 heatsink will fit fine on this board and will you be testing the booster on this? I ask because I am afraid of running my psu out of spec 24/7. I'f I am going to tweak the 3.3v line of my psu it will be for everyday use. Is there a risk of ruining the psu or anything for that matter running the 3.3v line to say 3.6-3.7 all day everyday? That is way out of spec. I am not too sure what exactly runs of the 3.3v line but a day day would come if things starting permanantly shutting down. The booster might be a nice alternative if it works. Hope to hear something back. Thanks.

[OPPAINTER]

Suprised you don't have one OPP, after what you did with the S754 Lanparty.
Yes I'm very bummed :( No Love:D
Apparently they have one for me right now, it was suppose to be sent out on Thursday but no go. I guess it needed hardware changes and they weren't done untill Late Friday. I guess I get a beatup Beta board next week:D

In the meantime I think I will take down #1 spot in 3d2001 with MSI NEO4:D
I got my new FX55 chip last week but the NEO4 only gives me 1.7V max v-core so the chip maxxes out at 3420MHz or so. I'm hopeing DFI will take this chip into the 3600MHz clouds:D

BigToe

Test that booster:D
It's OCZs job to be the ginne pig:D

OPP

[Lood007]

So, according to what I have seen here, the DFI likes OCZ EB memory a lot more than my P.O.S. MSI K8N Neo2.

Is this true from what you have seen, Tony?

Thanks

[Bennah]

Yes I'm very bummed :( No Love:D
Apparently they have one for me right now, it was suppose to be sent out on Thursday but no go. I guess it needed hardware changes and they weren't done untill Late Friday. I guess I get a beatup Beta board next week:D

In the meantime I think I will take down #1 spot in 3d2001 with MSI NEO4:D
I got my new FX55 chip last week but the NEO4 only gives me 1.7V max v-core so the chip maxxes out at 3420MHz or so. I'm hopeing DFI will take this chip into the 3600MHz clouds:D

BigToe

Test that booster:D
It's OCZs job to be the ginne pig:D

OPP

Now thats what we want to hear OPP, some 3D 01 action with the new hardware :D

Good luck with the DFI and your new FX55 ;)

[OPPAINTER]

Now thats what we want to hear OPP, some 3D 01 action with the new hardware :D

Good luck with the DFI and your new FX55 ;)

Yea if this MSI X800XT card can Overclock, 3D01 is mine, even at the low speed of 264x13. My new FX chip loves W2k unlike my last FX chip.
I'll modify my XT card and throw it on the Cascade today and see what I can do. At least MSI still loves me:D

OPP

[eva2000]

Im kinda struggling with Hynix based dimms which is weird as i have a pair here that do 300+ on an Epox 939 so it looks like the board is tuned to specific brands of memory IC and Hynix isn't one of them. I will be firing off an email to see if anything can be done for those looking to use dimms they have from older Intel rigs.

It might be more work for DFI, but they could release different bios versions for specific ram ? that way everyone is happy heh

[eva2000]

Yea if this MSI X800XT card can Overclock, 3D01 is mine, even at the low speed of 264x13. My new FX chip loves W2k unlike my last FX chip.
I'll modify my XT card and throw it on the Cascade today and see what I can do. At least MSI still loves me:D

OPP

what happen to the old FX-55 ? :D

[OPPAINTER]

what happen to the old FX-55 ? :D
I have no Idea, it was just sitting around for a month doing nothing, I went to throw in a rig and it was dead.

OPP

[Blindbat]

Yes I'm very bummed :( No Love:D
Apparently they have one for me right now, it was suppose to be sent out on Thursday but no go. I guess it needed hardware changes and they weren't done untill Late Friday. I guess I get a beatup Beta board next week:D

OPP


Ummm, should we assume that you did not entertain Vivian properly in Vegas and this is pay back time? lol....(still waiting to hear about that ''ummm...meeting''!)

[OPPAINTER]

Ummm, should we assume that you did not entertain Vivian properly in Vegas and this is pay back time? lol....(still waiting to hear about that ''ummm...meeting''!)
I never made it to meet with Vivian in Vegas:D I was tied up elsewhere when I was supose to go meet her.
So I have still yet to meet her:D

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

I had a chip that was good ;) but hated win2000 and loved 2003/xp ;)
The next chip loved 2000, but only hit 3425mhz at get this 1.675v. Pushing higher gained nothing.
Chips seem to be in 3 stages
win2000=3400mhz range
ones that hate win2000=3500-3600mhz
and the ones that we kill by accednet, lol

GL OPP :)
So what your saying is that even when I get more voltage for this chip it won't clock much more?

We'll just have to see:D I hope that is not the case.

OPP

[eva2000]

I never made it to meet with Vivian in Vegas:D I was tied up elsewhere when I was supose to go meet her.
So I have still yet to meet her:D

OPP

that explains your late delivery of your board! ;)

[|3ourne]

question for bigtoe :

wht voltage did you use for your micron memory modules . I have crucial ballistix and they have micron chips as well but which can do tighter timings . I just want a fair idea as to wht voltage to give em when I overclock them . :)

thanx

[OPPAINTER]

For the ava. joe I would say slight chance, but this is you, lol.
Whats the chip BTW? 0442GPMW? ;)

My wall was locked at 3426mhz, but again this chip ws win2000 stable so I didn't go outside to try winxp/2003 so maybe like the 3.55ghz one it also does love those OS and scales even higher as Max with the 3.55 in win2000 was 3377mhz or so :)
We got us a 0441 EPMW

OPP

[Overklokk]

We got us a 0441 EPMW

OPP

Hello!

are you going too take 01 with x800xt or an x850?

I think that i must get the new cascade upp and running soon so that i can give you some competition :)

But Good Luck in the hunt OPP !!

[choseone214]

We got us a 0441 EPMW


LMFAO exactly my chip that walled ta 3426mhz :( OCrookies also around this mark on his baker -100c cascade, and Ojdr2001 also same 0441epmw chip at 3380-3420mhz "r404 with freezing temps on the condensor"

So I hope we see something over 3450mhz to break this cycle with this chip stepping. :)

[Tony]

I see some thread hijacking here...;)...LOL

[Overklokk]

I see some thread hijacking here...;)...LOL
Sorry for the off topic :(

[Tony]

bigtoe ...

here my results. exact same settings like yours ;)

3500+ Winchester
MSI K8N Neo2
2x512 OCZ EL Rev.2

hmm dfi was much slower?

I found the same when beching my Epox 9NDA3+ for some reason the DFI is giving lower benches. i hit 4k unbuffered sandra on the Epox and came nowhere near on the DFI....email time I think.

here is my Epox unbuffered with the 3500EB, now this is at 290fsb but 10fsb more on the DFI will not give me the 4K the epox is giving.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20734

[tictac]

I found the same when beching my Epox 9NDA3+ for some reason the DFI is giving lower benches. i hit 4k unbuffered sandra on the Epox and came nowhere near on the DFI....email time I think.

DFI is always faster... have you check every setting in bios... maybe you forgot to enable certain features :(

[Tony]

DFI is always faster... have you check every setting in bios... maybe you forgot to enable certain features :(
DFI is NOT always faster....they like any manufacturer are always tweaking to find speed. Don't worry I will just fire off an email and they will look into it.;)

[Onepagebook]

if need any updated bios , let me know!;)

[cantankerous]

The DFI doesn't support Bank interleave or it is disabled which helps bandwidth greatly. Other boards usually have this enabled. This is also the reason the DFI is able to clock much higher as when it bank interleave is disabled you have much more headroom to work with. Happenedi with the DFI NF2 offerings. 250 on the DFI was same bench speed as NF7 at much slower.

[choseone214]

next time oyu guys bench NF4 wiht sisoftsandra watch that oyu can get really weird results via what multi you use.

on the asus sli

12x200=2400mhz=6200mb/s
13x200=2600mhz=5600mb/s

everytime It was way out of wack not sure if this is what some are seeing on sandra via the new NF4 boards.

[blinky]

next time oyu guys bench NF4 wiht sisoftsandra watch that oyu can get really weird results via what multi you use.

on the asus sli

12x200=2400mhz=6200mb/s
13x200=2600mhz=5600mb/s

everytime It was way out of wack not sure if this is what some are seeing on sandra via the new NF4 boards. on 939 the bandwidth is directly related to cpu speed as well as mem speed

[OPPAINTER]

Hello!

are you going too take 01 with x800xt or an x850?

I think that i must get the new cascade upp and running soon so that i can give you some competition :)

But Good Luck in the hunt OPP !!
I have a X800Xt here, 500/500 stock clocks. I never put it on cooling yet. Just got done with mods and I'll be playing tonight. I'll see what I can do at 3.4G on the FX and 1.7V with this NEO4 for now. I can tell you at 264x13 I'm already getting 233 in Lobby High with card at 520/560.

Bigtoe
Sorry about off topic. Thats my last post. I'll let you get on with your DFI thread:D

OPP

[choseone214]

12x200=2400mhz=6200mb/s
13x200=2600mhz=5600mb/s

everytime It was way out of wack not sure if this is what some are seeing on sandra via the new NF4 boards.

on 939 the bandwidth is directly related to cpu speed as well as mem speed

no 12x200 is faster than 13x200 in sandra ;) I know what it "SHOULD BE"

[Tony]

if need any updated bios , let me know!;)
I have the bios files m8...they have issue though...ask Oskar as he has been working with Wesley.

This board it seems is tuned pretty much for TCCD which i feel is bad. Many will want to use modules they already have from previous builds. Im sure we will see a few more bios builds during the next 2 weeks.

[Tony]

next time oyu guys bench NF4 wiht sisoftsandra watch that oyu can get really weird results via what multi you use.

on the asus sli

12x200=2400mhz=6200mb/s
13x200=2600mhz=5600mb/s

everytime It was way out of wack not sure if this is what some are seeing on sandra via the new NF4 boards.

Its also CPU dependant, my 3800+ gives higher bandwidth than the FX53 i have. I also know the FX55 gives even higher reported bandwidth so its all down to memory controllers.

[enduracell]

I found the same when beching my Epox 9NDA3+ for some reason the DFI is giving lower benches. i hit 4k unbuffered sandra on the Epox and came nowhere near on the DFI....email time I think.

here is my Epox unbuffered with the 3500EB, now this is at 290fsb but 10fsb more on the DFI will not give me the 4K the epox is giving.DFI has memory interleaving option completely off, EPOX has it on 2 like many manufacturers. Could u please email Oskar and ask him include a memory interleaving option (disable, 2 and 4) in final debut BIOS?
thank you. :toast:

[Sgt_Strider]

Bigtoe, I was wondering if you have PDP/Patriot TCCD Rams to test with? I bought 2 Dimms not too long ago and it would be great if the board works well with the RAM that I got.

[wicktron]

Bigtoe, I was wondering if you have PDP/Patriot TCCD Rams to test with? I bought 2 Dimms not too long ago and it would be great if the board works well with the RAM that I got.

He already said he can only test with OCZ RAM

[reject]

i wonder why dfi never use bank interleave? they said it doesnt do anything when we asked them

[mrlobber]

This board it seems is tuned pretty much for TCCD which i feel is bad. Many will want to use modules they already have from previous builds. Im sure we will see a few more bios builds during the next 2 weeks.

Weren't your results with BH-5 pretty good as well? :confused:

DFI has memory interleaving option completely off, EPOX has it on 2 like many manufacturers. Could u please email Oskar and ask him include a memory interleaving option (disable, 2 and 4) in final debut BIOS?

Obviously, the A64Tweaker cannot change that?

[krampak]

Its also CPU dependant, my 3800+ gives higher bandwidth than the FX53 i have. I also know the FX55 gives even higher reported bandwidth so its all down to memory controllers.

My old Winchester 3200+ gave me about 700MB/s more than my FX55 with the same config and mobo. See it here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46295&highlight=bandwidth).

[[G.N.U.]Fragman]

He already said he can only test with OCZ RAM

any news on what to expect with OCZ pc4200EL then (2*512mb) ??

[Tony]

Fragman']any news on what to expect with OCZ pc4200EL then (2*512mb) ??
I don't have any 4200EL Platinum here to test although my 3200Plat rev2 does do similar speeds. My hynix based 4200EL is not so hot which is weird as it does 300 or so on other 939 boards i have tested.

[xgman]

Tony, I may have missed it, but how does the LT multiplier scale with the HTT. You said if set at 5X it started to scale down as you increased the HTT. Can you explain what exactly you were seeing and where? Thanks.

Also what was the "sweet spot" for your newer tccd sticks voltage wise.

[abstrakt]

PLEASE include Bank Interleaving!! :(

They'll lose my potential order if they dont include it.

I dont want second rate performance. :mad:

Same.

[tictac]

So there is Bank Interleaving issues :(

Can somebody confirm this?

[[G.N.U.]Fragman]

already ordered the sli-DR and a 3200+ winny and a little leadtek gf6800GT pci-e...so soon i will ask you guys about all the new things :)

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D O.K. - am I wrong or are the MOSFETs placed on that board on the right side of the CPU and not as usual on the left ?

:toast:

[abstrakt]

Also, are the temperature and voltage sensors actually remotely accurate on this board? It's :banana::banana::banana::banana:ING expensive, I expect the sensors to atleast work properly unlike the S754 Lanparty's sensors.

Edit: Damn bananas.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

Fragman']already ordered the sli-DR and a 3200+ winny and a little leadtek gf6800GT pci-e...so soon i will ask you guys about all the new things :)
:D BTW - I think we will ask YOU.........., and "soon" also can be many weeks !

:toast:

[cantankerous]

oi Tony, does the bios support boot from USB Flash Drive? I would like to rid if my floppy if so. Thanks.

[Onepagebook]

I have the bios files m8...they have issue though...ask Oskar as he has been working with Wesley.

This board it seems is tuned pretty much for TCCD which i feel is bad. Many will want to use modules they already have from previous builds. Im sure we will see a few more bios builds during the next 2 weeks.


ya I can tell..
I got 5 bios here already.. :D

[cantankerous]

hehe please share any differences you are noticing.

I assume a bios saviour isnt needed on this board either like it was on the NF2 right? I may reuse mine anyways just for the heck of it. Better to be safe than sorry and having two different bioses to compare to would be handy as well.

[Tony]

oi Tony, does the bios support boot from USB Flash Drive? I would like to rid if my floppy if so. Thanks.
No option to boot from usb in bios although you can chose other devices.

[cantankerous]

bah that sucks! I thought people were saying the 250UT had boot from usb flash drive so I was hoping this would too. Much ghettoer mb's are supporting this. I want to rid of my floppy but would still like to be able to flash bioses, run fdisk etc.

BTW... what are the chances of getting OCZ Memtest imbedded into this bios like the 250? That would be awesome.

[eva2000]

No option to boot from usb in bios although you can chose other devices.
seems bios is going backwards ? or teething issues ?

[cantankerous]

can you confirm the 250 had boot from usb flash eva?

[eva2000]

i'm vaguely sure :o pc in use so can't reboot now :)

[metro.cl]

hmmm its not looking good, dfi must do something. Not a bit impresive

[tictac]

hmmm its not looking good, dfi must do something. Not a bit impresive
Does Cool n Quite working with 2 stick memory? ;)

[Prometheus]

The BIG news is that the Ultra chipset can be easily modded to become an SLI. You can see the details just posted at Morphing nForce4 Ultra into nForce4 SLI at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2322. Once this simple mod is made to the $140 LANParty UT it is 100% nVidia SLI with both slots behaving as x8/x8. There is aslo the additional option of x16/x2 dual-video.

[cantankerous]

Very nice indeed. Seems incredibly easy to do. I am sure many people are going to be getting this board instead now. I wonder if this is the 'big news' bigtoe said he was going to tell us as soon as the NDA is up?

The performance increase using 16/2 is still a lot better than a single card regardless. In far cry 16/2 is faster than 8/8.

[situman]

sales of the true SLI DFI is gonna suffer because of this. But then again, they can raise the price of the Ultra chipset.

[xgman]

ya I can tell..
I got 5 bios here already.. :D


anything past 114?

[kraggy]

Does anyone know when us "mortals" can order a DFI NF4 DR SLI mobo? I just pulled the trigger on 2 PCI-E 6800 Ultras and want the DFI mobo for them. I can buy it any time....starting from right now!!! :D :D

[reject]

since all this stuff is coming out so soon, i really wonder why people went thru all the hassle of 939 nf3. better to sit tight on xp-m or 754
you can buy it in aus already its 270$ for the ultra D ~ 200$ usa
but like the 250gb UT i bet the price will go down, it came out at 295, then dropped to 245 which is when i got it and now its 200

[eva2000]

wonder if there are bios differences between DFI NF4 SLI-DR, SLI and Ultra-D, wonder what would happen if you flashed NF4 SLI-DR or SLI bios on Ultra-D too heh

[Cid]

bigtoe,

You mentioned that the board is like geared towards TCCD ram :(

The only memory I have is some old school 3700EB which I plan on using when I go to A64. Have you tested this board out with some 3700EB and if you did, how well did it perform? Thanks.

[RAINFIRE]

Does anyone know when us "mortals" can order a DFI NF4 DR SLI mobo? I just pulled the trigger on 2 PCI-E 6800 Ultras and want the DFI mobo for them. I can buy it any time....starting from right now!!! :D :D

Latest word is January 24th to 28th when they start selling on national retailer.

Socket 939 K8T890 , nForce4, SiS 756, Radeon Xpress 200 Next Gen Motherboard Pricing and Availability List (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=638014#post638014)

[Prometheus]

wonder if there are bios differences between DFI NF4 SLI-DR, SLI and Ultra-D, wonder what would happen if you flashed NF4 SLI-DR or SLI bios on Ultra-D too heh

The BIOS appears to be the same on both boards. There are still some BIOS issues with certain mode combinations on certain BIOS Rev's, so updates are expected.

The boards perform well with TCCD and BH5, but not so great with Hynix memory.

[Tony]

Well guys seems the big secret is out on Anandtech.

If you are wondering I can answer a few questions for you.

1 both the Ultra D and SLI use the same bios.
2 If you mod the chipset both boards are identicle apart from the SI SATA
3 The Ultra will do 16X 2X and 8X 8X dependant on what driver and if you do the chipset mod.

So...Ultra D = SLI...pretty cool eh?

[primeX]

i saw that article earlier and wondered if that indeed was the "big" secret! Well, looks like I was right! That is unbelievable! Where can you get a sli bridge? :banana4:

[Nube]

whats "memory interleaving" ??

also running raid 0 and around 260fsb might cause it to cause some problems on ultra ?

[ejc00]

for those of us in the US:
Ultra:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246486
SLI-DR:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=246485

[Lood007]

bigtoe,

You mentioned that the board is like geared towards TCCD ram :(

The only memory I have is some old school 3700EB which I plan on using when I go to A64. Have you tested this board out with some 3700EB and if you did, how well did it perform? Thanks.


I am wondering the same.
I have some 3700EB that my MSI K8N Neo2 hates. Will the DFI play nice with it?

[eva2000]

Great news indeed all we now is lower PCI-E card prices heh

seems reports that Prolink and Gainward 6600GT PCI-E cards aren't working in SLI mode on at least A8N-E. Someone over at OCAU forums flashed Gainward 6600GT's bios with MSI 6600GT PCI-E bios and now it works fine in SLI mode!

[Bourch]

Waiting for the ultra-d (to do the sli mod) :banana:

I've got a pair of ADATA DDR500 on my UT 250Gb, so I'm going to sell them and buy a pair of OCZ but don't know wich ones

1024MB 2x512 Kit Rev.2 OCZ4001024 ELDCPER2-K 284,00 €

or

1024MB 2x512 Kit Voltage eXtreme 263,00 €

[Tony]

Either is good...i actually like low latency over high fsb speeds but either will be real fast.

[Tony]

I am wondering the same.
I have some 3700EB that my MSI K8N Neo2 hates. Will the DFI play nice with it?
I have fired an email off to DFI asking for a tweak in the bios to get EB and Hynix based dimms running a little better.

Im sure by the time retail boards hit you will see better perfomance...so i wouldn't worry.

[Lood007]

I have fired an email off to DFI asking for a tweak in the bios to get EB and Hynix based dimms running a little better.

Im sure by the time retail boards hit you will see better perfomance...so i wouldn't worry.

thanks a ton, tony
we really appreciate your help and information over here.
thanks again

[Cid]

thanks a ton, tony
we really appreciate your help and information over here.
thanks again

I second that. Thanks for looking out for us EB users :up:

[Rabbi_NZ]

That's good of DFI to make both boards nearly identical... most users wont know abuot the mod or even have the balls to try... but DFI is obviously looking after the enthusiasts here :toast:

Thanks for the info Bigtoe

[Tony]

Guys my EB does 275fsb on the dfi or so but i have seen as high as 290 on other boards so its only a slight issue...nothing to really worry about. i have spoken with the DFI guru's and they are looking into it ASAP...they have the ram so we should see a bios soon.

[Cid]

Guys my EB does 275fsb on the dfi or so but i have seen as high as 290 on other boards so its only a slight issue...nothing to really worry about. i have spoken with the DFI guru's and they are looking into it ASAP...they have the ram so we should see a bios soon.

How much vdimm are you using?

[ZaVkE]

Is DFI planning on releasing a nf4 board with a AGP-slot? (and maybe some pci express slots also)

[cantankerous]

Tony or whoever one last question. Does this board support the boot menu when pressing esc during post like on the NF2 boards. I found this much easier to change boot devices on the fly instead of always going into the bios before and after a change is to be made.

[Lood007]

Is DFI planning on releasing a nf4 board with a AGP-slot? (and maybe some pci express slots also)

if I'm not mistaken, NForce4 only comes in PCI-Express flavors.

[Doumz]

Nf4 is not Agp compatible

However Dfi told they would release a 939 NF3 After the Nforce4

[tictac]

AGP is dead... throw away your agp card :slap:

get some PCI-X :banana:

[jjcom]

PCI-E is for Graphics...PCI-X is used on servers

jjcom

[Blindbat]

Tony,

Can you give us a screen shot of CPUZ motherboard and confirm that the chipset is a3, and not a2 as it seem on the Gigabyte product.

[Killeroy]

Hmmm... I think A2 is for nForce4-4x and A3 is for nForce4-Ultra and -SLI?

Killeroy.

[Blindbat]

Hmmm... I think A2 is for nForce4-4x and A3 is for nForce4-Ultra and -SLI?

Killeroy.

Why in the name off god would they bring hypertransport of 800Mhz to the 939 Platform when it is a socket 754 standard? Move defective silicon for nvidia, to save them money so they don't have to toss it in the bin can?

I don't get it?? I'm obviously missing something here?? Socket 939 Sempron?

[jjcom]

no, as far as I can see they just don't want to throw 'em out. And why should they? I mean 800mhz HT vs 1ghz is nothing. So its not like its killing preformance.

jjcom

[Blindbat]

no, as far as I can see they just don't want to throw 'em out. And why should they? I mean 800mhz HT vs 1ghz is nothing. So its not like its killing preformance.

jjcom


Lol, would you take the same stand if this was your memory speed we were talking about?

Don't forget we are talking a duplex link here....400 Mhz on the way side, and no I don't like the idea of communicating with my processor at 800 MHZx 2 when it can do 1000 x 2!

[jjcom]

no I wouldn't, but 3x vs 4x isn't that big of difference and 5x vs 4x isn't that big of a difference.

jjcom

[Blindbat]

no I wouldn't, but 3x vs 4x isn't that big of difference and 5x vs 4x isn't that big of a difference.

jjcom

According to my calculator it is 400Mhz...any which way u look at it. AMD did not design a chip to communicate on an HT of 1000 Mhs just for my blue eyes!

Moot point, just want confirmation that A03 is used on DFI nforce 4 please
(if only ATI had a solid chipset out...arrggggghhh)

[reject]

who cares? HT multis are only a hassle to remember to change when ocing

[Bourch]

Either is good...i actually like low latency over high fsb speeds but either will be real fast.

I think my next mem will be VX. Only one prob. My old Enermax 430W doesn't allow 3.3V rail increase so I'll pray for the new mobo to do it well from the 5v rail. If not, then I'll check for a guide to mod the psu and if can't (it would be my first attempt with a vmod) I'll get a booster.

These PRE-DFI posts with bigtoe and OPP are maybe more addictive than a seasson of 24 (Jack Bauer) lol
:slobber:

[primeX]

anyone know how much space is available between the two pci-e slots? :stick:

[OPPAINTER]

Bigtoe

I just got my DFI SLI-DR.
Solid board, Nice and thick heavyduty PCB:)

I have things to do today but I want to hook the board up to my Cascade tonight first thing.

My Question is, which one of these caps do I solder to for the 3.3V mem mod? I want it done before I fire up the board.

Thanks.

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

anyone know how much space is available between the two pci-e slots? :stick:
From the bottom of top slot to the top of the bottom slot is 1 1/4"

OPP

[Ferry82]

Bigtoe

I just got my DFI SLI-DR.
Solid board, Nice and thick heavyduty PCB:)

I have things to do today but I want to hook the board up to my Cascade tonight first thing.

My Question is, which one of these caps do I solder to for the 3.3V mem mod? I want it done before I fire up the board.

Thanks.

OPP

I know you are the PRO :D but the DFI have a option too 4v.
I am sure you know this :confused: I dont understand this.

[Tony]

From the bottom of top slot to the top of the bottom slot is 1 1/4"

OPP

OPP, no voltmod needed. Just leave the board on 3.3V and crank up the 3.3V line, or give the board a go with the 5V jumper but make sure you cool the top right of the board.

I have word there is going to be a new bios to bring the ram bandwidth up...so it may be worth holding off on benches for a day or so.

[JNav89GT]

you guys make me sick! Getting these toys ahead of me :)
NO really! I'm envious as I really want to use that DFI too. I am really drooling over the DFI and some OCZ VX.

[Blindbat]

OPP,

Seems it's not documented in the pdf manual, here is where that 3.3 to 5 volts bridge is, lower right red circle:

http://www.devilsword.com/lpnf4/lpnf4vdimm.jpg

[mrlobber]

I have word there is going to be a new bios to bring the ram bandwidth up...so it may be worth holding off on benches for a day or so.

Wow, the situation seems to be getting better and better each day although the boards themselves are not yet available in retail :banana:

Eagerly awaiting your benches, Opp.

[OPPAINTER]

I have word there is going to be a new bios to bring the ram bandwidth up...so it may be worth holding off on benches for a day or so.
Thanks.

Well as far as benching, I've been waiting for at least a month now due to broken down parts. I won't wait any longer, it's time to bench:D

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

OPP,

Seems it's not documented in the pdf manual, here is where that 3.3 to 5 volts bridge is, lower right red circle:

http://www.devilsword.com/lpnf4/lpnf4vdimm.jpg
Wow, I guess you just move the Jumper over for the 5V?

OPP

[choseone214]

Can't wait for your results OPP. :) Lets hope this board does what the NF3 754 DFI did for your 3dmark score at the time :D

[Zebo]

WOW! BH-5 still the bomb after all these years.

In real world tests that BH-5 you have running right there will destroy any TCCD. A64 prefers LL over bandwidth except in silly synthetics like sisuck.
As I show here:http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1475190


Course both is ideal. But I'd take LL over bandwidth anyday.

[Blindbat]

Wow, I guess you just move the Jumper over for the 5V?

OPP

Yip, so it seems. Sadly I don't have a board to confirm 100%, so send me your's and I'll reconfirm...lol

[Onepagebook]

Wow, I guess you just move the Jumper over for the 5V?

OPP


yes the circle is what did :D
Oskar wu told me that long time ago...:D


OPB

[OPPAINTER]

DFI,, DFI,, :slapass: :slapass:

The Chipset fan is to High for ATI cards:D
Yes If you plan on getting the DFI 939 board and you have an ATI card be prepared to Change the Chipset heatsink:D

They should have sent this board a month ago :ROTF:
I can't believe they never tryed to sick an ATI card in:D

OPP

[Zebo]

You're supposed to use two nvidia cards:D...but that's good to know..XTPE I presume.

[Onepagebook]

DFI,, DFI,, :slapass: :slapass:

The Chipset fan is to High for ATI cards:D
Yes If you plan on getting the DFI 939 board and you have an ATI card be prepared to Change the Chipset heatsink:D

They should have sent this board a month ago :ROTF:
I can't believe they never tryed to sick an ATI card in:D

OPP

what the.... :eek:
but if you got sli board, you still have the other one to insert that ati..:D


edit: ooops...I am wrong...still be blocked :(

[Blindbat]

DFI,, DFI,, :slapass: :slapass:

The Chipset fan is to High for ATI cards:D
Yes If you plan on getting the DFI 939 board and you have an ATI card be prepared to Change the Chipset heatsink:D

They should have sent this board a month ago :ROTF:
I can't believe they never tryed to sick an ATI card in:D

OPP

Rats , I like this magnetic levitation fan...rats....anyway to pound it down..try 3 pounder sledge hammer after all it's only a 6 layers mobo, never know what the 5 pounder will do.

let us know ....lol!

On a more serious note however OPP, if one was to use a dremell and chip away the contour of the cooler to the max possible, would it fit then?

Crap now I need to find a chipset cooler...crap !

[jikdoc]

@OPP:

what are the clearances between the two sli slots? i'm trying to plan out a gpu watercooling setup and need to know if a block with 19mm profile would be able to comfortably fit between the 2 cards. given clearance with stuff from the back of the other card, i'm hoping there's at least 25mm between the 2 slots.

what are the clearances for around the chipset with respect to the graphics card, would a waterblock fit in any orientation underneath installed gfx cards?

[uwackme]

Think I heard it was 1.625" spacing on the x16 slots.

OPP... what voltages are you running on your X800 gpu/mem?

[OPPAINTER]

Rats , I like this magnetic levitation fan...rats....anyway to pound it down..try 3 pounder sledge hammer after all it's only a 6 layers mobo, never know what the 5 pounder will do.

let us know ....lol!

On a more serious note however OPP, if one was to use a dremell and chip away the contour of the cooler to the max possible, would it fit then?

Crap now I need to find a chipset cooler...crap !

No, the fan itself sits to high. You could take away all the Metal and set the fan on the Silicone and it would still be to high. Just kidding:D

But no, you can't do it because of the fan.


OPP

[OPPAINTER]

@OPP:

what are the clearances between the two sli slots? i'm trying to plan out a gpu watercooling setup and need to know if a block with 19mm profile would be able to comfortably fit between the 2 cards. given clearance with stuff from the back of the other card, i'm hoping there's at least 25mm between the 2 slots.

what are the clearances for around the chipset with respect to the graphics card, would a waterblock fit in any orientation underneath installed gfx cards?
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=674993#post674993

OPP

[Blindbat]

No, the fan itself sits to high. You could take away all the Metal and set the fan on the Silicone and it would still be to high. Just kidding:D

But no, you can't do it because of the fan.


OPP

%$#&?%$#....i not like bananas...talk about a f*ck up, frankly dissapointing to hear of such a shall i remain polite and say ..error!

Ok, plan B let's see if we can dremell the new X800 XL...but let's see the result of the dremelling on your X850 PE first OPP, just so I know how to do it on mine.

[jikdoc]

lol,

thanks opp, that's what i get for jumping to the last page of the thread. sorry for the repeat question.

how tall is the chipset fan that it blocks the ati card? 3rd party chipset coolers probably wouldn't fit if the stock one is too tall, i guess you're stuck with using a low profile waterblock or scavenging a chipset fan from an old board

[tictac]

how about.....

take away the heatsink from the chipset...
and just do....
direct air cooling to the chipset from external fan? :)

Will it burn? :lol:

[OPPAINTER]

how about.....

take away the heatsink from the chipset...
and just do....
direct air cooling to the chipset from external fan? :)

Will it burn? :lol:
My lttle blue Asus H/S on it now is frying big time, hot, hot.

OPP

[conrad.maranan]

My lttle blue Asus H/S on it now is frying big time, hot, hot.

OPP
Grab a spray bottle and give it a little spritz from time to time. :D

[trakslacker]

No, the fan itself sits to high. You could take away all the Metal and set the fan on the Silicone and it would still be to high. Just kidding:D

But no, you can't do it because of the fan.


OPP

Man that is a kick in the pants. :eek:

I would go SLI, but cannot afford 2x cards, and when it comes down to single cards vs. single cards I have a very strong preference for ATi. It's really a bummer that these cards are basically on the street, thus no chance for a quick fix.

What are the odds that DFI might make a revision of the board in the near future with an ATi compatible chipset fan?

[abstrakt]

Oh what the hell, how can they do that? I'm getting a K8N now, f**k DFI.

[zakelwe]

My lttle blue Asus H/S on it now is frying big time, hot, hot.

OPP

How's the new FX-55 going with the extra volts ? Did it hit a brick wall at 3400 or so, or is it overclocking more ?

Regards

Andy

[manalainen]

Hel-löy?

1st post on this board, about that ATI thing, check out this thread (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4645) from the DFI-boards...

It seems that Angry_Games (DFI-street admin) is running his NF4 SLI-DR board with an ATI X850 XT PE with no clearance problems whatsoever...

Before we get more information (Which make and model of an ATI PCIe card doesn´t fit) and more evidence (pictures) I would tend to believe that it will be quite possible to install an PCIe ATI card to either of the PCIe 16x slots. So calm down, I don´t think there is need to panic or overreact.

Ok, I have to say this even though it could mean a little or nothing in the end: His board is not the latest version, i.e. "The Production Version" board that most of you peeps will get from the stores within a couple of weeks. It *doesn´t* differ visually or component wise from the production board, the chipset fan is the same. The only difference should be in it´s BIOS. That said, y'all just relax and while away your time doing something creative. (Like frantically browsing the hardware sites waiting for the first reviews of this board to be published... :D )

[FallenAngel]

Welcome to XS !!!

[Feiticeira]

A lot of us have this board on pre-order and have x800XL's or whatever on order aswell, can you please tell us what cards dont fit and if it will be fixed by the time the shops get these boards?

Dave

[manalainen]

Hi!

And thanks for the welcome! :)

Hmmm...

...can you please tell us what cards dont fit and if it will be fixed by the time the shops get these boards?
I do not work for DFI (Nor am I in anyway affiliated with them) so I really have no idea about that. I can only rely on information that I find from the net. But I think it would be safe to trust Angry_Games's words about this...

incorrect. ATI X850XT fits perfect, as does an X800XL. All ATI cards will fit this board without any problem in either PCI-E slot.
Linkage:
DFI Forums thread about the NF4 SLI-DR (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4645)

[choseone214]

How's the new FX-55 going with the extra volts ? Did it hit a brick wall at 3400 or so, or is it overclocking more ?

Regards

Andy

I would like to know also? I will do runs today with my new fx55 and this time if its a good chip like before you can use it for awhile since It looks lke ATI isn't shipping those damm pre-ordered 850's still :mad:

My lttle blue Asus H/S on it now is frying big time, hot, hot.

OPP

Time for the old days when we slapped a tec on the chipset ;)
http://img64.exs.cx/img64/1700/nf20pl.jpg

;)

[Patrickclouds]

hello,
I also preordered this board (sli-dr), but i´m not shure which graficcard to get.
but i prefer the x800xl.
the board here in germany will be released on 28th or 31th january.
has anybody a picture of the board with an ati card, so we could see that it will fit

[tictac]

I do not work for DFI (Nor am I in anyway affiliated with them) so I really have no idea about that. I can only rely on information that I find from the net. But I think it would be safe to trust Angry_Games's words about this...
Linkage:
DFI Forums thread about the NF4 SLI-DR (http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4645)

:lol: you are refering to someone who work with DFI... :slap:

[manalainen]

Off topic post follows (sorry, I just couldn´t resist replying...):

>TicTac:
If I got it right you are poking me for saying I´m not in anyway affiliated with DFI, right?

I frequent and have even registered to that forum but that doesn´t make me *affiliated* with DFI or with Angry_Games for that matter. I´m not a member of DFI and I do not work for Angry_Games.

--
From the Dictionary.com:

Affiliated:
1. To adopt or accept as a member, subordinate associate, or branch: The HMO affiliated the clinics last year.
2. To associate (oneself) as a subordinate, subsidiary, employee, or member: affiliated herself with a new law firm.
3. To assign the origin of.

v. intr.
To become closely connected or associated: The two unions voted to affiliate.

n. (--t, -t)
A person, organization, or establishment associated with another as a subordinate, subsidiary, or member: network affiliates.

[Medieval Latin afflire, to adopt : Latin ad-, ad- + Latin flius, son; see dh(i)- in Indo-European Roots.]af·fili·ation n.
--

Further replies to this particular piece of off-topicism can be PM´d to me, (That is if anyone should bother...) Thanks! :)

[AMDnewbie]

can anyone confirm whether there is 4 holes on the mobo ? particularly below the hsf holder :D..I want to mount my H20 block.....want put my winnie on H20 else had to think of a way to mount my H20 block....

thanks

[xgman]

I would like to know also? I will do runs today with my new fx55 and this time if its a good chip like before you can use it for awhile since It looks lke ATI isn't shipping those damm pre-ordered 850's still :mad:




;)

The 850's are shipping. Mine is on the way.

[trans am]

http://www.angrygames.com/pics/nf4/nf4sli_5.jpg

this is the board with an x850xt pe installed. Crappy picture. OPP, you have an MSI x800xt pci-e.. is it the same ati refference design? Same damn pcb etc? this pic from Angry_Games's is really bad. it doesn't show much, but that is indeed a x850 xt pe.

[Blindbat]

this is the board with an x850xt pe installed. Crappy picture. OPP, you have an MSI x800xt pci-e.. is it the same ati refference design? Same damn pcb etc? this pic from Angry_Games's is really bad. it doesn't show much, but that is indeed a x850 xt pe.

Ummm...pic is scary in a sense for it looks like it would be a challenge to place a second similar graphic card in there...

Anywho, Ultra is what I ordered and now that 850 fits....so does X800 XL (on order). I'm happy...just got to be patient and wait for the stuff.

[Kobalt]

Off topic post follows (sorry, I just couldn´t resist replying...):

>TicTac:
If I got it right you are poking me for saying I´m not in anyway affiliated with DFI, right?

I frequent and have even registered to that forum but that doesn´t make me *affiliated* with DFI or with Angry_Games for that matter. I´m not a member of DFI and I do not work for Angry_Games.

--
From the Dictionary.com:

Affiliated:
1. To adopt or accept as a member, subordinate associate, or branch: The HMO affiliated the clinics last year.
2. To associate (oneself) as a subordinate, subsidiary, employee, or member: affiliated herself with a new law firm.
3. To assign the origin of.

v. intr.
To become closely connected or associated: The two unions voted to affiliate.

n. (--t, -t)
A person, organization, or establishment associated with another as a subordinate, subsidiary, or member: network affiliates.

[Medieval Latin afflire, to adopt : Latin ad-, ad- + Latin flius, son; see dh(i)- in Indo-European Roots.]af·fili·ation n.
--

Further replies to this particular piece of off-topicism can be PM´d to me, (That is if anyone should bother...) Thanks! :)


All tictac is saying is you're trusting angry games who works for DFI...

he never said you are affiliated with DFI.

and what the hell are you doing giving him a definition of affiliated? do you think hes stupid or something?? You have 3 posts; show some respect and respect will be shown to you

/off topic


considering an x850 fits, maybe its an x800 wont fit? OPP where is the fan blocking? The pcb or heatsink on your card?

[RAINFIRE]

So do they frickin' fit or not? Does OPP have an old reference board or have the designs changed? I tend to believe OPP when he says they don't.

[xgman]

We need a definitive answer from DFI on this one.

[del_fuego]

From the pic trans am posted i guess that it does fit.

[Kobalt]

thats an x850 though....a x800 series might not fit

[Wolf]

"before you go crying out 'omg there's a problem already!' realize that I have a board that isn't the final board, and OCZ Tony himself has the latest revision of board with a different BIOS than I have. I am checking into it."

In the above quote, angry says his board isn't the final revision. It's all specualtion at this point but my guess is Opp knows how to install a videocard.

[OPPAINTER]

http://www.angrygames.com/pics/nf4/nf4sli_5.jpg

this is the board with an x850xt pe installed. Crappy picture. OPP, you have an MSI x800xt pci-e.. is it the same ati refference design? Same damn pcb etc? this pic from Angry_Games's is really bad. it doesn't show much, but that is indeed a x850 xt pe.
I have ATI X300, ATI X800XT and this MSI XT800 card. None of them fit.
I have the SLI board, Maybe the the Ultra version uses a smaller H/S, I doubt it though.

OPP

[choseone214]

OPP, the chipset cooler is in the way of the cards? sorry If I missed what the issue Is here.

[OPPAINTER]

OPP, the chipset cooler is in the way of the cards? sorry If I missed what the issue Is here.
Reread from the last page:D

OPP

[Blindbat]

I have ATI X300, ATI X800XT and this MSI XT800 card. None of them fit.
I have the SLI board, Maybe the the Ultra version uses a smaller H/S, I doubt it though.

OPP

That's also an SLI board OPP that A_G is using, now at stake is : Is the board he has a pre-release board ( possible ) and final board ( which I think u said u have ) somehow, somewhere components shifted by design ~ darn puzzling this one.


choseone214:

Franklly dude how hard is it to go back a couple pages to read the thread, as oppose to asking people to repeat themselves....geezzz seriously !

[OPPAINTER]

OPP... what voltages are you running on your X800 gpu/mem?
When I used it on the cascade the other day I found it ran at 1.95/2.4 to get 789/659. I still have to work on the card, I think it will do higher core MHz with more volts.

OPP

[esdee]

maybe the card is half the way in the slot ...

[kraggy]

Hey Opp, did DFI include a 20 to 24 pin ATX adapter in the box? I want to know if I have to order that seperate from my DFI NF4 DR-SLI purchase.

[OPPAINTER]

That's also an SLI board OPP that A_G is using, now at stake is : Is the board he has a pre-release board ( possible ) and final board ( which I think u said u have ) somehow, somewhere components shifted by design ~ darn puzzling this one.


All I know about this board is it came in the box with all the goodies like a real one. I also know they did some mods on it before they sent it so it can't be mass production.

There are only 2 ways they would have to do things to modify this board, a lower H/F or taller PCI-E x16 slots. Taller slots would throw the card mounting bractet out of alignment though.
Frankly I don't care about the Chipset heatsink, I always change them anyway.

OPP

[Blindbat]

Hey Opp, did DFI include a 20 to 24 pin ATX adapter in the box? I want to know if I have to order that seperate from my DFI NF4 DR-SLI purchase.

DFI tech support already stated they will NOT support 20 to 24 (or very close to similar comments), they insist that an ATX 12 PSU be used, and all 24 pins connected.

Check dfi-street on that one.

Look in this thread:
http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3447&perpage=15&pagenumber=35

[OPPAINTER]

I was useing the 5v jumper for memory last night.
It works good, it ran my VX at 3.65 without problems.

OPP

[FallenAngel]

that's good news

[Blindbat]

There are only 2 ways they would have to do things to modify this board, a lower H/F or taller PCI-E x16 slots. Taller slots would throw the card mounting bractet out of alignment though.
OPP

Or move the darn chipset away from that stupid location ! With plenty of experience from 754 boards for example, one would think manufacturer would have learned something there.

(as for final board, sorry I think Tony said that he had final board, I guess I assumed same for you )

[Blindbat]

I was useing the 5v jumper for memory last night.
It works good, it ran my VX at 3.65 without problems.

OPP

Running hot in that corner of that bridge even with the h/s on the mofset? fan required or suggested when on 5 volts setting?

[OPPAINTER]

Running hot in that corner of that bridge even with the h/s on the mofset? fan required or suggested when on 5 volts setting?
I'm not useing a fan over there and every thing seems ok.

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

As far as the chipset heatsink It may have a problem because I'm useing my cascade on the CPU.
When I tighten down the evap it bows the mobo a tad, this may be bending it enough to make the gpu card touch the chipset.
Someone on a air setup will have to try it.

OPP

[Blindbat]

I'm not useing a fan over there and every thing seems ok.

OPP

Ah well that is also good news then, there was some mixed comments about that even from Oscar it seems.

[trakslacker]

I sure hope what OPP said above is correct. Time for me to stop speculating and trust that DFI will have everything worked out for the release.

[choseone214]

Opp make yourself one of these.
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/o.jpg

use #6 bolts and since the holes are just big enough in the mobo for #6 make sure you drill accurate. after you do the 9 holes place the mobo in the support and make 2 #6 holes where you would use the hold down then apply 2 3in #6 bolts to the board with the exact same height as the stand offs with the washers and so on so it looks like this
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/s.jpg

add some foam like this
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/r.jpg

install it and get this
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/p.jpg
http://www.jason57.iwarp.com/msineo2/q.jpg

I gaurt you nothings going to warp at all as I uses some massive force now wihtout any issues.. If you get my design right you could add 200lbs force to the chip wihtout a warp anywhere.

I had issues rem and I think this was my cure. :)

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

As far as the chipset heatsink It may have a problem because I'm useing my cascade on the CPU.
When I tighten down the evap it bows the mobo a tad, this may be bending it enough to make the gpu card touch the chipset.
Someone on a air setup will have to try it.

OPP

:D Let's see some results - did You already bench the board ???

:toast:

[manalainen]

Ok, I hereby make a public apology for misunderstanding and overreacting to TicTac´s post.

TicTac, I am sorry.

The thing that I hanged on to was the affiliated part, I just wanted to make it clear what it means and obviously it appeared to be a bit too strong or even a childish/nerdy response. I don´t usually try to mitigate things if I have been an ass but all I can say at the moment is this is a trying time for me IRL, it would have propably been best if I hadn´t posted at all...

About trusting a DFI employee who is also a PR person directly in contact with the core usergroup of DFI´s products, the enthusiasts? Considering the seriousness of this possible design flaw, if he says that a particular videocard, in this case an ATI Radeon X850 XT PE (A reference design) fits the board (Physically the same as reference design and a production board) then I have a tendency to believe him, yes...

This is a thing that can be easily proven in seconds if a person has the required components so why would he lie? He would upset a quite a lot of people by doing that and besides, DFI would loose an assload of core usergroups customers for a long time if it really were true. (And looking at the recent information it seems that it is a close fit but the cards mount as they are supposed to...) I also seem to remember calling for further info before beheading DFI, i.e. which card model from which manufacturer etc. didn´t fit? Just trying to alleviate panic, that´s all...

P.s. I don´t equate a post count with anything else than the number of posts a person has made with that particular nick. Ok? It was not my particular intention to piss on anyones shoes, quite the contrary.

If anyone wants to discuss this with me further there is always the PM option... Don´t want to pollute this thread with any more off topic posts... k?

[OPPAINTER]

Some pictures.

OPP
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22925&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22926&stc=1

[Alexandrus]

Clearly, the board is bent and thus the video card touches the cooling on the NB. The original cooling that is ;)

[xgman]

Just heard that the boards that are coming in Monday to DFI are going to be bios or otherwise updated before shipping, so may be delayed a couple days.

[GRAFiZ]

Just heard that the boards that are coming in Monday to DFI are going to be bios or otherwise updated before shipping, so may be delayed a couple days.

LOL... I'll bet it's end of Feburary before we can even hunt these down. But, thats the price you pay for new technology.

Thanks for the update though!

[uranium]

OPP- could you do me a massive favour? :)
Measure the distance between the bottom of the ATI card and the top of the NF4 chipset. Trying to find a waterblock that will fit...... Guess I may wind up machining my own ;)
Thanks!
Geoff

[Tony]

Guys I have an X850 here and it fits with NO mods. Check the pics.


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22934&stc=1

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22935&stc=1

[uranium]

Is this a new fan? Different to the ones I've seen before..
Still quite like to watercool it ;)
So curious to know that distance...

[Blindbat]

Ya ta boy, thank you Tony!

Sorry for board warping OPP...

[Kobalt]

That is quite a close fit there bigtoe...


choseone committed murder over his board! Look at all the blood everywhere!!! CALL THE POLICE

LOL....what is that stuff? it looks funny. btw nice motherboard mount. It looks very professional

[OPPAINTER]

Here's some 3d at 13x266 with OCZ VX max 2-2-2 timings, 800XT at 520/