24K, with s939 finally [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

Kanavit

01-07-2005, 04:17 PM

well, i did it finally. I broke 24K with s939. it became a personal goal of mine since i upgraded from my old s754 A64 3400+ newcastle system, in which i easily scored 24,273 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8142220) with.

well, i upgraded to s939 A64 3500+ system , and to my disappointed was slower than my old s754 system in both 3dmark2001 and aquamark3. i expected alot from my s939 in hopes i can overclock it. However, my Kingston HyperX pc4000 is not BH-5, and is CL3 ram @ DDR400. stock timings were 3-4-4-8. yes, this was definitely a horrible combination for my new A64 based system.

however, due to finiancial contraints, i was forced to soldier on with POS hyperX ram. First, I spent 15mins or more carefully removing those blue heat spreaders from my ram, to help alleviate heat, then i played all day with the bios, and finally seemed to have found a stable setting: @ 230mhz my timings are 2.5-4-3-8,1t. not bad , eh?

so i fired up my 6800 GT to maximum 3dmark setting 416/1.05, and ran 3dmark2001 in the following order. Lobby, Dragothic, Car, Nature, and got 24,124 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8354159). I must say i am finally satisfied with this score, and saved myself from total dissapointment. :toast:

I have perserveered. i got 2529mhz on stock cooling on my A64 3500+ which aint bad. Now, i am contemplating whether or not i should spend $275 on 1gb dual channel kit Gskill PC4400LE tccd samsung ram from newegg. friday morning would have been the best time to order, because everyone would have been awake at the warehouse and alert. my order would have arrived very promptly probably on Mon morning.

so now i waited another week and hesitant to hit the checkout button, until next time. lol

thx everybody for all the good suggestions and advice.

mclearn

01-07-2005, 04:23 PM

Well you spent the extra dollars for the higher multiplier, why not see how far you can push your CPU? What FSB are you getting 2529 at? Have you tried using the mem FSB divider to see how far the CPU goes? Is the CPU a Winchester?

Kanavit

01-07-2005, 04:32 PM

yes, my mem fsb divider is set to limit @ 2:1 or DDR400 locked.

my fsb is 230mhz.

its a newcastle 130nm DH7-CG.

i really wanted the a64 3800+, but price is too high @$580 OEM!! it's basically 2.4ghz same as my A64 3400+, but has 128-bit dual channel memory controller as to only one 64-bit controller.

my s939 A64 3500+ has a max multi of 11, the s754 A64 3400+ has 12.

i'm gonna do a 1mb super pi , and see what i get.
http://img44.exs.cx/img44/6851/354vx.th.jpg (http://img44.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img44&image=354vx.jpg)

hehe , 35 sec my best attempt yet.

mclearn

01-07-2005, 05:12 PM

Your superpi sounds about right... Mine is 250 FSB 1:1 at 2500 MHz, does 1M @ 33s. I thought all 939's had dual channel 128 bit mem controllers?

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 06:08 AM

I did AMD fan mod , because of nvidia throttling on my stock PNY GT.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Jagatard/8.jpg

and got 72249 (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=687758598), in AQ3.

sr4470

01-08-2005, 06:13 AM

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 06:19 AM

Thats strange, i get 70k in aqua3 with my setup, stock vga clocks. easily reached 24k in 01 @ 2250mhz, also stock vga clocks, RAM 1:1 DDR500 @ 2.5-3-3-7 1T. Guess the RAM is more important than i thought
it sure is, especailly if you have AMD64 s939 setup, ram is paramount.

stil havnet ordered my Gskill yet. i'm sure records will fall if i do.

my GT is idling at only 58C now, before it was 62c. I completed another aquamark3 run and got 72523 (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=2097045205). throttling seems to be a thing of the past now.

twilius_basic

01-08-2005, 08:52 AM

Nice little fan mod there Kanavit :) How did you hold it there?

Geforce4ti4200

01-08-2005, 11:31 AM

Thats strange, i get 70k in aqua3 with my setup, stock vga clocks. easily reached 24k in 01 @ 2250mhz, also stock vga clocks, RAM 1:1 DDR500 @ 2.5-3-3-7 1T. Guess the RAM is more important than i thought

ram timings matter more than bandwith on a64s. Figure in about 3MHz cpu clocks equivalent for each MHz on the fsb. Kanavit's ras-cas4 is really killing him bad, 3 is far better and 2 is best but going from 4 to 3 gains alot more than 3 to 2. Also he needs to upgrade to win2k, xp is slow and bloated. I can easily beat Kanavit's 110 car high with my winchester at like 2.1 to 2.2GHz, will find out once I get tccd. Kanavit's s939 cpu isnt even a winchester either. Sell it for a 3200+ winchester, its faster and cheaper. you do not need 11x multi for air cooling. 250x10 to 260x10 with a winchester and tccd will own and crush your 3500+ castle.

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 12:07 PM

Nice little fan mod there Kanavit :) How did you hold it there?
i used the same screws that cam with the AMD fan, and just screwed into the stock 6800 GT aluminum heatsink, and only used 2 screws on the left side, since the sink wasn't big enough. lol notice btw, that i cut the top of the stock 6800 GT heatsink fan off to make room for the AMD fan.

update , it seems i need help to beat my old personal best.

72698 (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=687769591)

-----update------
heh, i'm lovin this, i found 500pts in 3dmark2001se!! i beat my old s754 in 3dmark2001 finally 24,605 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8356331)

Geforce4ti4200

01-08-2005, 04:22 PM

better score. I was just thinking, why not run 253x10, you got pc4000 ram! If it cant handle a 3MHz overclock, just run 250x10 and if not then either this ram cant do stock or your ondie controllers holding you back :( as for tccd, get patriot, its cheaper and besides you have 10x and 11x multi to fall back on

Geforce4ti4200

01-08-2005, 05:10 PM

twilius_basic

01-08-2005, 05:49 PM

Where did you "find" these points? ;)

pik-ard v1.1

01-08-2005, 05:53 PM

why could your 6800gt clock better (mem, atleast) in the s754 system. looking at your nature scores, thats part of the problem. not the cpu/mobo/ram entirely.

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 06:22 PM

Where did you "find" these points? ;)
i increased fsb by 2mhz and enabled Node interleave in bios. that helped lower my super pi 1mb by 1 sec, and broke 73K in aquamark3.

why could your 6800gt clock better (mem, atleast) in the s754 system. looking at your nature scores, thats part of the problem. not the cpu/mobo/ram entirely
yea, 61.34 drivers are slow drivers for nature tests, because it's doesn't support dx9, and slow shaders.

Aquamark3 score:73,370 (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=2097059979)

pik-ard v1.1

01-08-2005, 06:43 PM

but what happened to the extra 70mhz on the ram?

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 06:49 PM

but what happened to the extra 70mhz on the ram?
its interesting, but i can run a lot higher video card clocks with Aquamark3 than I can with 3dmark2001. i can run 442/1160 in AQ3 max. i can only run 420/1060 max in 3dmark2001. don't ask me why. :confused:

pik-ard v1.1

01-08-2005, 07:03 PM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8142220

in that one, on the s754, you claimed "Geforce 6800 GT @ 418/1.13"

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 07:12 PM

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8142220

in that one, on the s754, you claimed "Geforce 6800 GT @ 418/1.13"
yes, thats it. that 24273 score was with my old s754 A64 3400+.

pik-ard v1.1

01-08-2005, 07:21 PM

and you can OC your 6800gt's ram less with the s939 sytem, then with the s754 system?

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 07:26 PM

and you can OC your 6800gt's ram less with the s939 sytem, then with the s754 system?
it would seem so. with my s939 , car test would lock up, and freeze when using higher video ram settings. Oh yea, btw my agp /pci on my s939 system is overclocked to 77.5mhz/44.5 something like that i can't remember. it's not running standard 66.6mhz/33.3 like my old s754 system.

Geforce4ti4200

01-08-2005, 07:30 PM

Kanavit sent me a PM saying he cant see my posts and has no clue why. I responded with this:

make sure you didnt accidentally put me on ignore. does it mention im on ignore? if not what is showing up instead?

I dont think he can read my pms either if he accidentally ignored me. Will someone post here or PM him how to check if im on the ignore list and if so, to remove it? also if im not on ignore, id like to see whats showing up in his screenshot. Is it like I never posted? may need to PM an admin if its a bug

I repeat, please someone tell us whats going on, kanavit PMed me 3 times saying he cant view my posts as if they were invisable! please someone, copy and paste what I said so he can see this and see if he accidentally ignored me!

boshi

01-08-2005, 07:40 PM

Why are you getting such low scores? I could get 26K with a 9800pro and 3700+ on my 754 system. I would expect a S939 system with a 6800GT to perform a fair amount better...

Kanavit

01-08-2005, 07:50 PM

Why are you getting such low scores? I could get 26K with a 9800pro and 3700+ on my 754 system. I would expect a S939 system with a 6800GT to perform a fair amount better...
1st , the 6800 GT is slow in 3dmark2001
2nd, 3700+ is much faster because 1mb larger L2 cache than Newcastle(512kb).
3rd, my s939 has slow ram Kingston non BH-5 ram.

Holst

01-08-2005, 07:51 PM

6800 is not very good at 2001.

I think its because the card cannot get very high framerates that you need in 2001.

But in the more graphics intensive 2003/5 the 6800 blows the 9800 away.

In real games the 6800 is much better than 9800 as you can crank the detail up allot higher and still get playable fps.

play2k3

01-10-2005, 10:04 PM

I was scorin around 27K with a similar setup, You can get alot more with the right software stuff.

Kanavit

01-11-2005, 05:32 AM

I was scorin around 27K with a similar setup, You can get alot more with the right software stuff. yeah , I need better memory, my current pc4000 is killing me big time. i need something that can do 230mhz @2-2-2-5, 1T 2.8V stable without ddr booster. :p:

Soulburner

01-11-2005, 09:39 AM

it would seem so. with my s939 , car test would lock up, and freeze when using higher video ram settings. Oh yea, btw my agp /pci on my s939 system is overclocked to 77.5mhz/44.5 something like that i can't remember. it's not running standard 66.6mhz/33.3 like my old s754 system.
This could be what is causing your limitation on card clocks on your new system.

Can you lock it at 66/33?

pik-ard v1.1

01-11-2005, 10:08 AM

yeah , I need better memory, my current pc4000 is killing me big time. i need something that can do 230mhz @2-2-2-5, 1T 2.8V stable without ddr booster. :p:
while i dont think it will get you 3k points... try this (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=0)?

Kanavit

01-11-2005, 02:00 PM

This could be what is causing your limitation on card clocks on your new system.

Can you lock it at 66/33?
Yes, my board supports PCI/agp lock. I have tested agp/pci frequency with locked and unlocked, and still same results. in fact, i lost performance with 66/33 lock.

while i dont think it will get you 3k points... try this? those look pretty good, but Gskill PC4400LE is better because of 2.8v support, samsung Tccd chips, and brainpowr pcb.

Savuti

01-11-2005, 04:13 PM

Dunk

01-11-2005, 04:49 PM

Well done! I was initially dissapointed with my 01 result too but after much perseverance I got what I wanted out of the sucker -- 25K.
That score seems dead on. I set myself a bit of a mission after my inital stock runs to get a general idea on figures and performance once satisfied with my system at stock I wanted: 25K+ '01, 12.5K+ '03, 5K+ '05 and 80K+ in Aquamark. So far I've achieved all but '03 (can't be assed running it anymore, prefer watching my games, same goes for '05) and Aquamark which is so damn close I can smell it, it's in the bag very soon, Santa forgot something when he was passing by this way! :p:

79K... (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=889181729)
'05 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=316883)
'01 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8258585)

3500+ winchester
k8n neo 2 plat
2x512 pqi tccd dc kit
g.ward gt gs @ whatever it's max stable clock speed was at the time I ran each benchmark (400/1100 upwards - it oc'd better on my nforce 2 and I'm eyeballing my antec 480w as a cause for that at the minute)
other unimportant junk that doesn't matter for comparison ;)

Kanavit

01-11-2005, 06:25 PM

Kanavit, just wondering did you try the ACPI multi and LOD bias - using rivatuner up to 15 -tweaks in the previous runs?

Also regarding your 6800 GT mem clocks there seems to be an issue with NF3 boards and 6800s that causes a freeze when either core and mem clocks exceeds certain threshold; it might have something to do with driver interaction.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43337&highlight=DFI+6800

Disabling sideband and fastwrites works for some but it didn't in my case it's why i opted to return a 6800GT and opt for a x800 vivo instead. As i'm hell aint gonna put up with an oc limitation by this unaddressed NF3 and 6800 quirk.
i set to high performance LOD. but i've been having problems with nf3 board and 6800nu on my other system. i will look into that later.

Well done! I was initially dissapointed with my 01 result too but after much perseverance I got what I wanted out of the sucker -- 25K.
That score seems dead on. I set myself a bit of a mission after my inital stock runs to get a general idea on figures and performance once satisfied with my system at stock I wanted: 25K+ '01, 12.5K+ '03, 5K+ '05 and 80K+ in Aquamark. So far I've achieved all but '03 (can't be assed running it anymore, prefer watching my games, same goes for '05) and Aquamark which is so damn close I can smell it, it's in the bag very soon, Santa forgot something when he was passing by this way! your scores are dead on. I think 03 could be higher , expecially with good ram. '05, is very gpu bound, so you probably be stuck aroun 5k unless you go out and buy a x800xt. with AQ3, use 61.34, it's worth 1-2K more than any other 6800 driver. 80K should be in the bag for u.

pik-ard v1.1

01-11-2005, 07:31 PM

those look pretty good, but Gskill PC4400LE is better because of 2.8v support, samsung Tccd chips, and brainpowr pcb.
you're kidding me right... just because they say supported voltages doesnt mean they will burst into flames at 2.8v...

and the ram i linked to IS TCCD, on brainpower.

Kanavit

01-11-2005, 09:38 PM

you're kidding me right... just because they say supported voltages doesnt mean they will burst into flames at 2.8v...

and the ram i linked to IS TCCD, on brainpower.
also don't like ram heatspreaders. they become blankets. Gskill don't come with heatspreaders.

DaGoof

01-11-2005, 10:39 PM

Gskill is good, but god man, keep an open mind - lets try not to become fanboys here. Sure the no heatspreaders thing is nice, and they are really good but there are a ton of other memories that will perform similarly.

pik-ard v1.1

01-12-2005, 02:36 PM

and just take those metal clips off, and see if you can take the heatspreaders off the PDP, if that becomes a deciding factor...

and like dagoof said, lets not become fanboys. kan, you used to be an intel fanboy... look whats happened to you now... ;)

Sgt_Strider

01-12-2005, 02:48 PM

What version of forceware are you using?

eva2000

01-12-2005, 03:03 PM

nicely done mate!

Kanavit

01-12-2005, 03:52 PM

What version of forceware are you using?
aquamark3: 61.34s
3dmark03:71.20
3dmark05: 71.20
3dmark2001: 61.34s

yeah, i choose to use enthusiast term over fanboy. i am Gskill enthusiast now, because of the awesome performance without heat spreaders.

pik-ard v1.1

01-12-2005, 04:47 PM

heatspreaders = worse, in most cases anyways... so thats no great feat.

stestan

01-12-2005, 11:47 PM

Nice work :toast:

Now show us what it really does :D

On the card running lower clocks i am stumped :shrug: i have same problem

x800xtpe in p4 did 600/600

x800xtpe in 754 does 575/575 then i have to fight with it :stick: any ideas

twilius_basic

01-13-2005, 07:37 AM

PSU not up to snuff mebbe?

Kanavit

01-13-2005, 08:10 AM

Stetsan , i think maybe disabling fast writes may help? it maybe the board. did you try increasing agp volts?

stestan

01-13-2005, 08:31 AM

TBH i only tried +1 still unsure with athlon 64 :D

Checked pencil mod currently @ 1.45

Checked psu mith DMM thats ok so am leaning toward the mobo :(

Offtopic i just made a thread now its completly vanished lol :confused:

was asking if i should get a week 50 3200 winchester and how high i need to beat my 3400 score

stestan

01-13-2005, 10:53 AM

Thats the only prod i needed :D

Shop as these 3200 week 50 in stock i hand picked before :toast:

I can get neo2 mobo or gigabyte k8ns ultra 939 :confused: any ideas

I am leaning toward the MSI although thats diff shop 15 mile away i dont mind :toast:

geeman74

01-13-2005, 12:26 PM

have you tried a lower multiplier like 10 and a fsb of 260?
its what i use atm n it does that at 1.6v vcore (or i may be lucky i no all chips arent the same)

Dunk

01-14-2005, 10:15 AM

your scores are dead on. I think 03 could be higher , expecially with good ram. '05, is very gpu bound, so you probably be stuck aroun 5k unless you go out and buy a x800xt. with AQ3, use 61.34, it's worth 1-2K more than any other 6800 driver. 80K should be in the bag for u.

*me pulls 80K out of his bag with 1.7V agp set in bios up from 1.5 :toast:

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1560346479 :banana4:

have you tried a lower multiplier like 10 and a fsb of 260?
its what i use atm n it does that at 1.6v vcore (or i may be lucky i no all chips arent the same)

That's exactly what I did -- settings used are noted in the run: 10x multi 3xht @ 1.58vcore @ 1:1 2.5-3-3-8t 2.65vdimm 1.7V AGP o0

cheers!

Kanavit

01-14-2005, 02:14 PM

congrats Dunk. 80k without 61.34 drivers.

Dunk

01-15-2005, 05:32 AM

:toast:

Spider

01-15-2005, 05:37 PM

ur score is a 'lil low kanavit http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8038745 with only a 9800pro@xt

Kanavit

01-15-2005, 06:20 PM

ur score is a 'lil low kanavit http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8038745 with only a 9800pro@xtNice Spider,
waiting for my gskills on 18th. it's comin. :) i think i can get 25K+ with em.
they comin! i orderd them on the 12th.

gskill tracking report:
--------------------
Jan 15, 2005 1:52 am
Arrived at FedEx Ramp
DULLES VA
Jan 14, 2005 7:17 pm
Left FedEx Sort Facility
NEWARK NJ
Jan 13, 2005 11:56 pm
Left FedEx Sort Facility
NEWARK NJ
11:56 pm
Left FedEx Sort Facility
NEWARK NJ
8:46 pm
Arrived at Sort Facility
NEWARK NJ
8:46 pm
Arrived at Sort Facility
NEWARK NJ
5:58 pm
Pickup status
EDISON NJ
Pre-routed meter pkg picked up
10:40 am
Left FedEx Origin Location
EDISON NJ

cmon FEDeX man!

choseone214

01-15-2005, 06:28 PM

BH-5 KT ;) screw gskill for benching 3d on AMD ;)

reject

01-15-2005, 07:00 PM

hmmm i wonder if you can beat my score kanavit you should try lod bias at +3, or +15 if you can stand to watch it
my ram sucks too
i think i will try to get phase change this holidays before i have to go back to skool and then im going for 30k, thats easy with a 2.7ghz claw, but as unrealneo says newcastles are slow so ill need about 2.8-2.9ghz

i also need to run 2001 with 415/600 clocks

Kanavit

01-16-2005, 06:03 AM

lol Chosenone214, I ll definitely keep u updated man. Is BH-5 KT better than Tccd + brainpower? we shall see. It maybe not, however the Gskill PC4400LE will definitely walk past the Current Kingston HyperX PC4000 that i have now.

Reject, I didn't tweak my LOD that much, only set IQ to highest performance. thats as far as I go. I think your 2001 high maybe in danger once i get the gskill. hehe.

I will re-bench AQ3, 3dmark2001, 1mb super pi, and PCmark04 successfully at exactly same settings. I can't wait. I'm guessing 75K+, 25+K, and 32sec, and 4506 increases. thats what i'm shooting for now. i'd be very happy with those figures.

reject

01-16-2005, 07:00 AM

cool, cant wait to see.
i like competition!
have u been reading about winbond UTT? very cheap i might try to get some and then ur gone :D
but your in winter so you have less heat issues

Dunk

01-16-2005, 07:46 AM

Kanavit

01-17-2005, 01:37 PM

ok, finally got my Gskills!! woot. sorry for the bad quality pics.. :toast:

click to enlarge
http://photobucket.com/albums/v377/Jagatard/th_DSC00109.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Jagatard/DSC00109.jpg)

click to enlarge
http://photobucket.com/albums/v377/Jagatard/th_DSC00108.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Jagatard/DSC00108.jpg)

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reject

01-17-2005, 06:27 PM

cool, pop em in and set 3-3-3 DDR600!

Kanavit

01-18-2005, 07:40 AM

I'm having problems with stability... to be continued.

i can't seem to get stable at 2:1 lock 230mhz 2-2-2-5, 1t. the Gskill ram will do 2-2-2-5 stock. but it doesn't seem to like overclocking, what is safe vcore settings for A64 3500+ newcastle?? I just got new Coolermaster HYper6 pipe cooler.

twilius_basic

01-18-2005, 07:41 AM

With a Hyper 6 on your NC, 1.7V should be fine to play with, maybe a bit more with a good fan and real low ambient, though you might not see any gains.

Kanavit

01-19-2005, 07:39 PM

thx Twilius Basic. new fast ram , requires better cooling on the cpu. i will post some new 2k1 scores soon.

kickassclone

01-19-2005, 08:53 PM

it sure is, especailly if you have AMD64 s939 setup, ram is paramount.

stil havnet ordered my Gskill yet. i'm sure records will fall if i do.

my GT is idling at only 58C now, before it was 62c. I completed another aquamark3 run and got 72523 (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=2097045205). throttling seems to be a thing of the past now.

I got:

3500+ newcastle 130nm @ 230 x11 2530 mhz
neo2 plat
ocz 3700eb
6800 ultra at stock settings no oc at all

I don't even get 69k and my setup is way faster than yours when you benched. wtf is wrong with my settings? I should easily hit 80k with this rig with an oc on the vid card when I do it.

Kanavit

01-20-2005, 05:03 AM

I got:

3500+ newcastle 130nm @ 230 x11 2530 mhz
neo2 plat
ocz 3700eb
6800 ultra at stock settings no oc at all

I don't even get 69k and my setup is way faster than yours when you benched. wtf is wrong with my settings? I should easily hit 80k with this rig with an oc on the vid card when I do it.
what are your memory timings at 230mhz? also 61.34 drivers set to performance. i o/ced my cpu to 2584mhz, and gpu to 441/1152. my mem timings are 2.5-3-3-7 ,1t.

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 05:59 AM

use 61.34 drivers and set to performance, use lowest possible memory timings!

here is my small improvement in 3dmark2001. 24,708 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8382188)

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 06:38 AM

and finally, 25k. :toast: :banana: :banana4:

25,323 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8382233)

twilius_basic

01-21-2005, 06:42 AM

Congrats on 25K :)

Can't you get the G.Skill to go higher than that? I would think you could run "at least" a 1:1 mem ration an 10x CPU multi, so 253x10=2530mhz w/ 2.5-3-3-7-1T.

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 06:56 AM

Twilius Basic, i tried 250 and it won't boot at all. i think my cpu is weakened controller because i booted the A64 without the hsf properlly installed once, and it never ran the same aftwerwards. Maybe it's time to do some shopping for new cpu, like winchester!

twilius_basic

01-21-2005, 07:55 AM

I think so ;)

Alec

01-21-2005, 10:23 AM

nice scores, man :toast:
What framerates do you get in game s such as Doom 3, HL2 and Far Cry?

Alec

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 01:22 PM

anything above 60 is good enough for me. when i o/c , i don't play games. i o/c for benchmarks only.

pik-ard v1.1

01-21-2005, 05:18 PM

why is your HTT at 230, and your ram is at 235? (well... so says your 3dmark2k1 score...)

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 05:58 PM

why is your HTT at 230, and your ram is at 235? (well... so says your 3dmark2k1 score...)
i don't know , u got me. :confused:

i have memclock set at 2:1 DDR400 limit in bios. fsb is 235mhz afaik. mem is running at 235mhz according to cpu-z. it's the weird HTT figures. i still having difficulty understanding HTT.

texuspete00

01-21-2005, 06:21 PM

If you cant get 250*10, then yeah it's probably you're mem controller. Heh... just to be sure since you never explicitly said... what can you get at 10 multi?

pik-ard v1.1

01-21-2005, 06:45 PM

no look:
a64 3500+ s939 newcastle (11x230)2529mhz 1gb Gskill PC4400LE tccd @235, 2.5 -3-3-7-1t PNY verto Geforce 6800 GT @ 416/1050 Antec Neo 430watt PSU Win xp sp2 home 61.34 forcewares

and you dont have a "fsb" anymore... you have "htt" speed. ;) when i said htt, and you said fsb, we were talking about the same number.

and... i thought TCCD would do tighter timings at those speeds... :-\

EDIT: kan, look in your cpu-z, it will say multiplier and HTT, NOT multiplier and FSB. ;)

reject

01-21-2005, 07:23 PM

tccd is actually faster at 3-3-3 with a high HTT than using its 2-2-2. which is something i would never have believed till i saw the benches
but high HTT with 3-4-4 is never faster than anything, the timings must be under 4

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 07:35 PM

ok, here is a screenshot of my cpu-z. so my ram is running at 235mhz right?

Reject, you are very right. i raised mhz over tight timings and got best performance as the result.

pik-ard v1.1

01-21-2005, 07:39 PM

kan, thats not the same cpu speed (or HTT) as in the 3dmark2k1 run... you seem to have it at 11x230 there, but listing your ram at 235mhz. there lies the problem...

Kanavit

01-21-2005, 07:43 PM

oops, correcting now. indeed my 3dmark run was performed with 230mhz ram speed and not 235 as described, sorry typo.

pik-ard v1.1

01-21-2005, 07:47 PM

no problem, i figured it was just a typo. ;)

reject

01-22-2005, 01:16 AM

nice superpi now lets see how high the ram will go!
cas 2.5-3 loses 0 performance. might as well drop it to allow more mhz
you should get to at least 280 3-3-3

enzoR

01-22-2005, 03:43 AM

i dont see why he cannot do 2.5

Geforce4ti4200

01-22-2005, 03:44 PM

my old post:

better score. I was just thinking, why not run 253x10, you got pc4000 ram! If it cant handle a 3MHz overclock, just run 250x10 and if not then either this ram cant do stock or your ondie controllers holding you back as for tccd, get patriot, its cheaper and besides you have 10x and 11x multi to fall back on

I just saw you got gskill now and cant hit 250fsb either. This is a sure sign you have a weak ondie controller, even for a newcastle :( Still you gained how much? 500 marks with gskill due to better timings :) Maybe you should wait for venice, winchesters often have weak ondie controllers, mine doesnt seem to like over ~255 and it gets gradually less stable where at 266fsb its quite unstable. I say wait for Venice, your cpu should tide you over in the meantime. My winchester is good but not great but I can wait too.

Kanavit

01-22-2005, 04:05 PM

Geforce4ti4200, my score is really hampered by weak nature test. if you look at car, dragothic, and lobby, my newcastle /gskill really did very well in that area. but look at my nature! it sucks i'm like 80 fps lower than everyone else with same video card. i will be in 26K+ for sure, if my nature test runs like normal. 3dmark2001 is very effected by nature test scores. i think it's my 61.34 drivers it has terrible shader performance. yes, and my NC is very weak controller.