Winchester = New 1700+ t-breds?

[LBJGH]

Could this be 1700+ tbred days again? :D OK the speed isn't prime stable but cool enough for a screen capture. Stock Aluminum AMD heatsink too. :)

http://members.rogers.com/5555/50.jpg

[LBJGH]

Good enough for SiSoft!
http://members.rogers.com/5555/2700cpu.jpg

[jonspd]

Nice I hope they get alittle better as I will have to wait till the middle of the month to go 939 or maybe next month and get the lanparty SLI board.

[STEvil]

0451/52/53 will probably be the best.. it seems to be a recurring theme with AMD processors :D

[Skip]

theres 53 weeks in a year? i thought there were only 52.

i have a 42 3500 on my desk right now waiting for the DFI nf4.

[WiCKeD]

Not quite, but still good.

With the T-Breds you could pick up a $50 chip and get a 1GHz STABLE overclock. Winchester is a $150 chip and around a 700MHz overclock.

XS especially needs to make a move to ditch the unstable screenies. They're worthless.

[empyrean]

Yeah that's the CPU I'm currently eyeing, hoping the price continues to drop actually with more 4000+ rolling out.

[bachus_anonym]

XS especially needs to make a move to ditch the unstable screenies. They're worthless.
i second that.... :thumbsup:
also, can anyone tell me how those "stock voltage - 2.7GHz" chips perform @ higher volts ???
Good enough for SiSoft!
pfff.... :rolleyes: no offense....

[MrQ3W]

Not quite, but still good.

With the T-Breds you could pick up a $50 chip and get a 1GHz STABLE overclock. Winchester is a $150 chip and around a 700MHz overclock.

XS especially needs to make a move to ditch the unstable screenies. They're worthless.
I agree no more unstable screenies.

Overclocking in those days was taking the cheapest stuff and pushing it to the edge, these days we overclockers buy the most expensive stuff of any computer users. Times ar'a changing dunno if for better or worse. ;)

[mastaqz]

theres 53 weeks in a year? i thought there were only 52.

i have a 42 3500 on my desk right now waiting for the DFI nf4.


no,last year had 53 weeks

[LBJGH]

53 weeks and an extra pay for me... 27pay periods. :D

I guess I could have posted a 2750mhz non-stable screen shot too... but at least I can do everything but game at 2700mhz. :p

Also if XS is gonna qualify screen shots I think the systems should be in a closed case with 512MB-1GB of ram and a modern video card because that would be a typical working system.

Sure I could have got a stable setup on a bench with dry ice and a single 256mb stick of ram but who uses a system that way?

[gclg2000]

http://www.namike.com/albums/album02/2_925GHz.sized.jpg

[LBJGH]

gclg2000, that is an amazing result with a 3000+. What week/stepping is your chip?

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

:slobber: omg gclg2000, thats one of the best results I have seen with a winchester

[mcnbns]

Now is THAT stable?

[gclg2000]

AMD A64 3000+ 90nm Winchester
ADA3000DIK4BI
CBBFD 0441SPMW

Its not super stable, but i could run around in windows with it. I can bench 1M @ around 2.8ghz or so for 30sec and get 32M stable around 2.7ghz. I'm returning this chip though, cuz i'd rather get a 3200+ and see what it can do with the 10x.

I think the OCZ 600w helps, but with this MSI board, the MSI crash's all the time.

[$0m#0n#]

If ya r gonna sell it, just tell me :D

[Rudzer]

it seems some people define stable as "beeing able to browse and use explorer"...impressive results nevertheless ;)

[STEvil]

it seems some people define stable as "beeing able to browse and use explorer"...impressive results nevertheless ;)

Usually a good sign, since instability would crash and corrupt files.. mozilla is bad for that ;)

[charlie]

I'm sooooooo tire of people and their "can it run P95 with dual instances of f@h in the background, while gaming, viewing p@rn and warming the room"?????

In the sport of automotive racing, a Top Fuel dragster can sprint down the 1320ft. strip in about 4.5 seconds.... it can't go to the grocery store and it can't travel cross country. Does that lessen the value?? Of course not... any overclock will have different levels of comparisons.
I believe there are varying levels of benchmarking:
1) Max screenshot (suicide shot)
2) Max screenie that'll grab a Sandra benchie
3) Max screenie that'll grab a sPi 1M or a piFast benchie
4) Max screenie that'll run 3D benches
5) Max screenie that'll play GAMES....
6) Max screenie that'll run Memtest/P95

7) And the MAGICAL measure :D
An OC that'll do whatever you want the rig to do....no P95 cr@p, but if it benches and games.....that's good enough.

All these measures are valid. And suicide shots ARE important. It SHOWS the kind of performance the CPU may offer....
And most importantly, it is the recognized "mark" for comparing TOP END speed.....

C

[FSA]

full ack @charlie :D

[bachus_anonym]

I'm sooooooo tire of people and their "can it run P95 with dual instances of f@h in the background, while gaming, viewing p@rn and warming the room"?????

In the sport of automotive racing, a Top Fuel dragster can sprint down the 1320ft. strip in about 4.5 seconds.... it can't go to the grocery store and it can't travel cross country. Does that lessen the value?? Of course not... any overclock will have different levels of comparisons.
I believe there are varying levels of benchmarking:
1) Max screenshot (suicide shot)
2) Max screenie that'll grab a Sandra benchie
3) Max screenie that'll grab a sPi 1M or a piFast benchie
4) Max screenie that'll run 3D benches
5) Max screenie that'll play GAMES....
6) Max screenie that'll run Memtest/P95

7) And the MAGICAL measure :D
An OC that'll do whatever you want the rig to do....no P95 cr@p, but if it benches and games.....that's good enough.

All these measures are valid. And suicide shots ARE important. It SHOWS the kind of performance the CPU may offer....
And most importantly, it is the recognized "mark" for comparing TOP END speed.....

C
Charlie, I really respect you as an great Overclocker and asset to this community, but...
you see, racing cars are never meant to be used in everyday life, there are just for racing and getting best times.
With PC it's little bit different... There are not build to bench only. To most people here (at least those having just one PC) it's important to have a STABLE rig so they can enjoy working and gaming on it as well as little bit of benching from time to time...
As you probably noticed, recently we've been getting quite an amount of new members that have been looking for an advice on good clocking CPUs. Those people seeing all that "2700MHz 3000+ Winnie" gallore can think that if they get one that doesn't do that speed STABLE for "Gaming and ALL" will be the first in line for claiming RMA - whatever reason they find for it....

As to benchmarking, to be honest, I would like to see all those "suicide and Sandra Mem Bandwidth only" screenshots GO AWAY... if it was up to me only, I would totally rewrite benchmarking rules :) i would really love to see a competition of "who's got the most STABLE 24/7 rig" which would show us all what overclocks are stable and usable. it's like a Marathon, the strongest contender wins and those that can only run 100 meters will just fall in defeat.

in other words, it's just a waste of time to get a new hardware and brag how great it is without showing what it's capable besides SuperPi 1M and some Sandra action...

[LBJGH]

bachus_anonym, overclocking is a hobby for most of us, a science to some of us and sickness for the few. There isn't anything wrong with cranking out some qualified numbers as Charlie noted as most people look beyond the resulting benchmark result to the hardware and what was required to achieve the results.

The fact that I was (in this case) able to hit 2700mhz out of a 3000+ albeit with minimal load stability shows what is capable with FULL stability and a little more work. I fall into the o/c'n hobby category and need a stable setup so either I'll run at a slower speed or buy some more crap to make the system stable at 2700mhz. The more serious clockers will have no problem running stable the same hardware (plus upgrades) at the full clock rate.

I'm researching aftermarket cooling now to see if I can find a copper air cooler to bolt into the stock socket mount that will provide the 100% stable results demanded by the hardcore guys... until then at least I (and other's) will know it is possible with a 3000+ Winchester.

[Susquehannock]

New 1700 dLt3c T-bred B?
Not ready to trash my $42 / 2.5ghz chips just yet. :wiggle:

[gclg2000]

I don't use this PC with intent of everyday use. My goal (believe it or not) is to ultimately R.I.P. this chip one day, cuz i pushed it to far. But along the way, gain some impressive and interesting results.

And sorry, i took the 3000+ Back to my work (we are reseller's) and just swaped it out for a 3200+ and the 10x.....Right now im posting "from the magical able to browse windows speed" of 2.8ghz

I wanted this chip to keep the fsb down, when i finish my cascade build (listed in sig). I really doubt i could have gotten 333 x 9 stable with the motherboard. Besides, i don't wanna stop at a "wimpy" 3.0ghz...i would have been "mobo" limited cuz of teh 350+ fsb i would have needed to get crazy high. So i got a 10x 90nm chip, to give more headroom on the chip. Now i can at least take the board to 325x10 for 3.25ghz......under cascade hopefully. *crosses fingers*

And like i stated above 2.7ghz on the 3000+ i had was 32M SuperPi stable.....not bad for "magical do anything with yoru PC" usage.

[fareastgq]

I always go for the fastest 24/7 oc, 12 hours of memtest and a day of 3dmark is good enuff for me. I DO like to see what the chips can do when pushed to the very very extreme though, it shows very good potential for what I will get on my water rig. If someone can get 3.0 on phase, I'll be damned happy with 2.7-2.8 on water, or 2.6-2.7 on air for 24/7 use. (remember the xp 2600's that could hit 2.7-2.8 on air?), that's what it's all about, after all, this IS xtremesystems, not average joe systems.

p.s. I do more reading than posting :P

[Zeus]

I don't get it, whenever someone like macci shows a 6GHz suicide screenie it's impressive and well done (which it is of course) but if someone else comes up with a suicide screen that appears less impressive all of a sudden those screenies should be abandoned here at XS?

Guys, this is XtremeSystems, not 24/7stableSystems. :rolleyes:

[Staphy]

I'm with Charlie on this.
If we're talking about everyday use, then game-stable is all that's relevant.
Who uses P95 other than for bottom-line stability testing ?
If it's online-game-stable, then it's stable IMNSHO.
The Staph

[WiCKeD]

Charlie, I really respect you as an great Overclocker and asset to this community, but...
you see, racing cars are never meant to be used in everyday lifeExactly what I was going to say.

I don't get it, whenever someone like macci shows a 6GHz suicide screenie it's impressive and well done (which it is of course) but if someone else comes up with a suicide screen that appears less impressive all of a sudden those screenies should be abandoned here at XS?

Guys, this is XtremeSystems, not 24/7stableSystems. :rolleyes:Sure, riding a motorcycle off a cliff is impressive too, but it's a one time thing. ;)

IMO, macci's or OPPs results are interesting as a curiosity. They are showing what would happen if the chips could do 6GHz, pushing the limits of something that has never been seen. ...and bottom line, you already know they are unstable.

Others are showing something that has already been done. They are giving false results, misleading people just so they can feel better about themselves. They are ruining the original spirit of overclocking (getting more for less) by giving an unrealistic idea of what people can achieve.

[STEvil]

Thats what top end overclocking is all about wicked.. pushing the limit.

If you get to somewhere and you are unstable then you diagnose the problem and fix it. If you dont care about stability then you dont care. If you do, you do.

Why are you guys making an issue about this?

[WiCKeD]

A dragster doesn't win records if it explodes and it's wheel is propelled across the finishline first. ;) Those people aren't pushing the limit.

I have already said why it's an issue. People buy chips and overclock them based on what others are achieving. If we're all here deceiving fellow overclockers, because we're wrapping ourselves too much into a little piece of silicon, we are letting down the overclocking community. ...and I would like to think overclockers have some integrity in them, too.

[Revv23]

while i enjoy seeing max speed runs and such, i wish users would be more open about how stable thier rigs are, seems all to often people will post a superpi run with cpu-z running and they dont mention stability at all...not that i would think less of the benchmark, but id just like to know.

but i dont look at a screen and assume its stable unless the users states/shows otherwise. i belive other members should do likewise.

[gkiing]

Not quite, but still good.

With the T-Breds you could pick up a $50 chip and get a 1GHz STABLE overclock. Winchester is a $150 chip and around a 700MHz overclock.

XS especially needs to make a move to ditch the unstable screenies. They're worthless.

Yeah, I usually run mine at 200% it's original speed (225x13, 2925mhz). Stable under phase change @ -43c at that speed.

[luihed]

For me if it runs lobby hi/lo then its stable....... :D I totally agree with Charlie on this, there are certain levels of stability.......

I overclock for the hobby, not to make my rig faster for everyday use...... My winne / x800pro is plenty fast for my everyday needs running at stock......

[STEvil]

A dragster doesn't win records if it explodes and it's wheel is propelled across the finishline first. ;)
Yes it does, assuming it wins the race.. not for the wheel though.

Those people aren't pushing the limit.
Lets get this straight.. they build a high performance vehicle then blow it up, but they arent pushing any limits? :stick:

I have already said why it's an issue. People buy chips and overclock them based on what others are achieving.
Yup, buying based on others results is usually a sound choice if you dont want to waste money on something nobody has tried yet. If you want to pioneer on something you go and do so.

If we're all here deceiving fellow overclockers, because we're wrapping ourselves too much into a little piece of silicon, we are letting down the overclocking community. ...and I would like to think overclockers have some integrity in them, too.
We do, and we are not decieving anyone unless they cannot read the thread or if we overclock until flames are shooting out and yet still claim everything is stable.. the flames are just a bling factor, nothing wrong with them.. seriously!! :rolleyes:

Whats the issue here.. ? If someone cant be bothered to read a thread then runs out buying hardware like GeForceTi4200 then we cant really do much about it.. its their own decision to overclock beyond the stable limits of their hardware and claim stability or claim performance thats not really there, not ours.

[Zeus]

while i enjoy seeing max speed runs and such, i wish users would be more open about how stable thier rigs are, seems all to often people will post a superpi run with cpu-z running and they dont mention stability at all...not that i would think less of the benchmark, but id just like to know.

but i dont look at a screen and assume its stable unless the users states/shows otherwise. i belive other members should do likewise.

Don't you agree showing a (1M) SuperPi run shows some kind of stability?

[bachus_anonym]

Don't you agree showing a (1M) SuperPi run shows some kind of stability?
of course it does.... but many people just get away with posting CPU-Z and Sandra screens only, which does not give you anyone any idea about setup's "stable OCing" future...

[MrQ3W]

I couldn't care less for those who are decieved by such threads, I mean face it most of them are outside the Xtreme community and can't tell a 3GHz stable screenie from a 6GHz unstable screenie. That's their problem.

However I think it's decency to your fellow OCers to state how stable your setup is @xGHz.
Me i'm past overclocking for practical reasons now, as I believe most of you here are. It's an hobby so lets treat it as a such and show it some respect. ;)

[gkiing]

Don't you agree showing a (1M) SuperPi run shows some kind of stability?

A superpi 1M doesnt stress the cpu very hard.. and not for a very long period of time. However, if it's superpi 1m stable it will likely be 3dmark stable but not 100% stable as in 48hours uptime under load.

[gclg2000]

Seems like my thread kinda started thsi so i'lls ay this. That chip was stable at playing games at 2.8ghz. It was 32M superPI stable at 2.7ghz.

I ditched that chip and now have a 3200+.

I don't think putting *stable on every OC on this board is neccessary. When i first joined and started reading this board, i was amazed at the "stable" OC's......but the more i read and became ed-jew-kated on the subject, the more i understood overclocking and etc.......

I don't think just coming in reading one thread and buying a chip is a smart thing to do.....i don't think many people do that....and those people who do never had any hope anyways.

:toast:

[Geforce4ti4200]

screenshots do have credit cause every a64 I had just hit a hard wall. my 3200+ castle was stable at 2.58, semistable at 2.6, suicide screen at 2.66 and wont load windows at 2.7 my winchester also goes downhill each 10-20MHz increments. I can 3dmark with it at 2.6 but 2.7 wont even load windows. Id say 2.65-2.67 would be my suicide screenie. someone that can get a screen at 2.8 should easily be benchable at 2.75