Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[trans am]

I would say, but this dfi board is so screwy! I am not sure what volts I'm actually, I have a multimeter, but don't know where I can check the line from.

[godsa]

so can you explain teh burn in process a little to me?
my burn in process?
Find the max fsb where you might get 2 errors or so per pass or less..and just let the sticks keep working with memtest all day and part of the night..
You don't want alot of errors..because that would defeat the purpose of the burn in.

At night I turn the computer off...next morning ..I try that fsb to see if its stable or not..if not..I will try to burn it in again that day...just keep repeating till it takes and then go up another level on Fsb..or if it never takes...just give up and say..ok I can do X fsb..because burning isn't working.

Then around 2 weeks later..check that erroring fsb..and see if it now works...Sometimes it does...sometimes it doesn't

[pik-ard v1.1]

bad news for me... i believe i got a DOA stick from newegg... :(

will have to RMA it unless i was a moron and didnt stick it all the way in the slot (which i know i did correctly...)

it would boot with both sticks, but when i tried to install windows, it would create memory errors... at stock speeds and timings.

[godsa]

TRANS am ...You using
Cpc on or off?
Tell us your settings for memory so we know what your using..
Thanks bro.....

[$ilver]

next week its time for an neo2 .. no way for nf4 ... to expensive .. and no need for PCIe

[TEDY]

friend has a problem :

Well today I got my hands on this babies and i'm a bit dissipointed. I can only do 240 at 2.5 - 4 - 4 -8 with 3.3V on dimm. I bought it from a guy who said he could do 240 2-2-2-5 at the same voltage. But he's an AMD guru therefor used different mobo as me. That's why i've opened another thread in here.

my settings:
CAS: 2.5
RAS precharge: 4
RAS TO CAS: 4
Precharge delay: 8
burst lenght: 8
memory acceleration: enable
Idle timer: INF
refresh rate: 64uSec

Mobo: Asus p4p800-e dlx
CPU: P4 2.6C
TwinMos AA4T, 44D
PSU: chieftec 420W

Tried both in single or dual mode, each stick seperatly.

What else to try?

Before this ram I had corsair 3200LL in who could do 250 2-2-2-5 in single mode with no problems, but only 240 in dual.

[esdee]

well you never know. They might just be lucky sticks. Luck of the draw.


DFI NF4 rocks for me ...

my UTT can do 259 memtest#5 stable at 3.3v @ 2-2-5-2-8-15-2-2-1-1 with idle timer @ 16clocks

bad news is i can't go any more higher because 1 of the sticks is crap while the other can do for sure 270 @ 3.4.

(those UTT are the ones i had since the begining of the thread, and those that hipro5 tested the 2nd day i got them, i love this board)

[enok]

i should have bought 2 pairs to choice the 2 best of each one too... (tictac slapping smile)


TEDY , i haven't seen any P4 bench with UTT (that i remember)... that would explain something... :confused:

[esdee]

friend has a problem :

Well today I got my hands on this babies and i'm a bit dissipointed. I can only do 240 at 2.5 - 4 - 4 -8 with 3.3V on dimm. I bought it from a guy who said he could do 240 2-2-2-5 at the same voltage. But he's an AMD guru therefor used different mobo as me. That's why i've opened another thread in here.

my settings:
CAS: 2.5
RAS precharge: 4
RAS TO CAS: 4
Precharge delay: 8
burst lenght: 8
memory acceleration: enable
Idle timer: INF
refresh rate: 64uSec

Mobo: Asus p4p800-e dlx
CPU: P4 2.6C
TwinMos AA4T, 44D
PSU: chieftec 420W

Tried both in single or dual mode, each stick seperatly.

What else to try?

Before this ram I had corsair 3200LL in who could do 250 2-2-2-5 in single mode with no problems, but only 240 in dual.


tedy im not familiar with intel but you should keep CPC and PAT off to run UTT

[Rabbi_NZ]

What's the point in disabling CPC, does it have the same massive performance drop as on AMD platforms?

[esdee]

What's the point in disabling CPC, does it have the same massive performance drop as on AMD platforms?

hipro5 can tell but if i recall correct he set it to off(or else PC wouldn't post) when we where testing in his AS8

[Catchfrase]

Just recieved 2x256 SP from newegg.

AA4T
TMD7608F8E44D
05034 DATE
KO-6633 PCB

Looks like you guys are looking for the 512's now. So just an update if anyone is still looking for the 256's.

[Shroomalistic]

so are the none speed premiums showing up as utt also now? Im ordering a gig of some sort tonight so i might chance it with those. I just need a gig, im not going after the fsb here but if I get it then Im in luck....

[Rabbi_NZ]

so are the none speed premiums showing up as utt also now? Im ordering a gig of some sort tonight so i might chance it with those. I just need a gig, im not going after the fsb here but if I get it then Im in luck....
good luck shroomy,
we'll have to catch up on msn sometime soon to talk sheeet bout your 2x256 kit... almost caught you online last night i think.

[esdee]

so are the none speed premiums showing up as utt also now? Im ordering a gig of some sort tonight so i might chance it with those. I just need a gig, im not going after the fsb here but if I get it then Im in luck....


The first UTT to show up were non speed prems ... :D check post#1

[Shroomalistic]

good luck shroomy,
we'll have to catch up on msn sometime soon to talk sheeet bout your 2x256 kit... almost caught you online last night i think.


my hours are bad right now, working 5am to 2pm but the job site is an hour away so I have to leave before 4am so I wake up at about 2:30am. We are working in a no noise after 8am skyrise in irvine. it sucks, my job consists of being loud. Hopefully i will catch up with you this weekend

[pik-ard v1.1]

i think i got 2 crap sticks...

finally got to test them... er... one of them... one was just plain DOA...

the other wouldnt boot 200mhz 2-2-2-5 1T at 2.85v. and at stock everything, i got a BSOD... that MIGHT have been something else... but its not looking good for my sticks...

i think i may just return this stuff and get something else...

[Revv23]

it takes at least 3.1 to get 2-2-2 out of these mem.

otherwise stick with 2.5-3-3

and cpc off does not kill performance on Intel like it does on amd, its much more minor, shut it off.

[bobmanfoo]

actually it will do 2-3-3-X fine at stock voltage and speed

[pik-ard v1.1]

with clockgen... my one non-DOA stick will NOT do 2-3-3-8 220mhz... at 3v. got a BSOD.

i also got a BSOD at stock speeds/timings/voltage once... so i think this stuff is going back. not sure yet wether i sould get replacement sticks, or get something else... :(

[Revv23]

actually it will do 2-3-3-X fine at stock voltage and speed


which is not 2-2-2

:p:

[godsa]

DFI NF4 rocks for me ...

my UTT can do 259 memtest#5 stable at 3.3v @ 2-2-5-2-8-15-2-2-1-1 with idle timer @ 16clocks

bad news is i can't go any more higher because 1 of the sticks is crap while the other can do for sure 270 @ 3.4.

Thats sweet to hear it was the board....its def a pain to match up sticks
I have one that did 255 the other did 253
Next day the one that did 253 did 254
Following day it did 255

Weakest chain in the link.. After the mods are done on my board by CaTalyst.X
We will see what they can do at 3.5 or so..I think Ill be too scared to go above that..

[Skip]

wow already 2K posts in this thread.

when these get back in stock at newegg, what chances are that they will be utt +BP pcb.

i heard in this thread that week 48 of speed premium will be 100% utt +BP PCB. am i mistaken?

[fatfreepork]

Hey all!
Im a long time reader here and first time poster.
Ive been following this thread as well as the one from Eoc for quite awhile.

Seems to me that newegg is the only place selling them and the fact that they are literally sold out in a matter of minutes seems to amaze me.

The Eta is still 2-10 and I am anxiously awaiting their availability. I really want this ram pretty bad to replace my PdP Patriot EP Pc3200 ram.

Would it be stupid to just setlle for the TmIII instead of waiting for the Tmsp?

Also since the 256mb sticks are readily available [last time i check at least] should i just get 2 of those?

If i got 3 sticks i would lose dual channel, but i'd be getting a higher Fsb.

I have contacted [Alice] at TwinMos asking for another place to buy from. She says newegg is the only place that carries them. For now at least. She is going to Email me to see if i can order directly from the factory.

Keep posting! I love reading about this ram. Just makes me want it more and more!

[godsa]

have contacted [Alice] at TwinMos asking for another place to buy from. She says newegg is the only place that carries them. For now at least. She is going to Email me to see if i can order directly from the factory.

Keep posting! I love reading about this ram. Just makes me want it more and more!


Are u serious? Newegg is the only company selling them?
Let us know what happens

Would it be stupid to just setlle for the TmIII instead of waiting for the Tmsp?

Buy single stics of TMII and check each one out..TMII is what im guessing The thread starter is saying he had? I nver could figure out which ones he was refering too..just said the cheap ones...Lol

I bought a dual pack..one did 261 fsb..other did 240 with some errors at 3.3 v
That was TMII Modules

[fatfreepork]

Yeah I read that at Eoc. Still no Email from TwinMos. I called them about 5 hours ago.

That was 261 at 2-2-2-11 right?

Its pretty sufficient enough for me. The Tmsp hits 275 at 2-2-2-5 right? Worthy enough to me for the extra $15 or so.

[godsa]

yeah it was 261 at 2 2 2 11 cpc on..

Check the vx/utt thread for the averages on the sticks...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699&page=1

Thing is u cant tell if they are speed or regular

It hard to tell if they are speed or regular..so much dam reading..like trans..he says his chips have no pb so im guessing that regular twinmos ..so that the tmii

[fatfreepork]

Wow Amazing. Highest result is 275? How high does the ocz ddr booster go on the nf7? Looks like they start performing at 3.3v.

[bwan]

It's hard to believe. I've got another pair to make it 4 X 512MB. Put in my AS8 with 3.25v (read from DDM). I haven't done memtest but it's bencable at 250 FSB @ 2-2-2-5. This is totally amazing. All sticks from the same badge ~ 0503/44D.

[fatfreepork]

Where did you order it from? I need a location besides newegg.

[bwan]

Where did you order it from? I need a location besides newegg.

got em from local store here in Malaysia. They have a distributor here. A bit pricey compare to newegg ~ about $180 a pair.

[fatfreepork]

Ahh fudge. Its well worth the $180. Im taking from my 6800 fund to get some l33t ram.

[McHamzter]

I got 2 of those 512mb sticks yesterday, but they wont work with trcd set to 2, not even at stock speed! It runs fine in test 5 until about 99% of the test, then it caounts about 100 000 errors with the voltage set to 3,6v. I have tested 2 different BIOSes for my DFI nf3, but without any results. I have reseted the bios a several times to see if it was something wich "disturbed" it but no... Have anyone else experienced this kind of problem or know anything about it? (It is the UTT chips for sure)

Thanks

[gundamit]

It's hard to believe. I've got another pair to make it 4 X 512MB. Put in my AS8 with 3.25v (read from DDM). I haven't done memtest but it's bencable at 250 FSB @ 2-2-2-5. This is totally amazing. All sticks from the same badge ~ 0503/44D. That is exactly the screenshot I've been looking for! Amazing doesn't begin to describe 2048 of memory running at 250fsb at those tight timings! Can someone try this on an A64 mobo and get 1T? Please post more benches and timing details. How does it affect game play? :slobber:

[TEDY]

bwan you have same as me 0503/44D

But i sold my pair.

[esdee]

Wow Amazing. Highest result is 275? How high does the ocz ddr booster go on the nf7? Looks like they start performing at 3.3v.


im working pretty much to get a 280@DC

currently im at 253@tightest timming@3.2V (3.23 actually on the DFI) , with the one stick sucking big time.
good news is, more twinmos are now avail in Greece to match the good one

ofcource ill update :D

[Fr3ak]

I also have those Twinmos Speed Premium 2x512mb. I can do 245 cl2.0 2-2-2-5 @3.17V memtest 5 errorfree. But I get lots of errors (about 193 per pass) with the default tests. Is that somethin to worry about? I also get about 14 errors at 100x10 cl2.0 2 2 5 @ 3.2V with a single 512mb stick ;/

[setyotomo]

wow already 2K posts in this thread.

when these get back in stock at newegg, what chances are that they will be utt +BP pcb.

i heard in this thread that week 48 of speed premium will be 100% utt +BP PCB. am i mistaken?

i think not , i have a bunch of 4484 (week 48) and all use the same PCB's, which is KO-6633

i hope this is new info for u guys ;

the Speed Premium's 512x2 4464 clocked about 10mhz higher than others...

yesterday a have 4 pairs of 512x2, which is : (all out of the box - no burn in - all in 3.8v)

1. 4464 = 263 mhz
2. 4464 = 263 mhz
3. 4484 = 255 mhz
4. 50x4 = 255 mhz

sadly i dont have a chance to test further on each pair - they all sold out just a couple of hours

the chip - print and give this to your local dealer/store - it might help

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24447&stc=1

this is my 4464 512x2 sticks .. on LP UT NF4 Ultra D

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/9853/30sfulllow9yy.jpg

PS : they all can bench @ 3.6v actually, but i just give it 3.8v for no reason :p:

[xpr-k]

It's hard to believe. I've got another pair to make it 4 X 512MB. Put in my AS8 with 3.25v (read from DDM). I haven't done memtest but it's bencable at 250 FSB @ 2-2-2-5. This is totally amazing. All sticks from the same badge ~ 0503/44D.


same batch i got , but im stuck with 3.1Vdimm >;

[nightic]

TwinMOS Speed Premium 512MB sticks now back in stock at Chief Value. Won't last long I bet:

http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?item=20-218-405

[nightic]

Back in at newegg too:

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0

[LilGator]

umm yeah, wow 1 stick left ...

I think i'll go shoot myself...

[Bennah]

Yup was gunner post that just now.

Roll up Roll up... Get your 512MB sticks from the egg right now...

[JDizzle]

Is this 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0) set the same as 2 of these 512mb (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0) sticks?

[nightic]

Is this 1GB (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0) set the same as 2 of these 512mb (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0) sticks?

Technically no, the individual 512MB stick being 'Speed Premium' and the 1GB kit not.
However, recent orders have indicated that the non-SP kit is arriving with UTT ICs although usually marked 50D rather than 44D.
Results in both cases have been similar nonetheless.

[JDizzle]

Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for.

[fatfreepork]

Got the auto-confirm from newegg about the availability. Tried to order 5 sticks. Kept going back to 1 till i realized i had bought the last stick. Jeez im gonna have to wait another few days. 2/15 to be exact, for another couple sticks.

[Ulti]

Why is everybody still so excited about the TwinMos SP? I have a GB kit here and I'm having a lot of troubles with it, just like a lot of other dutch overclockers. A lot of dimms don't want to run 2-2-2-5 timings (just like ch5, it likes 2-3-2-5 better) no matter the voltage or don't get over 220 no matter the voltage. Are we having a bad batch in the Netherlands and Germany or something?

[GazC]

Got a question that I hope someone here may be able to answer.

I got 2x256 Twinmos SP from Bennah the other day and I memtested it error free upto 260mhz @ 2-2-2-6 1:1 and 1T @ 3.45Volts But it will not remain stable in windows. The only way I could get into windows was to run with the 166 divider.

Ben says he's tested these sticks on a P4 at 246 at only 3.1volts. So I am wondering if I am using the wrong bios. I'm currently using the 1.41b because I usually run TCCD.

would somebody else with a MSI K8N Neo2 please tell me which bios they are using for good results?

I would get a few and try out, but I had to remove my DDR booster and pop the TCCD back in to be able to get stable enough to post here :(

It's too much messing around to keep on hooking the booster up and then fiddle with a multi meter and then taking it all apart again.

[trans am]

1st rule:
never use a neo2 with a booster. (it will eventually die because the board uses crappy power components. huge flux in volts...etc.)
2nd rule:
never use a neo2 period.
3rd rule:
use a high cfm fan over the dimms and booster. heat is a huge factor when overclocking UTT and booster if using one must be kept cool at all times.
4th rule:
burn them in! not everyone is going to boot into 260 2-2-2 the first time. You should find the max mhz and max volts (try 3.2v first and work your way up .1v at a time, if you get more errors, or no gain in overclock, just roll the volts back to the last best stable setting) and then roll back a few mhz and loop memtest overnight while you sleep.
it's good to keep a log of memtest86 and all the settings you change in the bios. you can make an excel spread sheet and just keep track of your used settings. like volts, mhz, 1t/2t, vcore, chipset volts, drive strength, timings, etc....run test 5 to start out and loop a few times then roll on to some other tests, but usually test 5 is quick indication if it's stable or not.
make sure you are cooling the ram well while you do this. keep the case door open. then use your computer at the highest stable overclock and use your computer like you normally would for a week or so, then go back in a week or two and try to overlock them a bit more. in most cases they will reach higher a few more mhz. / also you will probably be able to oc the same speed but you will need less volts from burning in, this may contribute to higher speed since they are using less volts thus in turn will run cooler.
sorry for the long story, but i hope it might help some of you.

[LilGator]

k, so the only option for Neo2 peoples is TCCD ?

[WiCKeD]

if both have UTT chips... it's the same! tho some SP have BP pcb... but their superioty over the KO pcb is yet to be seen.Can I get a picture of someone who can confirm they have the BP PCB? ...because if there is no difference, I'm cancelling this order of SP and going with the TMII. :cool:

[$ilver]

1st rule:
never use a neo2 with a booster. (it will eventually die because the board uses crappy power components. huge flux in volts...etc.)
2nd rule:
never use a neo2 period.
3rd rule:
use a high cfm fan over the dimms and booster. heat is a huge factor when overclocking UTT and booster if using one must be kept cool at all times.
4th rule:
burn them in! not everyone is going to boot into 260 2-2-2 the first time. You should find the max mhz and max volts (try 3.2v first and work your way up .1v at a time, if you get more errors, or no gain in overclock, just roll the volts back to the last best stable setting) and then roll back a few mhz and loop memtest overnight while you sleep.
it's good to keep a log of memtest86 and all the settings you change in the bios. you can make an excel spread sheet and just keep track of your used settings. like volts, mhz, 1t/2t, vcore, chipset volts, drive strength, timings, etc....run test 5 to start out and loop a few times then roll on to some other tests, but usually test 5 is quick indication if it's stable or not.
make sure you are cooling the ram well while you do this. keep the case door open. then use your computer at the highest stable overclock and use your computer like you normally would for a week or so, then go back in a week or two and try to overlock them a bit more. in most cases they will reach higher a few more mhz. / also you will probably be able to oc the same speed but you will need less volts from burning in, this may contribute to higher speed since they are using less volts thus in turn will run cooler.
sorry for the long story, but i hope it might help some of you.
what would you tell me , if i would say , that i'm going to buy an neo2+booster for my UTT ?

[Da_BoKa]

1st rule:
never use a neo2 with a booster. (it will eventually die because the board uses crappy power components. huge flux in volts...etc.)
2nd rule:
never use a neo2 period.
3rd rule:
use a high cfm fan over the dimms and booster. heat is a huge factor when overclocking UTT and booster if using one must be kept cool at all times.
4th rule:
burn them in! not everyone is going to boot into 260 2-2-2 the first time. You should find the max mhz and max volts (try 3.2v first and work your way up .1v at a time, if you get more errors, or no gain in overclock, just roll the volts back to the last best stable setting) and then roll back a few mhz and loop memtest overnight while you sleep.
it's good to keep a log of memtest86 and all the settings you change in the bios. you can make an excel spread sheet and just keep track of your used settings. like volts, mhz, 1t/2t, vcore, chipset volts, drive strength, timings, etc....run test 5 to start out and loop a few times then roll on to some other tests, but usually test 5 is quick indication if it's stable or not.
make sure you are cooling the ram well while you do this. keep the case door open. then use your computer at the highest stable overclock and use your computer like you normally would for a week or so, then go back in a week or two and try to overlock them a bit more. in most cases they will reach higher a few more mhz. / also you will probably be able to oc the same speed but you will need less volts from burning in, this may contribute to higher speed since they are using less volts thus in turn will run cooler.
sorry for the long story, but i hope it might help some of you.
Then plz, tell us what mobo people should get besides nforce4 (not everyone got a pci-E card ), the epox? Booster won't work on that, and not everyone is willing to do a vdimm mod. And neither is via a good choice!

[Rabbi_NZ]

yeah it was 261 at 2 2 2 11 cpc on..

Check the vx/utt thread for the averages on the sticks...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699&page=1

Thing is u cant tell if they are speed or regular

It hard to tell if they are speed or regular..so much dam reading..like trans..he says his chips have no pb so im guessing that regular twinmos ..so that the tmii
It's not difficult at all.... it will say "SP UTT" at the top of EVERY set of results that use Speed Premium, otherwise it will just say "UTT"

[trans am]

I understand how you feel completely! The fact of the matter is that neo2 sucks with a booster. i mean it will work, but the question is for how long? if you read around the amd section, it's no secret that people have lots of issues on the neo2. i am speaking from 1st hand experience with several neo2's all have died either because of the booster, or because they just died. I think if you had to stick with a agp board, i guess the neo2 is the best option out of them. just don't expect it to last.
sorry guys.

[Jessfm]

Its more to do with the booster been crap then the boards

[GazC]

I understand how you feel completely! The fact of the matter is that neo2 sucks with a booster. i mean it will work, but the question is for how long? if you read around the amd section, it's no secret that people have lots of issues on the neo2. i am speaking from 1st hand experience with several neo2's all have died either because of the booster, or because they just died. I think if you had to stick with a agp board, i guess the neo2 is the best option out of them. just don't expect it to last.
sorry guys.

I was only planning on using the booster/UTT for benching. I have TCCD for 24/7 usage. I understand your reservations about the booster and your opinion of the Neo2.

But someone must be using UTT with the Neo2, anyone?

[Lord_RTKK]

How about Twinmos UTT and Via K8T800?? Any problems or incompatibilities??
I have bougth some TwinMOS SP and I´m waiting for it...
I will try it in my KV8 Pro 1.1 voltmodded, any suggestions?

[$ilver]

my idea ... vdimm mod with 5v rail ...possible ?

[DamienKC]

Hi there, I've been thinking about getting some TwinMOS because I heard it's a great overclocker. However, I need some questions answered.

1. From what I read, this (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1) is the really good overclocker, right?
2. What about the $140 2x512mb kit here (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1), is it just as good or not?

That's all, thanks :)

[JDizzle]

Answered just a few post above yours.

Technically no, the individual 512MB stick being 'Speed Premium' and the 1GB kit not.
However, recent orders have indicated that the non-SP kit is arriving with UTT ICs although usually marked 50D rather than 44D.
Results in both cases have been similar nonetheless.

[godsa]

It's not difficult at all.... it will say "SP UTT" at the top of EVERY set of results that use Speed Premium, otherwise it will just say "UTT"


Sweet thanks for doing that extra work..I appreciate it and thank u ;)

[afireinside]

Damn that 2*512 kit is like 155 with shipping and tax for me. I have 2*256 BH5 now but I really want a gig. Will I deffinatly get UTT with the 1 gig kit or no?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Tip of the day: Would everyone with UTT see if they gain any MHz by going from Tras=10 to Tras=8 please

It may only be an AMD thing, or a clawhammer thing, or a nF3 thing, or a DFI thing... I'm not sure.

But I gain approx 4MHz by changing timings from 2-2-2-10-7-15 to 2-2-2-8-7-15.... now memtest STABLE at 260 with 3.2v bios setting :D

[esdee]

Tip of the day: Would everyone with UTT see if they gain any MHz by going from Tras=10 to Tras=8 please

It may only be an AMD thing, or a clawhammer thing, or a nF3 thing, or a DFI thing... I'm not sure.

But I gain approx 4MHz by changing timings from 2-2-2-10-7-15 to 2-2-2-8-7-15.... now memtest STABLE at 260 with 3.2v bios setting :D

im experimenting in memtest UTT setting right now. i was always using 2-2-2-5
if you have messanger send it to talk about it

[Klisp]

Will do i was allways running 2-2-2-6-15-16-2-2-2-2 @ 260Mhz

[fareastgq]

Well guys, I'm getting a new ultra d board and some more SP ram... hopefully, I'll have some good 260+ 2 2 2 action....Now I just gotta decide on what cpu....I'll let u guys know how it goes on an ultra-d and 3.6- 4 volts, and some good ole water action.hehe.

[cantankerous]

interesting on the 8-10 thing. 8 is tighter I thought it would have had the opposite effect but in reality I think I have the same thing with my VX. I get more errors running 244 in memtest at 10 tras then I do 8. Hmmm. Im running them on NF2 as well.

[Ulti]

I always run with tras at 5, to my knowledge the A64 does like a tras as low as possible, not like the XP at 11 (or 10 as some users seem to think with the A64). If I'm incorrect I'd like to know ;)

[Klisp]

Everything seems to be stable in windows when i run @ 2-2-2-6 @ 260fsb.
It's been primming for about 16mintues. How much longer should i prime before i could say it's 260 stable ?

[esdee]

rabbi_nz i think the reason for that MHz increase is something else ...

guys awsome news ... i found another stick that can do excactly like my good one

memtesting#5 for 2 hours at Dual channel at 259@2-2-5-2-8-15-2-2-1-1 1T ofcourse
bank interleave enabled with ONLY 3.2V on the DFI NF4 Ultra-D board...

whats the WR for 2x512 sticks :D ?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Klispe, I like to run 8hr-10hr.... then I KNOW my system is stable enough for daily use. 1-2hr prime stable can still cause errors in games, superpi, internet browsing etc after a while
rabbi_nz i think the reason for that MHz increase is something else ...
Please share with us what you think the reason for the MHz increase is :D
Reason I figured it was Tras is it is the ONLY thing I changed...

guys awsome news ... i found another stick that can do excactly like my good one

memtesting#5 for 2 hours at Dual channel at 259@2-2-5-2-8-15-2-2-1-1 1T ofcourse
bank interleave enabled with ONLY 3.2V on the DFI NF4 Ultra-D board...

whats the WR for 2x512 sticks :D ?
Funny, I max at the same speed as you... we both have great modules!
except my settings are 259@2-2-8-2-7-15 1T @3.2v
What is your max at 3.3v now?

[EDIT]
Please contribute to the thread linked to in my sig esdee

[esdee]

Klispe, I like to run 8hr-10hr.... then I KNOW my system is stable enough for daily use. 1-2hr prime stable can still cause errors in games, superpi, internet browsing etc after a while

Please share with us what you think the reason for the MHz increase is :D
Reason I figured it was Tras is it is the ONLY thing I changed...


Funny, I max at the same speed as you... we both have great modules!
except my settings are 259@2-2-8-2-7-15 1T @3.2v
What is your max at 3.3v now?

[EDIT]
Please contribute to the thread linked to in my sig esdee

ok here we go

Temprature fall : my ambient changed from 15C to 19C
this resulted in (testing with 1 Dimm@3.2V) a 3MHz drop (from 261->258) memtest#5 stable, maybe your ambient changed too?

have you tried putting it back from 8 to 10 and see how they clock?

a few other reasons that could change your OC could be a change in other timmings (Max asynch latency, read preamable,Trfc ...) they all seem to affect o/c ability (as well they affect bandwidth)

maybe they burned in and now they can do better ? :D

or they simply like 8 from 10 :D

they new good dimm can do 267 in single channel with 3.3V
i don' t know yet in DC with my other good DIMM since i'll both leave them to burn in overnight at 259@3.2V with a sucky 19ambient.

below is a pic with 10x259 :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24612

[Klisp]

Could giving to much Vdimm hinder getting a high FSB on this UTT memory ?

[esdee]

Could giving to much Vdimm hinder getting a high FSB on this UTT memory ?

maybe, maybe not
they responde very well up to 3.3
the only way to find out is to test

oh , by the way guys ... 3.8V from the DFI killed one DIMM two days ago
if your DIMMs don't perform that well don't push them hard with voltage!
bad sticks seem to be more sensitive !

@rabbi_nz give me a couple of days to run up to 3.6V on them to have full voltage scale results :)

[Shroomalistic]

just got my 1gig kit on non-sp twinmos 3200
its aa4t stuff
Winbond utt moduals
05034 -50D

[Rabbi_NZ]

@rabbi_nz give me a couple of days to run up to 3.6V on them to have full voltage scale results :)
thanks bro... look forward to your results!

I have changed nothing other than Tras from 10 to 8... maybe it is a socket 754 thing or maybe a clawhammer thing... I dont know, but 2 other guys actually tipped me off bout this so it is not limited to me. And it seems to improve stability on nF2 aswell.
They are actually programmed for SPD of 2-2-2-8 so it doesn't seem overly suprising to me.

Temps have risen for me too, but the only frequency to have dropped is at 3.1v... and it has REALLY DROPPED. I'm not sure if after a burnin these chips lose their lower voltage performance and gain top end or if it's just the additional heat.. but I have gone from ~248 MHz to ~240 when running 2-2-2-10 and ~242 with 2-2-2-8... strange.

I can actually do a loop or two at 267 2-2-2-8 3.3v but then I get quite a few errors... my temps are quite high (bout 30c+ case temps) so it likely the cause.... but all that will be remedied in the near future ;)

[esdee]

just got my 1gig kit on non-sp twinmos 3200
its aa4t stuff
Winbond utt moduals
05034 -50D

all my DIMMs are like those :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24616&stc=1

[esdee]

thanks bro... look forward to your results!

I have changed nothing other than Tras from 10 to 8... maybe it is a socket 754 thing or maybe a clawhammer thing... I dont know, but 2 other guys actually tipped me off bout this so it is not limited to me. And it seems to improve stability on nF2 aswell.
They are actually programmed for SPD of 2-2-2-8 so it doesn't seem overly suprising to me.

Temps have risen for me too, but the only frequency to have dropped is at 3.1v... and it has REALLY DROPPED. I'm not sure if after a burnin these chips lose their lower voltage performance and gain top end or if it's just the additional heat.. but I have gone from ~248 MHz to ~240 when running 2-2-2-10 and ~242 with 2-2-2-8... strange.

I can actually do a loop or two at 267 2-2-2-8 3.3v but then I get quite a few errors... my temps are quite high (bout 30c+ case temps) so it likely the cause.... but all that will be remedied in the near future ;)

we use different platforms ... and if your RAM likes 8 just leave it there :D

[situman]

for the life of me i cant get these things stable on my intel system. Modded IC7-G Vdimm and Vtt and Vdd modded. no luck with it what so ever.

[Rabbi_NZ]

for the life of me i cant get these things stable on my intel system. Modded IC7-G Vdimm and Vtt and Vdd modded. no luck with it what so ever.
situman... read this quote. I've now heard of a few people that say Refresh rate on the Intel systems should NOT be 64uS...
First when I tested these sticks on Intel platform, 200FSB with 2-2-2-5 settings was extremely unstable. Now I started to test again these stick with memtest, this time on DFI 875P-T LanParty. I found out that Refresh Mode at 64µs (ICH offset 69 = 53 instead of default 52 aka 7.8µs) will kill completely overclockability of these sticks. With 64µs selected these sticks gave hundreds of errors in memtest no matter what the voltage was. After setting refresh mode to Auto (7.8µs) these sticks really started to fly :D

I was able to run benches at 255FSB 2-2-2-5 / Turbo - 7.8µs - 70µs - Enabled - Enabled - Disabled (CPC) - Enabled with only 3.45V :D
.......
Sandra unbuffered takes quite big hit when refresh mode is 7.8µs instead of 64µs and CPC is disabled.

[situman]

I have no idea what the refresh rate is. I don't think I've seen it in the Abit bios.

[Rabbi_NZ]

You can change it with 865 Tweaker or Pmem.
865 Tweaker (http://www.cpuid.org/download/Tw865.zip)
Try this bro

[sparkie34]

:with:

I was having some minor issues with my bh-5. I read about this program and tried it. Its been smooth sailing since. :idea:

[situman]

does it work with 875 chipsets?

[situman]

nm dumb question

[situman]

after i disabled Performance mode, i restarted ran memtest and says PAT is still enabled. Sandra did take a hit. But whatevers, theres more than enough bandwidth already. Is there any way for me to make the tweak permanent without having to run it every single time while Im in windows?

[sparkie34]

I haven't found a way yet. I wish I could but unless someone mods a bios for us we are SOL.

[situman]

ehh suxxors. but thanks for the link.

[hipro5]

after i disabled Performance mode, i restarted ran memtest and says PAT is still enabled. Sandra did take a hit. But whatevers, theres more than enough bandwidth already. Is there any way for me to make the tweak permanent without having to run it every single time while Im in windows?

With the IC7 Mobo you can't disable the PAT thing that is a pain in the ass(.) for those modules.......Try to run them like this : 2 - 5 - 3 - 2 , Auto , Normal , 5(or 4=faster) ,Disable , disable....... ;)

[Da_BoKa]

just got my 1gig kit on non-sp twinmos 3200
its aa4t stuff
Winbond utt moduals
05034 -50D

Twinmos or Mtec chips?

[Fr3ak]

I tried running 2-2-2-5, 2-2-2-8 and 2-2-2-11 now. Sandra gives me 3496/3261, 3516/3287 and 3560/3315 at 245Mhz, 3.18V. All settings passed 30 loops of memtest test5.But as soon as I run default tests, I get about 200errors per pass :/ I even get errors using a single 512MB stick at 3.2V running 100x10 or running 200x10 with worst timing I can set. Is that something to worry about or is memtest test 5 enough to say its stable enough? Prime run just fine at priority 10 for 14 hours, will do 24hours next week. 3d Mark 01 run also fine for 5 hours. I just get occasionally bluescreens and dont know what the reason of those are. Will format next week to make sure it aint WinXP ;) Or is that because I am not default memtest stable?

[largon]

I tried running 2-2-2-5, 2-2-2-8 and 2-2-2-11 now. Sandra gives me 3496/3261, 3516/3287 and 3560/3315 at 245Mhz , 3.18V.
Why is your 245 2-2-2-11 bandwidth so low? I get 3741/3512 on 245MHz 2-2-2-11 (1T)

[Shroomalistic]

Twinmos or Mtec chips?


Twinmos chips, there identical to the SP in every way but the 50D instead of 44D

[situman]

With the IC7 Mobo you can't disable the PAT thing that is a pain in the ass(.) for those modules.......Try to run them like this : 2 - 5 - 3 - 2 , Auto , Normal , 5(or 4=faster) ,Disable , disable....... ;)


thanks, will try tonight.

[situman]

I tried running 2-2-2-5, 2-2-2-8 and 2-2-2-11 now. Sandra gives me 3496/3261, 3516/3287 and 3560/3315 at 245Mhz, 3.18V. All settings passed 30 loops of memtest test5.But as soon as I run default tests, I get about 200errors per pass :/ I even get errors using a single 512MB stick at 3.2V running 100x10 or running 200x10 with worst timing I can set. Is that something to worry about or is memtest test 5 enough to say its stable enough? Prime run just fine at priority 10 for 14 hours, will do 24hours next week. 3d Mark 01 run also fine for 5 hours. I just get occasionally bluescreens and dont know what the reason of those are. Will format next week to make sure it aint WinXP ;) Or is that because I am not default memtest stable?


you need to run memtest a lot longer. I get errors after the 447th pass of memtest #5. Then I ran every test there is on memtest and there are errors in other tests as well. So I wouldnt just rely on just test 5.

[damasta]

someone knows a way how to give the ram more juice than 3.3v on dfi s754 other than modding the psu ?

[sparkie34]

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=328318


The bios you need is on this page to allow up to 4v. But you will need to mod your 3.3v psu rail.

[damasta]

yeah i knew that but i got a crappy 400w coba psu and i don´t think it´s possible to mod that thing :)

[celemine1Gig]

yeah i knew that but i got a crappy 400w coba psu and i don´t think it´s possible to mod that thing :)

Every PSU is moddable ;)
There might not be a sense wire, but that doesn't mean that it's not moddable. Well and Coba PSUs aren't as crappy as you might think.

[damasta]

hmm ok then it´s just weak ^^
drops down to 11.4 volts when setting my a64nc to 1.7vcore and 2.6ghz :(
have to admit that i have an oc´ed 6800 in the rig :D

[celemine1Gig]

hmm ok then it´s just weak ^^
drops down to 11.4 volts when setting my a64nc to 1.7vcore and 2.6ghz :(
have to admit that i have an oc´ed 6800 in the rig :D

Did you measure with a multimeter on a spare molex connector under load. I ask, because this could also be caused by the mobo giving in. For example, my Tagan PSU always regulates to a perfect 12V, even under full load, but the monitoring software says something about 11,6V under load. These .04V difference is a drop caused by the mobo and not by the PSU.

[Fr3ak]

Why is your 245 2-2-2-11 bandwidth so low? I get 3741/3512 on 245MHz 2-2-2-11 (1T)


Maybe because I cant set 1T in bios...

[Klisp]

Quick question:

What does everyone have their AGP voltage set to ?

I have mine at 1.6V.

[enok]

agp 1.65v here... improved my overall stability.

[aCidbAbY]

mine is 1.5v...

[Rabbi_NZ]

1.6v for me.... it is stable at 1.5v, i jus do it to be on the safe side.
jus for the record, i hav NEVER seen a benefit from raising vAGP

[Klisp]

I was just wondering if it could improve increased fsb. I'm just confused because i memtest test #5 @258fsb and it can do 100 passes and then spit out 2 errors.
How many passes untill a person considers a certain fsb stable. 40? 50?

[Rabbi_NZ]

If I get no errors in memtest for a complete run overnight of test #5, then at least 8hrs of Prime Blend, i call it stable.

Those two errors may be heat related Klisp... what are you ambient temps like, and how good is the airflow over the modules?

[enok]

@ Rabbi_NZ , i can only play 3D games if i raise my vagp. :) this at 240Mhz of course.
btw, congrats for the wonderfull job at "VX/UTT Voltage Scaling" thread. :)

[krampak]

I should try harder with my Buffalo CH5, i've just passed super pi 8MB at 250 Cas 1'5-2-2 1T. I don't know the vdimm cause the LEDs are burned (and i don't have a voltimeter at the moment), but it may be low because the heatsink of the ocz booster is quite cold.

[Rabbi_NZ]

@ Rabbi_NZ , i can only play 3D games if i raise my vagp. :) this at 240Mhz of course.
btw, congrats for the wonderfull job at "VX/UTT Voltage Scaling" thread. :)
Thanks mate :)

[Klisp]

If I get no errors in memtest for a complete run overnight of test #5, then at least 8hrs of Prime Blend, i call it stable.

Those two errors may be heat related Klisp... what are you ambient temps like, and how good is the airflow over the modules?
My ambient temps in my room are good. I have to wear a nice sweater in here.
Over my memory i have 2 80mm fans.
Here is a pic:

[Rabbi_NZ]

Your cooling is much better than mine... doest look like you got much to worry bout there bro.

What are your timings?

For reference, I run these timings. They are in the order found in the DFI BIOS:

1T-2-2-8-2-7-15-0-3-1-2-3072-1-Increase-255-Level2

[Klisp]

Well i run these timmings on my DFI BIOS:

1T-2-2-6-2 and the rest of the settings are on auto.
I'm gonna see if your setting will help since i'm running everything on auto.

Here is a screen shot of my current "A64 Tweaker" settings:

[Rabbi_NZ]

hav you tried Tras=8?

Also, bare in mind those timings I gave are the tightest I can run without hindering my overclock... you RAM may not be as forgiving, but give them a go

[Klisp]

hav you tried Tras=8?
Yup, i tried 8 and 10.

[Rabbi_NZ]

Yup, i tried 8 and 10.
Did you notice any change in max memtest stable MHz between those settings?
Reason I ask is my VX did 3 MHz better at Tras=8 than Tras=10

[Klisp]

I'll try 8 and 10 again and see if i could run at 259 or 260mhz. Usually running 259 will cause 18+ errors per pass of test #5.

[Klisp]

Well i still got errors running @ 8 and 10 tras but they were less. I got about 268 errors the first pass. When i changed the drive strength to 4 i got around 216 errors on the first pass.

Then i decided to play with the "tref" so i set it to 3072 like you had it and got over 300+ errors. Then i set it to "tref" 0128 for the hell of it and then the first pass was error free. wtf ? :confused:

I then went back into windows and checked cpu-z and it says i'm still running 1:1. I think this might be my new setting. What you think ?

[situman]

sigh, i give up. just gonna wait and try it on an AMD setup.. Intel aint doing me right. BH6 and BH5 gives me trouble on this platform.

[Rabbi_NZ]

hhmmm interesting... I only tested the effect on performance with Tref, but didn't do much in the way of seeing whether or not it effects max MHz.

But yeah like I said bro, that Tref (3072) is ABSOLUTE "tightest" I can run... I actually gained a second in SuperPI 1MB @ 10x256 with that setting

Here's something I posted at DFI-Street:
I only ran the settings that related to 200MHz (1:1) ratio... but here are my results with the settings I tried (CPU @ 10x256):

3120 : A close 2nd. Sandra bandwidth = 397x/397x , SuperPI 1MB = 33s-34s
0064 : No POST
1560 : 3rd best. Sandra bandwidth = 393x/393x , SuperPI 1MB = 34s
0032 : Horrendous Bandwidth!!! Sandra bandwidth = 500/500 , SuperPI 1MB = 1:02 m
0780 : 4th best. Sandra bandwidth = 381x/381x , SuperPI 1MB = 34s
0016 : No POST
3072 : Best for me. Sandra bandwidth = 397x/397x , SuperPI 1MB = 33s
0128 : Sandra bandwidth = 252x/252x , SuperPI 1MB = 35s


And here's something jess posted at DFI-Street:
1552= 100mhz(?.?us)
2064= 133mhz(?.?us)
2592= 166mhz(?.?us)
3120= 200mhz(?.?us)(my sweat spot w/ Bh-6 at 250+mhz , your mileage may vary)
---------------------
3632= 100mhz(?.?us)
4128= 133mhz(?.?us)
4672= 166mhz(?.?us)
0064= 200mhz(?.?us)
---------------------
0776= 100mhz(?.?us)
1032= 133mhz(?.?us)
1296= 166mhz(?.?us)
1560= 200mhz(?.?us)
---------------------
1816= 100mhz(?.?us)
2064= 133mhz(?.?us)
2336= 166mhz(?.?us)
0032= 200mhz(?.?us)
---------------------
0388= 100mhz(15.6us)
0516= 133mhz(15.6us)
0648= 166mhz(15.6us)
0780= 200mhz(15.6us)
---------------------
0908= 100mhz(7.8us)
1032= 133mhz(7.8us)
1168= 166mhz(7.8us)
0016= 200mhz(7.8us)
---------------------
1536= 100mhz(3.9us)
2048= 133mhz(3.9us)
2560= 166mhz(3.9us)
3072= 200mhz(3.9us)
---------------------
3684= 100mhz(1.95us)
4196= 133mhz(1.95us)
4708= 166mhz(1.95us)
0128= 200mhz(1.95us)

[Klisp]

hhmmm interesting... I only tested the effect on performance with Tref, but didn't do much in the way of seeing whether or not it effects max MHz.

But yeah like I said bro, that Tref (3072) is ABSOLUTE "tightest" I can run... I actually gained a second in SuperPI 1MB @ 10x256 with that setting

Here's something I posted at DFI-Street:


And here's something jess posted at DFI-Street:
Correct... now i upped the fsb up untill i got an error on a first pass of memtest. I hit a wall @ 262fsb with 5 errors. So i backed down to 261fsb and am now running loops of test 5. Right now i'm on my 7th loop and so far i have had no errors. :toast:

[Rabbi_NZ]

Great :D

ALso, do you have Interleaving Enabled? It's a new option in the latest BIOS

[aCidbAbY]

I went into bios to check this out. i set it as low as it would go so 0016 i llost 2500points or so in sandra with 265mhz 512x1 ...
have you guys benched at lower tref?
windows seemed to boot crazy low, i thought it was locking up..

EDIT::: so i checked back and set it the highest setting tref and got 100mb/s over my best sandra :toast: i am in the proccess of finding my sweet spot...

[Klisp]

Great :D

ALso, do you have Interleaving Enabled? It's a new option in the latest BIOS
I beleave i have that option and it's set to auto. Should it be enabled as you say ?

[trans am]

Klisp I'm glad your speed premium worked out. I'm at 262 still with the 50d's. I am anxious to see how shroomalistic's sticks do since its the same date and same kit I have. That was such a good deal and they are still in stock. I met a art dealer in florida while I was at the art fair and I told him about my computer addiction. He has this crappy sony laptop and it sucks. I said give me a check for $1000 and I'll build a sick system. so far this is what I got for him.
one the many 939 boards I'll throw one in when Im done with the review so it could be
most likely the VNF4 ultra
zalman 7000B sink $31.00
VGA ABIT|RADEONX600PRO-128 PCIE $96.80)
CODEGEN Black ATX Mid-Tower Case, Model "C-6209-CA-38C-W$32.00) (won the anandtech value case shootout)
TWINMOS DUAL 512MBX2 DDR PC-3200 $137.75)
HD 300GB|MAXTOR NCQ 6B300S0 SATAII $188.00)
CPU AMD 64 |3000+ ATHLON 64 939P $149.00)
DVD+/-RW 16x|NEC ND-3520A BK W/O SW $59.99)
OCZ POWERSTREAM 420w $100
SAMSUNG 1.44MB BLACK FLOPPY DRIVE Model# SFD321B/LBL - OEM $6
PANAFLO CASE FANS. $10

video card is crap, but this is not a gamer. i think this is a pretty nice rig for 1K imo.

i plan to test the sticks and take the highest ones for myself. ill mix them up with the current 50Ds I have. cherry picked.

heres a 2001se bench withh everything set to medium and video is at stock. I should break 30k easily once I oc the card. this is a x850xt pe vmodded

[esdee]

Nice info there Rabbi_nz (sorry about last night, messanger is installed on my download box)

here are some more info from me

tref if set to auto it's 3072
my UTT seem to be realy TRFC sensitive. going from 15->16 i got 2MHz more!
so the settings im using to get memtest#5 stable (for 268DC @ 3.4V) are now

2-2-5-7-16-2-2-1-1-auto-3072-Enable
auto-0-auto-Level 4-7ns-4ns-16x-4x-16cycles

hope you understand my timmings :D

have some pictures of benches and tests
the memtest picture is of my WONDER dimm doing Single channel @ 3.3V

Have fun!
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24733
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24734
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24735

[TEDY]

trans am why 100$ for PSU ??? and is there any need for 300GB hd really ?

dvd burners are for that......160GB way too much these days...

[trans am]

trans am why 100$ for PSU ??? and is there any need for 300GB hd really ?

dvd burners are for that......160GB way too much these days...

sorry off topic/ the guy is sharing the computer with 3 people and needs tons of storage. I was going to put 2 120's in raid 0, but it ended up being a little cheaper per gig. with the maxtor 300gb and it has NCQ. so that's another bonus.
the power supply is actually something I really think is important. i'm a psu snob and it is the keys to the system. Your system is only as good as the psu thats powering it. I guess I could've gotten on fortron 530, but id rather give my business to ocz. they are the whole reason for this thread in the first place.

[aCidbAbY]

well done trans am:up: i put my older 420w powerstream in my moms 2800xp rig :D i wanted her to have the best!

i am in the process of trying every tref setting @ 3.48 vdimm 262 mhz 512x1 with my tightest timeings.. i will be letting it run in memtest86 for 5 passes to see if i get errors. then i will go into sandra and test for bandwith :toast:

i will be posting my findings for all of you to enjoy. also rab* i will hit up your thread with my findings..
tref seems to be the key to my stability and performance.

timeings in dfi UT bios are 200-1T-2-2-10-2-9-15-auto-2-1-2-x-auto-increase skew-255-lev2-dynamic counter enabled-rest set to auto

[Rabbi_NZ]

Klisp, try it disabled AND enabled... some guys simply CAN NOT run enabled and maintain stability but if you can it will boost bandwidth a fair amount.
SuperPI 32mb (Interleaving OFF) 10x260 = 31m
SuperPI 32mb (Interleaving ON) 10x264 = 29m

esdee, yeah modules actually start laying bricks if I set Trfc below 15, so that is where I leave it... but I havent tested how Trfc 16 would effect my memtest stability yet. I'll do some testing soon as I can... thanks for the heads up dude.

acid, that'd be sweet bro! cant wait for your results... it means I dont have to test as much myself hehehehe
I'll put your findings on the first page of the Voltage Scaling thread when you're done...
Could you do it in this format... for each Tref:
Find max Memtest for 3-5 loops of test #5
Get Sandra Bandwidth
and wotever else you want...

If we know roughly how many MHz we gain, AND the performance impact, it will make tuning these badboys a sheeeet load easier

[EDIT] acid... do you gain MHz by going from Trc=7 to Trc=9? I dont seem to gain anything... well, I didnt with Tras=10 but things may be dif now.

[GazC]

Well I tried my best last night to get something worthwhile out of my 2x256 Speed premium and have conceeded defeat.

The 1.36Bitpower bios this help stability to the degree that it would last more than 20seconds in windows at 250fsb @ anywhere between 3.2 and 3.4volts - anything higher or lower resulted in BSOD either during or after boot.

I've memtested the ram clean at 260fsb at 3.5v, but doing anything realistic is a joke. My FX-55 can handle 280HTT 1:1 with my gig of Gskill so I know that isn't the culprit. The other possibility is that my OCZ booster is the junk that it looks like. I'm not interested in trying for anything less than 250 x-2-2-2 as it would still be slower than my TCCD @ 280 2.5-3-3-7.

I'm tempted to put this ram down to experience as a good memtest toy but worth nothing in real terms.

I may give it one last chance by doing the 3.3vio mod and controlling the voltage with my PSUs pot. But unless it starts playing at 250+ then, it's going into my business computer to allow me to sell my EB thats in there.

[Rabbi_NZ]

what are your timings GazC?
Tras, Trc, Trfc, Tref and anything else you know

[aCidbAbY]

acid, that'd be sweet bro! cant wait for your results... it means I dont have to test as much myself hehehehe
I'll put your findings on the first page of the Voltage Scaling thread when you're done...
Could you do it in this format... for each Tref:
Find max Memtest for 3-5 loops of test #5
Get Sandra Bandwidth
and wotever else you want...

If we know roughly how many MHz we gain, AND the performance impact, it will make tuning these badboys a sheeeet load easier

[EDIT] acid... do you gain MHz by going from Trc=7 to Trc=9? I dont seem to gain anything... well, I didnt with Tras=10 but things may be dif now.


ok i got the first set done:D sorry bro but if i got through and find the max stable for each setting that would take forever :stick:
eventually i will complete the task though.. for now this is what i got :toast:

1552 5pass 0 errors 35s/4048
2064 5pass 0 errors no/4061
2592 5pass 2 errors no/4070
3120 5pass 0 errors no/4077

3632 5pass 4 errors no/4080
4128 5pass 4 errors 35s/4083
4672 5pass 5 errors no/4084
0064 5pass 0 errors 36s/3259

0776 5pass 12 errors 35s/3984
1032 5pass 16 errors no/4010
1296 5pass 16 errors no/4029
1560 5pass 8 errors 34s/4054

ok this is the it for now.
i will be doing the last set l8tr :toast:
all of these are @ 262 3.48vdimm 1T 1:1

tref-test5-errors-superPI-sandra bandwith

ok this also reinforces my theory last night rab*.
notice that the lower tref in each set shows lower bandwith when paired against the rest of its set?
also i can pass memetest86 x5 no prob on some but superPI is no go :confused:

[GazC]

what are your timings GazC?
Tras, Trc, Trfc, Tref and anything else you know

I don't have A64 tweaker as the download link has been broken since I did my re-installation. All I know is I was using trying 5-2-2-2 and 6-2-2-2.

[Shroomalistic]

Try this link for A64Tweaker (http://home.comcast.net/~shrmytoon/A64Tweaker_V031.zip)

[GazC]

Try this link for A64Tweaker (http://home.comcast.net/~shrmytoon/A64Tweaker_V031.zip)

Cheers Shroomalistic :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

There is also a A64Tweaker download in the VX/UTT Voltage Scaling thread.

GazC, make sure Trfc is 15 or higher... and play around with Tras, Tras=8 works very well for me in terms of stability.

acid... sheeet bro that's awesome! keep it up.. and then when you done go and find max MHz, and then when you done, go and test EVERY other timing and do the same, and then when you're done, tell me the best timings and I will do no testing wot-so-ever :D
For real tho, cheers dude... look forward to the rest of your testing. :toast:

[aCidbAbY]

tell me the best timings and I will do no testing wot-so-ever :D
For real tho, cheers dude... look forward to the rest of your testing. :toast:

roflmao ;) yeah im on my way to finish the second batch. :toast: results up tonight.


EDIT::: sorry guys i just realized that this was in the twinmos thread :stick: i have VX!

[Fr3ak]

All I can set in the bios is cas latency, ras to cas, ras precharge and tras. Are there any Windows tools, to set ram timings and stuff for nforce2 mainboards?

[b|lly]

Hello all.

I'm just another Intel user who's unfortunate to see this ram working on my rig :(

Could each one of you (Intel users) posts your information from 865/875 Tweaker? Cauze i'm very interesting how come it works on some and fails on another...

my data:
asus p4p800-e DELUXE
P4 2.6C
2x512 AA4T/44D twinmos

the far I could go is 240 2.5-3-2-7 (yea...whacky timings) with 3.2V memtest #5 about 20 errors, but stable for games in windows.

[Rabbi_NZ]

CPC Disabled too

[hipro5]

Hello all.

I'm just another Intel user who's unfortunate to see this ram working on my rig :(

Could each one of you (Intel users) posts your information from 865/875 Tweaker? Cauze i'm very interesting how come it works on some and fails on another...

my data:
asus p4p800-e DELUXE
P4 2.6C
2x512 AA4T/44D twinmos

the far I could go is 240 2.5-3-2-7 (yea...whacky timings) with 3.2V memtest #5 about 20 errors, but stable for games in windows.

Why don't you try to set the Performance mode to DISABLE for start........?..... ;)

[b|lly]

Why don't you try to set the Performance mode to DISABLE for start........?..... ;)

Sure....did it....and no difference...only difference is that tweaker shows performance mode DISABLED ;)

PS, max "stable" FSB is 238 ! :(

[Rabbi_NZ]

have you tried 3-2-2 timings?

[b|lly]

3-2-2-8 .... 8 errors ( a few less then on "my" timings) but still bad :(

3-3-3-8 .... again 8 errors, looks like only CAS setting effects stability of OC?

2-x-x-x above 213mhz no BOOT.

PS, i've bought this rame from TEDY so they supposed to work 250 2-2-2-5 ...

[Rabbi_NZ]

TEDY ran them on nF2 DFI I think... you can not compare RAM performance accurately across platforms bro.

That RAM will do 255+ on A64 I am pretty sure :)

[hipro5]

Sure....did it....and no difference...only difference is that tweaker shows performance mode DISABLED ;)

PS, max "stable" FSB is 238 ! :(

In cpu-z what does it shows if you disable it.....?...on memory PAT.......

[b|lly]

I know...i've just mentioned that... :)

then how come that, this RAM can do even 270? I think hipro5 pushed them even higher? But can do only 210 here :(

[b|lly]

In cpu-z what does it shows if you disable it.....?...on memory PAT.......


check pic

[Rabbi_NZ]

What are Trc and Trfc at?

Trfc is very important... set it to >15

[situman]

i have no luck on my intel system too. I pretty much gave up on it. Just hold on to it and upgrade to AMD64.

[b|lly]

I see no trc or trfc on my mobo.

chipset menu looks like this (picture) and timings i can change are: CAS, RAS precharge, RAS to CAS delay, Precharge delay...another setting is Burst Lenght, i've set it to 8, cauze while at 4 I even get more errors.

spread spectrum is set to disabled.

[b|lly]

i have no luck on my intel system too. I pretty much gave up on it. Just hold on to it and upgrade to AMD64.

Hehe dude...must say I was thinking about it....but I aint gonna switch to AMD just because some RAM isnt' working. I have my eyes on some new mobo and CPU (max3 and 3.2E) to get past 4Ghz and I these sticks wont work there....i'll just buy some TCCD then...

But it really bugs me...how come it's not wotking on all intel systems...which setting is the one that is missing or is responsible for the fails...


I'd like to say that enabling performance mode doesn't have effect on number of errors in memtest, but gives me about 200 more in sandra!

[hipro5]

On IC7 mobo that can't trully disable the PAT thing they do well with 2 - 5 - 3 - 2 .........

[situman]

i tried the 2-5-3-2 settings and no help. Even on bh5 and bh6 sticks, it didnt help. my system would free at 250fsb with bh5 and bh6 during gaming. memtest clean, but game freezes after like 10mins.

[fareastgq]

have you guys tried 3.4 volts on your intel systms? I didn't see anyone post with 3.4 volts, most I saw was 3.2.

[situman]

3.54volts here.

[aCidbAbY]

update>>> my final tref results

http://subculture101.com/forum/showthread.php?p=110#post110

[Rabbi_NZ]

good sheeet AcID... looks real nice man.
where's the rest of the timings tho? bro, you're letting the team down LOL

[THunDA]

GJ aCidbAbY.. Looks like that set is treating you better.. :)

[mkleingeld]

On IC7 mobo that can't trully disable the PAT thing they do well with 2 - 5 - 3 - 2 .........

Over here with the Max3 they now do 257mhz 2.5.2.2 with about 3.25 - 3.35vdimm (fluctuates) without vtt mod. So no need to do 2.5.3.2 here. That's with Sp's

[my-whistler]

I see no trc or trfc on my mobo.

chipset menu looks like this (picture) and timings i can change are: CAS, RAS precharge, RAS to CAS delay, Precharge delay...another setting is Burst Lenght, i've set it to 8, cauze while at 4 I even get more errors.

spread spectrum is set to disabled.

billy try these settings and see if it improves...

JUMPER FREE CONFIGURATION

Performance Mode - Auto
DDR Reference Voltage - 2.85V
AGP VDDQ Voltage - 1.8V

CHIPSET

DRAM Burst Length - 8

Memory Acceleration Mode - Auto
DRAM Idle Timer - Infinite
DRAM Refresh Rate - 7.8

Spread Spectrum - Disabled
ICH Delayed Transaction - Enabled

[b|lly]

Thanks for the help, but no difference :(

just my bad luck...

[uwackme]

Anyone find any difference between the "Speed premium" sticks and the 1G kit sticks?

They all hitting the same speed point or are the SP's any faster?

Im dyin here, 3 sets are sitting at the FedX office to be delivered TUESDAY morning...ugh.... its 5 minutes from my house :banana:

[Rabbi_NZ]

There is a thread link in my sig, check out the results there uwackme...

In that thread I have named Speed Premium as "SP UTT". If there is no "SP" in the description it either means the person posting results didnt mention they were SP, or they are not SP.

[tictac]

just order 2 x 256Mb TwinMOS SP .... :banana:

will test it on my DFI LPB ;)

[uwackme]

Maybe Ill grab 2x 512 of SP when it hits tommorrow.

[fareastgq]

I think I just got 2 cherry sticks of SP, they do 243 each at 2.8 volts, unfortunately I have no case atm so I can't even put my stuff togethetr to test it, hehe. No one sells a pc 7077 except newegg, anyone know where else I can get one? Well this weekend my brother in law is coming with his nf4 rig so I'll get some testing in :)

[Shroomalistic]

I think I just got 2 cherry sticks of SP, they do 243 each at 2.8 volts, unfortunately I have no case atm so I can't even put my stuff togethetr to test it, hehe. No one sells a pc 7077 except newegg, anyone know where else I can get one? Well this weekend my brother in law is coming with his nf4 rig so I'll get some testing in :)


can you tell us what the chips say. 050??

[tictac]

My twinMOs just arrive 0448 :banana:

will test it now ;)

[Rabbi_NZ]

can you tell us what the chips say. 050??
are you thinking they might be BH5 shroomy?

fareastgq,
is the code AA4T or 1A4T?

[EDIT] Could someone give me a link to 1x256mb SP or 1x256 Plain UTT at NewEgg please?

[TEDY]

shroomalistic and uwackme

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

this right? so my friend can order

[tictac]

230MHz at the moment...

not max out yet... :hehe:

[Skip]

tedy, i'm pretty sure thats it, becuase look at one of the reviewers of the product, shroomalistic.

[uwackme]

Thats the stuff.

[trans am]

230MHz at the moment...

not max out yet... :hehe:

My 2x256 speed premiums were pretty good TT. 1 stick does 264 and 1 does 267.
These are on brainpower pcb. DO yours have BP too?

[Skip]

didn't alonso say that they arent BP pcb?

[tictac]

My 2x256 speed premiums were pretty good TT. 1 stick does 264 and 1 does 267.
These are on brainpower pcb. DO yours have BP too?

nope... ;)

[fareastgq]

sorry, they are UTT sticks, 44d, not bh-5 based sticks. I'm still expecting alot though.

[Shaman]

I don't know if it has been noted before - this thread is huge!! - but not all Speed Premiums come with a BP pcb...I think that pre-UTT SPs came with BP but newer sticks carrying UTT don't.

Reviews of non-UTT SpeedPremium with BP pcb:
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium
http://www.hardwarezoom.com/viewcontent.jsp?ReviewID=228&PageNo=1

Review of UTT SpeedPremium without BP pcb:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1724

My SP carry the same pcb as the ones in the PCStats.com review above. It's identical to the pcb of the new BH5 Twinmos. Check it out here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53645

Maybe Alonso can clear things up..

[enok]

none of the latest SP has BP pcb. but i remember some early UTT sticks having BP pcb (maybe i'm confusing with the non-UTT ones) and didn't oc higher than the usual KO pcb one's.

[tictac]

AFAIK,
all TwinMOS AA4T is not on BP PCB

only some AADT got BP PCB - which is not Winbond utt tho :slap:

[tictac]

running at 230MHz ... :)

still burning in ;)

http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/pic/230-338.gif

[TEDY]

what system tictac ? 230 not so good.....bump vdimm 3.3v and 245 :)

[aCidbAbY]

has anyone else tried the new DFI UT 250gb bios?
i shaved a stable second off my PI time:) now at 33/s with TREF=1560, DRAM BANK INTERLEAVE...Enabled :toast:

[uwackme]

Question... what the FK is "auto-preharge". It is ON by default in all NForce2 bios's. NForcetweaker lets us turn it off. Anyone know the PCR address for this setting? I'd love to have WPCRSET turn it off, as NFtweaker is incompatible with MBM. There is no setting for it in the DFI NF2 bios, which is ashame since everything else IS there ;-)

The SPD on these rams says it DOES NOT support "autoprecharge" and sure enough turning it OFF gets a few more Mhz out of the ram, and no loss in bandwidth.

BTW Im sitting on the SP page @ Newegg refreshing all day hoping to catch the release.

Further stability testing....using NF7-S 3.2Vdimm, Im very tired now.... on all 4 sets. My original MIRACLE set week5-2005, 3 other sets are week3-2005, one set has a bad stick that gives a 1bit error in memtest regardless of settings...definitely single bad chip on it, so RMA for that pair.

The SO SO sets get 230-5Mhz's with 3.2Vdimm, 1T but start to get errors and arent Prime-stable above this. 2T gets us to 240Mhz or just beyond.

The miracle set gets 238Mhz 1T on this test setup (245Mhz on DFI w/3.48Vdimm). The higher VDimm on DFI got memtest to pass higher on the other 2 sets (not counting bad set anymore) but actualy 3D/Prime testing showed the extra voltage didnt help.

The first pr I got and call "miracle" 1T/2T had no effect on results, making me think it would but at a FSB above my chipset's ability to reach and see it.

Research continues.... hope I can bag a pr of SP's today.

[endo]

oh my god....
my board can't run with vdimm 3,48....
just 3,2V...
...
wowww...that's great man..!!!

[Klisp]

has anyone else tried the new DFI UT 250gb bios?
i shaved a stable second off my PI time:) now at 33/s with TREF=1560, DRAM BANK INTERLEAVE...Enabled :toast:
WTG AcidBaby ! :toast:

[xxORBxx]

I just got my TwinMOS. The code on the chips is
0506D
TMD7608F8E501

Anyone know if they are UTT/any good? They dont seem to be so far.

[Rabbi_NZ]

has anyone else tried the new DFI UT 250gb bios?
i shaved a stable second off my PI time:) now at 33/s with TREF=1560, DRAM BANK INTERLEAVE...Enabled :toast:
Great results bro... I am running the same BIOS. Gained me over a minute in SuperPI32mb :D

Do you get a million errors with Interleaving Disabled?

[BeSaiD]

the new bios has the +3.3v rail mod?

Can someone post or PM me the url to get it?

[Rabbi_NZ]

the new bios has the +3.3v rail mod?

Can someone post or PM me the url to get it?
acid PM'd this to me...
http://s6.invisionfree.com/underclock/index.php?showtopic=407

[aCidbAbY]

acid PM'd this to me...


i got this from KLISP* :toast: thx KLISP...

[Highland3r]

0448D TMD7608F8E50D
Are these chips UTT or just plain crap?

[tictac]

0448D TMD7608F8E50D
Are these chips UTT or just plain crap?

check the PN number on the sticker :hehe:

not chip no on the chip :slap:

[Highland3r]

Supposdly the part number ends AADT so no UTT it seems :(

[celemine1Gig]

check the PN number on the sticker :hehe:

not chip no on the chip :slap:

Well, don't slap him that fast. The info he gave is enough! ;)

The D in "0448D TMD7608F8E50D" indicates that these chips are not Winbond based. If they were Winbond based, there would be a 4 in place of the D. :toast: ;)

Edit: Hmm, not fast enough, but perhaps my info helps some other people.

[xxORBxx]

so can anyone tell me that my chips are 100% not UTT?

0506D
TMD7608F8E501

[Rabbi_NZ]

prob not bro
0506D = not likely
05064 = UTT

[uwackme]

All of mine are "05034" or "05044" and "TMD7608F8E50D" on the chips themselves, with "xxxxxx1AA4T" at the upper right corner of the white sticker.

[Chr0n1c]

Well I got some 50D's (05034)

one does 220 the other 260ish ::poke::

I'll burn em in *sigh* I have had some really bad luck with UTT so far.

[xxORBxx]

prob not bro
0506D = not likely
05064 = UTT
Just what i wanted to hear :(

[uwackme]

Yeah, I have an inner debate now..... do I RMA this bad set, or refund it? Should I roll the dice on a UTT or take the %15 hit and go for SP? Or wait till 1A4T "bh5".

[Chr0n1c]

I thought speed premium was all AA4T 44D chips?

I'm keeping my kit and gonna look for another stick that will do 260 =/.

[uwackme]

Alphonso mentioned they were going to be coming out with a new product based on BH5 tech.... "1A4T" would be the number on it. This is different than the UTT "AA4T" stuff that is for sale today. Yes SP is 44D versions of "AA4T" while normal UTT is 50D version of "AA4T". But SP is mighty hard to get, almost as hard as RedSox ticket releases.

On a weird note. The set that does 245Mhz 2T.... I beat the crap out of it over night and now it MEMTEST 1.51's @ 245Mhz 1T with no errors. However, it acts like total crap in Windows @ 1T. Rock solid 3D/Prime stable at 245Mhz x10 @2T 8,2,2,2,2.0, so I dont know what to make of that, Ive never seen ram pass memtest and be so unstable in windows before.

But on a bright note, this ram absolutely would NOT pass memtest @ 1T over 220Mhz... until this morning, so some kind of "burnin" occured. Ill keep hammering on it. It's as if the "1T-ness" factor is right on the hairy-edge of work/no-work on NForce2. These sticks will all probably shine brightly on A64 boards, Norce2 is a pain in the arse at high FSB 2x512M 1T.

But if this is worst case scenario, it STILL beats my BH5 on NForce2 as 242Mhz Primestable is the best I can get @2T on the 2x 512M BH5 in DFI Infinity.

I guess Ill roll the dice on another PC3200 set and RMA the defective 4th set for replacement.

[cantankerous]

my VX acts very unstable in windows. The most I can get my VX stable too on my DFI LPB NF2 is 243. That is memtest stable however in Windows all hell breaks lose on anything over the early 200's. Apps closing themseleves out, blue screens, freezing etc.

[Rabbi_NZ]

Like uwackme said, there is nothing any memory can do for you man... nF2 was left in the dust because it is outdated now and not capable of addressing large amounts of memory at high speeds.

My NF7-S was MemTest STABLE 100% to 246 MHz 2-2-2 2x512 BH5 1T.... but come windows and it would lay bricks all over the place... max stable was bout 225 MHz - 233 MHz...

[uwackme]

Cant.... what result do you get with CPC OFF? Like I said, this set of VX er UTT does memtest 245Mhz regardless of 1-2T now, but Windows barfs at 1T. 2T its solid to 245Mhz, but 1T its solid to 220Mhz 8,3,3,2,2.0 acting alot like, hmmm, CH5 ;-) Just curious.

NForce2 can kick ass, but you gotta really work at it. Im happily sitting at 245Mhz x11 1T 8,2,2,2,2.0 with this 1st set of UTT...@ 3.48Vdimm 1.9Vdd.

Im working on a friends NF7 now, its going to be home to the 2t-happy set, and HIS NForce.... Vmod'd to 2.9Vbios=3.25Vreal isnt really liking this ram at any setting. Work continues.

[aCidbAbY]

great work guys:up:

[esoteradactyl]

ordered this (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1) yesterday and got this today. seems some of the 1gb kits are not UTT :eek:

http://home.comcast.net/~esoteradactyl/twinmos.JPG

[Eversor]

Reading about the news today, i just got the feeling winbond launched 2 diferent chips, we call it UTT, but maybe we do have something like UTT and UTT2, or whatever.

I just got 512MB kingston dimms with winbond markings, and they suck, 2-2-2@3.2v, only at +-202MHz. Much like OCZ VX 3200, what they garanteed anyways. Now, ocz released VX 4000, wich seems alot like the awsome UTTs that have came in some twinmos.

Maybe we're seeing 2 different chips?

[enok]

i think VX 4000 are new (BH-5) UTT chips. while VX 3200 are the first (CH-5) UTT.

[Shaotai]

ordered this (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1) yesterday and got this today. seems some of the 1gb kits are not UTT :eek:

http://home.comcast.net/~esoteradactyl/twinmos.JPG


So what are the results of this mem??? post them please!!

[stevehat1]

So what are the results of this mem??? post them please!!
How about a beeping no post!!
Got my stcks today will be in the mail back to the 'egg tomorrow.
2-2-2-10 @ 200fsb=no post :mad: :mad: :mad:
posted @166 :rolleyes:

[xxORBxx]

How about a beeping no post!!
Got my stcks today will be in the mail back to the 'egg tomorrow.
2-2-2-10 @ 200fsb=no post :mad: :mad: :mad:
posted @166 :rolleyes:
Sorry to hear that steve. Are yours UTT?

[Chr0n1c]

Yea steve what are they? 44D/50D/6D? let us know on aim, sorry to hear you got a duff set, them seperately. I assume your giving them high volts. ;)

EDIT: thx for the info on the IC's uwackme :cool:

[Shroomalistic]

hey steve, long time no see. give us some input on your ram.

[xxORBxx]

hey steve, long time no see. give us some input on your ram.
No post at 200 5-2-2-2.
Posts at 166 5-2-2-2.

Just told me on AIM.

[Chr0n1c]

Appearently he has "6D" chips like ORB. We all saw your review on XS and we jumped on it, apprearently not soon enough.

I got a kit that does 265 with one stick and only 220 with another. :stick:

[esoteradactyl]

No post at 200 5-2-2-2.
Posts at 166 5-2-2-2.

Just told me on AIM.


same here also :mad:

[Shroomalistic]

No post at 200 5-2-2-2.
Posts at 166 5-2-2-2.

Just told me on AIM.

What voltage? A lot of ch-5 is rated to 166 @ 2,2,2,5 and 200 @ 2,3,2,6

[Chr0n1c]

From what I understand in excess of 3.4V, I talked ot steve on aim as well. I may have misunderstood him tho. He's really unhappy with the ram thus far.

I myself am on My 4th 1gig kit of ram in the past 2 months. :p:

[stevehat1]

hey steve, long time no see. give us some input on your ram.
Long time my friend.....and Congrats!
Put the stuff in started the comp and got the beeping :rolleyes:
Nothing aggressive...as this is a folding machine too
# from chip TMP7608F8E501/or I (eyes aren't what they used to be lol)
Back to the 'egg tomorrow, like Chr0n1C been trying ram and all is bad :mad:

[JAWS]

I don't know if it matters, but what newegg warehouse did it ship from?

[Chr0n1c]

I don't know if it matters, but what newegg warehouse did it ship from?

Mine came from NJ, as did orbs, idk about steve.

[stevehat1]

I don't know if it matters, but what newegg warehouse did it ship from?
Mine came from Calif.

[sapphire]

These twinmoss stick are realy F*cked up :(
Me and some friends orders 5 pair of 2x512 Twinmos SP with Winbond UTT chips on them and 4 of the 5 pairs where DOA.
Lets hope the new stick are much better :)

[xxORBxx]

These twinmoss stick are realy F*cked up :(
Me and some friends orders 5 pair of 2x512 Twinmos SP with Winbond UTT chips on them and 4 of the 5 pairs where DOA.
Lets hope the new stick are much better :)
how are the working sticks doing?

[uwackme]

Be warned on these UTT chips, they are mighty picky about timings and voltages. If you dont get in the ball park, they may error out on otherwise perfectly fine sticks.

I would say 3.2V is the MINIMUM I'd be using to evaluated whether a stick was good or not. If it runs at lower V, great but if it doesnt it may still be a good stick in need of JUICE.

5 sets?.... so YOU are the guys keeping me from buying any SP! :toast:

[sapphire]

@ xxORBxx: on a Abit NF7-S around 230 2-3-2-11 @3,1v i thought.

@Unwackme: my stick wouldn't even run 200mhz 2,5-3-3-8 @ 3,3v ;)

[Klisp]

Update: Stick 1 that i ordered just died (stick 2 works still). Reason is because i forgot to put my active cooling on the sticks when i was folding (FAH). So just a word to the wise: Cool these suxers down at all times.

[reject]

http://www.twinmos.com.sg/ebuy/prodView.asp?idproduct=91
i can get this ram only from here AFAIK
only 230$, has anyone got from there? reckon its a good chance of being good chips?
being SP it will be 44D am i right? so just gotta email them asking about AA4T

[Shroomalistic]

thats a mighty steep price, I would a pay a little extra and just get the vx

[tictac]

http://www.twinmos.com.sg/ebuy/prodView.asp?idproduct=91
i can get this ram only from here AFAIK
only 230$, has anyone got from there? reckon its a good chance of being good chips?
being SP it will be 44D am i right? so just gotta email them asking about AA4T

yeah better get some VX from your country ;)

[Rancidelephant]

Hi all,

My twinmos has just arrived. Its AADT, 0504D, TTD7608F8E50D.

Its not AA4T but is it still any good ? I cant test as i wasnt paying quite as much attention as i should have and ordered a s754 not a s939 cpu :P

[reject]

thats a mighty steep price, I would a pay a little extra and just get the vx
actually its $170 cheaper than VX, i quote aust$ not us$
no point in using us$, i am aussie, and also, u will be shocked at the shipping charges ;)

[enok]

Rancidelephant , they aren't the good stuff, sorry.

[Revv23]

@ xxORBxx: on a Abit NF7-S around 230 2-3-2-11 @3,1v i thought.

@Unwackme: my stick wouldn't even run 200mhz 2,5-3-3-8 @ 3,3v ;)

3.3v is to much for 2.5-3-3-8, did you try running it at stock settings?

anyone else remember BH-5 erroring out at 200mhz 2-2-2 at 3.1, but not at 2.8... you need the right combo of volts and timings... not just tons of volts for every speed.

[Rancidelephant]

Rancidelephant , they aren't the good stuff, sorry.

didnt think so. i bought them to put in my uncles new pc but thought i could ave em if they were good and get some more :p:

[RacerX]

Haven't posted in awhile but has anyone seen these......TwinMos (http://www.memoryx.net/256d8d32832tm.html)

Sticker reads 1A4T.

[God_Lx]

Hey Rancidelephant i got some of these too (way before any of this new winbound was found) and they really don't like more Mhz, but they do like timmings :) Mine do 2-3-2-5 @ DDR400 with 2.75 Vdimm in a VIA KT880 (Socket A, not 754)...

[TEDY]

no way already TWINMOS BH-5 UTT ??

[Rabbi_NZ]

Haven't posted in awhile but has anyone seen these......TwinMos (http://www.memoryx.net/256d8d32832tm.html)

Sticker reads 1A4T.
The date also says 0249, it must be an old pic

[Chr0n1c]

yea and it says 50B? or is it 508? :stick:

[Rabbi_NZ]

yea and it says 50B? or is it 508? :stick:
it says B

[Chr0n1c]

kk thx.

[Bluebeard]

1A4T is BH-5 ;)

but as long as BH-5 gets a lot hotter in high voltage regions i could think of the VX4000 to be selectd CH-5

CADT is 0,11um Powerchip