Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[enok]

wow tictac! nice score! :p: nice bios btw... :(

[scifikg]

so how well are the odds of getting aa4t 512mb sticks at newegg now.(once they get back in stock)

I think your odds are good. I ordered 4 sticks 512 sp on the 21st. All 4 were AA4T. I got them yesterday. They were shipped from the New Jersey warehouse. I did some testing and all 4 will do 243 2-2-2-5 1T 3.3V stable. Any pairing of the sticks in dual channel yields the same results. :confused: I can't figure out what is holding me back. There is no way all these stick perform the same and get same result for dual and single channel.

AMD 64 winchester 3500
Zalman 7000Cu heatsink
Gigabyte K8NS ultra
OCZ DDR booster
Antec 550 power supply
MSI X800pro

[Reefa_Madness]

ABIT NF7 Rev2.0 : D26 Mantarays XT
2 x 256MB TwinMOS Speed Premium Winbond 44D
Vdimm = V io mod @ 3.34v
2-2-2-5
265MHz

:toast: :toast: :toast:

Are your two sticks from a dual-pack or 2 single sticks?

[pik-ard v1.1]

hmm, i am satisfied that all sticks now are AA4T. i havnt heard of anyone getting an AADT stick in a few weeks...

mine were shipped from city of industry, CA.

[tictac]

that's not possible tictac...only 3.3 for 265 no way

i'll file a complain at your president (woman) :P

2T timing.... :hehe:

[fareastgq]

IF you can get the sticks, newegg seems broken, I suspect we won't get anything for a long while unfortuately. ETA was 26th, all the sudden there was no ETA, and now it's still out of stock, guess we better find some other place to buy them, anyone know of any? google didn't help at all :rolleyes:

[largon]

2 x 512MB TM SP:
250 2-2-2-11 1T DC (http://img165.exs.cx/img165/9325/250222112ye.png)
VDimm 3.3V
VDD 1.8V

Now stable in Windows.

Edit: Sandra 04 Bandwidth (http://img194.exs.cx/img194/2706/250222111tbw2le.png)

[Reefa_Madness]

IF you can get the sticks, newegg seems broken, I suspect we won't get anything for a long while unfortuately. ETA was 26th, all the sudden there was no ETA, and now it's still out of stock, guess we better find some other place to buy them, anyone know of any? google didn't help at all :rolleyes:

This place has been carrying them also, but like newegg, has had trouble keeping them in stock. The last stock they shipped, according to guys posting, was AA4Ts. They are currently out of the 512MB sticks, but I did not check to see if they have any 256s.

http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=manufactory&item=20-218-405

[Shroomalistic]

i thought that place was newegg just with a different name. Price and availability are the same on everything.

[pik-ard v1.1]

dont think so... price of the TMPS is $.50 over that of what it is at newegg... but it does kinda look like newegg with a different skin... :stick:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23456

[mcbarnet007]

I killed my best stick with only 3.35V. I left it at 265 mhz 2-2-2-10 burning in when I went out to dinner (no errors in 20 run) when I got back I got 1 million plus errors. All from the same range, so I guess I killed one of the chip. Since this is UTT, they're untested, so some chip might be weaker than others. Becareful when you burning in

btw, I own 12 sticks. I don't see any improvement of burning in on these memories.

[Jack]

damn, i've heard from several people now that a burn-in will f*ck up your sticks :(
not good news people

[Garrett]

I killed my best stick with only 3.35V. I left it at 265 mhz 2-2-2-10 burning in when I went out to dinner (no errors in 20 run) when I got back I got 1 million plus errors. All from the same range, so I guess I killed one of the chip. Since this is UTT, they're untested, so some chip might be weaker than others. Becareful when you burning in

btw, I own 12 sticks. I don't see any improvement of burning in on these memories.I know exactly how you feel :(
That's why I've finally decided to get GSkill... but that could also take a few months since I have no money for that now ;)

[jumanji969]

I killed my best stick with only 3.35V. I left it at 265 mhz 2-2-2-10 burning in when I went out to dinner (no errors in 20 run) when I got back I got 1 million plus errors. All from the same range, so I guess I killed one of the chip. Since this is UTT, they're untested, so some chip might be weaker than others. Becareful when you burning in

btw, I own 12 sticks. I don't see any improvement of burning in on these memories.

This may sound stupid but did you make sure to run active cooling over them? Any chips you start running 3.3v+ into better have a lil cooling on them.

[tictac]

:lol:

i did quick review for TwinMOS PC3200 256MB AADT(PSC Chip)

you guys can read it here :hehe:

http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/review1.html

[largon]

I had 92mm Zalman on the sticks while testing. Even at 3.3V they were HOT when testing without the fan.

[Reefa_Madness]

i thought that place was newegg just with a different name. Price and availability are the same on everything.

I've never gone to that site until one of the guys found it as an alternative source of the TMSP. I did notice a small difference in price, plus about $2 more for shipping.

I have no idea whether they are related or not, although it could very well be. Have you ever looked for something at a Global, TigerDirect and there is one more place that ALL have the same parts numbers and descriptions, etc.? I guess they are just trying to cover all the bases and make their prices look "competitive" or something. Doesn't really make sense to me unless you use one site to push out old obsolete or excess stock.

[$ilver]

iam testing module #1 ... atm 250 11-2-2-2 @ 3,34 .. SC @ 2t
more than 233 @ 1t isnt possible

[TEDY]

eh $ilver ? 2T only ?

[$ilver]

jap .. no idea why .. is still think its the bios ...

edit: .. :hehe: .. i got an idea ...

[seldomsean]

i thought that place was newegg just with a different name. Price and availability are the same on everything.

Yea there set up exactly like the egg but have different price breaks...

I get weekly e-mail from both :D

[althes]

Just got some twinmoss starting to test them.Using 2.6v

[pik-ard v1.1]

althes, no offence, but those timings are horriable for those speeds... try 2-2-2-x, or atleast no 4's in the first 3 timings...

[$ilver]

these timings are crap ... i tested only 2-2-2 .. other things arent interesting for me ...

[jumperfly]

you can't expect 2-2-2 at 2.6V

[pik-ard v1.1]

thats why in this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699) thread, they there isnt even 2.6v listed. ;)

[althes]

We all cant get wonder chips.

[$ilver]

We all cant get wonder chips.
sure we can ;)

[mcbarnet007]

This may sound stupid but did you make sure to run active cooling over them? Any chips you start running 3.3v+ into better have a lil cooling on them.

yes a 92mm fan blowing cold air over it. All my other 11 sticks survived the burn in =)

they don't even run that hot with fan on top of it. EB on the other hand burns my finger even with fan.

[Daytime Dreamer]

hmmmm ... lots of dead sticks I see ... my sticks havent got any problems running 2-2-2-11 3.0volts 220 FSB 1T 24/7 almost 2 weeks now ... in 2 different nf2 machines (NF7-S and Chaintech nf2 board)

I dont think I'll raise the voltage any more trying to achieve a higher FSB ...
better to have some "mediocre" sticks than no sticks :rolleyes:

No cooling on them whatsoever ... only case cooling

Tony how are your sticks doing? Are you running them 24/7 at that setting?

[$ilver]

iam running 3,35v @ 24/7 .. without any probs .. 2weeks ... without fan @ closed case ...

[LittleDevil]

Twinmos 3,2v

http://freeweb.siol.net/akersman/rami.JPG

[Garrett]

Not bad... I prefer 512mb sticks though ;)

[TEDY]

littledevil dej ne laž....da samo 3.2v

who let litledevil here ?

:D

in napiši info v signature

write your system in sig!!! :stick:

[TiTON]

I just checked both NewEgg and ChiefValue, and they are out of stock of the Twinmos SP (both sizes).

NewEgg ususally has an ETA of when they are going to be in stock, but not for these items.

Is there anywhere else to get the TwinMos SP in the US?

SAD

[Bennah]

The SP 512MB sticks are back in at the egg!!!

meh, I cant get any, spent up...

You think they will be in stock tomorrow :D

[CTKP]

Thanks for the heads up Ben, got two sticks coming :toast:

[Caldy]

gone again already!!! arghh!!!!

[fareastgq]

Oh yeah.... I got some comin! actually, I think I ordered the last 2 sticks.......cause I checked again right after and they were out. I'll keep ya guys posted :) too bad I don't have like a 1000 bucks to get 10 sticks or somthing and test them out, that would be rediculous though to spend that much money on ram, heh, wish me luck! :(

[cardnut99668]

I'm really annoyed. I missed them by less than an hour. :(

[Bennah]

Thanks for the heads up Ben, got two sticks coming :toast:

I got an email saying they were back in stock... I thought I would share the word ;)

Jeff where was you man, you could of ordered me some but you wasnt online :D :p: Oh well, I think Ive got enough memory for now... :D

[setyotomo]

:banana4: :banana4: :banana4:

got my new twinmos 256x2 ready to test :

rig :
DFI LPUT NF4 Ultra -D
Twinmos 256x2 Speed Premium UTT 4484

warm up test : Out of the box :D

http://img191.exs.cx/img191/7849/250x10warmupresize2im.th.jpg (http://img191.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img191&image=250x10warmupresize2im.jpg)

[TEDY]

damn you all getting 250 easily :(

[cantankerous]

Tedy, I hear ya. At least you are getting 2-3mhz higher than I am.

[F|apDro|`]

Just got my sticks ... 2x512 (44D - AA4T)

Now running 245 /2-2-2-5 @ ~3.2-3.3V

[situman]

I guess Intel is a no go on these sticks. I don't recall anyone having any luck on the 875 platform. At least I don't have any luck wit it on my Intel rig.

[TiTON]

The SP 512MB sticks are back in at the egg!!!

meh, I cant get any, spent up...

You think they will be in stock tomorrow :D

Yup.. they got in stock yesterday. I didn't jump on it immediately.. I waited a couple of hours, since i figure they sitll have it.

I went to put 2 in my cart, and pay for it. It told me Insufficient amount, only 1 stick available. I was very erked!!

Oh well.. need to jump on those autonotify messages from new egg a bit quicker next time. Congrats on those that actually got to order them.

SAD

EDIT:

Stiuman - I'm going to put this on an LGA 865PE. How did the mem perform for you on an 875? I know these are optimal for AMD, so wanted to hear how fellow Intel-er's are doing.

[DaGoof]

I got another 256 stick a few days ago, it was labeled as speed premium, although it lacked the sticker on the ram itself - It had correct chips and whatnot. So I put it in, and it matches my first stick exactly - both top out at about 268 - I ran both together at 265 for the night, playing a variety of games, and testing them intermittently. Not a single problem. They were ordered about 2 weeks apart, don't even look like each other, and they are better matched than all the "matched pairs" I've bought. Coincidence or not, I dunno. Cool nonetheless.

[mkleingeld]

I guess Intel is a no go on these sticks. I don't recall anyone having any luck on the 875 platform. At least I don't have any luck wit it on my Intel rig.

Not true. I have 2 x 512MB speed premium since a week and they are running at 250mhz 2.2.2.5 turbo - normal - disabled - disabled - 4 on my IC7 MAXIII. The vdimm comes straight from the 3.3v line which is at 3.35v. There is no VTT mod on my mobo so it's badly out of spec at about 1.4v. The vdimm does fluctuate down to as low as ~3.23v at times. So it performs just as well as on the AMD platforms I think.
If I bump up the voltage there is more in it but there is no point as this proc is non stable at those speeds any more. It's degraded quite a bit since the first couple of months I had it.

[situman]

i have it on an AI7 right now, and it doesnt do more than 200fsb 2228 timings at max vdimm. At least i know the mem isnt defective. So waiting on my modded IC7-g to come back.

[situman]

i did hear that the AI7 is picky so hoping it will do a lot better on teh IC7 once i get it back.

[setyotomo]

just wondering... for u guys who bought a "pair" matched SP ... do you got a random SN or is it in order .. eg SN : 45 & 46 .. coz a few weeks ago a have about 20 pair of them .. and about 10 pair the SN's are not in order... lol ..

and the funny thing is... out of those 20 pairs... i found like 3 pair that are "seperated" and can perfectly matched again by switching them into the right box ...

= sorry 4 the english =

[Bennah]

I guess Intel is a no go on these sticks. I don't recall anyone having any luck on the 875 platform. At least I don't have any luck wit it on my Intel rig.

what 2 of my 256mb AA4T 44D sticks did on my AS8 @ 3.1v stable through sandra mem benchmark. Stock board.

They are ready to go into a MSI Neo4 SLI Platinum :D

[godsa]

Spent 5 hours reading this thread if not more..people saying they were going to buy http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0
But I have yet to see a review of them yet...wat was the outcome?

I ordered them today...so I'll post my results when i get them..
If they are not aa4t..ill send them back and get the other stuff

[$ilver]

hmm .. very crazy ...

[kristos]

@ kritos , the usual TwinMOS DC kit has KO pcb. TwinMOS SP has both KO and BP pcb, but there is no advantage from BP OC wise, from what it's known.allright, thx :up:

[Jessfm]

what 2 of my 256mb AA4T 44D sticks did on my AS8 @ 3.1v stable through sandra mem benchmark. Stock board.

They are ready to go into a MSI Neo4 SLI Platinum :D

Thats nice :)

Where did you get them, tekheads ?

[St!nG]

hi
i'm new here , i'm from holland and i'm dyslectic!

i have bought a dual kit twinmos sp 1gb with AA4T- 44D
my dfi lanparty is dead , so now i'm @ my kt600 :(
i only can booth @ 2-3-2-6 and not 2-2-2-6
now i'm burning the chips in @ 2.85 @ 2 3 2 6 @ 220fsb @ kt600!

[Bluebeard]

for 2-2-2-6 you´ll need more voltage!

[pik-ard v1.1]

thats not that bad for such little voltage, actually. ;)

[Negative Design]

How did ur mobo die sting?

[godsa]

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694838&postcount=1816

Lol..you see that post? Well I just got it in..I am so excited I can't see what I got..Have to bring it outside for more light..Lol

**** UPDATE*****
I have the same exact lower numbers as this pic
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21890

Now I need to find out if my upper numbers are any good

and it has the two dots also

[Garrett]

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694838&postcount=1816

Lol..you see that post? Well I just got it in..I am so excited I can't see what I got..Have to bring it outside for more light..Lol

**** UPDATE*****
I have the same exact lower numbers as this pic
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21890

Now I need to find out if my upper numbers are any goodI've had the 50D too... I wouldn't expect too much of it... 225 or so :(

[enok]

I've had the 50D too... I wouldn't expect too much of it... 225 or so :(

why? :stick:

[godsa]

The stickers are covered that sucks..ay yours has the two dots? all of them have the two dots I think.

Crap..I might have to open them..what week are your chips?

Sorry man I don't know any other language besides english..Lol

By the way is that spam?

[sevenka]

// edited for promoting other site.

[Rabbi_NZ]

**********[/url]
you shouldnt be advertising other forums in here sevenka


// removed link.

[TEDY]

geeze this sevenka is anonying...whos is he ?

[godsa]

Listen everyone !! Roflmao Omfg I think these are them

Remember this...
Quote:
Originally Posted by godsa
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694838&postcount=1816

Lol..you see that post? Well I just got it in..I am so excited I can't see what I got..Have to bring it outside for more light..Lol

**** UPDATE*****
I have the same exact lower numbers as this pic
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21890

Now I need to find out if my upper numbers are any good
************* Update*** THEY ARE AA4T..So I guess I have hit the jack pot..they have the left dimple lower corner..they have the two circles..they have a the AA4T....and the 50D..

Only thing is I need to test them!!

I JUST Fixed the links now..but thanks ..I was rushing and messed up
and ty..hope these babies can fly I need 260 min ;)
I was also trying to consolidate my findings..its so hard to find stuff in this thread.

[pik-ard v1.1]

godsa, not getting on your case... but how did you create those links?

click them...

and congrats on getting the AA4T. and you got the TMII, not the TMSP?

[godsa]

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0

and you got the TMII, not the TMSP?


Yes the TMII ..I have a very old cam let me c if i can get it too work..so u guys can c it..that helps to elimate bs and distrust..
Im in California...and these were shipped from La Puente..around 25 min from my house

[Rabbi_NZ]

godsa, not getting on your case... but how did you create those links?

click them...

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694838&postcount=1816
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=696677#post696677

I jus saw that too... will have to start using that myself

[Jupiler]

sevenka :

check PM.

[pik-ard v1.1]

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=694838&postcount=1816
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=696677#post696677

I jus saw that too... will have to start using that myself
nonono...

before the edit, it linked to:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/sho...&postcount=1816

which is ofcourse, not gonna work.

i just wanna know how he came to have it link to that... i just copy and paste, and let the board automatically add the [ url ] tags... anything more is a waste of time, and obviously doesnt work 100% of the time. :rolleyes:

and godsa, i was just confirming that the TMII were also AA4T, i didnt thing you were talkin BS.

[godsa]

I know but its always good to have confirmation..i dont believe everyone that post..not saying you did or didn't ..I just want to contribute to the thread.

Ok the cam is up..now I will figure out how to take a pic if the software allows..
Give me 10 min?

I will post them here as well..
The url? I GET it from the address bar control x then control v to paste..the message boards normally do the rest themselves..

Ill b bac
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/godsa/actualsize.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/godsa/pic3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v101/godsa/JPGpicone.jpg

I put up 3 only shows me 2 tho..let me try to get a close up of the chip..which is hard as hell to do..Lol

Well Hope I contributed to the thread..Have a good one
And because of everyone here at xtreme I have hopefully;) some kick ass memory!! Everyone that contributed..Thanks

TMII400= Confirmed men!!

[Arkangyl]

$142 for a gig of UTT? Hello impulse buy :p, hell DDR Booster is only $40 more, $180 total; still less than the Patriot TCCD BP 1gb

[Klisp]

I guess newegg has the utt in stock.. i might have to gamble again.

[pik-ard v1.1]

and the price of the speed premiums on newegg just went DOWN... thats surprising. still out of stock though.

[Rabbi_NZ]

and the price of the speed premiums on newegg just went DOWN... thats surprising. still out of stock though.
to make way for the new DDR450 BH5 maybe :)

[pik-ard v1.1]

to make way for the new DDR450 BH5 maybe :)
yep, that those of us that jumped at this have missed. :rolleyes:

[TEDY]

godsa we have same TWINMOS!!!!

05034

W00T

tell me what you hit max with 3.3 please

[specofdust]

I've read the entire thread froms start to finish, and I think I've got all the different signs:

Two dots on the chips
AA4T(not AADT)
Metal Staple like things at the side of the chips
44,50 or 60D at the end of the third line of code on the chips
A small hole in the bottom left of the chips


Are these things all correct, and are there any other specific things to look out for that are exclusively on ram with UTT chips? Also, are all speed premiums definately winbond UTT, or have some been not so?

[Jack]

I've read the entire thread froms start to finish, and I think I've got all the different signs:

Two dots on the chips
AA4T(not AADT)
Metal Staple like things at the side of the chips
44,50 or 60D at the end of the third line of code on the chips
A small hole in the bottom left of the chips


Are these things all correct, and are there any other specific things to look out for that are exclusively on ram with UTT chips? Also, are all speed premiums definately winbond UTT, or have some been not so?
all the characteristics are correct,
advantage of speed premium sticks is that those usually have 44D chips on them, with which you have a bigger chance to OC further than with 50D or 66D chips.
Both regular TwinMos and speed premium sticks come in two flavours, with winbond utt chips or with PSC chips.
So always ask which chips are on the sticks you're gonna buy :)

[Ulti]

I've decided to sell my 1 GB kit of Speed Premium with a DDR Booster. My CPU can do more than 2500 mhz but my ram won't go over 250 2-2-2-5 at 3.5V. I guess I'll keep with my TCCD than.

[specofdust]

Is there a thread somewhere explaining TCCD ram, I've just got back into ram and am utterly lost :(

[godsa]

Tedy Wrote:[quote]godsa we have same TWINMOS!!!!
05034

W00T
tell me what you hit max with 3.3 please
[quote]

I will but for now Im out of commision..My an7 board was sold...and my Dfi is on its way from New egg but as soon as I get it..I need to send it out for mods..

So not for a week or more..

Tedy..U got 245..or is it higher now?

[Reefa_Madness]

Here are a couple of links to short articles that might be of interest to those following the Winbond UTT story. It might also shed some light into the recent drop in listed price for the TwinMOS, as well as many of the other value rams currently available.

http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2005/2/3&pages=A4&seq=12

http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050201B2058.html

http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050131A4011.html

[TEDY]

godsa nope 245 2-2-2-11 DC 3.3 ....10 errors in 7 hours #5.

[gundamit]

http://www.digitimes.com/email/a20050131A4011.html
Winbond selling unlabelled DRAM chips in the spot market
Not sure how to interpret this story. Is there a problem with the chips being sold on the spot market? Is there a problem with the .11 process outside of the yields? Winbond spokesperson uses the word "if" and the phrase "most likely" when denying the rumor they were allegedy selling .11 process chips rejected by Infineon. Hopefully all is well and real story is Infineon rejected the chips due to a soft market and with a wink and a nudge to Winbond, let them sell them on the spot market. ;)

Does anyone have a darker vision of what transpired?

[nightic]

Is there a thread somewhere explaining TCCD ram, I've just got back into ram and am utterly lost :(

Glad you made it this far in to the thread. :toast:

TCCD is now somewhat more of a closed book so there are fewer active and vast "OMG!!1!" threads dedicated to it, although recent sporadic reports of results at high VDIMMs may refresh the issue.

Suffice to say that at this time many of the major names in 'enthusiast' RAM are putting out very similar products, generally employing one of two BrainPower PCB revisions.
In most cases the quality difference is attributed to how stringent the speed-binning process is, although as always Lady Luck plays a major role too.

[specofdust]

Sorry to ask, but what is "speed-binning"?

[TEDY]

speed-binning = burning ram aka finding high fsb chips

[nightic]

Sorry to ask, but what is "speed-binning"?

The selection process whereby chips are filtered in terms of their performance.
i.e. In the case of G.Skill and their 4800/4400 LA/LE/L... sticks.
Same PCBs, same TCCD chips but a variety of performance ratings allocated by the quality/determined performance of the IC used.

[godsa]

TEDY:godsa nope 245 2-2-2-11 DC 3.3 ....10 errors in 7 hours #5.


You think its your chipset right?
3.4 You could probally get 250 easy.. 10 errors in 7 hours is nothing ;)

[wez]

I just got my 2x512Mb sticks of WB UTT (That the shop called them)
They are of the brand V-Data and on the chips it says:
============
V-Data
40503
VDD8608A8A-5B
============
I plugged them in and booted up in the same settings at my 2x256mb BH-5 whitch is 260 10-2-2-2-9-12 1T 3.36v but i couldnt get in to windows, it just reboots when checking the sata raid driver or something (and i dont have any sata drives) so i tried the settings 10-2-2-2-10-15 and then it worked fine :)
A screen shoot of it, totaly stable:
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_260_10-2-2-2_1T_3.36v_nr2.bmp

And here is another one but it isnt 100% stable yet, but iam working on it :)
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_270_10-2-2-2_1T_3.56v.bmp
_________________

[trans am]

vdata as in value adata ram. I had this assumption in the beginning of this thread. I called Adata and they told me they weren't using utt. pretty new dates on those? maybe something has changed since then.

[Reefa_Madness]

Is there a thread somewhere explaining TCCD ram, I've just got back into ram and am utterly lost :(


There is a whole series of articles and review over at AnandTech that cover TCCD, from its first debut in Corsair PC3200 to the latest implementations. The link below is to the first article which introduces Samsung's TCCD chips. You can entertain yourself for hours reading those reviews, plus others spread across the net. The one thing that has always puzzled me is that everyone of the major module makers has at least one product featuring the Samsung TCCD chip. Everyone except Samsung, that is. Has anyone ever seen a Original Samsung TCCD module, outside of the one pictured in the Anandtech review? Perhaps they decided they could make just as much or more money by selling the ICs to others.

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2082&p=3

[Rabbi_NZ]

vdata as in value adata ram...
i dont think vdata and adata are the same company... in most stores that sell both they are under different manufacturer headings

[enok]

@ wez , very nice clocks there! :) how about a 1M superpi?

[Reefa_Madness]

i dont think vdata and adata are the same company... in most stores that sell both they are under different manufacturer headings


Actually, they are the same company. Look under the "Multiple Brand Strategy" caption part way down the linked "article". It names both brands.

http://www.adata.com.tw/en/news/newsroom002.htm


Speaking of value ram and UTT keeps bringing me back to a topic that has surfaced every now and then, but has never really been pursued or resolved, or at least if it was, I missed it. If Winbond is selling UTT, which are either the excess or the cast-off chips that Infineon did not take, then what about the chips Infineon did take? Has anyone run across any of these and tested them to see if they perform like these TM? Logic would dictate that they should. After all, OCZ has used these excess chips in their PC2700 Value Series, Kingston uses them in their KVR PC3200 and both of these ramp up pretty good so if these are the cast-offs, then shouldn't the Infineon "keepers" perform even better, or at least as good, at high voltages?

I just saw some Infineon based PC2700 ram with codes ending in BT-6 (new with 0503 mfg date), but it did not have the Winbond physical attributes (dimples, etc). Would they look different or should they look like the UTT?

Anyone tested the Infineons?

[wez]

@ wez , very nice clocks there! :) how about a 1M superpi?

I only get 37sec in 1M, cus i only got my 3200+ CO clawhammer at 2340Mhz (9x260) it wont go any higher :(
But as soon as i get some extra cash i will get an 3200+ or 3400+ CG. :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

wez,
would you mind posting your complete results in the thread linked to in my sig?

[wez]

wez,
would you mind posting your complete results in the thread linked to in my sig?

Yes ofc, but i havent tested the sticks to the max clock yet, so i think i will wait untill i do that. If it ok. :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

Yes ofc, but i havent tested the sticks to the max clock yet, so i think i will wait untill i do that. If it ok. :)
Great, crank them up! :D

[trans am]

Vdata is Adata's V.alue line. ;) Hence the "V" for Value.

[Rabbi_NZ]

Vdata is Adata's V.alue line. ;) Hence the "V" for Value.
My bad, I stand corrected :)

[trans am]

I just got my 2x512Mb sticks of WB UTT (That the shop called them)
They are of the brand V-Data and on the chips it says:
============
V-Data
40503
VDD8608A8A-5B
============
I plugged them in and booted up in the same settings at my 2x256mb BH-5 whitch is 260 10-2-2-2-9-12 1T 3.36v but i couldnt get in to windows, it just reboots when checking the sata raid driver or something (and i dont have any sata drives) so i tried the settings 10-2-2-2-10-15 and then it worked fine :)
A screen shoot of it, totaly stable:
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_260_10-2-2-2_1T_3.36v_nr2.bmp

And here is another one but it isnt 100% stable yet, but iam working on it :)
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_270_10-2-2-2_1T_3.56v.bmp
_________________



wez, do you have an image of the ram? or a link to the store you bought them at?

I called Adata again in California, and they said there were no dimples. He even went to the warehouse to check personally. He said it could possibly be that you got these in Europe. Lets see some linky action along with a picture of the entire ram stick.

[TEDY]

trans : i find you very impressive person....

you call almost every manufacter like you're friend with everyone :)

[seldomsean]

wez, do you have an image of the ram? or a link to the store you bought them at?

I called Adata again in California, and they said there were no dimples. He even went to the warehouse to check personally. He said it could possibly be that you got these in Europe. Lets see some linky action along with a picture of the entire ram stick.


Here's what i found....No dimples


EDIT: Also same chip here in Adata...

Looks like Mosel/Vitalic -5B chips ....

[trans am]

trans : i find you very impressive person....

you call almost every manufacter like you're friend with everyone :)

LOL, you'd be surprised how nice people are. If you treat them with respect and sound friendly, they will usually be the same back.


Here's what i found....No dimples


EDIT: Also same chip here in Adata...

Looks like Mosel/Vitalic -5B chips ....

WTF? no dimples and they were rocking 270 2-2-2? Is this the same crap? Does anyone know where vdata can be found in the US?
wez, do yours have dimples? Or do they look like the ones seldomsean posted? ?

[nightic]

Just to report (in case anyone was wondering/unsure), the last batch of TwinMOS Speed Premium 512MB sticks that were in stock at newegg earlier this week have arrived and are confirmed AA4T, TMD......44D.

[undeadlord]

do u mean this one? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0 (so as long as they're back in stock, it would be kinda safe to buy those right?)
I've read this thread from the beginning since yesterday. Very impressive finding. I am building my new comp. And plan to shell out like 220 for the Corsair 3200xl. But this thread has changed everything. Really appreciate your efforts to find out the truth of this Winbond UTT thing. :-)

[nightic]

do u mean this one? http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0 (so as long as they're back in stock, it would be kinda safe to buy those right?)


That's the stuff.
Only trick is to jump in there quickly enough once they're back in stock.
They were all gone within 10 minutes of receiving the stock alert email last time around.
Luckily I managed to bag a few. :banana:

[undeadlord]

Congrat, so from now on, i think i have to check my email every single minute, :-)

[pik-ard v1.1]

Congrat, so from now on, i think i have to check my email every single minute, :-)
yahoo mail + (yahoo messanger OR trillian [maybe gaim too, but i dunno, dont use it]) = instant notification of mail. and not the "bulk mail", so... i dont get notified of spam, just the stuff i've signed up for, or i actuall want. :D

i saw the thing popup in the lower right (like any messenging service notification) "blah blah blah from xxxxxxxx@newegg.com" and then: :cool:

[nightic]

Congrat, so from now on, i think i have to check my email every single minute, :-)

Naaaaah........................every 3 minutes should be fine. ;)

[nightic]

Back in stock right now - Get em while they're hot.

[undeadlord]

damn, why???? It's gone man. Damn it

[trans am]

fvck! already gone lol!

[nightic]

OK, good news - as I have more than enough of them, I'm just about to cancel an order for 10 sticks that I haven't yet sent payment for.
They'll show up as in stock within 1 minute of me cancelling.

trans am & undeadlord - quickly reply to let me know you've seen this and I'll go ahead and cancel.
Be ready to order though, refreshing the relevant product page.

[nightic]

Order cancelled - hopefully trans am got in on it but seems undeadlord was offline.

Edit: All gone again.

[trans am]

Got em! thanks nightic! They are actually for my friend, I have too much ram at the moment lol. But he doesn't get paid till tomorrow, so I ordered them and he's going to pay me back. what are friends for! :toast:

He wanted me to thank you personally.

[pik-ard v1.1]

oh, for klisp?

hope he enjoys them.

[nightic]

Got em! thanks nightic! They are actually for my friend, I have too much ram at the moment lol. But he doesn't get paid till tomorrow, so I ordered them and he's going to pay me back. what are friends for! :toast:

He wanted me to thank you personally.

lol - that's ok, you've now both unwittingly become my official US-to-UK shipping brokers by means of returning a favour.

It was all just a covert ploy aimed at engaging US citizens in helping ship low-cost hardware and, occasionally Velveeta to me in London. :p:

[trans am]

I owe you one! What ever you want, PM me. Why did you cancel all those sticks anyway?

[pik-ard v1.1]

"as I have more than enough of them"

thats what he said a few posts up. ;)

[nightic]

I owe you one! What ever you want, PM me. Why did you cancel all those sticks anyway?

Already ordered a crud-lot from when they were last in stock via a friend's account.
Knowing that they're unavailable in the UK, it doesn't hurt to bring in a few extra (;))but thinking twice about it, it might now be too much of an imposition on the person who kindly agreed to ship the first load to me.

[trans am]

I wonder how much is more than enough? lol

[enok]

no wonder newegg's stock is allways low... nightic is buying them all! :banana4:

[nightic]

no wonder newegg's stock is allways low... nightic is buying them all! :banana4:

Just call me 'Memory-Baron'. :D

Eva2000's still the Godfather though. :eek:

[godsa]

I got lucky myself..had to place 2 seperate orders for one stick..Lol
Then managed to get 2 in one complete order..

4 total...but I only need 2 !!!! :toast: :banana: :banana4:

Speed is the way to go ;)

[undeadlord]

damn me, I was in my class at that time :brick:. Does anyone have two spare sticks? I guess not, since it's so pop. brick again :brick:. Godsa, can u sell me those two extra one? Plzzzzzzzzzzzz:up:

[Rabbi_NZ]

trans am, do you get many enquiries from strangers bout the sticker on your van?

[trans am]

trans am, do you get many enquiries from strangers bout the sticker on your van?

lol, that's the official xs tour van! Watch for it in 10 major US cities on the xs 2005 Overclocking tour! I will be giving plenty of tips on ram and handing out bumper stickers to the kids. There will be motherboard giveaways and a few videocards. Bring mom and dad and we'll have a great time! The van is also broadband capable, so I will be transmitting live video feed to the xs network! I'll post the tour dates soon!

[Klisp]

Will you be comming to NJ ? :banana:

[pik-ard v1.1]

Will you be comming to NJ ? :banana:
only to stop for gas! :banana:

[trans am]

I am going to stop at Klisp's house in Jersey to pick up my money he owes me for the Speed Premium on the way to Philadelphia, PA.

[undeadlord]

I wish I owes you money for the Speed Premium instead :-)

[Klisp]

I know.. i got to give you the money.

[cardnut99668]

Argh, missed it again. If anyone is setting on too many of these pm me and we can work someting out.

[hipro5]

Here is what a friend brought me to test.......

They are 2 x 512 Twinmos UTT with a "4514" and ending -05D......They are the exact same modules - like twins - .....

Both tested on an ABIT AS8 with the 865 chipset and at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2 with Memtest-86 and where errorfree at the frequencies below.....

One does :
3.2V = 239MHz
3.3V = 259MHz
3.35 = 261MHz
3.5V = 264MHz
3.6V = 268MHz

The other does :
3.2V = 217MHz
3.3V = 239MHz
3.35V = 252MHz
3.5V = 255MHz
3.6V = 257MHz

As you can see they BOTH gained about 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V......BIG gain.........But they gained a few from 3.3V to 3.6V......
Puting them in Dual channel I got with 3.6V = 255MHz errorfree ......The "worst's" frequency minus 2MHz.......
Notice also the second one....It gained 22MHz form 3.2V to 3.3V and another 13MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.......The better one gained 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V and ONLY 2MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.....

Overal performance was good and both modules run COLD at 3.6Vdimm..... ;)

[enok]

well... that opens a good prespective for my future rig (DFi has 4v vdimm right? :D my AN7 max out at 3.2v), cause my chips are also 04514 :).

nice testing Hipro5! ;)

EDIT:

btw, pcb rev?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Here is what a friend brought me to test.......

They are 2 x 512 Twinmos UTT with a "4514" and ending -05D......They are the exact same modules - like twins - .....

Both tested on an ABIT AS8 with the 865 chipset and at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2 with Memtest-86 and where errorfree at the frequencies below.....

One does :
3.2V = 239MHz
3.3V = 259MHz
3.35 = 261MHz
3.5V = 264MHz
3.6V = 268MHz

The other does :
3.2V = 217MHz
3.3V = 239MHz
3.35V = 252MHz
3.5V = 255MHz
3.6V = 257MHz

As you can see they BOTH gained about 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V......BIG gain.........But they gained a few from 3.3V to 3.6V......
Puting them in Dual channel I got with 3.6V = 255MHz errorfree ......The "worst's" frequency minus 2MHz.......
Notice also the second one....It gained 22MHz form 3.2V to 3.3V and another 13MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.......The better one gained 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V and ONLY 2MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.....

Overal performance was good and both modules run COLD at 3.6Vdimm..... ;)
Hipro, I will add these results to the Voltage Scaling thread linked to in my sig...
One thing you have noticed with your testing, that has become quite evident to me also, is that the "good" modules will go significantly higher with "lower" vDimm... but they will usually scale less up high. Whereas the "poorer" modules tend to do very little with low volts, but they gain significantly more when volts are applied... so at 3.5v-3.6v most modules are very similar in performance... the real difference is seen at lower volts.

[BeSaiD]

Take a look to this thread:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=51497&highlight=Vdata

Vdata has wb ic's and also with dimples :D

They are around 130€ in spain, but it's not easy to know if they are or not buying via inet (no one sells vdata where i live, and i'm on an island... :()

[situman]

well sources close to me says you will have specially delivered Twinmoss modules delivered to you by Feb 20! :)

[wez]

LOL, you'd be surprised how nice people are. If you treat them with respect and sound friendly, they will usually be the same back.


WTF? no dimples and they were rocking 270 2-2-2? Is this the same crap? Does anyone know where vdata can be found in the US?
wez, do yours have dimples? Or do they look like the ones seldomsean posted? ?


Yes, my v-data have dimples, 2 big ones and one small, they are sold at www.jimmspc-store.fi its a finish store.
In the beginning i ordered 2x512Mb Twinmos Speedpremium but they where out of stock, so they asked me if i wanted 2x512Mb v-data that they have tested in 250 5-2-2-2 3.3v instead :)
I will try get an camera so i can take some pics of the ram.

Btw. what PCB have this serial nr? D68001H

[esdee]

Here is what a friend brought me to test.......

They are 2 x 512 Twinmos UTT with a "4514" and ending -05D......They are the exact same modules - like twins - .....

Both tested on an ABIT AS8 with the 865 chipset and at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2 with Memtest-86 and where errorfree at the frequencies below.....

One does :
3.2V = 239MHz
3.3V = 259MHz
3.35 = 261MHz
3.5V = 264MHz
3.6V = 268MHz

The other does :
3.2V = 217MHz
3.3V = 239MHz
3.35V = 252MHz
3.5V = 255MHz
3.6V = 257MHz

As you can see they BOTH gained about 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V......BIG gain.........But they gained a few from 3.3V to 3.6V......
Puting them in Dual channel I got with 3.6V = 255MHz errorfree ......The "worst's" frequency minus 2MHz.......
Notice also the second one....It gained 22MHz form 3.2V to 3.3V and another 13MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.......The better one gained 20MHz from 3.2V to 3.3V and ONLY 2MHz from 3.3V to 3.35V.....

Overal performance was good and both modules run COLD at 3.6Vdimm..... ;)


are these vagouridis DIMMs hipro5?

[wez]

Heh, is it just me, or is it strange that these pic's came up when i searched on google whit "D68001H" (my PCB serial) :D

http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3200/Winbond%20Chips/W942508BH-5/pcb%20d68001h/04.jpg
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3200/Winbond%20Chips/W942508BH-5/pcb%20d68001h/01.jpg
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3200/Winbond%20Chips/W942508BH-5/pcb%20d68001h/02.jpg
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/A-Data/PC3200/Winbond%20Chips/W942508BH-5/pcb%20d68001h/03.jpg

Edit: http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/
Realy nice site :)

Edit2: You guys see what i see? :)
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/V-Data/PC3200/VDD8608A8A-5B/4.jpg

[enok]

Btw. what PCB have this serial nr? D68001H

none that i know of... maybe an A-Data pcb?

looks nice either way, very similar with BP.

[godsa]

WEZ Edit2: You guys see what i see?
http://bakkap.free.fr/DDR/V-Data/PC...608A8A-5B/4.jpg

I see it but...where do you buy them?

[fareastgq]

ok guys, hooked up my booster and an msi neo plat board, tested with 2 dimms 512 at 3.2 volts, managed to hit 253 fsb on both sticks at 2 2 2 10, for some reason I feel the board is limiting any more, it didn't read 3.3 and up volts :/ , didn't have time to memtest but I did run a few loops of 3dmark and for those few loops, it ran all the way through. I'll update when I can get a good memtest in. I hate the neo plat board btw. freaking xp-90+ dimms + booster in 4th slot is tight fit,

[trans am]

ok guys, hooked up my booster and an msi neo plat board, tested with 2 dimms 512 at 3.2 volts, managed to hit 253 fsb on both sticks at 2 2 2 10, for some reason I feel the board is limiting any more, it didn't read 3.3 and up volts :/ , didn't have time to memtest but I did run a few loops of 3dmark and for those few loops, it ran all the way through. I'll update when I can get a good memtest in. I hate the neo plat board btw. freaking xp-90+ dimms + booster in 4th slot is tight fit,

story of my life with the neo2 and booster woes. We need some ram that has a booster built right into the PCB. You plug a molex right into the top of the ram stick and bam! I will be demonstarting this new ram with the integrated booster on the 2005 XS tour! Call Ticketmaster before the tickets to this amazing event are sold out!

[LilGator]

gah, I keep missing these :D

[wez]

WEZ
I see it but...where do you buy them?

Like i said before, jimmspc-store.fi ;)

[steve-0]

hi

do you know something about the V-Data? it's said that they have the same chips

http://usuarios.lycos.es/jopemerindo/DSCN2325.JPG

and there are very cheap (1GB = 130€ ~ 170$ )
do you think that the v-data can do something simmilar to the UTT?

regards,

[wez]

hi

do you know something about the V-Data? it's said that they have the same chips

http://usuarios.lycos.es/jopemerindo/DSCN2325.JPG

and there are very cheap (1GB = 130€ ~ 170$ )
do you think that the v-data can do something simmilar to the UTT?

regards,

well, here is my V-data PC3200 (UTT) :)

V-Data
40503
VDD8608A8A-5B

Totaly stable:
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_260_10-2-2-2_1T_3.36v_nr2.bmp

Another one but it isnt 100% stable yet.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_270_10-2-2-2_1T_3.56v.bmp

[bwan]

Hipro5 ~ I have the same board as yours. What is your GAT setting? My TMSP are 2 X 512MB AA4T/44D/0503. I can only managed 2-5-2-2 CPC off/PAT disabled at 255 FSB @ 3.6v but not fully stable/memtest error. Pumping more juice up to 4.0v also doesn't help. Is it my board as my 2 X 256 BH-6 and 2 X 256MB BH-5 (both pair KVR) also stuck at the same FSB. TIA.

[steve-0]

well, here is my V-data PC3200 (UTT) :)

V-Data
40503
VDD8608A8A-5B

Totaly stable:
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_260_10-2-2-2_1T_3.36v_nr2.bmp

Another one but it isnt 100% stable yet.
http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs14&d=05054&f=1Gb_UTT_270_10-2-2-2_1T_3.56v.bmp

wow, i didn't expect that nice results! is that screen at 2601T at 3.36v? :eek:

[wez]

wow, i didn't expect that nice results! is that screen at 2601T at 3.36v? :eek:

Oh yes it is :toast:

[steve-0]

Oh yes it is :toast:

nice... i hope to have simmilar results

regards,

[hipro5]

Hipro5 ~ I have the same board as yours. What is your GAT setting? My TMSP are 2 X 512MB AA4T/44D/0503. I can only managed 2-5-2-2 CPC off/PAT disabled at 255 FSB @ 3.6v but not fully stable/memtest error. Pumping more juice up to 4.0v also doesn't help. Is it my board as my 2 X 256 BH-6 and 2 X 256MB BH-5 (both pair KVR) also stuck at the same FSB. TIA.

Yes it is you board ONLY IF you haven't mod it yet......... ;)

Upping the VAGP at 1.95Volts and Vchip at 1.52Volts I think that you could do about 263 - 268MHz..... ;)

.......and yes......with 2 x 512MB you MUST have PAT = Disable and CPC = Disable as well........Also try : 2 - 5 - 2 - 2 , 32min , 64MB , Auto , Normal , 4 (or 5) and NOT Auto , Enable(or Disable) and Disable.....Make sure to have your AGP/PCI lock at 75/37 or 76/38 and PCI Latency = 64.......

[hipro5]

are these vagouridis DIMMs hipro5?

Yes...... :)

[situman]

anyway to disable pat on IC7?

[undeadlord]

everyone, is this "the one" (BH UTT that is)?
0448d
tmb7608f8e50I

white sticker
sn448w45m41074822
pnm2g9j16a8att9f081cadt
model m2g9j16a-tt

A guy is trying to sell me these TWinmos 2x512MB, wonder if it's the right BH UTT one? Thank you.

Just check back the thread, this is very unlikely to be BH UTT chip. But I'm still waiting for some xpert input. For now let me have some hope (although it might be shattered pretty soon :( .

[roscoe211]

No, the CADT at the end of the p/n should be AA4T

[undeadlord]

thx a lot, guess have to turn this deal down (he's selling it for like $120), too bad.

[tictac]

everyone, is this "the one" (BH UTT that is)?
0448d
tmb7608f8e50I

white sticker
sn448w45m41074822
pnm2g9j16a8att9f081cadt
model m2g9j16a-tt

A guy is trying to sell me these TWinmos 2x512MB, wonder if it's the right BH UTT one? Thank you.

Just check back the thread, this is very unlikely to be BH UTT chip. But I'm still waiting for some xpert input. For now let me have some hope (although it might be shattered pretty soon :( .

PN:m2g9j16a8att9f081cadt

CA = 1,1u
DT = PSC chip

it is not Winbond UTT :slap:

[bwan]

Yes it is you board ONLY IF you haven't mod it yet......... ;)

Upping the VAGP at 1.95Volts and Vchip at 1.52Volts I think that you could do about 263 - 268MHz..... ;)

.......and yes......with 2 x 512MB you MUST have PAT = Disable and CPC = Disable as well........Also try : 2 - 5 - 2 - 2 , 32min , 64MB , Auto , Normal , 4 (or 5) and NOT Auto , Enable(or Disable) and Disable.....Make sure to have your AGP/PCI lock at 75/37 or 76/38 and PCI Latency = 64.......

Thanks. I'll do the mod first and post a result later.

[undeadlord]

PN:m2g9j16a8att9f081cadt

CA = 1,1u
DT = PSC chip

it is not Winbond UTT :slap:

Ouch...

[bwan]

I guess this is why peoples love Hipro5 so much. :toast:
1.56 vchip, 1.95v vagp as suggested by him. 260 FSB but I am not finished yet. The VGA card at stock coremem.

[TEDY]

bwan which memory ? your sig tells BH-6 and thread is about TWINMOS.

[bwan]

bwan which memory ? your sig tells BH-6 and thread is about TWINMOS.

sorry that was my old rig. This is 2 X 512MB TMSP. Same week as yours. 0503/AA4T/44D M.Tec

[cantankerous]

Are you saying putting 1.95 on your agp card helps overclocks? Why is this? And is 1.9 just a bit much? Will it break your card? Does this work on all motherboards? I have a DFI NF2 board and am wondering if raising my agp above 1.6 will net me any results.

[bwan]

Are you saying putting 1.95 on your agp card helps overclocks? Why is this? And is 1.9 just a bit much? Will it break your card? Does this work on all motherboards? I have a DFI NF2 board and am wondering if raising my agp above 1.6 will net me any results.
Raising VAGP nothing to do with a VGA card. You have to vmod your VGPU on your card to help overclocking your VGA. Raising the VAGP basically will add more juice to AGP slot and it's helping to gain more FSB and stabilize it as I have to raise my AGP/PCI as well. Correct me if I'm wrong. Need Hipro5 to verify this.

[TEDY]

bwan you're getting 260 on MTEC ? wow

what vdimm ?

[godsa]

Yeah tedy those sticks are hit and miss one of my sticks did 240..with errors... :stick:


the other flew to 261 ...Lol..it only did 258..but when I did that step up test...it kept geting higher


Bwan ..nice job Btw

[hipro5]

Raising VAGP nothing to do with a VGA card. You have to vmod your VGPU on your card to help overclocking your VGA. Raising the VAGP basically will add more juice to AGP slot and it's helping to gain more FSB and stabilize it as I have to raise my AGP/PCI as well. Correct me if I'm wrong. Need Hipro5 to verify this.

VAGP helps the overclocabillity of a system - as for an Inlel one - I haven't tested it on an AMD system to see how it does.......On EVERY Intel rig out there , uping the VAGP you always gain......Vchip helps a bit though......VAGP IS feeding the Northbridge with more juice and performs a lot better at 1:1 , 5:4 and 3:2.....Uping it at 2Volts though you might "loose" a bit of VGA's Core MHz.....

I also found out that uping the Vio(from the PSU 3.3V line) at about 3.65Volts , helps overclocabillity as well...... ;)

Way to go bwan...... :toast:

[LittleDevil]

3.4v :banana:

http://freeweb.siol.net/akersman/265.JPG

[TEDY]

littledevil memtest stable ? some proof ? :)

[godsa]

Lol..everyone is kicking some arse with these twinmos!!! :banana4:

Show us some super # !! Litledevil...and congratz :toast:

[cantankerous]

Hmmm I have my AGP voltage at 1.6 from default 1.5. I will try 1.7 and see what I come up with. I currently have my 3.3v rail at 3.42. Are you saying raising that to 3.6 or so will also help stabilize my board and allow higher overclocks? If so I will raise the pot some more.

[Negative Design]

I wish you luck cantankerous! I have an NF2 too and waiting for your result :) I will bump my OCZ rail up too Good luck.

[cantankerous]

Thanks Negative Design. To be honest I already have a max limit of 243 on my DFI LPB. I was hoping for more which is why I am going to try the above mentioned. I am going NF4 soon anyhow so I hope to get at least 260 on that setup. I just changed some cooling in my case and bought a Zalman FB123 bracket to help cool the dimms. I hope for greater results. I will surely keep you posted.

Do you have VX/UTT on your NF2? If so what are you getting from it?

[Negative Design]

Thanks Negative Design. To be honest I already have a max limit of 243 on my DFI LPB. I was hoping for more which is why I am going to try the above mentioned. I am going NF4 soon anyhow so I hope to get at least 260 on that setup. I just changed some cooling in my case and bought a Zalman FB123 bracket to help cool the dimms. I hope for greater results. I will surely keep you posted.

Do you have VX/UTT on your NF2? If so what are you getting from it?


Im not doing to good on mine :( I have BH5 and I'm stuck at 240FSB I think I need more volts because I can only stabilize it by relaxing timings :(
Are your sticks getting hot? alot of ppl said their UTTs stay cool,my BH5 on the other hand is HOT! 60C lol.

[Klisp]

My BH-5 doesn't even get warm dude. I'm doing 10x294 2-2-2-6 @ 3.5V

[Rabbi_NZ]

My BH-5 doesn't even get warm dude. I'm doing 10x294 2-2-2-6 @ 3.5V
Do you have a screeny of that?!!!
That's amazing :toast:

[enok]

they don't get warm @ 3.5v at that speed? lol gotta be kidding me! :p:

[cantankerous]

yea mine are pretty hot. The max I seen them get to is 51c at 3.3v but that was in an enclosed humid room. Normally under memtest they get to about 48c and under gaming about 41c.

[X-GeN]

My BH-5 doesn't even get warm dude. I'm doing 10x294 2-2-2-6 @ 3.5V
screenshot please ;)

[godsa]

Man I can't wait till get my dam sticks..is it monday yet?
Everyone needs to post some pics if they can

[Negative Design]

My BH-5 doesn't even get warm dude. I'm doing 10x294 2-2-2-6 @ 3.5V

Mine do :) I put a temp probe on the bastards and it gave me 53 load.Its strange but all 3 running 2gether get HOT! especially on memtest at 230FSB

But when I mix my mushkin with my ultras they do 243FSB 1T and stay warm! I guess bad combo/sticks get warmer then good ones,I just found this out last nite btw,after mixing my 5 sticks.

[Revv23]

My BH-5 doesn't even get warm dude. I'm doing 10x294 2-2-2-6 @ 3.5V

stable?

ive never even heard of that with 2x512.



edit - oh wait, maybe 2t will do that...

[death metal]

anybody knows what kind of ram is used in PCStats review? http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1724

I saw the "dimples" in one of the shot, but not sure if they are AA4T's or not....the SpeedPremiums won't post at CL2 :(

[Revv23]

yeah thats them... -44d with dimples :)

only fed them 2.8v hah, if only they knew.

[Negative Design]

I think they knew...but didnt say! bcuz they dont want ur hungry geeks to want them more!

Or maybe they didnt want their sponsor OCZ to get mad who knows.

[death metal]

ok, thanks guys. i thought they were aa4t's :(...

[godsa]

ok, thanks guys. i thought they were aa4t's ...

They are aa4t on the white sticker

The 44d refers to the last few numbers on the memory chips itself.

Hope I helped

*********************update*********************
Recieved 4 sticks today all aa4t...
Stuck one stick in..has been around 40 minutes..still going strong at
3.3 250 fsb...Going to jump it up and try 260..

2 2 2 2 2 11 13 15 Timings.might not be the correct ending order but you get the jist of it.
I'll be doing the 3.1 to 3.3 test as well ..I'll contribute my findings to that thread

[mcbarnet007]

Anyone know why I can pass memtest 260mhz 20 loops of #5 and I can't get into windows?

[Negative Design]

Anyone know why I can pass memtest 260mhz 20 loops of #5 and I can't get into windows?

Give it more volts :banana:

[mcbarnet007]

that's not the solution....it is already at 3.5v
if it pass memtest it should load windows right? considering I have 4000+ running a 9x multi.

Is memtest screwed up? or windows and memtest uses different setting?

[cantankerous]

loading windows is usually harder on the system as true dual channel comes into effect not to mention the loading of drivers etc. Memtest is good to be sure your memory is stable but cpu, cache and mem controller are totally different things that come into play during the loading of an OS. You can either raise voltage like mentioned above to give the memory a bit more juice when loading the OS or back of a few mhz at the current voltage.

[roscoe211]

Try raising your vcore, maybe its the proc and not the ram.

[mcbarnet007]

4000+ uses clawhammer, which has CG mem controller(prob the best one right now). At 9x 260mhz I am at 2340mhz which is below stock for 4000+. Even when I use 1 stick (single channel) I have problem with window based memtest at 255. I can run memtest at 260mhz 3.33v but can't even run 3dmark01 at 250mhz 3.5v.

Does VX have the same problem or just twinmos SP?

[Negative Design]

Good idea, or better yet lower muti far below your CPUs limits for more RAM FSB headroom.

I have the same problem,I'm memtest stable at 250 but windows stable at 243 your sticks may be faulty never know.

[mcbarnet007]

lol, but isn't memtest suppose to test to see if your ram is faulty or not?

[Negative Design]

yes,but like cantankerous said, it tests only ram :) not ur controller/cpu or any other factor(that I know of) that affects ram overclocks.

[mcbarnet007]

ok, I just ran 25 loops of memtest #5 at 5x 260 2-2-2-8 at 3.4v on DFI SLI-D with all the other timing set to auto. Not one error. Boot into windows and try to run 3dmark01 and it crashed on the second game. Should I up the chipset voltage or the LDT voltage?

[mcbarnet007]

Yes I know, but I know the CPU/mem controller is good, test it on TCCP and runs 275mhz 2.5-3-3-7 at 2750mhz just fine.

[godsa]

How is it going now?
What type of error did it give did you check?
Memory is being cooled?

Maybe you video card can't handle those timing being throw at it? Is that possible?
Thought I read something about that on this forum.

[mcbarnet007]

i follow the instruction of giving it more voltage. So I throw 4.0v at it and now it is completely stable at 265mhz in windows. 3dmark and everything. I just hope it doesn't die. someone really need to come up with water cooling block for memory, even 1/4 tubing is ok, just make it a seperate loop.

[fareastgq]

4 volts may be getting a bit hot, better cool those suckers to be safe. they aren't hot when your just surfing the web or writing a paper, but if you start playing games or somthing, they'll start getting warm > warmer > hot

[mcbarnet007]

haha, I have fat ass copper ram sink on them and a 92mm fan blowing at it. Even memtesting the ramsink is kinda cool. But one of them died.....

[mcbarnet007]

Hmm...funny. I plug in my back up stick and now I can run at 260mhz and 3dmark01 no problem. I bet you anything one stick killed the other one cuz they don't get alone. Oh well survival of the fittest.

[Reefa_Madness]

someone really need to come up with water cooling block for memory, even 1/4 tubing is ok, just make it a seperate loop.


Are you suggesting maybe something like this?

http://www.kaltmacher.de/viewtopic.php?t=32848&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Korpse]

im gettim some speed premium AA4T soon :WOOT:

[Swuacheneger]

hello, one shop give me this number of the twinmos memory:
P/N: M2G9J16A8ATT9F081AA4T
MODEL: M2G9J16A - TT
the chips are winbond UTT???????

[pik-ard v1.1]

yes, they are.

[Swuacheneger]

yeahhhh :banana4: :banana4:, in spain is very difficult find a twinmos memory, thanks

[pik-ard v1.1]

no problem. go and buy the sticks as soon as you can. and as many as you can afford. ;)

tell us what the top 5 letters/numbers are on the chips themselves. should be like 04414, then, on the 2nd line what the last 3 things are. should be something like 44D, or 50D.

[enok]

price? :P

[Swuacheneger]

150€=191.76 $

[pik-ard v1.1]

not bad for europe. only about $15 (~11€) over our prices.

[Swuacheneger]

spain in technology is very bad for buy components, today is arrive the dfi nf4 sli-d, sli-dr and ultra-d, the price of ultra is 162€ around 200$

[situman]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0

Just received this dual pack. AA4T, 50D. production date is 05034 (translate please). Looks to be a better value than the SP.

[pik-ard v1.1]

its winbond utt...

made in 2005, 3rd week. 50D... "supposedly" slightly worse then the 44D, but i dont really know how true that is.

[situman]

hmm not everyone seems to be too excited anymore. the high must be over, lol. I guess they rate it a little lower due to the fact that it is a dual pack. Whatevers. Only volts will tell.

[TEDY]

swuacheneger geeze your english sux :)

jk/ :P

[Swuacheneger]

:stick: hehehe

[godsa]

its winbond utt...

made in 2005, 3rd week. 50D... "supposedly" slightly worse then the 44D, but i dont really know how true that is.
there really hasn't been enought testing and research done on those sticks yet..

But I did manage to get one of those sticks to 261 ..no errors..
Another stick 240..had a couple of errors

That is where the big drawback is..one flies..the other died...LOL

With the speed prem..most people get 250 fsb each stick..its sort of steady

[enok]

150€? not bad at all... i payed 170€ for mine UTT in Portugal... :mad:
but hey... gotta be positive about it, atleast i live in a country with beatiful sunshine, beach's and women. :D

@ godsa , are u sure about that?

[godsa]

sure about that?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0
Sure about what I said? I said alot...the memory above...only a several people have.
Magority of us have speed prem


Im refering to the memory linked in this post ..
So yeah Im sure about the testing..less testing and research on those..because less people have them

Am I sure about 261 ? Yeah Im positive.

The only one really geting lower then 250..was tedy and the starter of this thread..that 2 people out of alot..well and u according to the vx info thread
And as they said probally their boards.

Here is all the data collected so far..check for 50d and that memory
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699
check it..

That thread should really distinguish regular twinmos and speed prem...
Would give better data analyis

[Rabbi_NZ]

Here is all the data collected so far..check for 50d and that memory
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699
check it..

That thread should really distinguish regular twinmos and speed prem...
Would give better data analyis
hahahahahaha

it should also distinguish between nF2, nF3, nF4... socket 462, 754, 939.... 939 newcastle, 939 winchestor... brands of UTT.... and oonnn and oonnnn and ooonnnn....

short answer... unless you manage to slow down the rotation of planet earth, giving me more hours in the day... it jus aint on the cards hehehe

Thanks for the recommendation anyway dude, but I jus cant be bothered... there I said it :D

[trans am]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0
Sure about what I said? I said alot...the memory above...only a several people have.
Magority of us have speed prem


Im refering to the memory linked in this post ..
So yeah Im sure about the testing..less testing and research on those..because less people have them

Am I sure about 261 ? Yeah Im positive.

The only one really geting lower then 250..was tedy and the starter of this thread..that 2 people out of alot..well and u according to the vx info thread
And as they said probally their boards.

Here is all the data collected so far..check for 50d and that memory
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699
check it..

That thread should really distinguish regular twinmos and speed prem...
Would give better data analyis


i just got these today. so far memtest stable at 262 2x512 dual in dfi nf4.
they are 50D and week 0503 very nice i must say!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24300

[Rabbi_NZ]

nice trans am, wot vDimm are you giving them?
and are you using 5v or 3.3v jumper?

[Klisp]

Nice FSB there trans-am...are you selling them ? :slobber:

[godsa]

Great job man!! go for 270! :banana4:

What volts?
Speed Prem right?

[tictac]

ok lets put 4 x 512MB on that DFI NF4 next... :hehe:

[enok]

@ godsa , i was asking if u were sure about that SP vs regular TwinMOS results, as most of SP have same chips (tho 44D are SP exclusive.. but i haven't seen any advantage on them yet) and pcb's (the BP is an exclusive for SP aswell.. yet to be seen any advantage) than regular ones... so, it's basically random luck i guess.

[situman]

I was tryn to burn in my Twin Pack non-sp last night and i realized heat is an issue with these UTTs. W/o a fan, i get 100 something errors at 220fsb at 3.2v. With a small fan on it, it get on average about 5 errors per pass over 400 passes for 6 and half hours.

I lowered it to 214 and Im memtest clean but I was not able to boot into windows. I have this theory where if I use a fan during memtest, the results will be schewed. Testing the mem without a fan will give me a truer memtest result.

[godsa]

godsa , i was asking if u were sure about that SP vs regular TwinMOS results, as most of SP have same chips (tho 44D are SP exclusive.. but i haven't seen any advantage on them yet) and pcb's (the BP is an exclusive for SP aswell.. yet to be seen any advantage) than regular ones... so, it's basically random luck i guess.


Gotcha...
As of the research now im pretty sure...if we get more people with reg twinmos to test..we will c...

I bought reg twinmos it did 261 error free...the second stick did 240 with couple of errors..
Then I bought 4 sticks of prem...all 4 sticks will do 250 fsb at 3.3 on my board ...One stick will do 255 error free another will do 254 error free...

After burning them in..I can do 255 on both in dual channel ..because Im too lazy to burn them seperate...No Errors
Today Im burning them in at 256...6 am till 7pm..then Ill let them "CURE" and check them in the morning at 256 and see if they pass

[situman]

so can you explain teh burn in process a little to me?

[Entity_Razer]

the BP is an exclusive for SP aswell..

I have normal Twinmos non Speed premium Mtecs and I have Nrain power PCB. So BP is NOT Sp only.

[esdee]

i just got these today. so far memtest stable at 262 2x512 dual in dfi nf4.
they are 50D and week 0503 very nice i must say!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=24300



How many volts for 262 trans-am?


nice chips!

[enok]

@ Entity Razer , when have u bought them?

either way it's less (way less) common to see non SP with BP pcb... congrats.

@ Trans Am , wanna sponsor me? :p:

[trans am]

this was 3.3v. I am going to try some higher volts later. This is with the dfi jumper rocking off the 5. I think with the right settings and volts I could get them up to 265 memtest stable. I tried 265 with my 262 settings and got 30 errors on the 1st pass of test 5. So I think some vdimm and vcore would help.

The part that gets me is that these are just plain twinmos on the plain jane 6 layer printed circuit board. This is not the Brainpower. And it's killing my VX at the same settings in dual channel. According to the dual results, if I put these in my nf3 754 dfi board, they could easily do 270. I am basing this on my results with the VX in single(264mhz) as opposed to my results on dual channel(255mhz) with the same ram.

[fareastgq]

well guys, after my buddy played games for a weekend with a stick of my SP, my booster broke :( the Neo won't boot up with it in anymore, just beeps, and that was only at 3.4 volts :( I don't see anything wrong with the booster, it just won't work... Anyway, the fastest the stick I was burning in went at 3.2 volts is 250 fsb at 2 2 2, I was trying to burn the stick in....blah, Anyway, they aren't better than my corsair xms pro (which run 265 at 2 2 2 a stick @3.4 volts) and I like the LED's, they allow me to see if a board is toasted or not, so I guess I really have no use for the twinmos. Granted they are cheaper so it's best bang for the buck atm. Off to ebay they go tonight, as I don't wanna pay a restocking fee at the egg... and i can't really rma them becuase there's nothing wrong with them...blah. Between that and rma'ing my booster, I've had kinda crap luck with burn in atm. Bad thing is, I never really got to see what the 2 sticks I didn't burn in yet could do at 3.6 volts. Stupid Neo and it's ovp... I can't wait for DFI nf4 AGP.....

[enok]

262Mhz with 3.3v? WOW :o i want those! :toast:

[TEDY]

i just cant believe it ...262 with only 3.3v

[trans am]

well you never know. They might just be lucky sticks. Luck of the draw.

[enok]

trans am, it would be nice if u could tell us how they scaled with diferent voltage increase. :)