Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[Rabbi_NZ]

Is anyone here prepared to sell 2x512 handpicked AA4T or Speed Premium TwinMOS with UTT... preferably 44D?

I tried contacting The Stilt but he hasn't replied to my PMs.

Let me know asap please. Thanks

[Jessfm]

If anyone wants 2x256 sticks page me (UK/EU only)

[Klisp]

Is anyone here prepared to sell 2x512 handpicked AA4T or Speed Premium TwinMOS with UTT... preferably 44D?

I tried contacting The Stilt but he hasn't replied to my PMs.

Let me know asap please. Thanks
I have also tried to PM him but no reply.

[reject]

can anyone from indo still get 2x512mb AA4T? cause i live about a 5 hour flight from there, so shipping wouldnt be too bad. 50D or 44D prefereable
anyone else can send to australia?
btw. i have no paypal or heatwares how do i get it?

[Jupiler]

Guys,
I'm not gonna repeat this :

We have a for sale/wanted section here on Xtreme.
If you're looking for something, please post it there, or do it via PM.
No need to continue posting it in this topic.
Thx.

[TEDY]

ditto

[reject]

im sorry. just didnt want to bother the wrong person
looks like i might have to

[tictac]

im sorry. just didnt want to bother the wrong person
looks like i might have to

PM..... setyotomo :toast:

[dutchman.pt]

Oh, i want so much a 1Gb kit of these memories.
In portugal it's very hard to find them because almost no stores payed attention to these Twinmos memories.
Does anyone know a European store that has this mems and ships to Portugal?



The Stilt, if you don't mind answer my PM about the mems business. :)

[enok]

true, but i know a shop in Porto that had 1 more kit of 2x512mb for sale. (it only had 2 AA4T kits from 30 kits... one of them is at my place :D )
PM me.

[neop]

i can get them easily over here, jus an hr trip

but i'm in asia

[Jack]

dutchman.pt and TEDY www.overclockers.de
has a new shipment of twinmos speed premium mem in stock.
all AA4T and 44D chips.

They ship everywhere in Europa!

but i have no idea how much the shippingcosts will be,
but thats for you to find out :)

[reject]

ok i got a pm from DuPu and hes in finland. hes got a lot of memorys 512s and hes in finland, seems the fins are on the money for twinmos

[TEDY]

yeah i see it jack...

[enok]

@ Shroomalistic , what memtest are u running?

i'm currently using memtest86+ 1.4, and i just can't pass #7 without errors... at 244Mhz with 3.1v

[TEDY]

http://www.akiba-pc.com/article.php?45.0

[Klisp]

I see you could also buy from this site but i don't understand the language.

[Jessfm]

Just killed one of my 256 sticks at 3.8v (stupid DDR booster is all over the place)

[seldomsean]

Just killed one of my 256 sticks at 3.8v (stupid DDR booster is all over the place)

Are you sure about that...??

My OVP kicks in at 3.8 and it appears that my stick is dead
Untill i drop the voltage back...Also i loose my video drivers

[Jack]

(stupid DDR booster is all over the place)
? what do you mean by that :confused:

[Techmasta]

http://www.akiba-pc.com/article.php?45.0

70GB. :slobber:

[dutchman.pt]

dutchman.pt and TEDY www.overclockers.de
has a new shipment of twinmos speed premium mem in stock.
all AA4T and 44D chips.

They ship everywhere in Europa!

but i have no idea how much the shippingcosts will be,
but thats for you to find out :)

Tks, Jack.
I will check that out.
I also noticed that Akiba store has mems with guaranteed OC but i just can't understand Finn. :/

[Negative Design]

? what do you mean by that :confused:

I think he means the volts were unstable.

[TEDY]

Just killed one of my 256 sticks at 3.8v (stupid DDR booster is all over the place)

did you cooled them ?

[Jessfm]

No i put them nxt to my 3Kw room heater :p

Yes fan on them and on the DDR booster, in all fairness the stick thats now died was the weak one of the two. NP I hope for a good one on RMA, at least I know for sure I will get another AA4T :)

[Negative Design]

No i put them nxt to my 3Kw room heater :p

Yes fan on them and on the DDR booster, in all fairness the stick thats now died was the weak one of the two. NP I hope for a good one on RMA, at least I know for sure I will get another AA4T :)

Same chips as OCZ...but are you sure its warrantied to 3.5V? lol but I wish you luck :)

[TEDY]

that was luckily only 256mb aka 40$ :)

[Jessfm]

yes thats very true.

TBH it may or may not have been the volts that killed it, since it was weak anyway, possibly it was just a coincidence

[largon]

Got a package from oc.de (http://www.overclockers.de/) with 6 big ones coming my way...

[Jessfm]

Got a package from oc.de (http://www.overclockers.de/) with 6 big ones coming my way...

Welcome to Xtreme :)

And good luck with your memory .

[TEDY]

jack you got them ?

[Shroomalistic]

@ Shroomalistic , what memtest are u running?

i'm currently using memtest86+ 1.4, and i just can't pass #7 without errors... at 244Mhz with 3.1v


I use a cd-rom version of memtest86 v1.30

[Rabbi_NZ]

I use a cd-rom version of memtest86 v1.30
Test #7 is the hardest to pass with my VX too... it gives up 1-2MHz before #5 does.

Shroomy, have you found AGP Freq and/or AGP Voltage has any effect on how high you can clock in MemTest or Windows with these modules?

[DaGoof]

Newegg just sent me the $32 crap, non-speed premium. Non UTT, so I'm going to have to RMA.. I suppose they figured I wouldnt be able to tell the difference between this and what I bought :shrug:

[Shroomalistic]

Test #7 is the hardest to pass with my VX too... it gives up 1-2MHz before #5 does.

Shroomy, have you found AGP Freq and/or AGP Voltage has any effect on how high you can clock in MemTest or Windows with these modules?

I just leave it at 67mhz for memtest. 71-77 can get me an extra 1mhz or more most of the time.

I recall someone saying that he wanted to see a 3dmark at 265 or higher. Heres one at 274.

[HermS]

Yay and boo...

Got a pair of 256Mb AA4T with 50D chips today, one stick memtested straight upto 264 (3.5v). :cool: Problem is the other stick was D.O.A got some alarm signal when trying to boot at defaults, wierd huh.

Shroomy, nice results. :)

[choseone214]

SHROM>

TRC should equal TRAS+TRP ;)

tras=5
+
trp=2
=trc of "7" for optiomal performance ;)

you should see a nice gain as TRC sets wait states for the ram cycle :)
nice fsb 270's are nice :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

SHROM>

TRC should equal TRAS+TRP ;)

tras=5
+
trp=2
=trc of "7" for optiomal performance ;)

you should see a nice gain as TRC sets wait states for the ram cycle :)
nice fsb 270's are nice :)
I run 2-2-2-10-7-15... are you saying 2-2-2-10-12-15 would be better?

[Shroomalistic]

SHROM>

TRC should equal TRAS+TRP ;)

tras=5
+
trp=2
=trc of "7" for optiomal performance ;)

you should see a nice gain as TRC sets wait states for the ram cycle :)
nice fsb 270's are nice :)


Wasnt even looking at that. I leave tightest possible timings when burning in. Didnt realize I didnt change it back to 10.



Edit:
Never mind, you got me really confused now
I leave those at 15,16 or 14,16 with this particular ram. 10 wont get as high. Im going for highest 2,2,2 . I leave others at most stable point, usually auto.

[choseone214]

Are you running a64 tweaker??

trc "bank cycle time" is a big timing much like cas as it sets timing cycles

Try and drop from 15 to say 12 and change tras to 10. Sorry if I've lost you, hehe

[Shroomalistic]

no im hearing ya loud and clear. When I go for my highest sandra mem score I will do that.

[tictac]

run aquamark..
were going to use that ram to get 100k aquamark with a 3500 newcastle right.
hope you'r other stick is just as good.. :)

New 3D MArk world record with TwinMOS UTT ? is it possible? :slobber:

[choseone214]

New 3D MArk world record with TwinMOS UTT ? is it possible?

Sure if you include ocz VX sticks in the mix ;)

But then again 2001 is so much cpu that you still need that killer fx@3.475-3.5ghz :)

[reject]

wat refresh are you using? 4708 or 4196? or something lower

[Jessfm]

Yay and boo...

Got a pair of 256Mb AA4T with 50D chips today, one stick memtested straight upto 264 (3.5v). :cool: Problem is the other stick was D.O.A got some alarm signal when trying to boot at defaults, wierd huh.

Shroomy, nice results. :)

If my Bh6 does good ( 250) @ high volts, Ill have 1 good stick too !

did you buy them from tekheads ?

Page me, might be able to help you out a little .

[Shroomalistic]

were up to 97.5k so far with this newcastle @ 3.3ghz and VX @ 266. x800xt pe @ 679/650 on water.if i freeze my card i could get like a few thousand over 100k.

i would say it's possible if he get's a matching stick. :)

Deffinitly possible. I also got a stick that wouldnt run at its rated speeds. My bad stick is being sent out tomorrow FedEX. It should be back in about a week so i will know more then. I cant wait. I love virgin winbond.

[fareastgq]

lame, they changed the eta on the 512 sticks to 1-19, I was gonna order some and see what I got from newegg with their latest batch. Also, when you guys say you got this and this ram, could you say where you bought it from? ppl have been saying what sticks they got but not from where... I'm looking for a reliable 2x512 set myself.

[Shroomalistic]

newegg has the 512mb SP back in stock. Whos next to take a gamble?

[TEDY]

me not :)

[Eljefe62]

It looks like most of the 512 aa4t's are coming from Europe...
only 256 sticks @ newegg are pretty much guaranteed (the SP's at least)...

[Jack]

jack you got them ?
The stuff is being send to a german roommate of mine, to save some shippingcosts. The mem will probably arrive there this week (i ordered friday), so i'll have it monday :)


@Eljefe62, overclockers.de is having a good time selling twinmos right now :)
they had 2 shipments of 1gig speed premium aa4t and 44D chips and 2 shipments of single 512mb modules aa4t and 44D chips.
so you'll be hearing more from european users :D

[TEDY]

oh jack that's almost a week :P

[Jupiler]

Pïcked up mine today (they arrived at my aunt's place on friday, but didn't have the time to pick them up.)

Waiting for my Booster to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.
Here's some pics :



http://users.skynet.be/MetalHead/twinmos/premium1.jpg



http://users.skynet.be/MetalHead/twinmos/premium2.jpg

[Jack]

oh jack that's almost a week :P
i know :slap:
haven't got time to test them this week tho'
have to study, have exams to pass...

Pïcked up mine today (they arrived at my aunt's place on friday, but didn't have the time to pick them up.)

Waiting for my Booster to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.
Here's some pics :

http://users.skynet.be/MetalHead/twinmos/premium1.jpg

http://users.skynet.be/MetalHead/twinmos/premium2.jpg

looking good :D
lets us know what the mem does :)

[Eljefe62]

I tried seeing how much it would be from Akiba (I think?) and it would have been $260, plus shipping (from Japan?)... =outrageous for some normally $160 memory here...

[Jack]

I tried seeing how much it would be from Akiba (I think?) and it would have been $260, plus shipping (from Japan?)... =outrageous for some normally $160 memory here...
akiba asks a high price for their twinmos because they're pretested.
they all do 240+ MHz
and you're right about the price: $260, w/o shipping from finland.
At cheap stores in europe the twinmos is still 160 euro = $208 w/o shipping :(

TEDY, Jupiler bought his twinmos from overclockers.de,
just like i did :toast:

[TEDY]

jupiler where did you get them ?

[Jupiler]

jupiler where did you get them ?

Like Jack said, http://www.overclockers.de

[TEDY]

excellent!!

gonna order 10x dual packs...so 20 sticks :)

LOL

[largon]

TEDY, you are overcompensating. You might want to upgrade the rest of your system to get IT out of these sticks... :rolleyes:

[Playful_Buffalo]

Nice sticks Jupiler :D

[Da_BoKa]

for the dutch people:

they are available in Belgium!!

i found 2 sticks of 256mb and 1 of 512mb @ loveno, i bought their last ones ( the 256 sticks ) and they are mtec 50D's

[enzoR]

TEDY, you are overcompensating. You might want to upgrade the rest of your system to get IT out of these sticks... :rolleyes:

i agree i think your BH-5 would do even better.

[TEDY]

so UTT not good for NF2 ? well i'm not dying to get 250 out of them ...just some 230 2-2-2-x 2*512 will be enough till i switch to NF4 soon :)

[tictac]

gimme 1 pair would you :stick:

[enok]

tictac, give me a uber 1337 an7 bios! :P (not that enduracell is doing a bad job... but u could help him! :banana4: )

TEDY , UTT is fine at NF2. if u want to buy it only to get 2x512 i think u do well. if u are just looking for performance... damn u got BH-5 urself mate. :)

[TEDY]

i know what that i have BH-5 but only 2*256....really want 2*512 but want some cheap UTT :)

Cause 512MB used BH-5 is still 110-130$ ...too much.

enok : you got twinmos :confused: utt ?

[$ilver]

so UTT not good for NF2 ? well i'm not dying to get 250 out of them ...just some 230 2-2-2-x 2*512 will be enough till i switch to NF4 soon :)
i just got my speed premium yesterday .... i put them in , set on 3,3v and started testing with 250 11-2-2-2 @ a DFI Infinity with some dirty XP-M .... :banana4: now it runs nearly 2days @ Load without any error .. @ weekend its time to burn :banana:

edit: i just paid 127€ for 2x512mb selected Speed premium with UTT chips :slobber: directly from twinmos germany :p

[Jupiler]

Nice clocks.
Are those 2*256 or 2*512MB sticks?

Good to see ya around, $ilver.

[tictac]

tictac, give me a uber 1337 an7 bios! :P

OK
:toast:

[Revv23]

i just got my speed premium yesterday .... i put them in , set on 3,3v and started testing with 250 11-2-2-2 @ a DFI Infinity with some dirty XP-M .... :banana4: now it runs nearly 2days @ Load without any error .. @ weekend its time to burn :banana:

edit: i just paid 127€ for 2x512mb selected Speed premium with UTT chips :slobber: directly from twinmos germany :p


CPC off i assume?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Will those that already have UTT please post their experiences in my thread here:
VX/UTT Voltage Scaling, please contribute... (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50699)
Cheers :toast:

[fareastgq]

wow auto notified at 6 am on newegg, checked at 6pm, all gone. next eta 1-22. Well, at least the chances are better now. Who the hell is buying all the sticks from newegg? No one here's gotten any :P

[pik-ard v1.1]

everything new (from newegg) is suposed to be AA4T, or... atleast that is the theory, correct?


hmmm, the 22nd is a saturday... guess i'll be getting up early. :D

[silentbob]

everything new (from newegg) is suposed to be AA4T, or... atleast that is the theory, correct?


hmmm, the 22nd is a saturday... guess i'll be getting up early. :D
got mine today (2x512) and they were aa4t's.

[pik-ard v1.1]

got mine today (2x512) and they were aa4t's.
thanks, i'll deffinately be getting up saturday morning in hopes that i can snag a pair of 512mb sticks.

[turtle]

Is this the kits (2x512mb) or the single 512mb sticks...or both that seem to all be aa4t from the egg?

[situman]

getn mine tomorrow. Crossing my fingers 2*512.

[Reefa_Madness]

got mine today (2x512) and they were aa4t's.

Were those part of last Friday's stock at newegg? If so, then you are the first that I've heard has received shipment.

[silentbob]

yup, 2 singles, ordered friday. i overnighted them (actually my g/f bought em for me) how high could i run my 3.3v rail for 24/7 use? i ask because i can't get anymore than like 3.37v vdimm no matter what i set the bios is set to. :confused:

[situman]

looks like theres hope

[Maxwell Murder]

Turned 18, applied for my Credit Card. Awaiting the card so I can buy buy!

[Jessfm]

Turned 18, applied for my Credit Card. Awaiting the card so I can buy buy!

'you are on your way to destruction.'

'all your credit belongs to us'

:)

[$ilver]

CPC off i assume?
yo , with command per clock on , i havent tested yet

[Reefa_Madness]

yup, 2 singles, ordered friday. i overnighted them (actually my g/f bought em for me) how high could i run my 3.3v rail for 24/7 use? i ask because i can't get anymore than like 3.37v vdimm no matter what i set the bios is set to. :confused:

Another guy over at OCF reported getting his from that same Friday stock...AA4Ts as well. That makes two out of two and all hopes rise for the latest group of gamblers. Maybe I won't be eating a restock fee after all!

What are the mfg dates on those 512 sticks?

[esdee]

OK guys, im back from a 5day business trip and sooooo happy because yesterday my 'source' called me that 0453 week UTT chips (with aa4t p\n) has arrived at greece!

I'll pick some modules tomorrow to test them! too bad i don't have the maximizer !!!
more good news in 24hours ;)

[Reefa_Madness]

OK guys, im back from a 5day business trip and sooooo happy because yesterday my 'source' called me that 0453 week UTT chips (with aa4t p\n) has arrived at greece!

I'll pick some modules tomorrow to test them! too bad i don't have the maximizer !!!
more good news in 24hours ;)


Fifty four pages and counting...do you see what you've started?

Now if you could only get TwinMOS to give you a small %, next time you go away it could be on a five day vacation instead of a business trip.

Small question for you...in which month of the year is the 53rd week? :)

[Jessfm]

Little oddity thats cropping up on my rig with UTT.

running dividers, if i set HTT to 300 and mem to 100setting Boot ok, 300HTT mem 133/166 fails. Ram is good for 265 1:1 so don't know what going on there.

Problem is issolated to UTT as BH6 and TCCD is ok.

[largon]

Do later (0453) chips usually clock better than early (0448)? I'd think so.

[esdee]

Fifty four pages and counting...do you see what you've started?

Now if you could only get TwinMOS to give you a small %, next time you go away it could be on a five day vacation instead of a business trip.


i would prefer a 5day 'prison' in my room with some new hardware... lets say UTT+DFI nf4+maximizer (hipros maximizer is AWSOME ... my results are remarkable!)

gouh gouh ... do you hear that alonso :D :D
i would be happy with just 10gigs of modules to test !

j/k alonso ... besides sharing findings is what forums are about ... right?;)


Small question for you...in which month of the year is the 53rd week? :)

according to my cell phones calendar week 53 is 27/12(monday)-->31/12(friday)

[esdee]

Do later (0453) chips usually clock better than early (0448)? I'd think so.


we'll have ti test to find out ... newer isn't always better ...

[enzoR]

Do later (0453) chips usually clock better than early (0448)? I'd think so.

u said it yourself USUALLY... most of the time yes ;)

[Reefa_Madness]

i would prefer a 5day 'prison' in my room with some new hardware... lets say UTT+DFI nf4+maximizer (hipros maximizer is AWSOME ... my results are remarkable!)

gouh gouh ... do you hear that alonso :D :D
i would be happy with just 10gigs of modules to test !

j/k alonso ... besides sharing findings is what forums are about ... right?;)



according to my cell phones calendar week 53 is 27/12(monday)-->31/12(friday)

I was just kidding about the "normal" 52 wk year, just like we kidded about the date that displayed by CPUI-Z when hipro5 tested your sticks...what was it...something like week 83?.

With respect to the question of whether a 53rd week IC is better than one from wk 46...with as much partying that goes on around the world towards the end of the year I'm not sure if I want ANYTHING manufactured the last week of a year (whether an IC, a cpu or an automobile). Then of course the first week of a year probably isn't too good either because everyone has a hangover from the previous week's partying. :)

[esdee]

With respect to the question of whether a 53rd week IC is better than one from wk 46...with as much partying that goes on around the world towards the end of the year I'm not sure if I want ANYTHING manufactured the last week of a year (whether an IC, a cpu or an automobile). Then of course the first week of a year probably isn't too good either because everyone has a hangover from the previous week's partying. :)

lol ok about the week :rolleyes:

you are so right! ... thank god i don't make ICs ...

[GazC]

Who the hell is buying all the sticks from newegg?
:P

OCZ!! :lol: :ROTF:

[$ilver]

OCZ!! :lol: :ROTF:
rofl ... if i would be ocz , i would bite myself :p:

[tictac]

Ok some review from Malaysia

TwinMOS Speed Premium Winbond 44D
2 x 256Mb
Vdimm @ 2.93V
240MHz 2-2-2-11

http://forum.lowyat.net/uploads/post-15435-1106137691.jpg

[krampak]

Not bad for 2'93V!!

[esdee]

damn tictac ... how about 3.5V???!!! 280-290?

[situman]

well, I jsut received my 2*512 SP from Newegg...sad to say its only AA4t - 44D, sigh...now what?!?!? :eek: :D :toast: :wiggle:

[sparkie34]

well, I jsut received my 2*512 SP from Newegg...sad to say its only AA4t - 44D, sigh...now what?!?!? :eek: :D :toast: :wiggle:


You rotten S O B......j/k :p: Throw them in and see what you get!!!! :toast: How much voltage do you have to play with and what kind of system do you have?

[TEDY]

damn ya situman lucky MOFO!!

[situman]

im sure im not the only one. Now if only my AI7 would get here. IC7 no good even with the booster. Gonna be selling my IC7 soon.

[sparkie34]

im sure im not the only one. Now if only my AI7 would get here. IC7 no good even with the booster. Gonna be selling my IC7 soon.


Send them my way till your AI7 gets here. I'll take good care of them. ;) :D

[largon]

Situman, what's the date?

[situman]

wat u mean by date? Where would i find that?

[TEDY]

04xx

[largon]

Situman, on the chips. Numbers right under "TwinMos".
yyww4 y=year w=week

[Jupiler]

Like on the second pic HERE (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=673308&postcount=1315)

[situman]

04464

[situman]

Is that November? Not too sure. At least its not too close to the holidays so peeps arent THAT drunk yet.

[Bennah]

OCZ!! :lol: :ROTF:

hehehe nice one Gaz.

I want some 512mb sticks of SP... better get looking closely at the egg now ;)

[tictac]

damn tictac ... how about 3.5V???!!! 280-290?

That is on standard ABIT NF7 rev2.0
so max vdimm in that board is 2.9V
Max bootable at 245MHz but super pi error.. now he is still burning it in at 240

he cant test it higher :stick:

[jumanji969]

Wow thats amazing tictac, my bh-5 can only do 233 at 2.9v on my NF7.

[enok]

very good result. :toast:
mine are burning at 240 @ 3.1v... hope to top my chipset limit at 246 at that same voltage... that would be great. :slobber:

[TEDY]

why tictac always gets the best ? :D

:P

[sparkie34]

why tictac always gets the best ? :D

:P


Those are tic tac's buddies results. ;)

[NapalmV5]

Yesterday, received 2 x 256Mb, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-059&depa=1 and not the ones i've ordered, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-404&depa=1, nice going newegg. Hope i'll get the right ones by next week.

What other place/s in the US sell these ?

[Mowgli]

u guys can check out some progress made by some malaysian here..on the twinmos UTT...seems like its performing WAYYY better than BH5's... :confused:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=116577&pid=3014966&st=160&#entry3014966

anybody mind giving me some opinions? i am suppose to buy a pair of 2 x 256 BH5's...which is guaranteed to run at 255 Mhz with Booster...its d Mushkin Black Level 2 PC3500...but now seems like TwinMOS is performaing darn well...but there is no guarantee...as it depends on ur luck i spose...kinda torn in between BH5 or TwinMOS..i am using IC7 btw...

[Revv23]

"yo , with command per clock on , i havent tested yet"

damn CPC on at 250 with 2x512mb? and only 3.3v? :slobber:

[tictac]

u guys can check out some progress made by some malaysian here..on the twinmos UTT...seems like its performing WAYYY better than BH5's... :confused:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=116577&pid=3014966&st=160&#entry3014966

anybody mind giving me some opinions? i am suppose to buy a pair of 2 x 256 BH5's...which is guaranteed to run at 255 Mhz with Booster...its d Mushkin Black Level 2 PC3500...but now seems like TwinMOS is performaing darn well...but there is no guarantee...as it depends on ur luck i spose...kinda torn in between BH5 or TwinMOS..i am using IC7 btw...

:lol: yo.. Mowgli... i already post the result here :slap:

[esdee]

That is on standard ABIT NF7 rev2.0
so max vdimm in that board is 2.9V
Max bootable at 245MHz but super pi error.. now he is still burning it in at 240

he cant test it higher :stick:


donate them to me!i can do higher :slap: ;)

[Mowgli]

:lol: yo.. Mowgli... i already post the result here :slap:

:) i know...juz giving them the URL so dat they can keep track if they want to...since this TwinMOS already available in Msia...

[$ilver]

damn CPC on at 250 with 2x512mb? and only 3.3v? :slobber:
crazy .. with 250 @ 3,3 the sys runs more than 2day @ 100% load , but @ 251 i cant boot ... hmm something wrong ... hmm i forgot to remeber the 6/19 bios ... hmm maybe the wrong bios ...
ideas ? :stick: at saturday i gonna start some burn/bench time :banana4:

[TEDY]

silver bump to 3.4vdimm

[Jack]

tictac could you reply my PM? :)

[tictac]

tictac could you reply my PM? :)

:lol: just reply :slap:

[$ilver]

silver bump to 3.4vdimm
everything until 3,7v is possible .. don't ask how ^^

[esdee]

crazy .. with 250 @ 3,3 the sys runs more than 2day @ 100% load , but @ 251 i cant boot ... hmm something wrong ... hmm i forgot to remeber the 6/19 bios ... hmm maybe the wrong bios ...
ideas ? :stick: at saturday i gonna start some burn/bench time :banana4:


i have to admit that the wall on these modules is sooooooo big ... 1Mhz more and nothing works !

[Jupiler]

1*512 MB on DFI UT250Gb, 252Mhz, 2-2-2-5, 1T.
3.35V on Dimm, according to bios (no booster used).
No Memtest errors at 252Mhz, but got some at 253Mhz.
Hope to get higher once booster arrives.


http://users.skynet.be/MetalHead/twinmos/252Mhz.jpg

[Mowgli]

ermm...can sum1 post some results using IC7? without booster or VTT mod or volt mods... coz i think TwinMOS wont really work so well with my IC7...but havent sen anybody posting any results with dis board...

[Jupiler]

Sure you can.
All results are welcome. It's always interessting to see how this memory performs on different platforms.

[Mowgli]

Sure you can.
All results are welcome. It's always interessting to see how this memory performs on different platforms.

errmm...i think u din get me properly...ehhehe...

i dont hav this RAMs....but i hav an IC7...that apparently need a VTT mod n a booster to get this RAMs going...

i am asking for anybody with an IC7 to post some results...with stock Vdimm n evrything...coz i am not willing to do a VTT mod....but i dont mind getting a booster, but apparently IC7 wont work well with Booster without a VTT mod... :(

[Jupiler]

Oh crap, you're right.
My bad.

[Jack]

ermm...can sum1 post some results using IC7? without booster or VTT mod or volt mods... coz i think TwinMOS wont really work so well with my IC7...but havent sen anybody posting any results with dis board...
i'll check it out :)
got a ic7-max3 lying around here and a neo2
i'll post the results monday

and Tictac, about the PM, i'll check it out :)

[Reefa_Madness]

well, I jsut received my 2*512 SP from Newegg...sad to say its only AA4t - 44D, sigh...now what?!?!? :eek: :D :toast: :wiggle:


Well, we both got lucky! Mine are dated 0448.

Does the first part of your stick's serial # match the mfg date? Mine do and I was wondering if it was just chance or if that is part of TM's numbering scheme. If so, you don't need to open the packaging to tell the dates, just look at the S/N on the label (third row of numbers, first one being the Part # that ends in AA4T if you are lucky, the next one is the Model # and it mostly matches the first part of the Part # and then the last one is the Serial # and it starts off with what appears to be the mfg date followed by a series of alpha/numeric characters).

Mine are:

Parts #: M2G9J16A8ATTFF081AA4T
Model #: M2G9J16A-TT
Serial #: 0448W45M40571594


I'm at work now so and will be at least for several more hours then an hour travel time so it will be close to 9 or 10 tonight before these get tried out. For the time being I'm limited to 3.3v (on an Epox 4PDA2+ with a 2.4c), but hopefully that will be good enough for 240-250, maybe more based on what tictac's friend and others are getting.

Last night I was able to hit 245 (2-2-2-5) in SC on a 512MB OCZ PC2700 Value Series stick that I got through Diablo23rd. These have the M.tec 60Ds with the "-50" after the date code. I was not able to boot in DC with those timings, even at just 200 fsb. I am thinking that the second stick is not as good, although I have hit 210 at 3.1v so far with it. That is all I've had a chance to test, not the max.

I think that these TMSP will do better, or at least I'm hoping they will.

[Mowgli]

i'll check it out :)
got a ic7-max3 lying around here and a neo2
i'll post the results monday

and Tictac, about the PM, i'll check it out :)

its ok JUPILER... :)

thanx mate...its much appreciated...but if i am not mistaken, IC7-MAX3 has a default Vdimm of 3.2V..where as IC7 only has a default Vdimm of 2.8...if u dont mind, try to get some results with 2.8Vdimm n post it up...i think i wud be similiar if i hav this memory on my board at 2.8Vdimm since d chipset is d same...

i dont expect much of a result with an IC7 at juz 2.8V...even with a booster, i think i cud get only up to 3.0Vdimm....:( :confused:

[Jupiler]

I don't have the IC7 anymore, but still the P4C800-E.
The P4C800-E is a little more picky with memory, but I can always give it a try.

[Mowgli]

would be nice to see how it performs on INTEL platforms instead...so many AMD's....yeah..give it a try...n if u dont mind, post some screnies at 2.8Vdimm...hehe....

[Jack]

its ok JUPILER... :)

thanx mate...its much appreciated...but if i am not mistaken, IC7-MAX3 has a default Vdimm of 3.2V..where as IC7 only has a default Vdimm of 2.8...if u dont mind, try to get some results with 2.8Vdimm n post it up...i think i wud be similiar if i hav this memory on my board at 2.8Vdimm since d chipset is d same...

i dont expect much of a result with an IC7 at juz 2.8V...even with a booster, i think i cud get only up to 3.0Vdimm....:( :confused:
i'll test it from 2.8V 'till 3.2V.
i hope the vtt won't give to much trouble tho', since i was planning on sticking a gig in for permanent usage at some high clocks.

[Mowgli]

i'll test it from 2.8V 'till 3.2V.
i hope the vtt won't give to much trouble tho', since i was planning on sticking a gig in for permanent usage at some high clocks.

cool....btw, u wont be using booster rite? so i doubt the VTT shud b a problem...oh, n mind trying 2 x 256?hehe...hoping not too much to ask for...but its much appreciated...thanx... :)

[Jack]

cool....btw, u wont be using booster rite? so i doubt the VTT shud b a problem...oh, n mind trying 2 x 256?hehe...hoping not too much to ask for...but its much appreciated...thanx... :)
dont own a booster ;)
and i have 4x 512mb on the way
that should give you an idea what 2x 256mb will do on a ic7

[Mowgli]

dont own a booster ;)
and i have 4x 512mb on the way
that should give you an idea what 2x 256mb will do on a ic7

with 2 x 512 i think would yield less result compared to 2 x 256 i think...but i would hav a rough idea....cant wait 2 see ur results...if its good i wud be getting myself a pair....

btw, with ur BH5's on ur IC7 Max 3, how much can u get out of it with 2.8Vdimm? coz i am actually kinda torned in between TwinMOS or a pair of
2 x 256 BH5's a fren is selling to me...

[silentbob]

damn CPC on at 250 with 2x512mb? and only 3.3v? :slobber:
mine run 255 with 3.3v and cpc on. nice sticks, too bad i can't run 2x512 plus my booster.

[Revv23]

mine run 255 with 3.3v and cpc on. nice sticks, too bad i can't run 2x512 plus my booster.

in an amd XP system? From the looks of it you have it in an A64 rig, i may be wrong though. I'd really like to hear more 2x512 results in AXP category.


i dont expect much of a result with an IC7 at juz 2.8V...even with a booster, i think i cud get only up to 3.0Vdimm....:( :confused:


The VTT is usually good to track well up until 3.2v-3.3v, even on the normal IC7, so the booster can help you up to there, the VTT mod isnt 100% neccesary either, you can still run voltages higher then 3.2 with stableness, only maybe not as stable as it would be with the VTT tracking correctly.

I don't have the IC7 anymore, but still the P4C800-E.
The P4C800-E is a little more picky with memory, but I can always give it a try.

P4C800 already tracks the VTT correctly, this really wouldnt help mowgli, though i would love to see more intel results.

[silentbob]

Sorry! Yes i do have a a64 system. I'm going to a lan on friday, i can see what the memory does in my brothers dfi infinity.

[bito]

Overclockers.de now have the 1gb Speed Premium kits in stock.....just ordered mine :)

[Reefa_Madness]

Just got a PM from my friend, Diablo23RD, that works at the Fry's out in the midwest and he told me that they have just received a shipment of Geil's value ram with these Winbond UTT chips and BP PCBs. They retail in the mid $80s pe 512 stick so they look to possibly be an alternative if the TwinMOS are not available where you live.

I'll try to get more info on these modules, maybe even a set. Not that I need it. Like many of you guys, I have more money in ram than I care to mention.

[situman]

at 2.8v Im able to run 220fsb @3338 timings. Not terrible terrible, but not that great either on my IC7. Still waiting for AI7

[gundamit]

Just got a PM from my friend, Diablo23RD, that works at the Fry's out in the midwest and he told me that they have just received a shipment of Geil's value ram with these Winbond UTT chips and BP PCBs. They retail in the mid $80s pe 512 stick so they look to possibly be an alternative if the TwinMOS are not available where you live.

I'll try to get more info on these modules, maybe even a set. Not that I need it. Like many of you guys, I have more money in ram than I care to mention.
Just need the 7 digit product SKU number to ID the right memory. Should be on his receipt. Thanks in advance. :)

[TEDY]

gundamit :

welcome to XS

[Jessfm]

Just got a PM from my friend, Diablo23RD, that works at the Fry's out in the midwest and he told me that they have just received a shipment of Geil's value ram with these Winbond UTT chips and BP PCBs. They retail in the mid $80s pe 512 stick so they look to possibly be an alternative if the TwinMOS are not available where you live.

I'll try to get more info on these modules, maybe even a set. Not that I need it. Like many of you guys, I have more money in ram than I care to mention.

Dide he get any more info on them, codes to look for etc ?

[dutchman.pt]

Just got a PM from my friend, Diablo23RD, that works at the Fry's out in the midwest and he told me that they have just received a shipment of Geil's value ram with these Winbond UTT chips and BP PCBs. They retail in the mid $80s pe 512 stick so they look to possibly be an alternative if the TwinMOS are not available where you live.

I'll try to get more info on these modules, maybe even a set. Not that I need it. Like many of you guys, I have more money in ram than I care to mention.

Very interesting news you got there.
See if those mems are really as good as this Twinmos and if they match the AA4T and 44D/50D.
Nice find. :toast:

[esdee]

Just got a PM from my friend, Diablo23RD, that works at the Fry's out in the midwest and he told me that they have just received a shipment of Geil's value ram with these Winbond UTT chips and BP PCBs. They retail in the mid $80s pe 512 stick so they look to possibly be an alternative if the TwinMOS are not available where you live.

I'll try to get more info on these modules, maybe even a set. Not that I need it. Like many of you guys, I have more money in ram than I care to mention.

wwwwoooowww the week/stepping/Serial marathon begins ...again

[Redskin]

my new toys just arrived :banana: from overclockers.de
AA4T
04484

happy overclocking :D but only nforce2 board :rolleyes:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22923&stc=1

[pcfreak]

hmmm this doesn't look like bp pcb (am I wrong???)...

[BeSaiD]

i've asked how much would the shipping be from OC.de to spain, and it's really expensive (around 40€!). For 200€ i can buy some Vx or something like that from USA...

:( Spain usually sucks in hardware :P

[seldomsean]

hmmm this doesn't look like bp pcb (am I wrong???)...

No your right...There not BP...

EDIT: From what i have read there "Specially designed"
by "Subcontractor's" for twinMOS...

They look like BP though

[enzoR]

its definately not JEDEC PCB

[Ulti]

i've asked how much would the shipping be from OC.de to spain, and it's really expensive (around 40€!). For 200€ i can buy some Vx or something like that from USA...

:( Spain usually sucks in hardware :P

I bought a kit from oc.de to, delivery was 30 euro to the Netherlands :S They don't have the Speed Premium anymore :(

[enok]

i bet it's KO-6633 ... like mine TwinMOS DC kit. :D
in fact, i haven't seen any advantage on BP pcb for UTT chips. please correct me if i'm wrong. :rolleyes:

EDIT: i have look the pics more closely... ko-6633 idd. :)

[TEDY]

my new toys just arrived :banana: from overclockers.de
AA4T
04484

happy overclocking :D but only nforce2 board :rolleyes:

come on quickly make some test :toast:

[neuvas]

ahaaa..

10 1GB pairs came in yesterday.. 3 of them could do 230MHz 2-3-2-5 @ 2.85v. Its kinda bulk order for us here at lowyat.net.

[Redskin]

i bet it's KO-6633 ... like mine TwinMOS DC kit. :D
in fact, i haven't seen any advantage on BP pcb for UTT chips. please correct me if i'm wrong. :rolleyes:

EDIT: i have look the pics more closely... ko-6633 idd. :)

you are right, its KO-6633

with cpc on nothing over 225 Fsb is stable, flashed d26 mantaray xt cpc off and got 234 x11 @3.15v,atm.
have to add board has no vdimm=vio mod, only 3.3v rail modded
it's time to buy an a64 and a new dfi board S939 :D

[zakelwe]

Well I just read 58 pages of this and still have no proof this memory improves over VX. Sure, it is cheaper but then you have the uncertainty factor about what you will get and the fact that there may be more unpredictability on how they perform considering the cheapness of manufacture / binning/ production dates.

There are people scurrying about for these with nforce2 for godsake. Eeks.

If anyone can give me 2-5-2-2 at 300Mhz 1:1 with a 3dmark lobby score then I will change my tune. Then I will know it is the next best thing.

At the moment I think this is just mass hysteria for the sake of $2.50.

:D

[Jessfm]

Well I just read 58 pages of this and still have no proof this memory improves over VX. Sure, it is cheaper but then you have the uncertainty factor about what you will get and the fact that there may be more unpredictability on how they perform considering the cheapness of manufacture / binning/ production dates.

There are people scurrying about for these with nforce2 for godsake. Eeks.

If anyone can give me 2-5-2-2 at 300Mhz 1:1 with a 3dmark lobby score then I will change my tune. Then I will know it is the next best thing.

At the moment I think this is just mass hysteria for the sake of $2.50.

:D

Erm where did you get $2.50 from ?

Your also forgetting that this has changed how some ppl list their memory , like my local supplier.
Another plus is the Twinmoss comes in 256 modules too, so ppl who asked OCZ for 256 and got a 'no plan too' can just get a nice cheap alternative.
Another plus is VX is not readily available to everyone, but twinmoss is.

I think all the input ppl in this thread have given means that anyone can go 'armed when they set out to purchase some UTT. Some companies have exploited the situation, as they always do, but generaly UTT is more then 1/2 half the price of VX and does as good :)

[largon]

At the moment I think this is just mass hysteria for the sake of $2.50.

Isn't it this the idea in overclocking: high perf for low $$$.

[Reefa_Madness]

Very interesting news you got there.
See if those mems are really as good as this Twinmos and if they match the AA4T and 44D/50D.
Nice find. :toast:

I am unsure yet as to whether I will be getting any of these. I will know in a couple of days, but in the meantime, I've already PM'ed him in order to try to get the info off the chips.

He also sent me a PM which said that a shipment of Corsairs came in with them as well. It would appear that they are being used by everyone. Should that be the case it will be interesting for the next few months as we test a bunch of value ram.

[Malachia]

my new toys just arrived :banana: from overclockers.de
AA4T
04484

happy overclocking :D but only nforce2 board :rolleyes:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22923&stc=1



where you read AA4T???

[Jessfm]

Very top right of stickker.
The P/n: ends with AA4T

[Malachia]

Very top right of stickker.
The P/n: ends with AA4T


thx, tomorrow i will ask, i find them for 76€ for a stick of 512mb....like OEM lol

[zakelwe]

Isn't it this the idea in overclocking: high perf for low $$$.

Not when you spend 3 hours at $X per hour reading a thread it is not, plus possible time having to RMA it coz it is the wrong week even though that is not what RMA is actually for ;)

Just pointing out the downsides. A lot of these memory threads do end up being the hunt for the Holy Grail, normally encouraged by someone with a non-biased interest.

Then, weeks later, I have to read countless threads saying " Hey, my XXXX memory does not do YYYMhz, do you think my mother is to blame? ..... "

Regards

Victor Meldrew .

[HermS]

Regards

Victor Meldrew .
:lol: :ROTF:

[Jessfm]

Not when you spend 3 hours at $X per hour reading a thread it is not, plus possible time having to RMA it coz it is the wrong week even though that is not what RMA is actually for ;)

Just pointing out the downsides. A lot of these memory threads do end up being the hunt for the Holy Grail, normally encouraged by someone with a non-biased interest.

Then, weeks later, I have to read countless threads saying " Hey, my XXXX memory does not do YYYMhz, do you think my mother is to blame? ..... "

Regards

Victor Meldrew .

Maybe your on the wrong type of forums then.

You should try
www.lameslowassstdhardware.com
or
www. donttrytohelpanyonewithahardwareproblem.com

[Reefa_Madness]

Not when you spend 3 hours at $X per hour reading a thread it is not, plus possible time having to RMA it coz it is the wrong week even though that is not what RMA is actually for ;)

Just pointing out the downsides. A lot of these memory threads do end up being the hunt for the Holy Grail, normally encouraged by someone with a non-biased interest.

Then, weeks later, I have to read countless threads saying " Hey, my XXXX memory does not do YYYMhz, do you think my mother is to blame? ..... "

Regards

Victor Meldrew .


There is a lot of validity to your point. If you go with the OCZ VX, you have several things going in your favor. You know that they are binned and are touted by the reps here to do a minimum of 240 (A64) and they are warranted up to 3.5v so in effect, you are encouraged to ramp up the juice. For that guarantee, you pay a price premium, just like you pay in almost everything around us.

There is another side to all of this, however. Some people enjoy the hunt for the little gems that are all around us. It is the sport of the hunt that gets the hunter out or the fisherman to brave the elements. Here the object of the hunt is different, but its still a hunt. VX is more like going down to the grocery store and buying a premium steak. You get exactly what you want, you don't have to sweat it and you can enjoy it for what it is...a fine cut of beef. No concerns about whether or not you eat tonight.

The hunter or fishermen doesn't know whether or not he will be coming home with a doe or a trout, but if he does then not only will it be a treat, it will also be a story to be shared...the story of the hunt or of the catch. I think the hunt is just as much fun as the feast.

I believe that there is a certain amount of "Story" to these modules as well, after all...Winbond is back!

[seldomsean]

There is a lot of validity to your point. If you go with the OCZ VX, you have several things going in your favor. You know that they are binned and are touted by the reps here to do a minimum of 240 (A64) and they are warranted up to 3.5v so in effect, you are encouraged to ramp up the juice. For that guarantee, you pay a price premium, just like you pay in almost everything around us.

There is another side to all of this, however. Some people enjoy the hunt for the little gems that are all around us. It is the sport of the hunt that gets the hunter out or the fisherman to brave the elements. Here the object of the hunt is different, but its still a hunt. VX is more like going down to the grocery store and buying a premium steak. You get exactly what you want, you don't have to sweat it and you can enjoy it for what it is...a fine cut of beef. No concerns about whether or not you eat tonight.

The hunter or fishermen doesn't know whether or not he will be coming home with a doe or a trout, but if he does then not only will it be a treat, it will also be a story to be shared...the story of the hunt or of the catch. I think the hunt is just as much fun as the feast.

I believe that there is a certain amount of "Story" to these modules as well, after all...Winbond is back!


Yea but this is what get's me...

If anyone can give me 2-5-2-2 at 300Mhz 1:1 with a 3dmark lobby score then I will change my tune. Then I will know it is the next best thing. (as said by zakelwe)




-----------------------------------------------------------
Yea i belive TCCD at those settings(Easy) but...
No Way on VX or any tight super low latency ram(that i know of)


Well (DingDong :banana: )

WTF...Does he think VX will do CAS 2.0@ 300HTT or Mhz

All i can say is...

Get a Clue :stick:

[sparkie34]

Straight from Mushkin:


Hello,
Sorry for the delay in answering your email; we've been extremely busy lately. We currently are working on a product that uses the Winbond UTT chips. I may take a while to launch a product that uses those chips (a few weeks), if we release the product at all. Extensive testing is required to decide what speed and latencies we can spec the modules at and compare that with the pass percentage.

Best regards,
Brian F
Mushkin Inc.

[Jeff]

Isn't it this the idea in overclocking: high perf for low $$$.

That's what it once was, and thank God still is, for some people. Don't let what anyone says get in the way for your hunt for quick, cheap hardware. ;)

You just know there are companies out there who are pis$ed that TwinMOS is selling 256Mb "Winbond" sticks for under $40 and 512Mb "Winbond" sticks for under $80. :D

[enzoR]

yea these things are dirt cheap you can test them find their max before they blow up, then buy new ones or better quality VX.

[tictac]

You just know there are companies out there who are pis$ed that TwinMOS is selling 256Mb "Winbond" sticks for under $40 and 512Mb "Winbond" sticks for under $80. :D

ya... $40 Rules :banana:

[tictac]

Straight from Mushkin:


Hello,
Sorry for the delay in answering your email; we've been extremely busy lately. We currently are working on a product that uses the Winbond UTT chips. I may take a while to launch a product that uses those chips (a few weeks), if we release the product at all. Extensive testing is required to decide what speed and latencies we can spec the modules at and compare that with the pass percentage.

Best regards,
Brian F
Mushkin Inc.

> $50 :slap:

[BeSaiD]

anyone knows where to buy this stuff? I've to pay 200€ if i want them...

for that money i could buy Vx at excaliber shipped, but they are not in stock now... :(

[Techmasta]

I wonder how long these will last (availablity). Any ideas?

[WesM63]

Maybe your on the wrong type of forums then.

You should try
www.lameslowassstdhardware.com
or
www. donttrytohelpanyonewithahardwareproblem.com

No he's where he belongs. A very old and respected member here, just because he don't search for the cheap stuff don't mean he don't know what he's doing.

I agree with him, your getting what you paid for. $37 for a 256mb stick of ram that may or may not do what OCZ VX does.

On a side note, I picked up a 256mb stick to play with. I have no intentions of it doing 260mhz 1T 2-2-2-6, but who knows maybe i'll get a good one. If not i'll just sell it for less than I paid.

Thats how Xtreme Overclocking works ;)

[Reefa_Madness]

I don't think we need to jump down anyone's throats. We all have predisposed notions about certain things, whether computer related or not. I think these modules, along with the Kingston, OCZ, Mushkin, Geil and Corsair...just to name a few, offer us great opportunities and fun. Those that want to play...will and those that don't..can just watch.

I do think that if all you want to do is watch, then by all means watch, but without actual first hand experience (specifically with these ICs/modules) you might want to do less judging on their merits and be less critical of the efforts and motives of the others that are playing.

[Cheffy]

i also have an old (eg 2-3 years) stick of twinmoss. and ive always suspected it of being BH-X.

the way it would run 2-2-2-5 at huge speeds kinda gve it away, coupled with its love for volts, and lack of burning up.

has 2 holes i the middle, and 4 little half moons at edges.

my guess - twinmoss found some more stock of bh5, did a little rebadging, and let it loose. they got a HUGE boost in sales when winbond on twinmoss was available, from people buying for the W. now they do it again. clever people :)

[pik-ard v1.1]

hmm, checking on the newegg page for the 512mb sticks (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1), says ETA is 1/20/05... which is today... i know it used to say 1/22/05... interesting...

[Skip]

um.. jessfm? neither of those links work....


:p

[Revv23]

i also have an old (eg 2-3 years) stick of twinmoss. and ive always suspected it of being BH-X.

the way it would run 2-2-2-5 at huge speeds kinda gve it away, coupled with its love for volts, and lack of burning up.

has 2 holes i the middle, and 4 little half moons at edges.

my guess - twinmoss found some more stock of bh5, did a little rebadging, and let it loose. they got a HUGE boost in sales when winbond on twinmoss was available, from people buying for the W. now they do it again. clever people :)

sorry completly wrong, and ive you had read any of the thread at all you would know, not that i blame you, this is one the the biggest threads on XS....


so to inform you, its winbond UTT, untested chips, maybe based on CH-5 die,
anyways, winbond is producing these now, and they are not only found on twinmos but many other brands of memory as well (ocz for one.)

[Jessfm]

LOL skip

it was not a dig as such.
Its just sarcsim Victor Meldrew style :)
Thought i would return the joke :D

But:
Overclocking has always been about bang for buck; back in the early days we didn’t have companies that would 'specialise' in certain products.
Now we do, I don't see it as a bad thing, but do pls rem that they do what we have all been doing in this thread. Hit & miss, isolate product. Then the recover their costs (plus a good healthy margin to buffer RMA's) by releasing it.
Yes it does take the guess work out of something’s, yes it does make it ' it does what it says but I feel we have 2 types of OC'r.
Passive & active. I don’t go jumping into threads with 'man why have you purchased that, what a crock of Crp that is, you should just buy X product for Y reason.'
But we active OCers that waste our time were the backbone of most overclocking stores. Who needs who now?
Same theme different ideas. I don’t feel on the wrong or right side. I just choose to play, mod, tinker and probably ultimately kill my hardware, probably the same as some Passive OCers do.

:)

[Reefa_Madness]

The fact that we are choosing to play, knowing it has its risks sums up pretty much what I was trying to say. There is no right or wrong way to do it, its just a matter of each person choosing the way they want to do it.

I like playing with it and just trying to get the best out of what I've got, whether or not it is the best that is available. After all, it is a hobby we are talking about here.

[cardnut99668]

M209J16A-TT PC-3200. I assume the dash means it's a no go b/c 4 = winbond or is should a letter be there?

[Reefa_Madness]

That coding is not on the modules or the ICs is it? The one you are displaying appears to be a vendor's generic description. The AA4T that you are looking for is on the paper sticker/label found on the modules on the end opposit the TwinMOS Speed Premium label. The non-Winbond label shows a code ending in AADT, notice the "4" vs the "D".

The winbond modules will also have a digit "4" following the manufacturing date such as 04464 vs 0446D.

[WesM63]

My stick is also

AA4T
04484

Just doing some burn in at the moment, 240mhz 2-2-2-5 w/3.4vdimm.

[vapb400]

is the stuff newegg has what i want? sorry dont have time to go over the thread, its 2AM and im tired!

[TEDY]

anyone knows where to buy this stuff? I've to pay 200€ if i want them...

for that money i could buy Vx at excaliber shipped, but they are not in stock now... :(

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA20923

[zakelwe]

-----------------------------------------------------------



Well (DingDong :banana: )

WTF...Does he think VX will do CAS 2.0@ 300HTT or Mhz

All i can say is...

Get a Clue :stick:


I guess I'm off your Christmas card list ?

If you re-read my original posts you'll see the next thing for me to drool over is faster memory than bh5 / VX is at present and of course this just matches it, at cheaper cost but higher risk. That's all I said, no less, no more.

Unless you have no memory at present or are heavily into benching, rather than overclocking, then I see little point in spending extra money $$ getting memory that will do 2-2-2-5 rather than 2.5-3-3-7 , you are better putting that money to a video card or cpu, because I doubt you will notice $$ difference in game X or application Y.

I do realise though that not going with the crowd I might be laughed at, but the fear of that is not enough to stop me saying what I feel :)

Anyhow, I'll bugger off now and moan about the weather and young people to my mate Grandpa Simpson ....

Regards

Andy

[BeSaiD]

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA20923

But htey don't ship to Spain (or that's what it seems...)

[Jessfm]

Still no 44 shown up in the Uk stores. ?

Wed one rather well with the 50 here, but not seen any SP listed.

[jumperfly]

I've not seen any in the UK, only seen 256MB 50D, has anyone seen any 512MB anywhere that they know is AA4T?

[TEDY]

think we got some TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM ...gotta check it...damn 25km driving :D

and cheap too

50$ 256MB
105$ 512

cheap compared ordering etc...

[Mowgli]

The VTT is usually good to track well up until 3.2v-3.3v, even on the normal IC7, so the booster can help you up to there, the VTT mod isnt 100% neccesary either, you can still run voltages higher then 3.2 with stableness, only maybe not as stable as it would be with the VTT tracking correctly.





really?in that case, i wont owrry too much then....3.3/3.2Vdimm with BH5's shud be good enuff....

btw, u got any official source where i can refer to bout this? :D

[Revv23]

you can probably check the booster compatibility thread, im fairly sure its in there...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39907&highlight=ocz+booster+work

[seldomsean]

think we got some TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM ...gotta check it...damn 25km driving :D

and cheap too

50$ 256MB
105$ 512

cheap compared ordering etc...

Damn Tedy...I feel for you as you have followed this thread the whole
entire time and have yet got yourself some dimms to test :stick:

Good Luck

[Redskin]

I've tested DC, CPC on, not stable with 225 FSB, in SC with one stickin slot 3 running memtest @ 242 x 11 @3.15 vdimm for one our without errors.
(Bios TicTac D26XT)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=23009&stc=1

[seldomsean]

I guess I'm off your Christmas card list ?

If you re-read my original posts you'll see the next thing for me to drool over is faster memory than bh5 / VX is at present and of course this just matches it, at cheaper cost but higher risk. That's all I said, no less, no more.

Unless you have no memory at present or are heavily into benching, rather than overclocking, then I see little point in spending extra money $$ getting memory that will do 2-2-2-5 rather than 2.5-3-3-7 , you are better putting that money to a video card or cpu, because I doubt you will notice $$ difference in game X or application Y.

I do realise though that not going with the crowd I might be laughed at, but the fear of that is not enough to stop me saying what I feel :)

Anyhow, I'll bugger off now and moan about the weather and young people to my mate Grandpa Simpson ....

Regards

Andy

Well andy, I apoligise for sounding like an A$$ in that post and im sure
your reasons are valid for not Jumping at this stuff...

Cheers to you for your post and speaking your mind... :toast:

And yes you will get your X-Mas card next year ;)

EDIT: Send me a PM and i will ship my 256 stick to you for testing
and you owe me nothing... :toast: Here is what i got from it...

[TEDY]

redskin give it 3.3vdimm

you should reach 250-255

[Redskin]

redskin give it 3.3vdimm

you should reach 250-255

I would give 3.3vdimm but it's not possible because there is no vtt mod, I'm going to do this tomorrow. up to now 3.15 is the max vdimm I can give.

[zakelwe]

EDIT: Send me a PM and i will ship my 256 stick to you for testing
and you owe me nothing... :toast: Here is what i got from it...

Nice speed :toast:

You do not have to send me any sticks as I have some 4 on order, I tend to collect RAM like I do nvidia video cards, thanks for the offer though.

Only 300 1:1 2-5-2-2 will get me excited though, that's like Viagra to us old guys with our X year old sticks of bh-5 :D

Regards

Andy

[TEDY]

makes sense yeah....

so dual channel 2*512 not stable even 225mhz only at 3.15 ? that's bad :(

well "burn in" them.....fan blowing etc......GL

[Redskin]

makes sense yeah....

so dual channel 2*512 not stable even 225mhz only at 3.15 ? that's bad :(

well "burn in" them.....fan blowing etc......GL

yo dc not stable at 225, but not munch tested so far, only single channel 242 @ 3.15vdimm with one stick, gonna test the other stick in single channel too.
nforce2 with 2x512 really sucks for me
did burn in already (9 Hours) :D

[TEDY]

only comforts me it's you got sucky mobo and me some ownage NF2 one :=)

j/k ::D

[seldomsean]

Nice speed :toast:

You do not have to send me any sticks as I have some 4 on order, I tend to collect RAM like I do nvidia video cards, thanks for the offer though.

Only 300 1:1 2-5-2-2 will get me excited though, that's like Viagra to us old guys with our X year old sticks of bh-5 :D

Regards

Andy


You do not have to send me any sticks as I have some 4 on order, I tend to collect RAM like I do nvidia video cards, thanks for the offer though.

Thanks Bro...

I see you have been bitten by the "Bug" Also :cool:

Look forward to seeing your result's(Kinda like Gambleing) :banana:


I do know that if "twinMOS" does what there sayin here then this ram
should be "Flooding"the market so to speak so there isnt any rush to
go and order this stuff...Actually it might payoff to wait and see what
happens...

Cheers,
-Sean

[scifikg]

Newegg has the 512 SP back in stock! ----> link (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1)

[sparkie34]

7pm est they only have 2 left in stock. If you want them, NOW is the time.

[WesM63]

My 256 isn't doing so hot, with 3.3vdimm I can only manage 245mhz 2-2-2-5 1T 3.3v memtest stable. However I can bench at 250mhz stable :confused: but it don't pass memtest or super pi.

[sparkie34]

My 256 isn't doing so hot, with 3.3vdimm I can only manage 245mhz 2-2-2-5 1T 3.3v memtest stable. However I can bench at 250mhz stable :confused: but it don't pass memtest or super pi.


Are you able to give it 3.4-3.6v ? That seems to be the sweet spot for these sticks.

[sparkie34]

Newegg has the 512 SP back in stock! ----> link (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1)



LMAO.....7:10pm EST and the last 2 sticks are gone. :eek: :D :p:

[WesM63]

Are you able to give it 3.4-3.6v ? That seems to be the sweet spot for these sticks.


Sure can, well I think anywase, I don't know if this board has any OVP or not. I'll try running 3.6v through it and see what happens.

[pik-ard v1.1]

DAMNIT, missed the sticks, got an instock email at 3:37 this afternoon... got home from work at 8:20, and they're gone.. :(

EDIT: haha! things went back in stock at around 9:10, and i got me 2 from newegg! :D

i just did FedEx express saver, 3-4 bussiness days, but newegg doesnt process on weekends, and they need 24-48 hours processing time, so that sounds like next thurday. tis ok, i dont have the rest of the system anyways. :D

[situman]

well sad to say, I tried max of 3.2vdimm and it didnt get me anywhere with 2*512. I think the AI7 undervolts. freaking thing wouldnt even post if I try even 220 2228 timings. I guess volt modding is really needed for this one.

[Reefa_Madness]

well sad to say, I tried max of 3.2vdimm and it didnt get me anywhere with 2*512. I think the AI7 undervolts. freaking thing wouldnt even post if I try even 220 2228 timings. I guess volt modding is really needed for this one.

Well, you are not alone in your woes. I'm in the process of doing a burn in because I wasn't having a ton of luck right out of the box. No DC at 200 with 2-2-2-5 for me, even at 3.2v! (Correction, that should read at 3.3v, not 3.2v).

I do have another factor at work for me here besides the ram and that is that this is a new build I'm using to test. The OCZ PC2700 sticks wouldn't boot in DC either, and I'm getting Memtest errors with some TCCD, as well. While these Speed Premiums are doing a burn-in, I'm putting together another rig to help determine if it is the sticks or the rig.

On a side note...so far it appears that those back in stock emails go out just after 6:00 pm EST, so if you are in the market for TMSP, keep checking the stock beggining sometime after 5:00 pm. And keep checking!

I am basing that last comment on observing date/time stamp on the "back in stock" posts made here, as well as over at OCF. May or may not be true, but appears to be the pattern.

[$ilver]

some guys @ hardwareluxx.com said , that the UTT's doesnt perform well @ s478 ...

[Reefa_Madness]

some guys @ hardwareluxx.com said , that the UTT's doesnt perform well @ s478 ...

Hipro5 posted decent results on an Intel back on page #5 and another guy, Diablo23RD over at OCF has hit 250 plus with his on an IC7-G/3.2 rig, but yes, most of the better results have been a64 rigs.

The OCZ VX also works better on A64 so there may be something to that. It is very possible that those same sticks that Diablo hit 250 plus on would do 270 plus on A64 and I do believe that hipro's sticks did better on A64 as well.

[Bluebeard]

i also had no luck running 2x512MB TwinMOS Speed Premium 250 2-2-2-5 @ 3,3 on a P4C800-E PAT enabled while they did 260 2-2-2-5 1T on K8N Neo2 also @ 3,3

[Jessfm]

I tested my UTT and burned it in on my P4m/IS7e rig @ 260mhz with DDR booster at 3.4v 2,2,5,2 last time round.

Sadly thats gone, so will have to burn in on main rig now.

[alexio]

Do you guys think my 2*512mb set will be stable 2-2-2-5 at 2.75V 200mhz on my intel S478-rig?

I'm still waiting for the Venice-core untill I buy my new AMD-rig but for now I only have a crappy Shuttle barebone-mobo wich is only stable up to at 230mhz fsb (14*230).

[Jessfm]

not at 2.75 , maybe 2.9 at a push.

*EDIT*
found my sceen of the UTT on IS7e
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/260_3.6v.jpg

[Ulti]

Do you guys think my 2*512mb set will be stable 2-2-2-5 at 2.75V 200mhz on my intel S478-rig?

I'm still waiting for the Venice-core untill I buy my new AMD-rig but for now I only have a crappy Shuttle barebone-mobo wich is only stable up to at 230mhz fsb (14*230).

Nope probably not, my 2x512 set won't run those speeds even at 3.1V!

[zakelwe]

Thanks Bro...

I see you have been bitten by the "Bug" Also :cool:

Look forward to seeing your result's(Kinda like Gambleing) :banana:


I do know that if "twinMOS" does what there sayin here then this ram
should be "Flooding"the market so to speak so there isnt any rush to
go and order this stuff...Actually it might payoff to wait and see what
happens...

Cheers,
-Sean

That's a good point in the last paragraph, mine won't be coming soon as I ordered it with a PCie nvidia 6600 card as well which is not due in to 2nd Feb, so by that time there is a better chance that all older stock will be flushed out.

I always buy new memory that might have a chance ( I even have some TwinMoS Twister which is still sitting on the side after not performaning well ) , it's just that I don't get very excited easily and you are right, this is a gamble :D

Regards

Andy

[mare87]

Hmm.. where did the posts from a person which had a nickname starting on S gone? He was showing the OC of the Winbond UTT at 2.9v and 2.64v.

[TEDY]

mare87 pajo kaj delaš tukaj :)

[Jack]

Hmm.. where did the posts from a person which had a nickname starting on S gone? He was showing the OC of the Winbond UTT at 2.9v and 2.64v.
setyotomo (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=668576#post668576)?

[mare87]

Jesus I thought it was oround the 50 - 58 page :D. Thanks Jack.
Setyotomo can you please test max stable fsb in memtest#5 at 2.9v with timing of 2,3,3,6 ?


Off topic: Sem že en cajt tu gor, samo bolj malo postam, bolj berem ;).

[esdee]

alonso you have PM ;)

[BeSaiD]

i've found some 256 modules with the exact P/N number as Tictac modules and Mtec 50D 04514 chips.

I'm thinking about buying 2x256 because they didn't have 512 modules (i would like to get a gig, but if it's not possible...)

[mcbarnet007]

Mod, please feel free to delete my post if you don't think this is reasonable.

Hey guys, I have a stick of TwinMos Speed Premium 512mb for sale. It is the lesser of the 4 I've purchased from Egg. I know I am not suppose to post FS here but since you guys are in desperate search for them I thought I might just do you a favor. (I can always go to Ebay or just return it to Egg)

AA4T 44D week 46 2-2-2-10 setting all voltage read from DFI NF3 bios
memtest #5 20 loops no error
3.35v 247
3.4v 250
3.5v 254 (wall)

one remark, the chips run very very cool at these voltage. something I thought strange. Price is just cost 78.99 plus 8.25 tax plus 4 dollars shipping from Egg ($90). I'll ship free priority mail with confirmation.

reference http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/traderratings.php?u=11066

if you have 18 or above reference I'll ship first. Paypal add 3 percent.
PM me

[mcbarnet007]

1500 post!!! woohooo.

sorry guys, couldn't resist.

[LilGator]

hey guys, haven't checked this thread in a while ... how are the latest batches of 512MB sticks from NewEgg ... all getting AA4T ?

[pik-ard v1.1]

hey guys, haven't checked this thread in a while ... how are the latest batches of 512MB sticks from NewEgg ... all getting AA4T ?
will tell you sometime next week. ;)

got the order our friday night, but newegg doesnt process orders on weekends, so they'll get it shipped monday i guess, then i'll have it maybe wednesday-thursday.

[Reefa_Madness]

The previous week's batch was all AA4Ts best I can tell. Hopefully this last Friday's batch and all future batches will also be AA4Ts. Of course, based on what Alonso said about TM still using the Powerchip ICs, there are sure to be some AADTs finding their way to newegg's warehouses.

[WesM63]

The AA4T isn't a sure thing, still hit and miss as far as i'm concerned. Mine 256mb stick only does 246mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.6v.

However, could be my board/bios havn't tired it in anything else.

[setyotomo]

Jesus I thought it was oround the 50 - 58 page :D. Thanks Jack.
Setyotomo can you please test max stable fsb in memtest#5 at 2.9v with timing of 2,3,3,6 ?


sorry mare87, i didn't got the chance to try those stick futher, only this screenshot i got left (this uses 2.6v), the sticks are gone.. allready sell it to some friends(while i'm waiting for my 1GB SP arrive :slobber: - i'm using my old tccd back)

http://img186.exs.cx/img186/4788/memtest22026v8lp.th.jpg (http://img186.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img186&image=memtest22026v8lp.jpg)

fyi : with 2.9v 2-2-2-x, this sticks don't do well with 1 T. unless you you use 2T,you'll get around fsb 235~245 with only 2.9v - but it'll take all the fun away :p: :p: coz i can do that with hynix d43 :toast:

here's the 2T :

http://img173.exs.cx/img173/9444/2302221129v2t7nx.th.png (http://img173.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img173&image=2302221129v2t7nx.png)

[vapb400]

ready to order mine as soon as newegg gets them in stock.

[jumanji969]

If I didn't already have 4 sticks of unused bh-5 I would try some of this stuff out.

[setyotomo]

:banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4:

Hold your breath guys, my friend just mail me this result of twinmos sticks that i sell to him .....

a64 3000+
Dfi Lput 250 gb
Twinmos SP aa4T 44D 256x2 @ 2T
Vdimm 3.2v !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/eat_this_resize.jpg

[sparkie34]

:banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4: :banana4:

Hold your breath guys, my friend just mail me this result of twinmos sticks that i sell to him .....

a64 3000+
Dfi Lput 250 gb
Twinmos SP aa4T 44D 256x2 @ 2T
Vdimm 3.2v !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/eat_this_resize.jpg


I would be impressed he he would have at least let it run one full pass. :rolleyes:

[setyotomo]

hehe me too, i'm going to his house tonight.. maybe i can post later with test 5#

[$ilver]

awesome ....

[Garrett]

Now for some 2-2-2-5 1T action @ DDR600 ;)

And of course Dual Channel 2x512mb :D