Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[Entity_Razer]

true. and as you saéid (and I posted) I just wanted to asses my chances.

And because you said I have a pretty good change(and if they aren't those chips then it doesn't matter i'll still have ram that is equal or better then my current ram)

I WILL be cancelling my order and ordering 2x 512MB of that twinmos

And yhea I think your right, I could've responded "nicer" also :)

[alexio]

Has anyone have had some succes with Twinmos Speed Premium on an MSI NEO2 Platinum at 3.5v+ volts?, I mean 270mhz+ with 512mb sticks

I heard of some guys that the vdd gets really onstable on an MSI NEO2 if you boost your vdd to 3.5v+ and because of that the oc decreases, geen anyone confirm this?

In the Netherlands they don't sell much S939 board foor some reason, here is the best selection we have:

http://www.tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/475

Can anyone help me to choose the best board voor oc'ing?, I don't want a board with an pci-expres slot cause I have a nice agp card.

I wish they were selling de DFI s939 board in the Netherlands but they don't for some odd reason.
Maybe I'll buy one from a German or Belgium shop if they sell them, but I don't know of any good/cheap shops.

Can someone please give me a link to a good German and Belgium pricewatch please?

Many thanks !!!

[Nazaar]

belgian pricewatch is dead :(

[Reefa_Madness]

BTW I do not plan on directly buying me a booster so will about 2.8-2.9Volts cut it? :)

They have to reach about 220 mhz and good timings on those volts

thanks in advance!!!!!!!

I don't know that anyone has actually reported results with the TMSP at those lower voltages and if so, I am quite sure that they are closer to the default ratings of 2.5-3-3-7 than to 2-2-2-x.

These chips appear to behave very similarly to the chips used by OCZ in their VX series. I recall from the early VX discussions in this forum, as well as several others, that it was stated by the OCZ reps that at under 3v the VX's timings were pretty much in the value ram range, only after they were hit with higher voltages (in excess of 3.1v or so) did they start to run at 2-2-2 timings. It appears that the sweet spot for them is in the 3.4v-3.6v range, with diminishing returns after that.

[The Stilt]

Just talked with one of our distributors, and he said that they just received a batch that contains 50 pcs of 1GB AA4T kits. Had to take them all :D :D

Demand of these sticks seem to have sky rocketed, since he said that he spoke with one of TwinMos representatives and they aren´t sure when they can deliver next batch of these sticks. Is it true Alonso?

[Jessfm]

Just talked with one of our distributors, and he said that they just received a batch that contains 50 pcs of 1GB AA4T kits. Had to take them all :D :D

Demand of these sticks seem to have sky rocketed, since he said that he spoke with one of TwinMos representatives and they aren´t sure when they can deliver next batch of these sticks. Is it true Alonso?

I hope you have not increased your margins to anything extreme. !! :)

I just got hold of some BH-6 2480D Corsair, its only a single 256 stick but at 3.4v its happy to run 265mhz 2,2,5,2. Hopefuly i can track down another stick

[TEDY]

stilt and what you doing with so many modules ?

[The Stilt]

stilt and what you doing with so many modules ?

What resellers usually do?
:D

[Entity_Razer]

50 modules!!!!!!!! :slobber:


Sweet mother of god =)

LOL

btw it's good to hear that on normal volts they'll behave normally :)

lol

This way I'm not forced to buy a DDR booster because it desperatly needs it's shot of 3.4 volts :D

[trans am]

Jupiler is right. I feel really bad about sending ram back to newegg. I haven't sent it back yet, So i am going to hold on to it for a system I'm building for my friend to edit music. He wants 2x512 for cheap so this is perfect. I personally am done buying ddr for now. I have way too many sticks as it is. :)

[Klisp]

I might do the same. I have some customers that could use it anyway. ;)

[Entity_Razer]

you can always donate your modules that are laying about to me :)

i'll even pay for shipping :rolleyes:

lol

Could use some more toys.

All the toy I have (except my normal setup) is a p3 300MHZ with Linux on it :stick:

[Revv23]

damnnnnnn stilt.


i want bad.

too bad its not SP eh?

[Jack]

damnnnnnn stilt.
too bad its not SP eh?

Supposedly Speed Premium mems have more chance of having winbond chips on 'em, thats all.. (but Alonso said new shipments have PSC chips again)
So what should be the problem?

[Revv23]

SP has a better PCB.

[TEDY]

What resellers usually do?
:D

get cheap sell expensive ? :p:

[choseone214]

If these are $140 a set USA for 2x512 and you ahve a say 25% chance of getting the good chips and then another 25% of getting 260mhz 1:1 max timings sticks.

and OCZ VX is $260 a set 2x512 for a gurt. 240mhz max timings set.

I would pay $350 a set for gaurt. 260mhz 1:1 max timings set. :)

I've been down the road of tring tons of parts for a guart. speed Im after. Now becasue of the time involed and luck and stress I would rather work an extra shift and get something I want without fishing.

But thats just me :)

[jumanji969]

If these are $140 a set USA for 2x512 and you ahve a say 25% chance of getting the good chips and then another 25% of getting 260mhz 1:1 max timings sticks.

and OCZ VX is $260 a set 2x512 for a gurt. 240mhz max timings set.

I would pay $350 a set for gaurt. 260mhz 1:1 max timings set. :)

I've been down the road of tring tons of parts for a guart. speed Im after. Now becasue of the time involed and luck and stress I would rather work an extra shift and get something I want without fishing.

But thats just me :)

Depends, I supposed it isn't that hard to find an online shop which will tell you what their supply has on the memory sticks. Then you just saved yourself $120, I'm all about saving money.

[tictac]

Demand of these sticks seem to have sky rocketed, since he said that he spoke with one of TwinMos representatives and they aren´t sure when they can deliver next batch of these sticks.

Ya.. lets hope TwinMOS increase their Production Capacity :toast:

Maybe hoping for a new revision...

Brain Power PCB + Winbond UTT + Heat Spreader = wont hurt :toast:

[TEDY]

i'm really lucy...my friend will somehow return this AADT ram of mine :D

[Revv23]

Ya.. lets hope TwinMOS increase their Production Capacity :toast:

Maybe hoping for a new revision...

Brain Power PCB + Winbond UTT + Heat Spreader = wont hurt :toast:


heatspreders are over rated, i have tons of them that i pulled off of old rams...

i mean sure they help but i usually put better sinks on anyways.

[pik-ard v1.1]

how well do the AADT OC, for those unlucky enough to get them instead?

[enzoR]

they dont even do 2-2-2 timeings for starters... and at looser timeings they make it to 220mhz or so and they dont like volts

[DaGoof]

One reason I love this ram so much, is because it doesn't have heatspreaders. :D

We'd have to take them off to confirm the chips, anyhow. Memory Heatspreaders are one of my most hated industry trends

[enzoR]

yea screw heatspreaders. that'll just raise price by like 10$ even though they are only worth 1$... once heatspreaders are put on them is ram just becomes so much better for the public. *oooh heatspreaders that must be awesome ram*......

[AMDnewbie]

yes, heat spreaders are junk! i would like bare n let us use our own creative mind to cool it rather than live w something tat we know we must take out but can't because of the warranty..

[Jessfm]

Heat spreaders, more like Chip covers(hide the chips?) :p

I wounder what their intention was realy ....

[enok]

ok, i finally got my 2x512mb Twinmos DC kit, not the SP! :) (they were EXTREMELY expensive... 170€ :rolleyes: yeah, things are a bit expensive here at Portugal)

i was going to take some pics of the sticks (and i probably will) but i think most of you are already bored of the same old pics, so... lest go forward! :D

Chips: | PCB:
04504 | KO-6633
TMD...50D |

at first i had some problems at 2-2-2 (using a 1T BIOS... with 2T BIOS there was no problem at all)... till i remebered to increase vdimm to atleast 3v... and then magic happened!
at 3.05v i raised from 200mhz @ 2-2-2 till 240mhz @ 2-2-2 (that's what i call a good scaleting! :slobber: )
i probably would go much higher but my board got stuck at 244mhz... so i will have to wait for my A64 to really use the full potencial of this magic sticks. (anyone wants to sponsor? :P: )

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/0441876901/twinmos.jpg

[DaGoof]

Nice results, I think everyone here wants a sponsor though :p:

[Skip]

what should i do, get mushkin pc3500 2-3-3 ch-5, or should i gamble on some 2x512MB twinmos SP?

i'm going to be placing the order today, oh well i don't think newegg is in stock on SP 512MB modules, so i wold have to wait on that anyways.

screw the ch-5 i'll just wait for this. oh, newegg just got vx in stock, 250 for 1Gb of it.

[Revv23]

whaaa 1t with 2x512 and only 3v on amd?

is that an nforce2?

[Rabbi_NZ]

enok,
is that 240 @ 3.05v 1T or 3.05v 2T?

It is very impressive either way... my NF7 rarely completed SuperPI 1MB at that speed with 1T... congrats :toast:

[Daytime Dreamer]

Same here enok ... they are burning in on my NF7-S with memtest at 220 FSB 2-2-2-11 at 2.9 Vdim BIOS (3.05 actual). I dont think I cant either go higher on this board cause my stupid northbridge has issues above 220 FSB with any stick :(

Mine are 4514 instead of 4504 ... all the other indicatives are the same ...

Keep up the good work everyone :toast:

[Daytime Dreamer]

would you buy me pair of hand sellected ? i'm from slovenija, so we both in EU ...shipping shouldnt be a problem :)

i can wire € to your international account...pleaseeeeeee


He,he ... the thing is I cant "hand select" them ... I already had trouble with the seller asking him to see the memory modules ... he said "I could damage it if I didnt touch it correctly" :rolleyes: What an ass ... anyway ...

It's 5:14am here in Greece and in 4 hours I'll be hitting the shop again to buy another 2X512 ... (and thats it! - I'm broke for the month now!)

I can go to the store and buy some AA4T like the one's esdee showed on the first page ... other than that I dont know how well they will perform ...

Send me a pm if your interested ... ;)

[Skip]

you know what we all need? for twinmos to have a twinmos direct, like mushkin. They would probably advertise their chips correctly.

[Reefa_Madness]

Alonso, are you taking notes (see prior post :) )?

[Entity_Razer]

thanks to Enok I just orders myself another stick of 512MB :D

Not DC though because they cost 20€ more(160€ total) and because I don't have it on my board anyways =)

lol So this will gimme 1GB of twinmos memory with a cost of 140€ =)

BTW tictac, could you mind looking into something for me?

at the mo I'm using Uberbios v 1006 on my Asus A7n8X-X and my Vdimm's max is 2.9

Is there any way you could "adjust" the bios so I can se say 3.0 or 3.1 volts? :)

[Rancidelephant]

Do we know any more about the Kingston ram yet ?

KVR333X64C25/512 <-- thats a 512mb pc2700 code, does anyone know what they mean ?
KVR400X64C3A/512 <-- since that is a pc3200 module im guessing this wont help us at all
Only the X64 bit or the A may leave a clue ....

DIDN'T the a in the hyper-x mean ch5 ?

Thanks

[enok]

140€? and i paid 170€... what a robery... :(
i have an question to Alonso :P: , SP pcb is from BP (most of them atleast) and the usual DC kit has a pcb from... ? it has 6 layer's just like BP does (like u said before) but is it BP aswell? or is it something else? cause i really am surprised with my sticks, especially for a non-BP pcb.

i have just a little problem here... i keep getting an error on memtest #6, only 1 error.. maybe some burning would help right? but the thing about burning is that u should burn it at max fsb possible (especialy max fsb that sticks can handle, right?) in order to really help you instead of cutting your hability for rising a little more at that given voltage.
should i wait for another system (say A64) to really make a good burning at the supposed max fsb my sticks can handle? is that the best option?

@ Revv23 , yes it's. AN7 rev.1 (i think there is only one rev, lol) with nForce2 and 17de1T BIOS (thanks to enduracell and tictac :P )

@ Rabbi_NZ , 240mhz at 1T 1:1 2-2-2. :) but i have to say that this AN7 really overvolts, so the BIOS 3.05v is in fact almost 3.1v on MBM5. maybe that explains something.
either way i really feel that i could have scaleted even more at this voltage if it wasn't my board.

@ Daytime Dreamer , try given them at least 3v/3.1v at 1T. at that voltage you should raise from 200 to 240 @ 2-2-2 as i did.

@ Entity_Razer , np m8 :)

[Entity_Razer]

lol enok :)

If it turns out not to have those chips I'll just use them as normal value ram but cheaper (my "normal" brand is apacer which is 20euros PER BAR more then twinmos)

if they DO have those chips.....

well people won't see me leave my hous for a few days :banana: :banana: :banana:


First decent ram i'll ever have bought then (always wanted GOOD ram but never could afford it =) )

EDIT: OH boy, OOOOOOHHH BOY =)

I read your comment about your mobo overvolting well.... in Bios my Vcore is at 1.65 and IRL it's at 1.71 in MBM5

and Vdimm also ,when at 2.6 is almost at 2.7 =)

So instead of a max of 2.9Volt i'll have a max of about 3.0 =)

Sweet

dam I want that RAM badly =)

edit2:
if anyone has the same problem as enok meaning kosting a LOT, PM me if the costs for sending it aren't to high (for you , I aint paying it :p: ) and you trust me enough to wire me the money I'll buy it here and send it to you whereever you live :)

BTW hint to enok, if you buy stuff, try to purchase then in US dollars, 1 euro= 1.23dollars or more :)

so if someting costs like 100USD then we'll be able to get it for like 80 or lower euros

sweet hu?

[Bluebeard]

Alonso, are you taking notes (see prior post :) )?

i don´t think this will happen - we have branch offices all over the world

[Entity_Razer]

yhea well your probably right.


BTW alonso, you work for twinmos, right?

what department?

maybe you can "tip us off" concerning what chips those are or for which numbers we shoudl look out (meaning before week... they have them/they don't, and for after week.... vice versa


or is this unknown for you? (would be a shame though :) )

[GazC]

I've fired an e-mail off to a local shop that stocks Twinmos. I'd go and have a look myself, but I'm on my own today :(. If I do not hear anything, I'll check tomorrow.

[Bluebeard]

working in Germany - responsible for European Technical Issues

no idea which modules sold to where - but i don´t get your question...

AA4T newest production (beginning late 2004) is the module (either TwinMOS/TwinMOS, TwinMOS/M.tec or TwinMOS Speed Premium) to look for - that is btw written in this thread many times...

[Reefa_Madness]

Alonso,

Do you know how long Winbond UTT has been widely available, not just in TwinMOS or M.tec modules?

If I find Kingston modules with UTT looking chips and they are dated early 2004 (0417), is there any chance these are Winbond UTT or were they only available to module makers at a later date in 2004?

I've seen some M.tec chips with what appears to look like and test like (and coded like) UTT chips with dates as early as 0430(4) but was wondering if you are aware of TwinMOS or anyone else using them earlier than that in any of their modules?

[The Stilt]

I can assure you that this all is the real stuff.
All kits have week 52 chips so it´s really new stuff, straight from TwinMos.
:D

[Shroomalistic]

The Stilt, how much are you planning on selling them for?



I got another queston for those with 256 stick speed premium...

1. Are they BP pcb or just something similar?

2. Are all the 256mb stick single sided ( chips on one side of stick only)

[dutchman.pt]

The Stilt, how much are you planning on selling them for?


Good question!
If they overclock nicely i would also be interested in buying. :)

[cardnut99668]

So what is the deal with the 512s from newegg?

[Jessfm]

OK Update time :banana4:

Just found these. For UK/EU ppl realy, at www.tekheads.co.uk.http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=603911 I have had a word with the powers that be and convinced them to list the codes of any AA4 they get ;) , currently They have stock of PC3200/256 as the following.
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/mem/AA4TD50_1.jpg
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/mem/AA4TD50_2.jpg

They also have some PC2700 D60 as I had previous.

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601584

This is current stock , they had nothing else that even looked like the stuff we want.

My conclusion so far then:

D60 AA4T - PC2700 , good for 240ish @ around 3.4-3.6v Good
D50 AA4T - PC3200 , good for 250/260 @ 3.4 -3.6v Better
D44 AA4T - Pc3200 , good for over 250 @ 3.4-3.6v Best

D44 on BP pcb is the mutts nuts then. Xtreme

This sound about right ?

(thanks to vassili for clarification of order)

[The Stilt]

Good question!
If they overclock nicely i would also be interested in buying. :)

Pre-tested sticks are tested at 240MHz+ 2-2-2-5 / 3.3V on Intel and A64 (nForce3) platforms by looping Memtest v1.40 test #5 for two hours.
For less returned modules that have failed to run at promised speed, we sell it DDR460 speed. So there is atleast 10MHz tolerance.

Overclock warranty is only valid with Intel 865/875, Athlon 64 and Aopen Pentium M based platforms.

All these 1GB kits that I have tested, have been capable to run at 240MHz 2-2-2-5 / 3.3V. Some kits straight out from the box, and some after little burn-in. These modules will actually burn-in really well.

[Entity_Razer]

dam shop.... they are supposed to deliver within 5workdays and I orders my Ram on theursday last week, but switched the order to twinmos on theusday or such

they haven't even replied to my e-mails, I guess it's time to make a phone call if they don't confirm my change of order.

and even if they didn't change it, where the hell is my ram :)

we're at 6 workdays so fork it over dudes! =)

[Revv23]

and im jealous.

[TEDY]

He,he ... the thing is I cant "hand select" them ... I already had trouble with the seller asking him to see the memory modules ... he said "I could damage it if I didnt touch it correctly" :rolleyes: What an ass ... anyway ...

It's 5:14am here in Greece and in 4 hours I'll be hitting the shop again to buy another 2X512 ... (and thats it! - I'm broke for the month now!)

I can go to the store and buy some AA4T like the one's esdee showed on the first page ... other than that I dont know how well they will perform ...

Send me a pm if your interested ... ;)

did send you PM already

[Skip]

my hat goes off to you jessfm, that is really good work. too bad i don't live there so i can't benefit from your good work. i wish newegg would list if it was aa4t, and either 60,50, or 44d. :toast:

[Negative Design]

is there any way to order from teckheads if ur from US? :(

[dutchman.pt]

Pre-tested sticks are tested at 240MHz+ 2-2-2-5 / 3.3V on Intel and A64 (nForce3) platforms by looping Memtest v1.40 test #5 for two hours.
For less returned modules that have failed to run at promised speed, we sell it DDR460 speed. So there is atleast 10MHz tolerance.

Overclock warranty is only valid with Intel 865/875, Athlon 64 and Aopen Pentium M based platforms.

All these 1GB kits that I have tested, have been capable to run at 240MHz 2-2-2-5 / 3.3V. Some kits straight out from the box, and some after little burn-in. These modules will actually burn-in really well.

Very nice. :)
You got Pm. :toast:

[Skip]

i think i'll email newegg and link them this page showing that they would have tons of people buying the ram if they decided to start showing the p/n and the 60,50,44d.

[Vassili]

My conclusion so far then:

D60 AA4T - PC2700 , good for 240ish @ around 3.4-3.6v = Good
D50 AA4T - PC3200 , good for 250/260 @ 3.4 -3.6v = Better
D44 AA4T - Pc3200 , good for over 250 @ 3.4-3.6v = Best

D44 on BP pcb is the mutts nuts then. = eXtremeIf you mean it this way, I agree.

[Skip]

So i just emailed newegg, i linked them this thread, and also the tekheads site and how they did it because of the enthusiast crowd. Hopefully they will consider it.

For the neweggers here, maybe everyone should send them an email requesting that they do what tekheads did.

[GazC]

A warning to guys in the US wanting to buy in the UK,

You will pay through the nose at "rip-off Britain" prices. Get ready for a shock!

[Jessfm]

If you mean it this way, I agree.

Yes, I think I will edit my post :)

[sjohnson]

Just received a second stick of 256M Speed Premium from Newegg. This is the "new" batch. TMSP400.

P/N M2G9108A8ATTFF081AA4T
Model # M2G9108A-TT

TwinMOS
04464
TMD7608F8E44D

[Negative Design]

So i just emailed newegg, i linked them this thread, and also the tekheads site and how they did it because of the enthusiast crowd. Hopefully they will consider it.

For the neweggers here, maybe everyone should send them an email requesting that they do what tekheads did.


great idea...now we can expect higher prices too :(
I hope no ones reviews this ram either,that also results in higher prices.

[Jessfm]

Would you rather pay a little extra for someone to sort through their stock and send the correct part number though ?
Surely its worth a couple of $$/££'s per stick ???

[Entity_Razer]

I got :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

BP PCB but:

Mtec chips
NO DOTS
0452M
on the chips:
TTD7608FE50B

in everest it say's 5 Nanoseconds ram so that relativly good

I can run it at 200MHZ 2.6 volts at 7-3-3-2.5 but that isn't amazing, I could run my apacer at 8-3-3-2.5 at 2.6 volts so...

No dots, No AA4T, No 50D even.............


pffffffffff
dammit, always happens to me....

well yhea at least I got a gig of decent memory now instead of superb memory

[HermS]

Sterling work JessFM!

[Zyklon5]

Oki here i go:

Got 3*1GB Kits with TwinMOS 50D labeled IC's i was very pleased with the results i got:

1 stick doing 275@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
1 stick doing 270@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
2 sticks doing 265@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
1 stick doing 260@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
and the last one wouldn't run at stock speed 2-2-2-5.

All of these results are a single module without any kind of burn-in, just plug'n'run at 3.6v. DFI Lanparty 250Gb, Clawhammer CG (as reported by CpuZ), Antec TruePower 550w.

With 2 sticks i was able to get 2*512 @275 and the other 2*512@260. Later some screen shots.

[tom_ed]

2 sticks 275 5-2-2-2? Schweet :slobber:

[tictac]

My conclusion so far then:

D60 AA4T - PC2700 , good for 240ish @ around 3.4-3.6v Good
D50 AA4T - PC3200 , good for 250/260 @ 3.4 -3.6v Better
D44 AA4T - Pc3200 , good for over 250 @ 3.4-3.6v Best

D44 on BP pcb is the mutts nuts then. Xtreme

I agreed with this :)

Yeah..... Hoping for

D44 AA4T + Brain Power PCB = TwinMOS VX :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Zyklon5]

Sandra

[HermS]

@Zyklon,

Are they not burnt in yet? and what chips have yours got (D44?)

[sang]

w/o burn in..:) thats the sweet part..

[Skip]

okay, they can keep the prices right where they are at newegg, and then 50% of the people will be getting AADT, so in effect the cost of AA4T is twice as high as maybe it will take 2 purchases to get the right stick. But if they heed our request and make it a tad more expensive, like maybe 85$, we can choose whether we want AA4T, or cheaper AADT.

the whole reason why vx is so expensive is that you know what you are getting ahead of time, while with twinmos it seems like more people are losing on 512MB dimms than winning. 256 seems to be pretty good chanches.

[Zyklon5]

50D TwinMOS labeled.

[The Stilt]

Anyone else noticed that NON Speed Premium sticks use exactly same PCB as Speed Premium sticks? ;)
Maybe thats why M.tec overclocks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, because they use different PCB.

[Rabbi_NZ]

The_Stilt,
when will you be selling the pre-tested 1GB kits?
and what will you be charging?

[TEDY]

zyklon where did you get them ?

i have feeling i won't be lucky getting this ram....

[Garrett]

How long should the modules burn in?

[Vassili]

and the last one wouldn't run at stock speed 2-2-2-5.
Was that Winbond UTT or just a M-tec/TwinMos chip?

[Jeff]

Hey Bennah... have a look at these... ;)
http://www.adventurevision.com/somepictures/TwinMOSx4.jpg

And in case you missed it... (finger pointing thanks to my 4yr old :))
http://www.adventurevision.com/somepictures/TwinMOS-44D.jpg
(all AA4T's btw...)

These were bought from NewEgg.com and shipped from their New Jersey warehouse on Sunday night.

[TEDY]

bah damn lucky fookers....what you gonna do with 4*512 ?

[Playful_Buffalo]

:eek: cream of the crop jeff!

AA4T's + 4.4ns

[hipro5]

I can assure you that this all is the real stuff.
All kits have week 52 chips so it´s really new stuff, straight from TwinMos.
:D


L U N A T I C ............. :D

[Jeff]

:eek: cream of the crop jeff!

AA4T's + 4.4ns

I'd like to take credit for them but they are headed over the pond once I make sure they aren't DOA. ;)

I may have to pick up a few since the price... it's just insane! :bows:

[sparkie34]

Hey Bennah... have a look at these... ;)
http://www.adventurevision.com/somepictures/TwinMOSx4.jpg

And in case you missed it... (finger pointing thanks to my 4yr old :))
http://www.adventurevision.com/somepictures/TwinMOS-44D.jpg
(all AA4T's btw...)

These were bought from NewEgg.com and shipped from their New Jersey warehouse on Sunday night.


256mb sticks right?

[enok]

those pcb's look like mine! tho they are SP! :confused:
can you plz post their revision? :toast:

[BeSaiD]

So, if i want to get some Twinmos Vx i should look for some ic's with TMD....44D and P/n:......AA4T of late 04?

Thank you!

[Rancidelephant]

All people in uk needing this memory.

I have a friend in a pc shop that has just had a twinmos delivery 512 and 256 ;)

I can go and check the stock on saturday and will report back.

I am happy to buy this ram and post it to people but can i get a general idea of how many people would want it and what size modules.

This is quite a small shop without a lot of buying power so it wont be as cheap as the big online stores but i may well be able to get a bulk discount and since they only just got it he isnt actually sure how much he is going to charge :p

I think its min £50 for a 512mb stick and max £60 i think but they will be hand picked :)

Also he is happy to get stock in if he can and knows i will buy it ... a very accomodating chap :). Could someone let me know which distro companies distribute this ram and if they can do specific codes on the ram :) I will pm alonso.

Thanks :)

[Jeff]

256mb sticks right?
Yeah, all 256Mb sticks... forgot to mention that. :rolleyes:

can you plz post their revision?
Only mark on the PCB I can find is KO-6633... is that it? If not, where is it printed?

[BeSaiD]

are they on the speed premium only or we can buy value modules with Winbond UTT alias Twinmos Vx??

Can someone answer my last question, too? I would like to go tomorrow for shopping :P

[Reefa_Madness]

I have tried about 4 sticks of 512mb twinmos ddr400 which is AA4T. But it isn't marked as 50D on the chips, they are marked as 60D. Just above this 60D "-50" is marked as well.

These chips that I have tried does about 270Fsb 2-2-2-6 1T with 3.7vdimm on A64 754 rig.

I also tried 1 stick of 256mb Twinmos ddr400 again AA4T. This memory's chips were as well 60D marked. And it did round about the same.

I almost forgot, the memories which I saw were all M.tec marked ;)

If I remember anything else I'll write back :toast:


In that listing that was provided earlier, showing the various clocks for the 60Ds, the 50Ds and the 44Ds we left off the 60Ds with the "-50" after the date codes (like X-Gen reported in an earlier post).

These seem to do much better than the 240 shown for the "regular" 60Ds. X-Gen hit 270s and Diablo23rd over at OCForums has a set of these and they maxed his 3.2 P4 at 255 with 3.6v and he was sure they had more left.

We might want to edit the list and include these (remember...these are M.tec labeled chips that have the extra code, not the TwinMOS labels).

[Reefa_Madness]

are they on the speed premium only or we can buy value modules with Winbond UTT alias Twinmos Vx??

Can someone answer my last question, too? I would like to go tomorrow for shopping :P

These chips can be found in Non Speed Premiums as well. The critical physical markings are the Winbond circles/dimples, the small hole in the lower left corner and the two bands/staples at both the left and right edge of the chip. Stick on labels will end in AA4T and the chips will have date codes with YYWW4, the "4" being critical, the "D" after the date code in NOT Winbond UTT.

Good luck in your hunt.

[Eljefe62]

I got mine from ChiefValue, they are the aadt's... :(

[TyphooN]

I saw earlier in the thread that transam got the 256 mb sticks from newegg and they were good. I was wondering if anyone has tried the 512 mb sticks from newegg yet and results? i cant find them i must be overlooking if its there. Does anyone know? I really need 2x512 and am using 2x256 of mushkin bh6 right now but want an upgrade :).

[sparkie34]

I saw earlier in the thread that transam got the 256 mb sticks from newegg and they were good. I was wondering if anyone has tried the 512 mb sticks from newegg yet and results? i cant find them i must be overlooking if its there. Does anyone know? I really need 2x512 and am using 2x256 of mushkin bh6 right now but want an upgrade :).


A bunch of people tried 512mb sticks from newegg and got the AADT sticks. :(

[tictac]

Anyone else noticed that NON Speed Premium sticks use exactly same PCB as Speed Premium sticks? ;)
Maybe thats why M.tec overclocks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, because they use different PCB.


Ya.. but not Brain Power PCB

TwinMOS use brain power PCB on AADT not on AA4T? Why? :slap:

[Rabbi_NZ]

Oki here i go:

Got 3*1GB Kits with TwinMOS 50D labeled IC's i was very pleased with the results i got:

1 stick doing 275@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
1 stick doing 270@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
2 sticks doing 265@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
1 stick doing 260@3.6V 2-2-2-5 windows boot + 1Mb SuperPi
and the last one wouldn't run at stock speed 2-2-2-5.

All of these results are a single module without any kind of burn-in, just plug'n'run at 3.6v. DFI Lanparty 250Gb, Clawhammer CG (as reported by CpuZ), Antec TruePower 550w.

With 2 sticks i was able to get 2*512 @275 and the other 2*512@260. Later some screen shots.


From these results I really dont think the BrainPower PCB is that important... OCZ uses BrainPower and does about the same as these modules if not worse so what's the big deal?

[tictac]

are they on the speed premium only or we can buy value modules with Winbond UTT alias Twinmos Vx??

Can someone answer my last question, too? I would like to go tomorrow for shopping :P

yup.. they exist in plain twinmos & the speed premium

with 4 last p/n endded with AA4T :stick:

[TyphooN]

man i really want some 2x512 ram that is bh-5 or this winbond utt, i really hope theres some good twinmos 512 mb sticks :mad:

[Negative Design]

I just got a wild idea! I dont know if this has been said before or if anyone cares lol but I think why not many people are receiving good 512 MB that are AA4t is that the chips are being used by OCZ! and this is why OCZ doesnt use 2x256 mb chips! and these Vx capable chips are being buried in cheap ram and rated 2.5...after all VX is rated 2.5 untill its given 3V and up right... just my 2 cents :)

[Revv23]

lol all the IC's are 32mb, the 256 sticks are 32x8, and the 512's are 32x16.

the ic's are all exactly the same.

[Negative Design]

lol all the IC's are 32mb, the 256 sticks are 32x8, and the 512's are 32x16.

the ic's are all exactly the same.

hmmm..well I stand corrected then :p ...I think :confused: lol

[Zyklon5]

All sticks were TwinMOS 50D labeled (Winbond UTT chips) 2*512 Kits marketed by Twinmos as CL 2.5 (2.5-3-3-8 SPD) with PCB's labeled KO 6633.They were bought in B&M store in my country, Romania that is. Next week i'll try 2 more.

I'm pretty curious if the -44D IC's are any better.

[Daytime Dreamer]

From these results I really dont think the BrainPower PCB is that important... OCZ uses BrainPower and does about the same as these modules if not worse so what's the big deal?

Exactly my thought ... maybe the Brainpower PCB isnt that good when used with Winbond UTT chips ... that's maybe the reason Twinmoss hasnt implemented it in their design on the AA4T chips.

Brainpower is a good PCB design when used with Samsung TCCD but not with these chips maybe ...

However I could be totally wrong about this ....LOL
:p:

[Entity_Razer]

pffffffff

what good is brainpower PCB if you don't have the chips for it? :(

I have 2 bars with Brainpower, but without the dotted, or AA4T chips and it's 50B instead of D.

Can anyone say what I can expect from these sticks? :s

I don't expect a lot of them right now but as they appear to be acapable of riunning 7-3-3-2.5 on 2.6 volts here they have outperformed my Apacer ont imings(but bandwith dropped with about 50MB( But i do have a gig of them (2x512) isntead of only 1x512Apacer ram)


Could they be capable of running a decent 420? :s

I hope so..... Then at least I'll get SOMETHING out of these sticks.... Dam I wanted those winbond chips.... But the problem is, no one in belgium appears to be selling speed premiums :confused:


Otherways I would've gotten speed premium off course

[Rabbi_NZ]

Exactly my thought ... maybe the Brainpower PCB isnt that good when used with Winbond UTT chips ... that's maybe the reason Twinmoss hasnt implemented it in their design on the AA4T chips.

Brainpower is a good PCB design when used with Samsung TCCD but not with these chips maybe ...

However I could be totally wrong about this ....LOL
:p:
It's not that I think the BrainPower are bad... it's just that I dont think they are that great... max overclocks seem to be bout the same on either PCB varient.

PS: Dude! Dont be suprised if people dont respond to your posts for a while after you write them.... that ass in your avatar is sooo sweeeeeet it tends to divert the eye

[BeSaiD]

ok, i will go now to see if i have luck or not. Wish me luck! :D

[enok]

Only mark on the PCB I can find is KO-6633... is that it? If not, where is it printed?

yap, that's it! same here! ;)

[Entity_Razer]

LOl

ok I got BP PCB for sure.

On the topside of my PCB there is something with a B6 something but the end is 808 so it matches the versions I've seen on other fora and here.

Supprisingly, the Twinmos isn't as bad as I thought.... It's running 410 with 7-3-3-2.5 and I haven't tested it further because if I don't give it enough volts or soemthing I have to reset bios and I don't feel in the mood for doing that :)

[dutchman.pt]

Anyone else noticed that NON Speed Premium sticks use exactly same PCB as Speed Premium sticks? ;)
Maybe thats why M.tec overclocks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:, because they use different PCB.
So whats the big difference between the Non Speed premium and the Speed premium ?
The labels ? :D

Got pm. :)

[Entity_Razer]

Who knows.

My RAm bars (non speed premium) with BP PCB's run 7-3-3-2.5 on 2.6VOLTs 203 MHZ ..... that beats my Apacer hands down which couldn't even run 7-3-3-2.5 on 200MHZ LOL

Could you guy's give me a quick test to see what these chips are worth? like if I cna set it to ...... at ... speed it should be relativly ok, meaning i'm not gonna reach 250MHZ or something but I'll still get a decent .... mhz or something :p

BTW

You know those side"marks" on the winbonds?

I have those 2x2 little metal dots or pins also. Maybe wishfull thinking but if you'd just add the 2 "holes"/dots on the top of the IC package it'd look identical to winbonds....

As I said wishfull thinking but those 2x2 dots on each side are on the excact same side as on the winbond IC's.

Is this purely luck (same machine used or something) or is this also one of those trademarks for a certain maker or something?

Well I'm going back to burning those things in here and looking what they can do

[HermS]

The two metal dots can be found on other manufacturers' IC's too. eg TCCD

[Entity_Razer]

Yhea samsung has them also, I know, I looked at my samsung memory (TCCC) and it has the 2x2 dots also, but its dots are closer together and closer to the center.

like this (the "-" is to space things out because with normal spaces ithe picture is a bit screwed up )

|-----.-.----.-.-----|

and with me its like this:

|---.--.------.--.---|

the dots themselves are farther apart and more to the outside edge of the chips

[Jack]

has anybody tested the winbond utt chips @ 2,9V?
or could anybody be so kind? :D

[setyotomo]

has anybody tested the winbond utt chips @ 2,9V?
or could anybody be so kind?

here you go :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/200_22211_29v_1GB_pi.png

cannot higher than that - LOL

[mikead_99]

Sweet screenie setyotomo, lol. :worship: :ROTF:

[Jack]

here you go :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/200_22211_29v_1GB_pi.png

cannot higher than that - LOL

tnx man :toast:

[Daytime Dreamer]

It's not that I think the BrainPower are bad... it's just that I dont think they are that great... max overclocks seem to be bout the same on either PCB varient.

PS: Dude! Dont be suprised if people dont respond to your posts for a while after you write them.... that a** in your avatar is sooo sweeeeeet it tends to divert the eye

Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all.

Yeah, it was voted a** of the year 2004 :banana: :banana: We can all see why!

On to the topic (LOL). I went today and bought another 2gigs of the AA4T stuff ... but that was the last of 50 sticks! That reseller had 50 sticks 2 days ago and now none ...word must be out I guess. He will have a new bunch of Twinmoss sticks coming in ... lets hope its the AA4T stuff ...

[setyotomo]

for low voltage maniac : :D :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/220_26v_1GB_prime_3hrs.png

another one :

comparison with OCZ VX specs : with 2.6v :lol: do you think they used EXACTLY the same chips?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/Sp_vs_VX_LoL.jpg

sorry if i already post this earlier :) :banana3:

[Eljefe62]

So TheStilt, you selling your AA4T's???

I'm not looking forward to having to try buying another set of 2x512....

[seldomsean]

Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all.

Yeah, it was voted ass of the year 2004 :banana: :banana: We can all see why!

On to the topic (LOL). I went today and bought another 2gigs of the AA4T stuff ... but that was the last of 50 sticks! That reseller had 50 sticks 2 days ago and now none ...word must be out I guess. He will have a new bunch of Twinmoss sticks coming in ... lets hope its the AA4T stuff ...


"Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all."

Well you know that Brainpower PCB's have been around Longer than you
think...My EB 3500 is BP808 and so are All the EB sticks...

Maybe you should "Rethink" that statement your makeing ;)

[TEDY]

Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all.

Yeah, it was voted ass of the year 2004 :banana: :banana: We can all see why!

On to the topic (LOL). I went today and bought another 2gigs of the AA4T stuff ... but that was the last of 50 sticks! That reseller had 50 sticks 2 days ago and now none ...word must be out I guess. He will have a new bunch of Twinmoss sticks coming in ... lets hope its the AA4T stuff ...

So you saying all his sticks are cheap "OCZ VX" ?

You told me in PM that they're not SPEED PREMIUM tho....cany ou get any pictures ? :toast:

[esoteradactyl]

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1641&s=1

[enok]

oh oh... i see prices going up! :stick:

[Jack]

"Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all."

Well you know that Brainpower PCB's have been around Longer than you
think...My EB 3500 is BP808 and so are All the EB sticks...

Maybe you should "Rethink" that statement your makeing ;)
Why? Can you clock high with your EB 3500 at 2-2-2-x?

[TEDY]

enok where ?

[Klisp]

So TheStilt, you selling your AA4T's???

I'm not looking forward to having to try buying another set of 2x512....
I feel the same way. If there 2x512 then i'll be interested.

[Eljefe62]

Maybe we should try to set up a group buy somewhere, I'm sure someone will check them before sending out if we have a group of us buying them...

[DaWaN]

Got some nice modules here :banana:
http://home.hccnet.nl/arienap/47.05-2.JPG (http://home.hccnet.nl/arienap/47.05-2.JPG)
But the other one i've got does only 215 2-2-2-5 :(

[Daytime Dreamer]

"Yeah, I havent seen that great of an FSB on brainpower PCB at 2-2-2-x timings ... ok maybe a very rare few cases but thats all."

Well you know that Brainpower PCB's have been around Longer than you
think...My EB 3500 is BP808 and so are All the EB sticks...

Maybe you should "Rethink" that statement your makeing ;)

Dude, dont take it wrong...I'm talking about 2-2-2-x timings ... EB ram is great but not for 2-2-2-x timings at, lets say 250+ FSB ... plus that ram gets VERY HOT at even 3 volts ... just consider giving it 3.5+ volts ... it would make your morning omelete in no-time!
:p:

[Daytime Dreamer]

oh oh... i see prices going up! :stick:

Yup, my reseller sold me the first 2 sticks I bought 69 euro's each and all the others I got for 75 each :mad:

He is expecting a new supply by the start of this week so lets hope they stay at 75 euros per stick and that it doesnt go up more ...

I hope we dont have this BH5 price madness again ... I bought my KHX3200K2 1 gig set for 320 euros a year ago :eek: :rolleyes:

[mcnbns]

plus that ram gets VERY HOT at even 3 volts
Not sure I agree with you there. I run my RAM at 3.3V 24/7 with two 80mm fans pointed in their general direction and it's cool to the touch (I have the heat spreaders removed, too, so I can feel the actual chips).

You are correct about EB's inability to do 2-2-2-X. It will, however, speed along nicely at 3-2-2-X. :) I'd still take a gig of EB over this stuff. Too bad it isn't in production anymore.

(Sorry for the thread crap, dudes.) :slap: :slap: Stereo slappage!

[choseone214]

Well I got my 2x256 set today ok stuff 263mhz fully maxed via a64 tweak at 3.62v, but Its jsut not BH-5 fast maybe if they burn in :rolleyes: . Mine at AA4T sticks Speed Prem. from the EGG.. Now don't get me wrong they are nice, but my hyperx pc3200 does 271mhz@3.62v and my twinmos bh-5 276mhz@3.6v// All In all great ddr, bUt I would like the 2x512meg kit with the exact same chips. :) week 051 chips BTW.

[TEDY]

you gotta "burn in" them and put some cooler top of them....you'll gain 5-10mhz.

[choseone214]

I have a World Class Benching setup ;)All bh-5 I have had to date never moved from burn in , but Ill give'um a day or two.. Already found a buyer I was just living the dream of 280-285mhz maxmax settings :)

[silentbob]

the egg has them in stock! http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0
hurry!!!! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[choseone214]

AADT in pic tho :( not the AA4T

[Negative Design]

AADT in pic tho :( not the AA4T

Newegg doesnt update their pixs :(
may still be AA4T :D

[Reefa_Madness]

I bet they are going to have some major hits.

Let's time this and see how long it takes them to sell out this time.


Edit - 1 hour later

Maybe longer than I thought, as there hasn't been a single post here in the last hour.

I thought that news that they were back in stock at the egg was going to set the house on fire.

What's wrong with you guys? You got a life or something? :)

Actually its good to see that there is more to this group of guys than their PCs. I'm at work headed home so I'm just going to wish everyone a good weekend...enjoy your time off...go see a movie...take the wife or girlfriend out...or both if they get along well.

[situman]

I just ordered two 512mb. Crossing my fingers. Anyone selling an AI7 for me to try? LOL my IC7 isnt modded.

[Reefa_Madness]

I just ordered two 512mb. Crossing my fingers. Anyone selling an AI7 for me to try? LOL my IC7 isnt modded.


Finally...a gambler to join me while we wait for next week's delivery. I've got two ordered myself.

Good luck with your ram purchase.

[jumanji969]

Actually its good to see that there is more to this group of guys than their PCs.

Shh, no one tell him the truth.

[Reefa_Madness]

I heard that!

[enzoR]

its 2 AM here

[tictac]

its 9am here :slap:

[tictac]

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=1641&s=1

TwinMOS BH4 :cool:

[Reefa_Madness]

TwinMOS BH4 :cool:


I think he showed the same picture of a BH-4 module that you shared in an earlier post (#30), didn't he?

Is that like the only known sample? The one below is from tictac's post...it matches the one in the review, coding and all.

Who actually has that module, I wonder?

[situman]

o crap now they reviewing them? Usually stock comes in AFTER the reviews. Great gonna be stuck with crappy ram. Anyone know if the AI7 will track vtt properly above 3.3 with the booster?

[Shroomalistic]

the egg is sold out of the 512 again. Didnt take long at all. It says they should have some back in stock next tuesday.

[situman]

hmm wonder if i might have ordered the last set.

[Reefa_Madness]

I guess I/we just bought some returns, huh?

At this rate they will make a bundle from restock fees, cause that's just what I'll do if I end up with a set of AADTs. They won't even come out of the box.

I guess I've still got time to cancel????

Do I hold or do I fold?

[situman]

lol can someone please answer my question?

[seldomsean]

Why? Can you clock high with your EB 3500 at 2-2-2-x?

No Ofcorse my EB won't do 250+@ 2.0-2-2-x but@ 3.0-2-2-x my point being
that the BP PCB's have showen us some "Nice" Results and i'm sure that there
is a reason why OCZ and every other top manufactures of high performance ram
use them...

Think about it ;)

[Skip]

damn, newegg just got restocked this morning!

i was going to order some tonight.

[Shroomalistic]

well one of my sticks wont do 200 memtest error free at any timing or with extra voltage. the other did 269 right out of the packaging with 3.55volts @ 2,2,2,10 timings.the sticks them self look identical so I dont know whats wrong with the first. But hey, ive been having bad luck so I kinda expected this. Im gonna rma it and hopefully ill get another good one. In the mean time, this ones gonna get a burn in of a life time to it. :banana4:

[tictac]

Lucky you... :)

Give us some screenies :)

[Shroomalistic]

i will once im done burning in but that might take a while

[choseone214]

well one of my sticks wont do 200 memtest error free at any timing or with extra voltage. the other did 269 right out of the packaging with 3.55volts @ 2,2,2,10 timings.the sticks them self look identical so I dont know whats wrong with the first. But hey, ive been having bad luck so I kinda expected this. Im gonna rma it and hopefully ill get another good one. In the mean time, this ones gonna get a burn in of a life time to it

If these are 256meg sticks why not just buy some BH-5 2x256? easier :)

[esdee]

http://www.comexgroup.com/storage/_memory/adata.htm

check this out too guys!

[Shroomalistic]

If these are 256meg sticks why not just buy some BH-5 2x256? easier :)
where can i find a 256mb stick of bh-5 for 40 bucks?cheaper ;)

[setyotomo]

http://www.comexgroup.com/storage/_memory/adata.htm

check this out too guys!

is it just me or the picture of BH-4 ES (maybe Engineering Sample?) in Adata, is the one that tictac n everybody use for comparison these days?

so.. just my quick thinking : the speed premium with 44D (-4.4ns - with AA4T of course) might be the winbond -4 that failed running @250 fsb with default volts?(which is 2.6v) so they just lower the rating to -4.4ns (227fsb)?

[Shroomalistic]

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Bay/8386/SEITEC-5/SEITEC-5.jpg
http://kubokubo.jp/memory/seitec_pc3200_512mb/01.jpg

besides the markings on the ic's, these look identical to the twinmos speed premiums. sam pcb and all. this a pic from a japanesse web site from over a year ago.

http://kubokubo.jp/memory/seitec_pc3200_512mb/seitec.html

[Reefa_Madness]

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From the looks of that copied text it would appear to be a Winbond IC with a year 2003, wk 40 date code. Pretty close to the end of original Winbond's production, wasn't that?

[GazC]

http://www.comexgroup.com/storage/_memory/adata.htm

check this out too guys!

That page is old, I posted a link to it over a year ago. Adata are definatley not producing BH-4 sticks.

I'd love to be wrong though ;)!

[TEDY]

256mb sticks from newegg are 100% winbond utt ?

[Reefa_Madness]

256mb sticks from newegg are 100% winbond utt ?

So far everyone getting the SP 256 modules has reported UTT and I think that holds true for the non SP, as well. The only difference being that the non Speed Premiums use M.tec labeled chips and no Brainpower PCB.

[Daytime Dreamer]

Jst took some photos of my 512mb sticks ... I have another 2 which are in my system! :D

All same week, AA4T, 50D and soon to be checked ...

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/1343/twinmoss19my.jpg

http://img149.exs.cx/img149/6302/twinmoss21ma.jpg

:toast:

[enok]

good stuff! ;)

[enzoR]

cant wait for the results

[Reefa_Madness]

good stuff! ;)

I am a little unclear about your response...are you talking about his ram or are we back on his avatar???

They both look mighty fine!

Where can the rest of that pictorial on Miss A** of the Year be found?

[jack_tung]

http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/7.jpg

This is winbond UTT.
This is kingston laber.
And it has the feature of winbond.
It can support high voltage.
This package is hotless.
:p:

[enok]

I am a little unclear about your response...are you talking about his ram or are we back on his avatar???

They both look mighty fine!

Where can the rest of that pictorial on Miss A** of the Year be found?

LOL... idd!!!! :D :toast: :banana:
i wonder how much OC i would do to that a**! :slobber:

[back on topic]are u sure that's Winbond chips? nevertheless, i bet that pcb sucks![/back on topic]

[jack_tung]

ddr400 2-2-2-5 can pass
ddr466 2-3-2-5 can pass
You know the CH-5 or bh-05?
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/4.jpg
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/6.jpg
If I have the High voltage motherboard(DFI_LANPARTY)
OR OCZ Product,I can show more picture in the ddr500 2-2-2-5.

[jack_tung]

ddr400 2-2-2-5 can pass
ddr466 2-3-2-5 can pass
the CH-5 or bh-05?
Kingston :banana: :banana:
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/4.JPG
http://myweb.hinet.net/home13/hairart/6.JPG
If I have the High voltage motherboard(DFI_LANPARTY)
OR OCZ Product,I can show more picture in the ddr500 2-2-2-5.

[enzoR]

LOL... idd!!!! :D :toast: :banana:
i wonder how much OC i would do to that ass! :slobber:

[back on topic]are u sure that's Winbond chips? nevertheless, i bet that pcb sucks![/back on topic]

that pcb looks pretty good. same idea of brainpower. short signal traces and good ground covers

[enok]

how much voltage to do that?

maybe it's a good pcb... but it still reminds me my Golden Dragon... :mad: (with bad scores at nForce2)

[Daytime Dreamer]

I am a little unclear about your response...are you talking about his ram or are we back on his avatar???

They both look mighty fine!

Where can the rest of that pictorial on Miss A** of the Year be found?

check your pm
:D

[Garrett]

Jst took some photos of my 512mb sticks ... I have another 2 which are in my system! :D

All same week, AA4T, 50D and soon to be checked ...

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/1343/twinmoss19my.jpg

http://img149.exs.cx/img149/6302/twinmoss21ma.jpg

:toast:239 tops here... same chips :(
Hope you get more outta them :toast:

[Reefa_Madness]

If you don't mind...239 on what platform..voltage, other particulars such as where purchased?

[Bennah]

Hey Bennah... have a look at these... ;)
http://www.adventurevision.com/somepictures/TwinMOSx4.jpg

And in case you missed it... (finger pointing thanks to my 4yr old :))
http://www.adventurevision.com/somepictures/TwinMOS-44D.jpg
(all AA4T's btw...)

These were bought from NewEgg.com and shipped from their New Jersey warehouse on Sunday night.

They sure look sweet :toast:

I wonder If I 'need' anymore :D

[alexio]

Would removing the stickers help to cool the ram down a bit?

[Reefa_Madness]

The paper stickers/labels on the ICs? I can't see them trapping much, if any, heat so I doubt there would be any difference in temps. If you're worried about heat, add a fan to blow over the modules.

Is there a consensus on these as far as heat generated? Hipro5 stated that the ones he tested ran cooler than bh-5, but I can't remember what others have reported. How about some comments on temps...even if it is just how they feel to the touch, cool, warm, hot, or on fire? Of course this will vary with the amount of voltage they are being fed, so how about including that in any comments you make on temps.

[Jessfm]

they only feel warm to touch on mine, the BH6 i ran was HOT to the touch.
same volts same settings.

[enzoR]

my CH-5 run cold no matter what.

[jumperfly]

mine run slightly warm to the touch with 3.3v (max of board), temp probe never goes above 30-35'C when held against it, this is without any fans purposely placed to cool the ram

[Jessfm]

If anyone is tested I will get my Temp probe out and check, but its a bit of messing about

[choseone214]

my CH-5 run cold no matter what.

DITO!! 260mhz max timings 3.5v and warm if that to the touch. :)

[enzoR]

yea even with 4.2v...

[situman]

Jst took some photos of my 512mb sticks ... I have another 2 which are in my system! :D

All same week, AA4T, 50D and soon to be checked ...

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/1343/twinmoss19my.jpg

http://img149.exs.cx/img149/6302/twinmoss21ma.jpg

:toast:

these dont look like speed premiums

[Bennah]

They're not. Just regular twinmos.

[Daytime Dreamer]

239 tops here... same chips :(
Hope you get more outta them :toast:

I have another set which maxes out at 220 FSB 2-2-2-11 at 3.05 volts (2.9 in bios) Its the same as these sticks but sticks differ even if the same. How much juice did you give yours? Damn I dont have a mobo that supplies much vdimm neither a OCZ booster. I wish I could give them 4 to 4.2 volts to see what I get from them. :devil:

[Daytime Dreamer]

Nope ... not speed premium. Although Hipro got some amazing results on exactly these sticks ...

[Daytime Dreamer]

Off topic:

Everyone seems to keep sending me pm's about my avatar :D

google this: a** of the year 2004

It's the first match ... 92 pics enjoy people! :slobber: :D

On topic: Whats the max FSB people with the speed premium have gotten?

[sjohnson]

Speed Premium or not, DT's sticks should be great. Notice the 50D marking on the modules.

My SP are barely warm at 3.3, 256 FSB 1:1. No need for any extra air cooling, tried it and it didn't help, not for me anyway.

[Jeff]

They sure look sweet :toast:

I wonder If I 'need' anymore :D

Just let me know before Monday or Tuesday of next week because that's when I'm planning on sending these out the door. (I still need to do a Vdimm mod on another PC-DL before I test these to 233MHz)

:toast:

[TEDY]

they're not speed premiums......

[TEDY]

Nope ... not speed premium. Although Hipro got some amazing results on exactly these sticks ...

what did hipro got with them ?

[Reefa_Madness]

TEDY,

Here you go.

Hi there guys and HAPPY NEW YEAR...... :toast:


Now........Testing those two modules I was quit amazed I could say...... :D

They ACT like BH-5 modules BUT COLDER.......on an INTEL rig....... ;)

With 3.2Vdimm(provided by the DDR Maximizer - clean power - :D .....they reached over 240MHz at Cas 2 - 5 - 2 - 2.........NONE CH-5 chips works at those settings on an INTEL rig so I believe that they are NOT equiv. to CH-5 chips........ ;)

Twinmos 2 x 512MB UTT on an ABIT AS8 Mobo with the 865 chipset.......at 3.55Vdimm....

PAT = Disabled

Timings :

2 - 5 - 2 - 2
32M
Auto
Normal
4
Enable
Disable

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_1_png.png

The funny here is that the cpu-z shows "crazy" product date...... :D

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_2_png.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Twinmos_UTT_260MHz_3_png.png


.......and these are 2 x 512MB BH-5 chips for comparison.......at the same config....... ;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/BH-5_512MB_1_png.png


ALL I have to say is : Twinmos with the UTT chips = BH-5 chips........ ;) :)

[TEDY]

pretty good with 3.2vdimm....240 2-2-2-x....i guess with 3.3vdimm 245-250...which is not too shabby....thanks reefa...

question for everyone

does 512 modules work nice 1T/CPC ON ?

[Bennah]

Just let me know before Monday or Tuesday of next week because that's when I'm planning on sending these out the door. (I still need to do a Vdimm mod on another PC-DL before I test these to 233MHz)

:toast:

I think 4 is enough for now, got some bills to pay :D

[Garrett]

If you don't mind...239 on what platform..voltage, other particulars such as where purchased?MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum with 3.3v=vdimm mod :)
3.3v or 3.6v did not matter.
My BH-5 can do 270 with 3.6v...
I do need 20mhz (40ddr) less for the same bandwidth though...
236fsb would result in 6900mb/s and with the 2x256BH-5 I'd need 256... but since I can't get over 239 it's not really a wonderful result ;)

[Shroomalistic]

this is what im at so far, with just an 8 hour burn in

[seldomsean]

this is what im at so far, with just an 8 hour burn in

Very Very Nice...

Can i ask ..What Bios your on ??

I was where your at untill i flashed to 10/15W Memtest86...Now i can barely
get 235@2.0-2-2-5 with the same bios i was on...9/14

[Skip]

holy crap daytime dreamer, nice icon you got there! oh, i guess everyone is saying that then ....

i'm going to be ordering some of this on monday, if its in stock at newegg, the speed premiums that is.

they responded to my email about marking whether or not its AA4t on the website.

Dear Customer,

Thank you for your suggestion. We really appreciate it. We are aware that there is always some room for improvement, which is why we value your thoughts. Rest assured that your feedback will receive the attention it deserves and Newegg will continue striving to offer high quality products at low, affordable prices and only the finest in customer service. Meanwhile, I have forwarded your thoughts to my supervisor to review. She will share your input with the appropriate parties who will in turn take any action required to remedy the issue, if they deem it necessary. Thank you in advance for your support.

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Newegg Customer Support
( Tel: 800-390-1119
) Fax: 909-395-8907



-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rausch [mailto:abrausch@rauschconstruction.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:48 AM
To: cs.service.wh1(ne).us
Subject: Concerning the sale of a product


Many computer enthusiasts have been very excited about Twinmos Speed
Premium pc3200 lately. Many of them that live in the US are buying this
memory from newegg. The only problem is that there is a discrepancy in
the product numbers and that there are 2 different types of Speed
Premium floating around. 1 which ends with a product code of AADT, the
other which ends with AA4T. People are interested in getting the AA4T.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49229&page=1&pp=25

that is a 43 page thread about twinmos memory, with thousands of
replies. Hopefully you see that if Newegg starts advertising the two
sticks as AA4T and AADT, many people will be very happy. One member at
the forum convinced Tekheads.co.uk to do this and now that site is
getting tons of order from their UK and Ireland constituents.
http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=603911

notice they also advertise the "50D" this is also important to us, as
there is 3 types, 60D, 50D, and 44D. It would mean so much to your
customers if you could advertise more than one speed premium and break
it up into the products codes and rated speeds.

Regards,
Loyal Newegg customer


-- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.11 - Release Date: 1/12/2005

[GazC]

An automated response if I have ever seen one or maybe Nancy just pressed the "send default fob-off e-mail" button after you totally baffled her ;)

The ammount of people who work for these places who know sweet FA is staggering.

[Shroomalistic]

Very Very Nice...

Can i ask ..What Bios your on ??

I was where your at untill i flashed to 10/15W Memtest86...Now i can barely
get 235@2.0-2-2-5 with the same bios i was on...9/14

I think im back on the 9/14 also. not too sure tho. I did flash back to it after the 10/15 so I know im not on that.

[Skip]

it wasn't an automated response, but it probably was a response taken from a template. i have written to them before and they definitely didn't give me that response. i'm guessing itw as a template.

[tictac]

this is what im at so far, with just an 8 hour burn in


Congrats

That is new World Record for TwinMOS UTT :)

[Negative Design]

I must of missed something :confused" didnt shroomer have AADT? :confused:

[enok]

this is what im at so far, with just an 8 hour burn in

how much vdimm did u use on that burn?

[Reefa_Madness]

I must of missed something :confused" didnt shroomer have AADT? :confused:


No. He had ordered two 512 TMSP from newegg, then cancelled and ordered the 256 sticks (Speed Premiums as well). He received AA4Ts. So far I don't know of anyone ordering 256 TMSP from newegg that has not gotten AA4Ts.

[Negative Design]

No. He had ordered two 512 TMSP from newegg, then cancelled and ordered the 256 sticks (Speed Premiums as well). He received AA4Ts. So far I don't know of anyone ordering 256 TMSP from newegg that has not gotten AA4Ts.

oooh ok I see lol,smart move on his part and sweet Oc :toast: :banana:

Im definitely gonna get some of those :D

[Shroomalistic]

how much vdimm did u use on that burn?

3.65 for the burn in, i would go higher but the OVP kicks in.

[TEDY]

Ovp ?

[CTKP]

over-voltage protection

[Bennah]

this is what im at so far, with just an 8 hour burn in

Nice work, but only single channel. Try DC and see what you get then.

Im still waiting for the 280fsb stable mark to be done thru sp 1mb or 265+ thru 3d mark 01 @ 2-2-2-x :D Might not be able to be done.

Highest FSB I could get on my P4 would be 265 range. Really need an A64 winnie / FX or 2.4C to go for some high fsb.

[Jack]

i have 3x 1gig Speed Premium dual kits on the way from overclockers.de
all AA4T 44D chips :banana:

i'll give them some 3,8V luvin' next week :D

[Bennah]

oh, now thats what we want to here... some xtreme voltages :D

[Reefa_Madness]

Nice work, but only single channel. Try DC and see what you get then.

Im still waiting for the 280fsb stable mark to be done thru sp 1mb or 265+ thru 3d mark 01 @ 2-2-2-x :D Might not be able to be done.

Highest FSB I could get on my P4 would be 265 range. Really need an A64 winnie / FX or 2.4C to go for some high fsb.

I believe that he got one bad stick so he can only do SC right now.

[TEDY]

i have 3x 1gig Speed Premium dual kits on the way from overclockers.de
all AA4T 44D chips :banana:

i'll give them some 3,8V luvin' next week :D

what was price ?

160€....hehe

Dieses Produkt ist derzeit nicht lieferbar ?? = out of stock ?

[GazC]

i have 3x 1gig Speed Premium dual kits on the way from overclockers.de
all AA4T 44D chips :banana:

i'll give them some 3,8V luvin' next week :D

I wish my German was better, I'd order some :(

[Jupiler]

I wish my German was better, I'd order some :(

If you need some help while ordering, drop me a PM.
My german isn't that bad, I can help if needed.

[TEDY]

http://www.overclockers.de/images/produkte/1498_3970.jpg

on the pic

TWINMOS
0430D

does that make any sense ? :confused:

and i dont see any dots ?

[GazC]

http://www.overclockers.de/images/produkte/1498_3970.jpg

on the pic

TWINMOS
0430D

does that make any sense ? :confused:

uh-oh......

[TEDY]

i have 3x 1gig Speed Premium dual kits on the way from overclockers.de
all AA4T 44D chips :banana:

i'll give them some 3,8V luvin' next week :D

let us know ok....what was shipping ?

[Jack]

what was price ?

160€....hehe

Dieses Produkt ist derzeit nicht lieferbar ?? = out of stock ?
youre right, Dual kits are out of stock.
But there are still 512mb speed premium modules for sale, 79,90 euro each with AA4T 44D markings on it.
international shippingcosts, when payed in advance, are 20,- euro

*NEU* 512 MB TwinMOS Speed Premium PC3200 CL 2.5 (http://www.overclockers.de/produkt.php?pid=1498&kat=218)

Anmerkungen:
PN Nummer endet auf AA4T
Chips enden auf 44D

PN Number ending on AA4T
Chips ending on 44D
if you need help ordering from overclockers.de, you can always drop me a PM :)

TWINMOS
0430D

this mem has PSC chips, not winbond

[TEDY]

yeah but isnt PSC chips not WINBOND UTT ?

[Jack]

yeah but isnt PSC chips not WINBOND UTT ?
No, those are completely different chips!
psc chips are p.o.s. and winbond utt chips are great :D

[Bennah]

http://www.overclockers.de/images/produkte/1498_3970.jpg

on the pic

TWINMOS
0430D

does that make any sense ? :confused:

and i dont see any dots ?

There are dots there Im sure... They are 44D IC's.

EDIT: AADT code, hm could be wrong. Could of found some other speed premium going around.

[Shroomalistic]

Nice work, but only single channel. Try DC and see what you get then.

Im still waiting for the 280fsb stable mark to be done thru sp 1mb or 265+ thru 3d mark 01 @ 2-2-2-x :D Might not be able to be done.

Highest FSB I could get on my P4 would be 265 range. Really need an A64 winnie / FX or 2.4C to go for some high fsb.

Yeah, one of my sticks are crap and wont run at rated speeds. Also, my DFI UT is the only board that I have that will push the ram that high and its a single channel board. I was able to get a little higher this morning after another 8hour burn in. One more burn in tonight and Im done.

[Bennah]

Good work there Shroom on the burn in.

You just loop sandra for a few hours or so ?

[Shroomalistic]

For burn in , I run memtest86 test #5 for 8 hour periods(usually when I sleep or go to work) I wish I could give this stuff more voltage. Does anyone know how to by pass OVP on these DFI UT's?

[mikead_99]

For burn in , I run memtest86 test #5 for 8 hour periods(usually when I sleep or go to work) I wish I could give this stuff more voltage. Does anyone know how to by pass OVP on these DFI UT's?

You get limited over around 3.6V only because you have to be able to boot a bit lower than that. Once you have booted you can raise the VDimm as high as you want. With mine I would set VDimm to say 3.7V in bios, but lower my +3.3V rail low enough to keep the Dimms at 3.55V. Once I booted I raised the rail and got the 3.7V I set it to in bios.

[situman]

such a hassle.

[sjohnson]

Speaking of dual channel, my bh-5 loses FSB, going from 257 SC to 253 DC (completely error free, memtest #5). Makes sense, NF2 boards don't do DC as well as SC.

But my new sticks of SP, one of which does 251 #5 error free and the other of which does 257 #5 error free SC, require a drop to 240 when the pair is in DC. I've played with nearly every setting and memory slot combo available, without being able to run over 240 with these sticks.

Anyone else seeing a "large" hit going from SC to DC on TwinMOS SP?

[Bennah]

You would get better clocks SC than DC period on any platform.

Shroom you do need more voltage. I can smell 3.8v :D

[situman]

you mean u didnt expect this?

[sjohnson]

Gentlemen, my question was regarding the larger loss using SP than using BH-5. Not that the loss occurred ;)

I was asking the question to help determine whether the larger loss was a fluke or a characteristic of SP. Does anyone else have any benches comparing the SC/DC loss?

[enok]

@ Shroomalistic, but u burn it preferentialy error free? or just increase voltage and burn it till errors disappear?
i'm not sure how to do with mine. :)

@ sjohnson, have u tried a different bios?!

[sjohnson]

@enok, I'm accumulating BIOS', my CD full of Hellfire, Merlin, Oskar, DFI etc BIOS got stepped on and ruined. DFI Infinity, shame that hellfire.enclavenet is 404 for a week now. But, I hear you! :up:

[Shroomalistic]

@ Shroomalistic, but u burn it preferentialy error free? or just increase voltage and burn it till errors disappear?
i'm not sure how to do with mine. :)

@ sjohnson, have u tried a different bios?!

just increase voltage and burn it till errors disappear

[Shroomalistic]

@272 I kept getting a single error identical on each pass at 150.6mb. So I change the range just to test 149mb-151mb and did about 1000 passes. No more error there now even at 274. Right now Im stuck at 275 with about 2 errors every 6 or 7 passes. So tonight I will leave it burning in at about 278 or 279 for 8 hours again.

[GazC]

If you need some help while ordering, drop me a PM.
My german isn't that bad, I can help if needed.


Thanks for the offer, but I used cut & paste to get through the order with Babel fish.

Just one question though @ Jack.

I placed the order with overclockers.de , but was not given any option to pay, is that normal? :confused:

[Jupiler]

Sounds strange to me.
When you click "Warenkorb" (=basket), a new screen will open and give you the shipment and payment options.
Did you get that screen?

[Jack]

Thanks for the offer, but I used cut & paste to get through the order with Babel fish.

Just one question though @ Jack.

I placed the order with overclockers.de , but was not given any option to pay, is that normal? :confused:
When you click on the 'Warenkorb' icon on the left, you go to the page that shows whats in your shopping cart.
There you have to click 'Bestellen' to proceed.
The page that comes then displays the different shippingmethodes.
Also there you have to choose 'Vorkasse' or 'Nachnahme',
which means Pay in advance or pay the mailman.

If you chose to pay in advance, the required info for wiring the money will be emailed to you.

[Entity_Razer]

hey! my memory is doing better then expected. Since I don't feel it's worth it's own thread in the bandwidth forum I thought I'd post it here.

Although I don't have AA4T's (crappy AMT's)

I got a decent 240MHZ out of them on 6-3-3-2.5T (won't boot on 6-3-3-2T).
this being on 2.9Volts.

So, although this ram isn't doing 5-2-2-2 I don't think this is to shabby neither so people, if you have AMT's or such, don't chuck'm out. They have Brainpower PCb's which appear to work nicly for them.

You can still get decent overclocks out of them but off course don't expect übertimings and speeds of 270MHZ or something.

I know my overclock of the FSB isn't all that super (still stability testing with prime before I continue to push it further) but it's something.

[GazC]

When you click on the 'Warenkorb' icon on the left, you go to the page that shows whats in your shopping cart.
There you have to click 'Bestellen' to proceed.
The page that comes then displays the different shippingmethodes.
Also there you have to choose 'Vorkasse' or 'Nachnahme',
which means Pay in advance or pay the mailman.

If you chose to pay in advance, the required info for wiring the money will be emailed to you.


Worked it out now, thanks. I just found it odd that there was no Visa option.

[Jack]

Worked it out now, thanks. I just found it odd that there was no Visa option.
well, creditcard payments are not that common...
you also won't find many shops with a visa option in Holland.

[TEDY]

20€ shipping even if i order 10 modules ?