Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[The Stilt]

Guys, really spoke too early :D

First when I tested these sticks on Intel platform, 200FSB with 2-2-2-5 settings was extremely unstable. Now I started to test again these stick with memtest, this time on DFI 875P-T LanParty. I found out that Refresh Mode at 64µs (ICH offset 69 = 53 instead of default 52 aka 7.8µs) will kill completely overclockability of these sticks. With 64µs selected these sticks gave hundreds of errors in memtest no matter what the voltage was. After setting refresh mode to Auto (7.8µs) these sticks really started to fly :D

I was able to run benches at 255FSB 2-2-2-5 / Turbo - 7.8µs - 70µs - Enabled - Enabled - Disabled (CPC) - Enabled with only 3.45V :D

I disabled CPC because memorycontroller doesnt like to run it on over 245FSB ;)

http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/SPI1M-255FSB.jpg

http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/Sandra2005_Unbuffered.jpg

Sandra unbuffered takes quite big hit when refresh mode is 7.8µs instead of 64µs and CPC is disabled. After VAGP mod I should be able to run CPC on ;)

Going to try higher voltages tommorrow ;)

[Bennah]

The Stilt, very good results there :toast:

7.8µs - 70µs whats this ? How can I change it on a AS8. My Mushy BH-5 with auto performance settings gets to 240fsb w/ 3.2v but no higher stable :( Ive also tried with CPC off but it doesnt help any.

[The Stilt]

The Stilt, very good results there :toast:

7.8µs - 70µs whats this ? How can I change it on a AS8. My Mushy BH-5 with auto performance settings gets to 240fsb w/ 3.2v but no higher stable :( Ive also tried with CPC off but it doesnt help any.

You can change it with 865 Tweaker or Pmem.
865 Tweaker (http://www.cpuid.org/download/Tw865.zip)

BH-5 sticks doesnt mind about the refresh value, so that probably wont gain anything.

[GazC]

:stick:

I have a twinmos ddr333 memory. Which has Mtec 60B chips. And looks as the same as the one in the pic. The weak/year is 0325D

Does anybody know what these chips are? It's definitely not Winbond :D

Thx


That looks like a Mitsubishi Chip to me, here's a good little site for ram IC spotters :)

http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/TENJIKAN-DDR.htm

[Bennah]

You can change it with 865 Tweaker or Pmem.
865 Tweaker (http://www.cpuid.org/download/Tw865.zip)

BH-5 sticks doesnt mind about the refresh value, so that probably wont gain anything.

Thanks. Nice little piece of kit.

Settings are already @ 70µs / 7.8µs / disabled.

Dont think im gunner get any higher without a good burn in and more voltage.

[Jessfm]

Well been playing with the Twinmoss (PICTURE LINK (http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/CIMG0153.JPG)) and just can't get them to play ball in the Neo2 like I can on the Intel P4m/IS7 setup( Twinmoss UTT , IS7 & P4m LINK (http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/260_3.6v.jpg) ).

Maximum i can get is 230mhz 2,2,5,2 1T . I know I have boot issues with Vmem (on DDR booster) set > 3.4v , but stability is just not the same. Maybe this will improve with a different NF3 board , but ill hold onto these and wait for the DFI NF4 to become available.

[X-GeN]

Thanks. Nice little piece of kit.

Settings are already @ 70µs / 7.8µs / disabled.

Dont think im gunner get any higher without a good burn in and more voltage.

:confused: Could you explain please :toast:

[TEDY]

burn in = running memtest #5 for 30-45minutes till you get few errors, leave it running 6 hours....

bump up 5mhz and redo it again....keep ram cooled with some 80mm fan above them.

[Bennah]

I usually keep sandra mem bandwidth benchies looping for a few hours and gaming helps alot too...

[GazC]

I usually keep sandra mem bandwidth benchies looping for a few hours and gaming helps alot too...

Gaming does make for a pretty good burn in, an RTS like Warhammer 40K : DOW really taxes the CPU for instance.

I used to do burn in like that. I'd set it to a stable overclocked speed, but set the voltage higher than it was needed. This certainly helped. It was also usefull for helping thermal paste bet in on a new build..

[X-GeN]

Guy's what do you say for 2x512mb OCZ Enhanced Latency ??

What could this memory do :confused:

[enok]

-> "Xtreme Twinmos Memory!" <-

[Benny Lodewijk]

give us more info :D
can you post a picture of the mem? or post the codes on the mem?

how many volts are you giving the mem at 277MHz?

nice clocks :toast:

i already found this:
TMD7608F8E44D.
Hit FSB 270 MHz timing 2-2-2-5 1T with 3.5volt Vdimm

thanks... i have same code with you :D, for 277 MHz i give them 3.7 volt
;)

[pik-ard v1.1]

@ the stilt- does higher voltage yield any mhz gains at the same timings? or have you not tested above 3.45v?

also, hows this stuff do 24/7 with a ddr booster at 3.5-3.7v? is that 100% stable, and ok to run with?

[Daytime Dreamer]

Hello everyone! - New user here!

I've been reading this thread from start :p:

I went to some stores here in Greece but I only found AADT memory modules....

I'll continue searching until I find some promising AA4T modules. I want to combine this with a DFI NF4 and some 939 Athlon64 3000+ :banana:

I've been reading this forum for a year and I thought it was time to sign up ;)

[Klisp]

Hello everyone! - New user here!

I've been reading this thread from start :p:

I went to some stores here in Greece but I only found AADT memory modules....

I'll continue searching until I find some promising AA4T modules. I want to combine this with a DFI NF4 and some 939 Athlon64 3000+ :banana:

I've been reading this forum for a year and I thought it was time to sign up ;)
Let me be the fisrt to Welcome you offically to the XS forum. :toast:

[Klisp]

-> "Xtreme Twinmos Memory!" <-
i should have mine today or tommorw. i'll be sure to post pic's of the memory and the highest i could do mhz wise. Cya alittle later guys.

[TEDY]

thanks... i have same code with you :D, for 277 MHz i give them 3.7 volt
;)

benny can you do me a favour? try them with 3.3vdimm , that's what i have max on my mobo so what Mhz should i expect....around 250 ?

[hipro5]

Has anyone found 2 x 256MB of them for testing yet?...... :)

[The Stilt]

Has anyone found 2 x 256MB of them for testing yet?...... :)

Should arrive today ;)

[hipro5]

Should arrive today ;)

He,he,he............I like that......... :D

[death metal]

Should arrive today ;)

woot...i can't wait anymore =)

[Bluebeard]

hipro - just drop me a mail and i will send you 2 modules - best would be in exchange to the ones you still owe me ;)

btw. just put the maximizer inside the package also ;)

[tictac]

TwinMOS going to test Hipro5 Maximizer... this is cool :)

[Diabelica]

I have got one pair of 512 Twinmos coded AA4T and also have the winbond circles.

I can onley checked them on 3,17v and if I leave the timings to "by speed" it does 2,5-4-4-8 at 255fsb.

When I get a chance I will try them on 3,6v.. :)

[X-GeN]

I have got one pair of 512 Twinmos coded AA4T and also have the winbond circles.

I can onley checked them on 3,17v and if I leave the timings to "by speed" it does 2,5-4-4-8 at 255fsb.

When I get a chance I will try them on 3,6v.. :)

Nice to see you around here :D :toast:

I'm desperately waiting to see what your sticks are gonna do ;)

[tictac]

Alonso...

Will there be new revision of TwinMOS speed premium?

Brain Power PCB + Winbond UTT = killer Ram :explode:

[Bluebeard]

i have no idea atm....

[Reefa_Madness]

Alonso,

When did TwinMOS/M.tec start using Winbond UTT in any of their products, or more to the point, when did Winbond UTT become available in general?

I apologize if this has already been asked/answered. I have tried to keep up here, but may have missed it.

[Bluebeard]

i can´t answer that exactly for the moment but should be no problem cause you still know the product code to go for

first TwinMOS/M.tec with UTT passed to me in end of october as pre-samples

[hipro5]

hipro - just drop me a mail and i will send you 2 modules - best would be in exchange to the ones you still owe me ;)

btw. just put the maximizer inside the package also ;)

2 X 256MB and 2 x 512MB for comparison whould be cool I think.........Better will be with the Speed Premium....... :D :toast:

[Bluebeard]

just checked the new shipments...

new TwinMOS/M.tec come in CADT which means 0,11um PSC

new TwinMSO/TwinMOS came in with AA4T ;)

no new Speed Premium delivered but still have 512MB on hand...


the thing is i believe wheather M.tec, Speed Premium or TwinMOS regular - go for the product code with the 4 ;)

[esdee]

They should know already as the author of the article, //mAr, has posted in this very thread.


ooooops! sorry //mAr ... no offence :)

[esdee]

just checked the new shipments...

new TwinMOS/M.tec come in CADT which means 0,11um PSC

new TwinMSO/TwinMOS came in with AA4T ;)

no new Speed Premium delivered but still have 512MB on hand...


the thing is i believe wheather M.tec, Speed Premium or TwinMOS regular - go for the product code with the 4 ;)


with the 4 at the end of the week stepping i guess?

We all thank you Alonso for your time/help!

[Bluebeard]

you´re all welcome ;)

main thing is to find AA4T - where the 4 stands for Winbond - i don´t think i need to say more here :)

[esdee]

you´re all welcome ;)

main thing is to find AA4T - where the 4 stands for Winbond - i don´t think i need to say more here :)


indeed :D

[enok]

i still have some doubts about what the right pcb to choice from... :(
i would be much more confident buying a stick with the better pcb available! :P (i mean, if Alonso knows some :D )

btw, tks for ur help Alonso :) (both here at topic and the mail thing :P )

[Shroomalistic]

I thought the speed premium moduals are already on the brainpower pcb. Isnt that the best already?

[Revv23]

yes sir, but there are other winbond chips on non BP PCB's...

ill have my 2700 tommorow so if i get winbond ill let you know how they do on a lesser PCB.

[AMDnewbie]

thanks...mine is also winbond but not on BP pcb so wonder how is the performance like since still waiting for the DFI's mb :toast:

[Klisp]

When i get the memory in about an hour.... do you guys want a pic of the ram or will just posting up the ic numbers be enough ?

[enzoR]

piccie!!

[TEDY]

klisp from newegg ?

we want all pics you can make :D

[hipro5]

hipro - just drop me a mail and i will send you 2 modules - best would be in exchange to the ones you still owe me ;)

btw. just put the maximizer inside the package also ;)


TOO peaty to send you back these 2 x 512MB BH-5 Twinmos Ram sticks at 269MHz 1:1 and 3.62Vdimm and 2-5-2-2.......Mobo is ABIT AS8 , CPU P4 3.6GHz cooled by hi-pro-mmie with R410 gas...... :)

IS there a chance to keep them....?...... :D :sofa:

I've "burned-in" them and I gained about 9MHz out of them...... ;)


http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/P4_3.6GHz/jpg/Super-Pi_1M_unpatched_26sec_4841MHz_jpg.jpg

[Klisp]

They just arrived. i haven't put them in yet but just scanned them.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/6624/mem.jpg

[Jack]

too bad, no winbond chips :(

0443D, no 4 at the end,
AADT, D instead of a 4,
no dimples

:(

[trans am]

Damn that sucks Klisp. These are ordered after the last restock at newegg. THis is bad. WE need to see if twinmos will swap them.

[tom_ed]

Is it known yet if the -TT on the model number is relevant to anything?

[trans am]

Alonso would know

[Jack]

Is it known yet if the -TT on the model number is relevant to anything?
probably pcb related

for example we take the code M2G9J16A0A
the 0 between the last two A stands for B6U808, 6 layer PCB
while the M.tec comes in A8A where the 8 is KO6633, 6 layer PCB

[shigs]

They just arrived. i haven't put them in yet but just scanned them.
im a trader and ive been followin this thread, so i checked my stock of 512mb pc3200 twinmoss ram 2 find 2 sticks usin M.tec chips and the exact same pcb as the 1 posted by Klisp, both chips have the dimples so there winbound. so ive taken them home and there currently @ 250fsb 2-2-2-5 with 3.4v :toast: im still testin them atm.

[Bennah]

Nice results with 512MB sticks :toast:

[dutchman.pt]

Guys, really spoke too early :D

First when I tested these sticks on Intel platform, 200FSB with 2-2-2-5 settings was extremely unstable. Now I started to test again these stick with memtest, this time on DFI 875P-T LanParty. I found out that Refresh Mode at 64µs (ICH offset 69 = 53 instead of default 52 aka 7.8µs) will kill completely overclockability of these sticks. With 64µs selected these sticks gave hundreds of errors in memtest no matter what the voltage was. After setting refresh mode to Auto (7.8µs) these sticks really started to fly :D

I was able to run benches at 255FSB 2-2-2-5 / Turbo - 7.8µs - 70µs - Enabled - Enabled - Disabled (CPC) - Enabled with only 3.45V :D

I disabled CPC because memorycontroller doesnt like to run it on over 245FSB ;)

http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/SPI1M-255FSB.jpg

http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/Sandra2005_Unbuffered.jpg

Sandra unbuffered takes quite big hit when refresh mode is 7.8µs instead of 64µs and CPC is disabled. After VAGP mod I should be able to run CPC on ;)

Going to try higher voltages tommorrow ;)

The Stilt, can you post a photo of your memory sticks?
It would be nice for good chip recognition. :)
Tks. :)

[TEDY]

klisp when did you order them ? last week or few days ago when they got "supposed new stock" and out of stock again ?

[tictac]

They just arrived. i haven't put them in yet but just scanned them.
http://img145.exs.cx/img145/6624/mem.jpg

sorry to say that yours is not Winbond chip :D

Are you getting mad ?......... :explode:

[chikitano]

Hello

I test my dimm with 3.2v and i can´t get 2-2-2 only 2-3-3 at 200fsb... to that it must this?

salu2.

[TEDY]

chikitano you should write more correctly in english..afterall spain is in eu for what 20 years ? shame on you....

to that is must this? <--- huh ?

:P

[tictac]

Hello

I test my dimm with 3.2v and i can´t get 2-2-2 only 2-3-3 at 200fsb... to that it must this?

salu2.

PSC Chips :D :explode:

[TEDY]

any chance to send them back to newegg klispo ?

[tictac]

to that is must this?

:slap: my bad

[TEDY]

:slap: my bad

i vote tictac the slap moderator :stick:

[Origin_Unknown]

seems like no hope for us english people :(

[chikitano]

chikitano you should write more correctly in english..afterall spain is in eu for what 20 years ? shame on you....

to that is must this? <--- huh

I´m sorry, my english is very very bad (little by little I will perfect it)...
that it happens with PSC Chips?? my memory (http://img29.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img29&image=dscf00133gi.jpg) not contain winbond?? they take Two Dots marking... and I finish seeing that my hiperX (http://img8.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img8&image=pic00021cd.jpg) also takes them..

Salu2.

[scifikg]

I got my stick of 512 speed premium from newegg. My stick looks just like Trans Am and Klisp. I couldn't boot 2-2-2-5 3.5V 200. The best I got was 2.5-3-3-8 3.0V 225. I lost the gamble :(

[The Stilt]

Dammit, I being holded back by motherboard :(
Raised voltage to 3.5V but it didn´t gain much, because mobo craps out at 265MHz :D I make VAGP mod tomorrow, so 2.05V to chipset should do the trick :D

SuperPI 1M (http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/SPI1M-260FSB.jpg)
Sandra 2005 Unbuffered (http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/Sandra2005_Unbuffered265.jpg)

Let´s see what we´ll find from the pile of 21GB of TwinMos memory that arrives tomorrow ;)

[TEDY]

how on earth we all got screwed from newegg while other being lucky ?

i just don't get it.

[mikead_99]

So has anyone checked the non-Speed Premium 512's at Newegg?

[Revv23]

tic tac did and got AADT i believe.

[enok]

btw, does someone mind to test the UTT at higher timmings? 2-3-3 or 2.5-3-3...
i think it would be nice to make a comparision with TCCD, for example. :D

[Revv23]

i will if i get UTT.

[Rabbi_NZ]

tic tac did and got AADT i believe.
tictac bought his a LONG time ago i thinkbtw, does someone mind to test the UTT at higher timmings? 2-3-3 or 2.5-3-3...
makes no difference on my OCZ VX

[TEDY]

revv23 you ordered at newegg ? GL

my friend did 3 days ago i believe

[tictac]

why dont you guys handpicked direct from computer store ?

[tictac]

Let´s see what we´ll find from the pile of 21GB of TwinMos memory that arrives tomorrow ;)

My friend just order 10GB of TwinMOS Speed premium as well :slobber:

let/s see what he will find from the pile :banana: :banana: :banana:

[mikead_99]

why dont you guys handpicked direct from computer store ?

lol, I will go look, I've just gotten too accustomed to point and click shopping.

[TEDY]

why dont you guys handpicked direct from computer store ?

cause slovenija sux :slobber:

[Playful_Buffalo]

i dont think my local stores carry twinmos

[Revv23]

well just got my PC2700, its AADT, which is okay, i need new ram for my computer that im giving my dad, and id have alot of trouble giving him some of my good stuff, as all i have is BH-5/6 right now, and if this was UTT i would have had to give him my BH-6 lol...


this reminds me though, i saw kingston KVR for $30 256 mb at circuit city, im going there now to check it out.

[setyotomo]

i just received another 1GB pack Speed Premium (512x2)

P/N : M2G9J16A8ATTFF081AA4T
Chip :
TwinMOS
0 4464 0
TMD7608F8E44D

.. confirmed winbond UTT, no digicam rite now, try to take some pics tommorow though...

err i dont have board to test these rams right now @ >3.2v, just got my stock nf7-s,

so i got this another (not very good) method, to confirmed it besides the P/N,"dimple" and etc..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/Sp_vs_VX_LoL.jpg

[tictac]

i just received another 1GB pack Speed Premium (512x2)

P/N : M2G9J16A8ATTFF081AA4T
Chip :
TwinMOS
0 4464 0
TMD7608F8E44D

.. confirmed winbond UTT, no digicam rite now, try to take some pics tommorow though...

err i dont have board to test these rams right now @ >3.2v, just got my stock nf7-s,

so i got this another (not very good) method, to confirmed it besides the P/N,"dimple" and etc..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/Sp_vs_VX_LoL.jpg

ok Vdimm = Vio mod to go... :banana:

[Revv23]

Dammit, I being holded back by motherboard :(
Raised voltage to 3.5V but it didn´t gain much, because mobo craps out at 265MHz :D I make VAGP mod tomorrow, so 2.05V to chipset should do the trick :D

SuperPI 1M (http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/SPI1M-260FSB.jpg)
Sandra 2005 Unbuffered (http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/Sandra2005_Unbuffered265.jpg)

Let´s see what we´ll find from the pile of 21GB of TwinMos memory that arrives tomorrow ;)


ship to US?

[setyotomo]

@tictac : i've got something 4 u, turn on your YM plz ;)

[tictac]

@tictac : i've got something 4 u, turn on your YM plz ;)

sorry i got exam to day at 8am
later i think :(

i havent sleep yet.... :slap:

[TEDY]

damn you setyotomo get me 1 will you ?

:stick:

[gulp35]

This sucks.... I'm all hyped about getting this awesome memory and then newegg doesn't seem to be delivering... Plus I don't have any local stores that carry TwinMOS.... Anyone buy their sticks from that Chief Value.com place?

[setyotomo]

damn you setyotomo get me 1 will you ?

LOL.. i'll get you one if u in indonesia :) just keep tryin my friend, i'm my self "handpicked" this sitck,coz the computer store doesnt have a clue what i'm talking about :D

[Eljefe62]

I got mine from ChiefValue, and I haven't received them yet...
I'll post my experience when they're in.

[quicksilverXP]

so even if Newegg has memory in stock that has AA4T in the serial number on the picture, it still isn't guaranteed that you will receive Winbond UTT? If they give me AADT instead of the AA4T that was in the picture, is that still eligible for return without the 15 percent fee?

[cardnut99668]

So when will us US guys see this 512 sticks of this stuff?

[enok]

trans am is from US and he got the "stuff" for a long time now. :rolleyes:

[Shroomalistic]

Damn things arent looking good for me right now. Most likely my sticks will be aadt's :fart:. Does anyone know how I could exchange these for the good ones?

[Jack]

Damn things arent looking good for me right now. Most likely my sticks will be aadt's :fart:. Does anyone know how I could exchange these for the good ones?
you can always send these back right?
dont open them and say you ordered the wrong ones and you want your money back?
and that reason isn't even a lie :D

[Daytime Dreamer]

why dont you guys handpicked direct from computer store ?

I'm on my way on doing that tomorrow tictac! However the situation doesnt look so good either here in Greece at the local computer stores. I have already checked 3 of them and all they have is AADT. I'm gonna check another 10 tomorrow and if I find some AA4T I think I may buy 2gigs of that (4X512)

I never got the chance to say this but a big THANKS FOR AL THOSE BIOS'S for the NF7-S. :toast:

[Daytime Dreamer]

Ah, and something else:

Has anyone tried pushing these sticks in a 4X512 configuration? On an Athlon 64 939 preferably ... If these sticks can do 250-260 at 2-2-2-5 then maybe 230 with 2gigs (4X512) isnt so unrealistic ....

I know its extreme but hey ...this is the place to do xtreme right? ;) :D

[Skip]

did trans am get the right 512MB ones? i know he had very good 256MB, but i must of skipped over his 512mb experience.

[Jessfm]

OK my 2x256 2700 D60's have gone , so back on the hunt again :)

[quicksilverXP]

were those AA4T's on the serial number... but D60's on the actual IC? Just asking to make sure that

AA4T= Winbond UTT

[Shroomalistic]

anyone else get there newegg 512's today? I might just cancle my order.

[Rabbi_NZ]

it might pay to cancel Shroomalistic, dont look to promising from current results.

reefa was saying some PC2700 (i cant remember if it was OCZ or Mushkin) are using UTT chips and can be had from NewEgg. It's somewhere in this thread... i think they were sold in 512mb modules too but not sure

[Shroomalistic]

i changed my order from 2 x 512mb to 2 x 256mb and another xp-120. there gonna send me a check for the balance. Atleast this way my chances are a little better.

[Maxwell Murder]

Two sticks on newegg!

[Shroomalistic]

yeap they got 2 instock if anyone wants to give them a whirl

[Maxwell Murder]

Instock at Chief Value now also.

[Reefa_Madness]

it might pay to cancel Shroomalistic, dont look to promising from current results.

reefa was saying some PC2700 (i cant remember if it was OCZ or Mushkin) are using UTT chips and can be had from NewEgg. It's somewhere in this thread... i think they were sold in 512mb modules too but not sure

Got to clarify.

There is a guy that posts over at OC Forums, Diablo23rd, that works at one of the Fry's stores in the cage area and he found some OCZ PC2700 Value Series with the M.tec chips that have been mentioned in this thread as possibly being Winbond UTT...the ones ending in 60D with the "4" following the YYWW date code. He bought one, as well as one of the Kingston value ram sticks. Both were 512MB and both were able to hit 255 (2-2-2 at 3.6v+) on his Abit IC7-G/3.2 set up. He thinks the ram had more left but not the proc.

I have seen the Kingston in two of my local CCs in the 2x256 dual-packs, but no 512 locally.

I do recall one of the Mushkin reps that sometimes posts over at OCF stating in a post that Mushkin uses these chips in their value ram line as well, but at the time did not identify which chip it was nor what product used it...it was just one of those statements along the lines of "I know what chip it is and we use it in our value line" and that was it. He made that comment in one of the early VX threads where everyone was trying to guess which chips were in the VX.

The point of all this ramblings is that it might be able to be found elsewhere, but I don't know who has it. The egg may have it in some OCZ or Mushkin or in KVR, but at this point, I can't direct you to any.

At one point about a week ago, the Fry's where Diablo works had about 6 sticks left of the OCZ Value Series and half a box of the KVR single sticks and a bunch of the KVR 1 gig dual-kits....somebody want to make Diablo an offer he can't refuse?

Its out there guys, and probably will become more plentiful as it hits the shelves in all sorts of value line products...just got to go fishing for it.

Of course, it would be a heck of alot easier if the egg just stocked the right stuff, right?

[Skip]

i really wish there was a computer company that catered to enthusiasts like us and actually said what stepping and date cpu you were getting, what IC is on ram, what chipset revision in motherboards. i would pay a little extra to know what i was getting, maybe 10$ extra on ram, and so on.

someone linked a company that did that with intel chips, seperated E0 and D0 cores. i wish more places did that with their products.

so if i was to go to newegg right now(which i'm doing) and buy some ram for someone, which brand gives me the best shot at UTT? if i get a winner i have a gig of cheap ram i can give them, since that is what they want in the first place. otherwise it was like i never even tried to get it.

[Rabbi_NZ]

OCZ find the chips, speed bin them, put on spreaders, and provide amazing support....

[Shroomalistic]

yeah and they add a mighty high price to them also

when your broke like me those ocz are just for dreamers

[Skip]

i was talking about the retailers. this way nobody would have to play the guessing game when ordering twinmos from newegg.

[Shroomalistic]

i think if everyone sent a suggestion like that to newegg, they would do it but only if enough people suggested.

[Skip]

we should send them an xtremesystems.org official email or something :p

i'm flipping through their selection of ocz, kvr, and mushkin, and none of the pictures denote anything, but i'm guessing most of their pictures are innacurate anyways. i'm not even going to try twinmos speed premium, as a 512mb dimm from them has been confirmed to be AADT.

[Reefa_Madness]

so if i was to go to newegg right now(which i'm doing) and buy some ram for someone, which brand gives me the best shot at UTT? if i get a winner i have a gig of cheap ram i can give them, since that is what they want in the first place. otherwise it was like i never even tried to get it.

I spent a whole evening looking through pictures of just about every value line type ram they had, regardless of name, I mean I even looked at Rosewill (who in their right mind would really want ram with that name on it?) and came away empty handed. Hope you have better luck than I did.

[Shroomalistic]

I spent a whole evening looking through pictures of just about every value line type ram they had, regardless of name, I mean I even looked at Rosewill (who in their right mind would really want ram with that name on it?) and came away empty handed. Hope you have better luck than I did.

thats funny, i did the same thing

[tictac]

Why dont you guys do a bulk order and get them straight from distributor?

[Skip]

yea, i did a week ago, and i'm doing hte same thing tonight!

[Reefa_Madness]

Why dont you guys do a bulk order and get them straight from distributor?


I wouldn't have any idea as to how to do that. What would be involved?

[Skip]

how do i even contact distributors. they would probably tell people the codes on the ram.

well, i think i'll just get some 67$ per 512mb dimm kvr that is on sale. the chips are infineon i think (2 notches in side) but i was reading reviews, and a couple overclocked it, or just tightened latencies, and its possible they might have UTT.

[gulp35]

A group buy would be a good idea.....
..on the subject of other value RAMs having the UTT, Just a quick search based off of my previous searching it seems Mushkin also uses BP PCBs so they might be a alternative, however we have to crack/get their rep to crack their memory code to see which have UTT.

[gulp35]

Just searchin' some more, what about these:
http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-150-619-01.jpg
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-141-164&DEPA=1 (read the reviews)
These don't seem to be windbond chips in the pictures but the chips could be different in person.
Now just gotta find a place that will let me search through all of their value RAM stock :).

[Skip]

i think the key to at least narrowing it down is in reading the reviews and hope to find the lone person who gave maybe 3.0 volts to get cas2. and that would be a possibility.

i haven't seen any reviews where peope have given ram like 3.3volts at newegg, so it will be doubtful to know for sure.

[Revv23]

i know a guy who works for a PC shop, he has direct acess to several warehouses, though im not sure if he could get them handpicked, ill contact him tommorow, hes always trying to get me to buy from him... well now i can heh.

[situman]

well Newegg back in stock.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0

44D on the mem chips but the sticker doesnt say wat we wanted it to say.

[Revv23]

nope, it doesnt...

time to look elsewhere.

[Skip]

well to put that into perspective, newegg doesn't update pictures, they still have pics of bh-5 on their sticks.

[LilGator]

isn't that still the same pic ? Don't think they would change it even if they were AA4T ... lazy NewEgg is ;)

[Daytime Dreamer]

yeah and they add a mighty high price to them also

when your broke like me those ocz are just for dreamers

And not for all of them Shroom
:p: ;)

[setyotomo]

just got 1 GB pack(512x2) and 2 sets of 512MB(256x2)

i hope this picture of mine can help you guys :

1GB pack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/512_PN_sized.jpg

512 Pack

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/256_chip_sized.jpg

[CaTalyst.X]

I just ordered 512X2 Also. Be here thurs :D im gonna test it in the LP UT at whatever it will take prob 3.6V

-CaT

[Jack]

setyotomo that 1GB kit is gonna rock :toast: AA4T and 44D!
it doesnt get better than that :D

what chips are on the 512MB kit?

I just ordered 512X2 Also. Be here thurs :D im gonna test it in the LP UT at whatever it will take prob 3.6V

-CaT

where did you order those?

[Skip]

just got 1 GB pack(512x2) and 2 sets of 512MB(256x2)

i hope this picture of mine can help you guys :

1GB pack



512 Pack



where did you get them from, the 1gb pack is regular, not speed premium right?

never mind about where you got them, didn't notice your location.

[Jessfm]

were those AA4T's on the serial number... but D60's on the actual IC? Just asking to make sure that

AA4T= Winbond UTT

yes 4aat.
winbond http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/CIMG0153.JPG
http://www.ricco.karoo.net/images/CIMG0151.JPG

[tictac]

where did you get them from, the 1gb pack is regular, not speed premium right?
the 1GB pack .... It is the speed premium ... with winbond UTT
this pic might make you ...... :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22425

[choseone214]

so tictac I want the speedpreimum 2x512 with the winbond utt chips correct?
do oyu have a pic of the UTT chips upclose? I know they have the 2 dimples and the 4 metels things at the ends right?

sorry to lazy to dig though 100 pages, hehe.

thanks M8

[Reefa_Madness]

Too lazy to scroll up this same page?

[choseone214]

so does "ANYONE" have a closeup pic of the OCZ VX to see if they are using these winbond utt IC's

[The Stilt]

the 1GB pack .... It is the speed premium ... with winbond UTT
this pic might make you ...... :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

What about this?
http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/TwinMos-Pile2.jpg
:D

[Reefa_Madness]

You are just so mean...everyone looking for a single set and you've got them all! No wonder newegg keeps running out of stock. :) j/k of course...nice pic btw.

Nice, nice pic.

[Reefa_Madness]

so does "ANYONE" have a closeup pic of the OCZ VX to see if they are using these winbond utt IC's

A picture won't help...they have the same identical markings but are relabeled with the OCZ markings. Again...they look exactly the same...same circular dimples, same hole in the left corner, same metal bands/staples along both the left and right outer edges of the chips.

[situman]

sooo stilt can I buy a set off of u?

[choseone214]

thanksd reefs :)

the stilt are any of those the utt ic's ;)

we want close ups of every sticl, ralmfao

[Naughtyboy]

Sorry to ruin this for ya Stilt. ;)

Thoose sticks aren´t his...they belong to the shop he´s employed in.
Nontheless..he gets to lay his hand on them and handpic if he wants to...as soon as the arriwe. :banana: :banana:

[Astral7]

What about this?
:D

Looks like you guys are doing a bit of speed binning to :D

:toast: and good luck

[Shroomalistic]

What about this?
http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/TwinMos-Pile2.jpg
:D
god i hate you.....j/k

good luck finding some awsome handpicked goodies

[jumperfly]

Mine arrived today, not got time to test it fully atm but it did 20 memtest #5 loops at 217mhz (2-2-2-11-9-12, cpc on, 3.3V, dfi lp nf2). It's ttd but has the dimples and the 4 in p/n and date code:
http://www.jumperfly.f9.co.uk/images/pc/twinmos/twinmos.jpg

[Maxwell Murder]

Where do they sell the dual channel 2x512 SP?

[GazC]

Mine arrived today, not got time to test it fully atm but it did 20 memtest #5 loops at 217mhz (2-2-2-11-9-12, cpc on, 3.3V, dfi lp nf2). It's ttd but has the dimples and the 4 in p/n and date code:
http://www.jumperfly.f9.co.uk/images/pc/twinmos/twinmos.jpg

Where is that from? :slobber:

Nice find!

[jumperfly]

Got it from tekheads - link (http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601519)
512 modules are no good, and neither are 256 dual channel kits. Their stock last week is what I have in that pic, should still be the same.

[GazC]

Got it from tekheads - link (http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601519)
512 modules are no good, and neither are 256 dual channel kits. Their stock last week is what I have in that pic, should still be the same.

Thanks :toast:

[Jack]

i went to the local pc shop today and found some winbond utt (2x 256mb regular twinmos pc2700).

label (http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.makkink/UTTlabel.JPG)
chip (http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.makkink/UTTchips.JPG)

but no luck :(

224MHz @ 3,3V max, fully a64 tweaker tweaked
more voltage didnt help much

doesnt matter, dont want 2x256 anyway

but i could be that the pc2700 mem are not so good...
but i cant tell yet only tested 2x mems

[Ulti]

What about this?
picture
:D

When you want to sell some of that I'd really appreciate it if you could please send me a PM ;) You don't need all that TwinMos goodness... It's really hard to get here in the Netherlands :stick:

[tictac]

What about this?
http://www.akiba-pc.com/TwinMos-UTT/TwinMos-Pile2.jpg
:D

:slobber: why just plain TwinMOS?
Bring some speed premium will you :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Jessfm]

i went to the local pc shop today and found some winbond utt (2x 256mb regular twinmos pc2700).

label (http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.makkink/UTTlabel.JPG)
chip (http://home.student.utwente.nl/r.makkink/UTTchips.JPG)

but no luck :(

224MHz @ 3,3V max, fully a64 tweaker tweaked
more voltage didnt help much

doesnt matter, dont want 2x256 anyway

but i could be that the pc2700 mem are not so good...
but i cant tell yet only tested 2x mems

Previously this is what I had, similar results except on P4 system was ablt to do 260.
Look back through posts.

[Jupiler]

Mailed a store in Germany, which had the 1 gig kit in stock.
Asked them what the markings on the chips were, and the final 4 characters on the P/N #.
Got this reply :

die pn endet auf aa4t.
auf den chips steht 0448 sowie tmd7608f8e44d

Sounds good. Gonna order 1 pack.
To bad they don't have the 256MB stick ATM.

[Jack]

Mailed a store in Germany, which had the 1 gig kit in stock.
Asked them what the markings on the chips were, and the final 4 characters on the P/N #.
Got this reply :

die pn endet auf aa4t.
auf den chips steht 0448 sowie tmd7608f8e44d

Sounds good. Gonna order 1 pack.
To bad they don't have the 256MB stick ATM.
damn! good chip code!

where are you getting those from?
and do they still have some 1gig kits in stock?

[The Stilt]

:slobber: why just plain TwinMOS?
Bring some speed premium will you :banana: :banana: :banana:

Because there isn´t any Speed Premium available in Finland.
These will do just fine for now, tested first two 1GB kits and both ran memtest over an hour error free at 240FSB 2-2-2-5-Turbo-7.8µ-70µs-Enabled-Enabled-Disabled (Addr CPC)-Enabled with 3.3V only :D

It´s going to take a while to get these all tested ;)

Most of the sticks have chips from week 50, so I guess that week 50 or newer are the best overclockers.

[Jupiler]

http://www.overclockers.de
They ship inside Europe, even with COD (cash on delivery)

I just placed my order, but I just checked again, and it seems like they're out of stock now. Got my order confirmation though.

[trans am]

Bad news, I called Twinmos today spoke to Alice Lo. According to "company policy" because I bought my ram from newegg, she says it's against "company policy" to send my week 43D 512 sticks to her in exchange for current dates. So basically I'm stuck with these until we have official word that newegg has the "good" speed premium 512 sticks. Sorry Klisp, I tried. But I looked at newegg just now and all the speed premium is sold out again. Must be dudes from other forums. Boy, they are gonna have a rude awakening when they get those sticks lol.

[Jack]

Previously this is what I had, similar results except on P4 system was ablt to do 260.
Look back through posts.

strange, ill try it on a P4 later :)

http://www.overclockers.de
They ship inside Europe, even with COD (cash on delivery)

I just placed my order, but I just checked again, and it seems like they're out of stock now. Got my order confirmation though.

tnx :) i've emailed another german shop. lets hope they have good UTT mem

[setyotomo]

so tictac I want the speedpreimum 2x512 with the winbond utt chips correct?
do oyu have a pic of the UTT chips upclose? I know they have the 2 dimples and the 4 metels things at the ends right?

sorry to lazy to dig though 100 pages, hehe.

thanks M8

finally got my old scanner powered on :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/Twinmos_512_scan.jpg

where did you get them from, the 1gb pack is regular, not speed premium right?

never mind about where you got them, didn't notice your location.

i notice your location in Il = Illinois?, about 2 days ago i just send a package for my sister weighted 3kg to Urbana Champaign, Illinois... LOL

[enzoR]

so this UTT is finally rolling in!

[Jupiler]

strange, ill try it on a P4 later :)



tnx :) i've emailed another german shop. lets hope they have good UTT mem


Jack:
the 1 gig kit is out of stock, but apparently, they still have the 512MB sticks available (79.90€ for 1*512MB)

[Torin]

Anyone noticed how the OCZ reps have been very quiet ever since the community came to the conclusion that VX = Windbond UTT?

[setyotomo]

pls notice that the speed premium 2x256 MB sticks i have, also uses the same chip. and ALMOST IDENTIC P/N# i'll post it later for comparison

[Jack]

Jack:
the 1 gig kit is out of stock, but apparently, they still have the 512MB sticks available (79.90€ for 1*512MB)
didnt even notice that :D
i send them an email also,

tnx! :toast:

[enzoR]

Anyone noticed how the OCZ reps have been very quiet ever since the community came to the conclusion that VX = Windbond UTT?

yea... well what do they have to say? bigtoe already confirmed a few weeks ago that the secret :)

[enzoR]

didnt even notice that :D
i send them an email also,

tnx! :toast:

i'm gonna order aswell! :D

[enzoR]

pls notice that the speed premium 2x256 MB sticks i have, also uses the same chip. and ALMOST IDENTIC P/N# i'll post it later for comparison

how high are yours clocking?

[Ulti]

i'm gonna order aswell! :D

Yep me too, very hard to get these in the Netherlands :confused:

[Eljefe62]

ChiefValue.com had a picture of the speed premium aa4t chips last week, now they are the aadt's.
I ordered them last week, so *hope* i get the newer ones...

[setyotomo]

ok this one is the 256x2 speed premium sticks - hope it may help you guys :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/Twinmos_256_scan.jpg

[Bluebeard]

Bad news, I called Twinmos today spoke to Alice Lo. According to "company policy" because I bought my ram from newegg, she says it's against "company policy" to send my week 43D 512 sticks to her in exchange for current dates.

I really hope that you don´t wonder why it is like that... ever tried to call Asus and ask for better OCÃ:banana:ng board for exchange :rolleyes:

Like i said, we in Germany got new stock where ALL TwinMOS/M.tec came with PSC

BUT

regular TwinMOS/TwinmOS came with AA4T - no time and setup to test atm but i think you´ll find results very soon ;)


BTW: best regards to Alice if anyone calls her next time :D

[enzoR]

so you mean the next batch is PSC again? will it have AA4T on it?

[Bluebeard]

do i write no english?

it comes in AADT which is Powerchip but this can - especially for M.tec - change very quick ;)

also for regular TwinMOS/TwinMOS we had AADT last week and AA4T this week

so it´s still the same old story - watch out for AA4T on any new TwinMOS Memory ;)

[enzoR]

ok i'm sorry. :p:
why do you guys keep changeing the dies! :(

[trans am]

I really hope that you don´t wonder why it is like that... ever tried to call Asus and ask for better OCÃ:banana:ng board for exchange :rolleyes:

Like i said, we in Germany got new stock where ALL TwinMOS/M.tec came with PSC

BUT

regular TwinMOS/TwinmOS came with AA4T - no time and setup to test atm but i think you´ll find results very soon ;)


BTW: best regards to Alice if anyone calls her next time :D


Alice is a good employee, I have nothing against her. It's the "company policy" I disagree with. I wasn't asking twinmos for a bone marrow transplant, I was simply requesting some sticks with the current technology. I think this is why OCZ still OWNS in the cust. service dept. OCZ wouldn't even blink if I had the same request. And btw, Asus is not a good example of cust. service. :D

[swami]

I think this is why OCZ still OWNS in the cust. service dept. OCZ wouldn't even blink if I had the same request. And btw, Asus is not a good example of cust. service. :D

well obviously twinmos just need to increase the price of the AA4T 500% and then they, like OCZ, can afford to pander to the whims of their patrons.

However, i seriously doubt Twinmos are going to charge you 500% more than what those RAMs are worth... :stick:

[TEDY]

:banana::banana::banana::banana: it my friend got AADT :(

how can it return it ?

[trans am]

well obviously twinmos just need to increase the price of the AA4T 500% and then they, like OCZ, can afford to pander to the whims of their patrons.

However, i seriously doubt Twinmos are going to charge you 500% more than what those RAMs are worth... :stick:

I am just going to send these back in a few days to newegg. hopefully this 3rd restock will hold the key. Sorry to Alonso, Alice Lo, Asus, OCZ, newegg, and everyone else I offended.

[TEDY]

I am just going to send these back in a few days to newegg. hopefully this 3rd restock will hold the key. Sorry to Alonso, Alice Lo, Asus, OCZ, newegg, and everyone else I offended.

you gonna pay 15% + shipping etc ?

[trans am]

you gonna pay 15% + shipping etc ?

Well if twinmos won't take them, who will?

[Zyklon5]

Alonso could you please give me a link to some pdf or spec sheet with detailed info on the winbond UTT IC's/ TwinMOS 44/50D, if it's possible ?

Are the SpeedPremium or TwiSTER PRO available to purchase to distributors in Eastern Europe ?

Thanx in advance...

will be postin' resultus soon for 2*AA4T 1 GB kits with 50D labeled IC's bought in a B&M store in my country.

[Revv23]

trans am why not rma for a replacment and not a refund?

since it sounds like the ones on newegg are going to be half and half, you could just keep rma'ing until you get lucky. shipping would cost alot though lol.

[TEDY]

i'm :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing angry...grrrrr

cause 160$ for this ram is way too much......kingston value or ocz 60$ * 2 is better...

[Jack]

trans am, cant you say that AADT modules arent compatible with your mobo and that you need AA4T mem for it to work :D

[trans am]

THat's what I am doing, just rma for replacement and cross my fingers. I think newegg will have them finally on the 3rd official restock since this thread began. We'll see, 3 strikes and I'm out.

[enzoR]

well its a good thing they are relatively cheap.... so if you cant send em back it aint the end of the world

[enzoR]

OT: btw this thread is like #2 in ammount of replies in the whole forum, #1 being the A64 OC thread in XtremeOverclocking i think when we reach 1000 we should open the champagne :toast: :p:

[TEDY]

trans_am yeah but they charge you 15% don't they ?

[Rabbi_NZ]

has anyone ordered these from Chief Value yet? (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=manufactory&item=20-218-404)

EDIT:
Dont know if this is already old news, but not all Speed Premium is UTT.... this stick of 512MB DDR400 Speed Premium (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=manufactory&item=20-218-405) has AADT in the code... maybe it is just an old one????

[Playful_Buffalo]

i really hope that the prices wont shoot up with the demand....after all newegg viciously enjoys jacking up there prices like 50% in a period of a day

[Jack]

has anyone ordered these from Chief Value yet? (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=manufactory&item=20-218-404)

EDIT:
Dont know if this is already old news, but not all Speed Premium is UTT.... this stick of 512MB DDR400 Speed Premium (http://www.chiefvalue.com/app/productdetails.asp?submit=manufactory&item=20-218-405) has AADT in the code... maybe it is just an old one????
alonso already said in this thread that speed premium is produced with both psc and winbond chips :)
so you just have to look for the AA4T and watch out you dont get psc chips

[Rabbi_NZ]

Didnt alonso say REGULAR Twinmos memory can be PSC or UTT??

I just thought the Speed Premium was considered as a sure thing... my bad

[enzoR]

yea... and you can never be sure that they have the right code listed :(

[Revv23]

OT: btw this thread is like #2 in ammount of replies in the whole forum, #1 being the A64 OC thread in XtremeOverclocking i think when we reach 1000 we should open the champagne :toast: :p:

well good thing its stickied...

oh wait.

seriously whats with that? do mods just ignore this thread?


anyways, i as at CC looking at the KVR today, i saw some with the dimples but it was rated CL3, it had the metal on the ends too, but i know that winbond cant run CL3 so i gave up...

it was funny the computer rep kept telling me that i should give up and buy corsair because he uses corsair and its always been best for him blah blah blah...

i wanted to slap him. :slap:

[Rabbi_NZ]

anyways, i as at CC looking at the KVR today, i saw some with the dimples but it was rated CL3, it had the metal on the ends too, but i know that winbond cant run CL3 so i gave up...
VX do CAS3 without any trouble... dont know if it's custom OCZ SPD programming or these UTT chips now do CAS3...

[Bluebeard]

I am just going to send these back in a few days to newegg. hopefully this 3rd restock will hold the key. Sorry to Alonso, Alice Lo, Asus, OCZ, newegg, and everyone else I offended.

this is something i can only shake my head...

[Revv23]

oh, well hmm, anyone that has utt do cas 3 tests? if so then i got a few 256mb dimms at my CC to pick up lol.

[Jessfm]

the UTT i had (PC2700) did run at CAS3 on my neo board as I set it by accident

[Reefa_Madness]

The KVR are at my local CC too, and Diablo at OCF tested a 512 stick on his P4 @ 3.2 and hit 255 with it. The only thing is that Diablo's and the ones I saw had the labels very different than the typical Kingston label in that the "Kingston" as well as a series of codes are across the top line where usually you find only the Kingston label and then the rest of the codes are across the bottom (only two rows of codes) with the middle of the chip, where you can see the dimples, having no coding at all. As a point of reference, this blank space would be were the M.tec have the date codes.

Diablo's KVR sticks have chips with 0449 date codes, but the ones I saw had 0417 coding which scared me off. Could these be Infineon ch-5 instead of Winbond UTT?

We need more KVR samples before we can start drawing conclusions.

Attached is a picture of the KVR, but since it is a little unclear, I have provided the information written on Diablo's KVR chip below (from his post at OCF).

Kingston B11444.02
(blank row)
D3208DW3T-5U 0449PT01

Diablo's OCZ and KVR, both tested to 255. Notice the M.tec chips have 0431 and 0430 dates which are earlier than what the Speed Premiums have on them.

One last thing that I'm sure has been noticed, but I'll repeat it. TwimMOS chip's coding starts with the TM D and the M.tec chips start with the TT D. I know people have been asking and it appears to me to be nothing more than an internal identifier at TwinMOS.

[Rabbi_NZ]

What would be the difference between Infineon CH-5 and TwinMOS UTT 50D?

They are both speed binned (all be it by different firms) to be 5ns or better chips... and they are all made on the Winbond machines...

The date code would scare me off too reefa, most of the time newer is better and with CH-5 this has been especially true... that process must be getting pretty mature now

[Reefa_Madness]

I would think that there would be no difference, however, SteveOCZ (rep) responded to my question over at OCF by saying that he thought the Infineon c-die was different than the Winbond UTT. He also stated that Infineon has continued to make CH-5. I don't know whether or not that is true. I do know that Alonso says TwinMOS treats the UTT as CH-5 internally.

The thing that makes me think they would be the same is that all of the new releases about Winbond UTT indicate that the inlabeled/untested stuff being sold by Winbond is the excess capacity that Infineon did not buy. So what is Infineon doing with the stuff they did buy? Is that what is used in the KVR with the earlier dates?

I just have questions..not much in the way of answers.

[Revv23]

i dont think the UTT is CH-5 as CH-5 did better at low volts.

[Reefa_Madness]

That is a very valid point and easily overlooked. Thanks for the reminder.

So what is Infineon doing with their allotment of Winbond UTT.

Don't they have a "B-line" or something. Now I've got to go check all of the second rate stores selling cheap Infineon...there goes another evening spent in front of the monitor.

[Rabbi_NZ]

i dont think the UTT is CH-5 as CH-5 did better at low volts.
I didnt say ALL UTT is CH-5, I said 50D roughly = CH-5... UTT on it's own is just CH-? by the looks.

PS, ask conrad how well his VX does at 2.85v ;)... I think last I heard it was past 230 2-2-2

[Reefa_Madness]

I think he was responding to my post where I stated that I thought it was the same.

[Revv23]

I didnt say ALL UTT is CH-5, I said 50D roughly = CH-5... UTT on it's own is just CH-? by the looks.

PS, ask conrad how well his VX does at 2.85v ;)... I think last I heard it was past 230 2-2-2


yes i was responding to reefa...

but... conrad is even more proof this is not CH-5, at 2.8v OVP kicked in until 3.1 iirc.

if you mean 50d can be compared to CH-5, then i would agree with you.

[__TRONIK__]

got my 2 512mb sticks today - they are the aa4t 44d's

yay.

it will take me some time to test them though, I am moving cases and a bunch of other stuff. for those wondering these were the individual 512 sticks of speed premium at newegg, not the 1gb kit.

[Skip]

44D i think means 4.4nanoseconds. which makes it pc3700 i believe. ch5 is pc3200 memory.

tronik, congratulations!

good to know the speed premium at newegg had some winners in it. the next shipment of SP's from them will most assuredly be UTT i'm guessing.

[Rabbi_NZ]

got my 2 512mb sticks today - they are the aa4t 44d's

yay.

it will take me some time to test them though, I am moving cases and a bunch of other stuff. for those wondering these were the individual 512 sticks of speed premium at newegg, not the 1gb kit.
Let us know how they go TRONIK :), those 44Ds are the cream of the crop I hope

[Shroomalistic]

got my 2 512mb sticks today - they are the aa4t 44d's

yay.

it will take me some time to test them though, I am moving cases and a bunch of other stuff. for those wondering these were the individual 512 sticks of speed premium at newegg, not the 1gb kit.


:brick: Damn, I should have kept with my order. How many others have gotten 512 aa4t's from newegg. the way my luck is going, mine probly would have been good ones since I cancelled my order. :(

Congrats on the new mem. Im sure I will be able to come up on another 200 bucks soon once there confirmed utt's. Atleast Im getting 2x256mb.

[Daytime Dreamer]

At last!

I managed to find a shop in Greece which has EXACTLY the same AA4T 512mb sticks like the one's esdee owns. I bought 2 for 138 euro's (69 each) and the seller has another 50 same sticks in stock :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

I'm letting them burn in in my NF7-S at stock for now ... tomorrow I'll go get another 2X512 and thats it for me ... :cool:

I will bring these to a friend's IC7 P4 board to test them as I'm not sure how well my NF7-S can handle these due to the nforce2 issue being picky with 512mb modules :rolleyes:

And to think that some other shops have the AADT stuff which they sell 89 euro's a 512mb stick :p:

Keep up the search everyone! :cool:

[Shroomalistic]

hey tronik, what part of the US are you from.

[cardnut99668]

Sounds like the 512s are starting to surface. All I can say is thank God! I got a week 44 3200 from monarch today. All I need now is ram. I hope this stuff surfaces more and keeps shipping. Please let us know how it goes tronik.

[Skip]

finally got my old scanner powered on :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/Twinmos_512_scan.jpg



i notice your location in Il = Illinois?, about 2 days ago i just send a package for my sister weighted 3kg to Urbana Champaign, Illinois... LOL

i'm close to chicago, but i've seen the university there, its a nice campus.

[DaGoof]

Just got it.

http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/twinmos.jpg

we'll see how she does after a burn in (I'm sure it can run at lower vdimm, I was just being overkill)

[Shroomalistic]

overkill, man give it more and put a fan on it

[DaGoof]

Haha, I cant, until I get the maximizer - put off the getting the booster, waiting for it... So I'm still without high VDimm

[Rustafur]

got my 2 512mb sticks today - they are the aa4t 44d's

yay.

it will take me some time to test them though, I am moving cases and a bunch of other stuff. for those wondering these were the individual 512 sticks of speed premium at newegg, not the 1gb kit.


I think this may be worth reitterating.... I bought two separate sticks of Twinmoss SP's and they BOTH were aa4t 44d's... is it me, or does this spell out really good news.

[tictac]

Good news for US hunter :)

[Maxwell Murder]

Speed Premium for a reason, rated at the 44D. Seems like all the new sticks though are AA4T. Nice. And what's this maximizer you speak of?

[pik-ard v1.1]

also, hows this stuff do 24/7 with a ddr booster at 3.5-3.7v? is that 100% stable, and ok to run with?
noone has answered my question... any issues at maintaining such high voltages? i assume a fan posistioned over the ram would be wise, but i still wanna know if anyone has hit any issues over an extended period of time.


and the last few posts, are you talking about buying from newegg specifically and getting the aa4t 44d ones?

[Negative Design]

Gonna get some sticks soon...
any word of how these perform on AXP?

[DaGoof]

the DDR Maximizer is a unit being developed by Hipro5 that claims to dish out rock solid voltages for your memory, like OCZ DDR Booster, but non-fluctuating, and guranteed 4.22vdimm

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42220

[mcnbns]

Haha, I cant, until I get the maximizer - put off the getting the booster, waiting for it... So I'm still without high VDimm
Only at XS is 3.64 not considered "high VDimm". :p:

On a positive note for Canadians, my thread at NCIX.com got answered. They say they'll look into getting TwinMOS Speed Premium, but no promises. :/

[Revv23]

the maximizer will be the answer to my dreams.

[situman]

only 256mb, i wanna see more benchies w/2*512mb

[Skip]

i would guess these sticks will be good with AXP.

[Negative Design]

i would guess these sticks will be good with AXP.


Sweet :banana: I just hope the Maximizer works on DFI lol :banana4:

[Rabbi_NZ]

Sweet :banana: I just hope the Maximizer works on DFI lol :banana4:
I doubt it will unfortunately dude

[DaGoof]

Why do you say that? I thought it was pretty much compatible with any board you can throw at it?

[Rabbi_NZ]

The booster isnt compatible... I think it uses the same method as the booster. I could be wrong so best to ask Hipro5

[Negative Design]

I guess we'll have to see :D

[Revv23]

ive pmed hipro5 several times about it and allhe will tell me is that its being tested soon, ive even offered beta testing to no avail.

[esdee]

the maximizer will be the answer to my dreams.

well i must be dreaming ... :D

i have the prototype sitting on my tower :p:



http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22462&stc=1

[DaGoof]

does it work with a dfi??

[esdee]

does it work with a dfi??


i guess we'll have to wait untill i have the DFI ...
for now it works just fine with the MSI Neo2 :D

Stupid MSI issue makes my UTT go 'only' at 240Mhz!
now i gained 3Mhz!! so 243Mhz and i look forward for a DFI 939!

(hipro5 did 260 with my DIMMs on his AS8)

[trans am]

i guess we'll have to wait untill i have the DFI ...
for now it works just fine with the MSI Neo2 :D

Stupid MSI issue makes my UTT go 'only' at 240Mhz!
now i gained 3Mhz!! so 243Mhz and i look forward for a DFI 939!

(hipro5 did 260 with my DIMMs on his AS8)

I had a similar experience. My VX only did 248 in the neo2 with ddr booster. I put them in single channel dfi nf3-250 and they did 264 2x512.

[esdee]

I had a similar experience. My VX only did 248 in the neo2 with ddr booster. I put them in single channel dfi nf3-250 and they did 264 2x512.

stupid MSI board ... i did almost anything to get them at 250 ... tried every BIOS (not 1.5x) and every possible settings on the memory timmings ...
2x256 LE GSkills easily did 295 in DC ...

i ll have to face it ... my board hates Winbond!

[trans am]

I think that board has a problem regulating the voltage from ddr boosters and it just can't handle high vdimm. I noticed the vdimm would flux a lot. After a while the board just decided to quit on me and I was unable to achieve any overclock above stock. Needless to say, after 2 of them, I am not going to buy anymore.

[DaGoof]

Was playing around with my vdimm, and goodness it makes a big difference - Not sure how much higher I can take this ram, but it keeps going until my power supply can't give it what it needs.

MUST HAVE MAXIMIZER to uncover the limits of this UTT

[DaGoof]

here's my module, in case anyone cares.

http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/speedwhole2.jpg
http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/speedback2.jpg
http://dagoof.no-ip.com/oc/speedchip2.jpg

[TEDY]

At last!

I managed to find a shop in Greece which has EXACTLY the same AA4T 512mb sticks like the one's esdee owns. I bought 2 for 138 euro's (69 each) and the seller has another 50 same sticks in stock :slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

I'm letting them burn in in my NF7-S at stock for now ... tomorrow I'll go get another 2X512 and thats it for me ... :cool:

I will bring these to a friend's IC7 P4 board to test them as I'm not sure how well my NF7-S can handle these due to the nforce2 issue being picky with 512mb modules :rolleyes:

And to think that some other shops have the AADT stuff which they sell 89 euro's a 512mb stick :p:

Keep up the search everyone! :cool:

would you buy me pair of hand sellected ? i'm from slovenija, so we both in EU ...shipping shouldnt be a problem :)

i can wire € to your international account...pleaseeeeeee

[Bluebeard]

[QUOTE=Zyklon5]Alonso could you please give me a link to some pdf or spec sheet with detailed info on the winbond UTT IC's/ TwinMOS 44/50D, if it's possible ?

Are the SpeedPremium or TwiSTER PRO available to purchase to distributors in Eastern Europe ?[QUOTE]

sorry - not possible...

I can only speak of german sales - send email ti TwinMOS Netherlands to verify where to find these modules in your country.

[Jupiler]

OK guys,
I stickied this thread for the time being but I suggest that everyone reads this forum rule again :



12. The management of this Forum does not condone theft, trading in stolen property, fraudulent return of merchandise, or the aiding and abetting of those who do. Any such discussions regarding stolen property or fraudulent returns will be dealt with swiftly, and the offending member risks complete loss of membership privileges in our Forums.



This is regarding RMA'ing your hardware.
If the memory you bought works at the rated speeds, then I see no reason why it should be RMA'ed back to the store you bought it from.
In this case, any RMA is considered as fraudulent.

So discussions like these are out of the question and will not be allowed, resulting in the topic being closed and removed.

Hope this is clear for everyone.

[Bluebeard]

thx for that Jupiler ;)

will you keep an eye of those who do this bull**** ?

[Entity_Razer]

So guys, sorry to barge in on you guys but I didn't have the time (nor patients for that matter :rolleyes: ) to look trhough the 31 pages here.

SO my question is the following, I'm about to buy ram
Apacer RAM but it hasn't come in yet.

So I can still cancell my order and buy me a gig of Twinmos(2x512)

From this site (it's dutch but I i just wanna know)


http://comtechnology.be/shop/product_info.php?cPath=361_28&products_id=901715&osCsid=59c8da1238c448df4728b7c322302eac

Now could you guys tell me if those would be the ones with VX chips? I KNOW they are "new" makes so not old ones because for one they sell a lot of those things and they always buy only what they need so never in big quantities.

EDIT:

http://comtechnology.be/shop/product_info.php?cPath=361_28&products_id=901097&osCsid=59c8da1238c448df4728b7c322302eac
Those are cheaper and since I do not have dual channel I don't need something that'll cost me 20 bucks more :)
will those have the chips also?
(presumably)

So PLEASE

Post here if you think those can be the ones with them chips

I'm sure I can sell my current RAM for like 80 euro's or something (cheapass Apacer DDR 3200 with TCCC chips) just when I put on some of them boards that they'll clock to a decent 420MHZ with enough volts etc and on good timings.

But as said thats not the problem,please let me know if those could be the ones.


although 160 is a bit expensive for a gig (well not really my apacer 512module I orderd is 90 euros so.....) I'm still willing to try it out :) espesially knowing i can get about 80 euros out of my apacer ram

BTW I do not plan on directly buying me a booster so will about 2.8-2.9Volts cut it? :)

They have to reach about 220 mhz and good timings on those volts

thanks in advance!!!!!!!

[Bluebeard]

:brick:

look for AA4T or rtf thread

[Entity_Razer]

hey alonso, you might wanna read my post carefully.

They don't order unless something is orderd from them.
They've had a LOT of burglary's latly so they switched to this polecy. can't blame'm either they got like 10 burglary's in a span of a good 2-3 months!!!!!!!


So I can't go there and say Hey Can I look at the Twinmos ram?

I just wanna know if they are possibly it (how much change there is to it)

Because those single 512MB modules only cost 72 euros so I can surely get rid of my other ramstick apacer for 70->80 euros around here so I can buy me a gig of that, but I have to know there is a good possibility of it

And and btw, cool it will you? I may not be around for long on these boards people DO NOT like it when they get flamed.

People here are verry helpfull and so am I but you really need to try NOT to go off at people. It's bound to recoil

You're registerd since january 2003 so you're most likly know more about these boards and the people then I do but if you think that the above does not apply to people here, then be sure it applies to me.

I serisuly DO NOT like to get barked at so if you wanna bark at people go do it somewhere else and not on a forum where people come for their enjoyment ok?


and also I KNOW i have to look for AAT4 and the dots etc but I just asked for the liklyhood of those being equipped with them chips. Not if they where them for sure

[GazC]

thx for that Jupiler ;)

will you keep an eye of those who do this bull**** ?

I'd be keeping the twinmos that I ordered myself as I know it was a gamble. But the Garbage I recieved will not even post. I am RMAing for legitemate reasons.

Fancy putting mixed ICs on the same stick, ptah! :stick:

That said, everyone should accept that it is still a gamble at the moment, if you lose out and the RAM does what it says on the sticker, live with it.

[DaGoof]

Has anyone actually tried settings other than 2-2-2? If they dont mind higher latencies... Not only is this ram VX killer, it could be TCCD killer as well (if we can keep increasing the fsb) :idea:

[I know it's been mentioned, but I havent seen any results, and I'm away from my pc right now]

[celemine1Gig]

hey alonso, you might wanna read my post carefully.

They don't order unless something is orderd from them.
They've had a LOT of burglary's latly so they switched to this polecy. can't blame'm either they got like 10 burglary's in a span of a good 2-3 months!!!!!!!


So I can't go there and say Hey Can I look at the Twinmos ram?

I just wanna know if they are possibly it (how much change there is to it)

Because those single 512MB modules only cost 72 euros so I can surely get rid of my other ramstick apacer for 70->80 euros around here so I can buy me a gig of that, but I have to know there is a good possibility of it

And and btw, cool it will you? I may not be around for long on these boards people DO NOT like it when they get flamed.

People here are verry helpfull and so am I but you really need to try NOT to go off at people. It's bound to recoil

You're registerd since january 2003 so you're most likly know more about these boards and the people then I do but if you think that the above does not apply to people here, then be sure it applies to me.

I serisuly DO NOT like to get barked at so if you wanna bark at people go do it somewhere else and not on a forum where people come for their enjoyment ok?


and also I KNOW i have to look for AAT4 and the dots etc but I just asked for the liklyhood of those being equipped with them chips. Not if they where them for sure

Calm down a bit! ;)

Alonso's answer might not have been the most friendly one, but he was right.

How the hell should he know what this particular shop is selling??? If it's new stuff, then your chances are quite good, to get the Winbond UTT chips. But you'll never know without having any detailed info from the shop.
Get that RAM or leave it. We can't tell you what you'll get, because we don't know it either. How should we.
BTW, it would've been enough to read some (~5) of the pages to know what to look for. No need to read all 32.