Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[enzoR]

check the previous hipro5's posts..!

hmm ok he got 260... so then these are not VX :confused:

[bias_hjorth]

not yet ... ;) i hope ill have more than 10 sticks and a maximizer at the end of the week to test

btw my PSU (stock not modded) freaked out! 12V rail was 13.7V 5Vrail 5.7V. (who needs psu volt mods!!!:p: )and when the booster was showing 3.5V actual voltage was 4.7 (yep i said four point seven) for more than an hour!!! ... RAM-CPU-BOARD remained undamanged !

I´ll be def. looking forward to your test. :thumbsup:
About your motherboard are you sure its wasnt your multimeter that went crazy :hehe:

[TEDY]

really want these 2*512...can anyone point me where to get them..neweggs?

[esdee]

are you sure its wasnt you multim that went crazy :hehe:

lol, yes im pretty much sure...those mems are so high-Volt-proof and cool!

Ok now new psu is on (tagan 480-u01 480W) so back to business !

[trans am]

Simple - Something that beats EB´s and BH5 - 1gb btw.

Are you kidding?
my bh6 max is 236. my mushkin blk level II bh5 max was 237mhz at 2-2-2 1t, so this already beats it. And how high can you get a gig of bh5 and eb up to? at 2-2-2 timings? My VX gig does 264 2-2-2 stable. You seem to have very high expectations. Almost unrealistic. :stick:

[Reefa_Madness]

hmm ok he got 260... so then these are not VX :confused:


Better...maybe? Or at least if you run Intel. :)

OCZ VX has been optimized for A64 by their own statements. It could very well be the same chips, just simply a difference in implementation that allows these to run better on an Intel rig than the VX runs on Intel.

[X-GeN]

Guys I couldn't read from the beggining of the topic. But there is an important info about the twinmos memories which contain winbond chips.

As you should see there is a big sticker on the right side of the memory. On this sticker there is a p/n code. If this code ends with "AA4T" then it should be winbond bh-5 or bh-6. This info is only valid for DDR400 Twinmos memories.

I have tried about 4 sticks of 512mb twinmos ddr400 which is AA4T. But it isn't marked as 50D on the chips, they are marked as 60D. Just above this 60D "-50" is marked as well.

These chips that I have tried does about 270Fsb 2-2-2-6 1T with 3.7vdimm on A64 754 rig.

I also tried 1 stick of 256mb Twinmos ddr400 again AA4T. This memory's chips were as well 60D marked. And it did round about the same.

I almost forgot, the memories which I saw were all M.tec marked ;)

If I remember anything else I'll write back :toast:

[TEDY]

nobody listening to me :(

[hipro5]

5:4? ive never heard of a mobo that can run 5:4 past 300fsb. not even hipro's ic7

:D EPOX 4PCA3+.............. ;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Mem_7034_png.png

EDIT : Sorry my bad............ :D

[bias_hjorth]

Are you kidding?
my bh6 max is 236. my mushkin blk level II bh5 max was 237mhz at 2-2-2 1t, so this already beats it. And how high can you get a gig of bh5 and eb up to? at 2-2-2 timings? My VX gig does 264 2-2-2 stable. You seem to have very high expectations. Almost unrealistic.

I wasnt talking about the Bh5 running 1gb. I was talking about seeing memory that´ll run 1gb at higher numbers than 270mhz (I believe I saw bh5 doing so on a Intel rig "1gb"), Which is max we have seen from any VX, twinmos so far. I liked the EB´s - They were kicking everything for a short period of time until they suddenly got discontinued.
Call my demands unrealistic sure, but thats just me I guess.

[X-GeN]

Pics of TwinMOS/mTec WINBOND UTT

http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_backt_sm.jpg (http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_backt_big.jpg)
(click to enlarge)

http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_front_sm.jpg (http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_front_big.jpg)
(click to enlarge)

http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_chip_small.jpg (http://mar.h0sted.org/winbondutt_twinmos_chip_bigl.jpg)
(click to enlarge)



Mine are just like these :toast: Double-sided :cool:

[enzoR]

:D IC7.............. ;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/Temp/Mem_7034_png.png

is that your ic7's max in 5:4? wtf y does it say epox lol! :D :confused:

[trans am]

I wasnt talking about the Bh5 running 1gb. I was talking about seeing memory that´ll run 1gb at higher numbers than 270mhz (I believe I saw bh5 doing so on a Intel rig "1gb"), Which is max we have seen from any VX, twinmos so far. I liked the EB´s - They were kicking everything for a short period of time until they suddenly got discontinued.
Call my demands unrealistic sure, but thats just me I guess.


I think the point is we have ram that is performing better or equal to ram that costs over $300. This stuff costs half.

[hipro5]

is that your ic7's max in 5:4? wtf y does it say epox lol! :D :confused:

Yes this was with the EPOX one...........I'm trying to find the screenie with the IC7 one..........I think it was 312MHz+......... :D

EDIT : It is on my benching rig...........Tommorow........ ;)

[bias_hjorth]

Yes and I didnt state that I didnt like that - But I was hopeing and looking for more in terms of mhz at least. Well especially from the VX sticks at.
Sure I´ll be trying these anytime soon but from what i´ve seen its nothing really impressive so far. But I sure hope it changes.

[enzoR]

Yes this was with the EPOX one...........I'm trying to find the screenie with the IC7 one..........I think it was 312MHz+......... :D

:toast: :)

the only mod i'm missing from my ic7-g is the electrolytic cap mod for nothbridge. i dont have a cap for it :(

how much did it help? i have my vagp at 2.05v then it hits ovp :D
what is a save vnorthbridge? 1.75v?

[Reefa_Madness]

Good info about the product code.

Hipro5's sticks (see CPU-Z screenshot) and trans am's sticks both have the "AA" in the product codes.

Trans am's sticks are not M.tec, but labeled TwinMOS.

[enzoR]

it has to be AA4T

[hipro5]

:toast: :)

the only mod i'm missing from my ic7-g is the electrolytic cap mod for nothbridge. i dont have a cap for it :(

how much did it help? i have my vagp at 2.05v then it hits ovp :D
what is a save vnorthbridge? 1.75v?

1.9Vchip max........

Let's leave the off topic......... ;)

[Reefa_Madness]

it has to be AA4T


They are both AA4T, I just took a short cut in my response and probably should not have because it might confuse someone trying to find the right chips.

Newegg has 256 sticks of PC2700 with these same chips in stock, they are M.tec, have the dimples and the hole in the lower left corner AND are marked ast AA4T in the product number. They sell for $32, plus just under $5 shipping so it comes to $37 per stick. The picture appears to show a week 31 date. It would appear that these are also the good chips, right?

Or might they be relabeled bh-6? Wouldn't that be sweet for $37 per stick?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-057&depa=1

[X-GeN]

They are both AA4T, I just took a short cut in my response and probably should not have because it might confuse someone trying to find the right chips.

Newegg has 256 sticks of PC2700 with these same chips in stock, they are M.tec, have the dimples and the hole in the lower left corner AND are marked ast AA4T in the product number. They sell for $32, plus just under $5 shipping so it comes to $37 per stick. The picture appears to show a week 31 date. It would appear that these are also the good chips, right?

Or might they be relabeled bh-6? Wouldn't that be sweet for $37 per stick?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-057&depa=1

I'd say buy them :toast: ;) And if the chips are winbond, the p/n code definitely ends with AA4T

[Reefa_Madness]

Guys I couldn't read from the beggining of the topic. But there is an important info about the twinmos memories which contain winbond chips.

As you should see there is a big sticker on the right side of the memory. On this sticker there is a p/n code. If this code ends with "AA4T" then it should be winbond bh-5 or bh-6. This info is only valid for DDR400 Twinmos memories.

I have tried about 4 sticks of 512mb twinmos ddr400 which is AA4T. But it isn't marked as 50D on the chips, they are marked as 60D. Just above this 60D "-50" is marked as well.

These chips that I have tried does about 270Fsb 2-2-2-6 1T with 3.7vdimm on A64 754 rig.

I also tried 1 stick of 256mb Twinmos ddr400 again AA4T. This memory's chips were as well 60D marked. And it did round about the same.

I almost forgot, the memories which I saw were all M.tec marked ;)

If I remember anything else I'll write back :toast:

You state this info is valid for DDR400 only...in that case the modules I linked above, which are DDR333 but match in all other respects would not Winbond at all or would they be Winbond bh-6 and not Winbond UTT?

Just trying to get it straight in my head.

[enzoR]

i think thats UTT.... either way they are both good

[X-GeN]

I'm sorry I think it could also be DDR333. But I know that if it's written AA4T it is Winbond. But I dont know if it is ch-5 or bh-5/bh-6

Is Winbond UTT = Winbond Bh-5 ??

[Reefa_Madness]

I was told by a guy that works at a Fry's that there were some 512 sticks of the TwinMOS PC2700 with M.tec chips that matched the descriptions and I was trying to make sure it was worth pursuing. They have them for $90 per stick so if anyone is near a Fry's you might want to drop in and see what they have in stock. Outpost.com doesn't have any listed.

[esdee]

I'd say buy them :toast: ;) And if the chips are winbond, the p/n code definitely ends with AA4T

Verified ... P/N ends at AA4T here too !
what about yours trans am?


i think thats UTT.... either way they are both good
yeah! lets just enjoy them :toast:

[trans am]

Verified ... P/N ends at AA4T here too !
what about yours trans am?



yeah! lets just enjoy them :toast:

look at the 1st set of pics I posted. It's clearly the same AA4T My ic's end with 44D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22023

[Revv23]

i think ill try a stick of that PC2700

if newegg's picture is right then that AA4T... only the IC's are 60d... hmmm 6.0 ns maybe? they still seem to be the UTT blanks so maybe they are just lower rated same chips? i wonder how consitent the lower rated ones are with thehigher rated ones.

[gulp35]

I think that it isn't coincidence that the chips that didn't do very well previously in this thread's date end with a D while the good chips end with a 4.
and that there is another S/n that ends in AADT (one on TwinMOS's site, techPowerup!'s review)...
Could this be that this reoccuring 4 is signaling that these are BH-4? (probably not, but i have to come to a conclusion from my findings)

[Playful_Buffalo]

could it be something other than bh-x or ch-x?

[Revv23]

i want 2*512 ...this newegg's link ?

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

?


yes, but thats the AADT, as gulp pointed out, seems like the AA4T is doing better.

i wouldnt think of them as bh or ch anything, id think of them as winbond UTT.

and gulp im not really seeing what your saying, seems to me the XXD chips are doing just fine.

edit - i see now, its AA4T instead of 44DT... hmmm

[HermS]

Just ordered a stick of this twinmos stuff, its all too interesting not to give it a shot. :cool:

[Reefa_Madness]

The 44/50/60 number on the chip itself is not related to the AA4T vs 44DT on the product number (which is on the sticker and not the ram).

Both the PC2700 and the PC3200 have modules with the product/part number ending in the AA4T...which appear to be the ones we all covet.

Coveting will bust your bank account, you know.

So is the consensus then that even though they are PC2700, they are worth a shot if they are of the AA4T variety? I have PM'ed the fella at OC Forums asking to check the product number but have yet to receive a response. He said his store had nine of the 512MB sticks in stock.

[Revv23]

im going to order that PC2700 tonight, just gathering up a few other things, the PC3200 for the same price is AADT so im going to give the pc2700 a try, getting 2x256...

if this outclocks my 2x256 BH-5 that i bought from mushkin for $130 last month im going be pretty happy....

i might even pick up 2x512 if thats the case.

[esdee]

trans am can you run the everest memory latency bench ?
im just too curious to see what lower latency the 4.4ns chips have over my 5ns (if 44D and 50D means that)

[Reefa_Madness]

I think you are doing right by going with the PC2700 and the AA4T part # over the PC3200 with the AADT ending number.

I'm waiting to hear about the sticks from Fry's and will post any info that I get on them. Hopefully before you order (just in case). Of course, you wait too long and those will be sold out as well. :)

[Revv23]

from my understanding thats not how the latency rating works, from my understanding, lower latency ram has more clock potential... everest latency rating depend on clockspeed IIRC

edit - yeah im still looking for a good online shop for VR's so you got some time yet...

OT anyone know any good online shops for VR's? :p:

[quicksilverXP]

Which Fry's are you looking at? I live near the one at Fountain Valley and Anaheim. Do you mind telling me the part numbers because I won't be able to look at the memory until I purchase it.

[esdee]

from my understanding thats not how the latency rating works, from my understanding, lower latency ram has more clock potential... everest latency rating depend on clockspeed IIRC


hmmm you might be right ... but lets see what the output will be ... just for testing

Trans-Am if you do this do it @max (267 for you) and @240 (like i did)

/edit revv23 take a look at that latency and bandwidth !
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=604597&postcount=7

[Shroomalistic]

Which Fry's are you looking at? I live near the one at Fountain Valley and Anaheim. Do you mind telling me the part numbers because I won't be able to look at the memory until I purchase it.

He lives in florida so its no where around here. But damn the twinmos is looking really nice right now.

[Reefa_Madness]

Which Fry's are you looking at? I live near the one at Fountain Valley and Anaheim. Do you mind telling me the part numbers because I won't be able to look at the memory until I purchase it.

Earlier I posted (within a page or two) a link to PC2700 at newegg with the M.tec chips and the picture shows the parts number (which ends in AA4T).

I live in Florida and I've never seen a Fry's but one of the members at OC Forums is an employee at one of the stores (don't know which one) and he works in the "cage" area so during a slow time he went through the ram and found 9 of the 512MB PC2700 sticks. He was going to buy one and test it and then get back with me and a couple of the other guys with results. I am still waiting to hear back.

They probably did so darn good that he will tell me that they sucked and he'll end up keeping them all. :)

Just kidding...I turned him on to this thread and this ram so he offered to get me some as his cost if they worked out. We'll see how it goes.

[Bennah]

So A-TT good chips ?

[quicksilverXP]

Man.. I would like to know more than anything how 2x512MB clocks. I know 2x256 will yield higher results, but 512MB isn't practical anymore.

[sparkie34]

Man.. I would like to know more than anything how 2x512MB clocks. I know 2x256 will yield higher results, but 512MB isn't practical anymore.


I have two sticks coming tomorrow or thursday. ;) My current processor is only good to about 255fsb so if they handle that memtest overnight stable i'm gonna grab an ole faithful 2.4c to see what clocks these sticks will get.

[Revv23]

never tried ths but is it possible to run a 533NB strap and a greater the 1:1 divider?

[Reefa_Madness]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-057&depa=1

That is the link at newegg to the PC2700, however, while looking it up I came across something that will be of interest to those that ordered the PC3200 Speed Premium in the 512 sticks. Those don't have the AA4T, but instead have the AADT coding at the end of the parts #. They may not be the Winbond UTT chips, according to the information that has been posted here today. Hopefully the re-stock will use the Winbond chips.

[trans am]

hmmm you might be right ... but lets see what the output will be ... just for testing

Trans-Am if you do this do it @max (267 for you) and @240 (like i did)

/edit revv23 take a look at that latency and bandwidth !
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=604597&postcount=7

this was 9x267 and 9x240 single channel. Bigtoe's shows 42.2 at 260mhz. on the same board. he is 2-2-2-0. mine is 2-2-2-10. also I have everything after tras on auto. He might be a64 tweaking. This is on windows xp with pretty much everything running. no tweaks here.
Here you go.....
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22090&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22091&stc=1

[gulp35]

Where else could someone find these chips? I know the TwinMOS is preferable becasue they use the brainpower PCB, but would these be on Kingston or other brands' value memory?

What should I be looking for if I go Looking?

[Reefa_Madness]

Since Winbond made these for Infineon to begin with, you would think that you could find it in their ram (the sound you here is that of a thousand overclockers headed for newegg again as we all go off looking for Infineon based ram). Alex (of TwinMOS) stated it was in Kingston and other value ram and a picture of some KVR was posted around page 4 or 5 of this thread, but so far no one has actually spotted it elsewhere. Of course, I know that I've been fixated on TwinMOS myself and could have easily overlooked another brand (other than KVR which I have looked for).

What you are looking for is the well known and easily recognized Winbond chip design (without their logo).

[trans am]

These are Infineon...
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-150-614&DEPA=1


look at the product page at buffalo. It shows infineon (ending with "ic" suffix)
http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-ddrdimm.php Nevermind, I called Buffalo and they don't match the criteria. Buffalo's out.

[cardnut99668]

I've heard there are a couple of companies that have that left hole, but maybe I'm wrong. The most convincing marks are the two dimples in the center of the ic.

[trans am]

I've heard there are a couple of companies that have that left hole, but maybe I'm wrong. The most convincing marks are the two dimples in the center of the ic.
you are right.. Samsung also has holes on some of their ic's


http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-141-402&DEPA=1
these are Winbond but much more expensive.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/20-141-402-02.JPG

[cardnut99668]

It'd only be 200 or so a gig, not bad.

[Skip]

how is 200for a gig valueram? patriot xbl is 210 at newegg and that is performance ram!

[trans am]

look at these.
Is it just me or does the 512mb Adata look identical to the VX? I looked at my vx again carefully and the Winbond circles are there. I couldn't see the circles earlier because of the printing left a cloudy film over the circles making them hard to see. Also note the 512mb twinmos is also identical to the vx. These are all Brain Power B6U808 PCB's
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-211-119&DEPA=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22094&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22101&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22102&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22103&stc=1

[Revv23]

you are right.. Samsung also has holes on some of their ic's


http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-141-402&DEPA=1
these are Winbond but much more expensive.

http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/20-141-402-02.JPG


holy crap according to that pic thats BH-5 man.

that Adata looks promisng, not really a close enough picture to tell though... $65 a stick isnt bad though.

[Revv23]

Where else could someone find these chips? I know the TwinMOS is preferable becasue they use the brainpower PCB, but would these be on Kingston or other brands' value memory?

What should I be looking for if I go Looking?


what makes you think thats the brainpower PCB? looks way to complex imo.

[trans am]

holy crap according to that pic thats BH-5 man.

that Adata looks promisng, not really a close enough picture to tell though... $65 a stick isnt bad though.


LOL, old pic maybe?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Nice find!

[gulp35]

"The PCB is made by Brainpower and has Revision No. B6U808"

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium

[Revv23]

"The PCB is made by Brainpower and has Revision No. B6U808"

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/TwinMOS/SpeedPremium


seems you are right sir :)

[mcnbns]

I think I've mentioned this before, but does anyone know anything more about the Infineon cheapo stuff? If these sticks are anything remotely like VX I may pick up a gig.
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10132&vpn=INFINEON3200-512&manufacture=RAM

I can't find any place that sells TwinMOS RAM in Canada. :(

EDIT: According to the customer reviews, it sucks. People in the NCIX forums are not known for their overclocking prowess, however. ;)

[trans am]

Well so far Adata, twinmos, and VX all using the same BP pcb. Coincidence?

[Skip]

somebody should order the AData and give it a try, or call them up or something!

if its like the twinmos 65$ would be amazing.

[trans am]

somebody should order the AData and give it a try, or call them up or something!

if its like the twinmos 65$ would be amazing.

Maybe you should do it next. I've spent too much money on ram last year.

[Jessfm]

Tomorrow I am off to hunt for some ram with all my list of codes.

:)

[gulp35]

<joke>
Wait a minute!!! Isn't there a OCZ guy named Paul *or something like it*
http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?DEPA=1&item=20-211-119
Read the second to last review....

CONSPIRACY!!!
</joke>

[Jessfm]

I need a little help.

If Im out looking for good ram, how exactly do I tell if its a BP pcb. just look for BP then code on the pcb edge ?

[CTKP]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-057&depa=1

That is the link at newegg to the PC2700, however, while looking it up I came across something that will be of interest to those that ordered the PC3200 Speed Premium in the 512 sticks. Those don't have the AA4T, but instead have the AADT coding at the end of the parts #. They may not be the Winbond UTT chips, according to the information that has been posted here today. Hopefully the re-stock will use the Winbond chips.

I think that the D denote 512m, both the speed premium and regular modules have the AADT. They look to have the same ICs

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1

The difference i see is that the SP's have BP pcb while the other has jedec reference.

[Jessfm]

OK looking at these:

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=PRL
This is deffinitely winbond , I think its CH-5 (pt #M2S9I08A-WB)

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL
Part number for this differs from the winbond by TT at the end(M2G9I08A-TT) making this UTT ???

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL
This is oem stuff not list as winbond, but the part number is M2G9I08A-MK , MK ???

And still dont know how to tell if they have BrainPower PCB's

:confused:

[gulp35]

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-218-059-01.jpg/20-218-059-02.jpg

TwinMOS 256MB PC3200 non-Speed Premium --- have AADT and look like the same pcb as these (http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-218-404-01.jpg/20-218-404-02.jpg&CurImage=20-218-404-02.jpg) which we know to Brain Power.

Brain Power PCB's typically have less clearance over the TSOPs (i.e. http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3213 an example with TCCD chips)

[Jessfm]

Thanks Gulp,

Right after looking at those pictures I think I know what I am exactly looking for , and by the looks of things these will be sub £100 for 1Gb .

:)

[trans am]

double sided Brainpower looks like these:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22094&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22101&stc=1

other side
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22102&stc=1
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22103&stc=1

[Jessfm]

Thanks Trans AM,

looks like I found the right ones. £95 for 2x512 sticks :toast:

Im going to grab them tomorrow

[situman]

memory overload memory overload. THis is just too much memory. First there was EB, then VX, now this. GEEZ when will the madness end.

[trans am]

memory overload memory overload. THis is just too much memory. First there was EB, then VX, now this. GEEZ when will the madness end.

The madness will end once amd starts using ddrII and we have to sell all this crap. lol

[Jessfm]

The madness will end once amd starts using ddrII and we have to sell all this crap. lol

well we got about a year then :)

[Skip]

so is it very high possiblity that the next batch of Speed premium twinmos will be the good stuff, considering some twinmos said the more recent stuff will be the same as vx.

if this can be confirmed, i'll be putting in my order when it becomes available again for 2x512.

[Reefa_Madness]

I think that the D denote 512m, both the speed premium and regular modules have the AADT. They look to have the same ICs

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=1

The difference i see is that the SP's have BP pcb while the other has jedec reference.

You are right...they have the same ICs, the problem is that neither of them have the right ICs. Unless my eyes are playing tricks, neither of those linked modules (both ending in AADT) have the larger Winbond dimples on them, only the smaller hole in the lower corner.

The modules that have been confirmed to work well have had the AA4T coding and both the hole in the lower corner and the circular dimples, just like original Winbond.

[trans am]

You are right...they have the same ICs, the problem is that neither of them have the right ICs. Unless my eyes are playing tricks, neither of those linked modules (both ending in AADT) have the larger Winbond dimples on them, only the smaller hole in the lower corner.

The modules that have been confirmed to work well have had the AA4T coding and both the hole in the lower corner and the circular dimples, just like original Winbond.

Well the 2nd one is the same speed premium I ordered 1st except it's the 512mb version. I am willing to guess you are ok with those. I should have those same 512 sticks here Thursday. I'm mostly curious about those adata I posted for 65.50 (512mb) they have brainpower pcb and are probably using the same as the Twinmos. anyone want to check to make sure?

[Skip]

Maybe you should do it next. I've spent too much money on ram last year.

i've bought too much stuff already, gskillpc4400le, amd3700+, gonna be buying a lanparty 754, and i'm trying to save up for the DFI nforce4 board.

[trans am]

i've bought too much stuff already, gskillpc4400le, amd3700+, gonna be buying a lanparty 754, and i'm trying to save up for the DFI nforce4 board.

why would you blow money on 754 rig, if you are saving for 939? sounds redundant.

[Reefa_Madness]

Well the 2nd one is the same speed premium I ordered 1st except it's the 512mb version. I am willing to guess you are ok with those. I should have those same 512 sticks here Thursday. I'm mostly curious about those adata I posted for 65.50 (512mb) they have brainpower pcb and are probably using the same as the Twinmos. anyone want to check to make sure?

Does the Speed Premium 512 stick that you ordered have the circular markings? I couldn't make those out in the picture. The actual chips are coded like your 256 stick (44D). I'm sure there are going to be a ton of guys hanging out on Thursday waiting for you to post about what you got.

[conrad.maranan]

I just took a good look at my VX modules. Both sticks are totally void of any markings. On top of that, there are no dimples on any of the ICs. I think the leprechauns did something to mine. :confused:

Anyway, I'm just waiting to see the results from trans am's 2x512MB kit. This should be interesting. ;)

[esdee]

<joke>
Wait a minute!!! Isn't there a OCZ guy named Paul *or something like it*
http://secure.newegg.com/app/CustratingReview.asp?DEPA=1&item=20-211-119
Read the second to last review....

CONSPIRACY!!!
</joke>

"Memory does as advertised. It passed 12 cycles of memtest with the following settings: CL 2.5-3-3-8/dual/200Mhz (PC3200)/2.6v.

Whatever you do, don't give it more than 2.6v. This memory does not like high voltage. At just 2.7v, it started to get memtest errors and at 2.8v, it would not boot."

if this is right then it's not the chips we are looking

i started with 2.7V and about 215Mhz @ 2.5-3-3-5,
220Mhz gave memtest#5 errors that got eliminated with 2.8V

now _WITHOUT_ some extra voltage (2.8 that real that MSI Neo2 max's out)
it's seems that i can't do 2-2-2-5.

[Revv23]

so its just like VX...


on a side note my 2700 purchase is delayed i wont have the CC until tomorow at 3, i just hope this stuff clocks as well as the 3200 :cool:

[Skip]

why would you blow money on 754 rig, if you are saving for 939? sounds redundant.

gonna have an overclocking/gaming pc, and one will be mildly overclocked, HTPC which will have my tv tuner and stuff.

[TEDY]

Thanks Trans AM,

looks like I found the right ones. £95 for 2x512 sticks :toast:

Im going to grab them tomorrow

can you help me where/which ? 10x

[tictac]

just make sure you dont buy the AAD version like mine :(

its not wonbond utt chip :(

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/Mtec-50D-237MHz.txt

[CTKP]

How high can you run 2-2-2 ? Also, is 3.06vdimm the highest you can go?

[MrQ3W]

A few pages back I said which to get(from my own personal experience), you bought different ones that's why it doesn't have UTT.

[tictac]

my bad :slap:

:(

[GazC]

That same memory with the exact same Twinmos serial number is in stock at komplett.co.uk for £22inc Vat

Winbond UTT memory by Twinmos (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL)

Just a £1 more then the price I paid for my stick. They only have 50-99 sticks left instock.

Rob H

I've just ordered 2 of those sticks to cover our bases, if they don't like being tortured they can be retired into the business computer ;)

Hopefully my OCZ booster will work with my PCP&C 510 when it arrives today, it didn't want to work with my CWT 550W.

[X-GeN]

I haven't ever seen any twinmos memories which end with AADT p/n code, that do 2-2-2-5 :devil:

And could somebody explain what winbond UTT is :toast: I couldn't understand.

I would also like to learn what chips VX use ;) (If any body knows)

[GazC]

I haven't ever seen any twinmos memories which end with AA4T p/n code, do 2-2-2-5 :devil:

And could somebody explain what sinbond UTT is :toast: I couldn't understend.

I would also like to learn what chips VX use ;) (If any body knows)

Is your post directed at the purchase I just made, or is it a general one for the thread?

[X-GeN]

I'm sorry it should be AADT

My post wasn't just for you, it was for everybody !

If you know the ram you're purchasing is definitely AADT, I would say dont waist time with it...

Look for AA4T

[Reefa_Madness]

Guys I couldn't read from the beggining of the topic. But there is an important info about the twinmos memories which contain winbond chips.

As you should see there is a big sticker on the right side of the memory. On this sticker there is a p/n code. If this code ends with "AA4T" then it should be winbond bh-5 or bh-6. This info is only valid for DDR400 Twinmos memories.

I have tried about 4 sticks of 512mb twinmos ddr400 which is AA4T. But it isn't marked as 50D on the chips, they are marked as 60D. Just above this 60D "-50" is marked as well.

These chips that I have tried does about 270Fsb 2-2-2-6 1T with 3.7vdimm on A64 754 rig.

I also tried 1 stick of 256mb Twinmos ddr400 again AA4T. This memory's chips were as well 60D marked. And it did round about the same.

I almost forgot, the memories which I saw were all M.tec marked ;)

If I remember anything else I'll write back :toast:

One of the guys at OC Forums has just picked up a 512MB stick of OCZ PC2700 Value Series with those same M.tec chips you have described above (ending in 60D with the "04304-50" mfg. date info). He is the one that I've been waiting to get back with me. I thought he was buying TwinMOS, but it was instead the OCZ with the M.tec chips.

On an Intel rig he hit 250 with 2-2-2-6 using 3.6v so that is a very VX like performance for Intel, maybe even a little better than some. Just wanted to pass that along.

Those M.tec chips are like little jewels lying around, just waiting to be picked up.

[Revv23]

yeah so ordering that 2700 as soon as i get home...

[abstrakt]

Just got mine, W942508CH-5, 0338WI. :)

[sparkie34]

I'm sorry it should be AADT

My post wasn't just for you, it was for everybody !

If you know the ram you're purchasing is definitely AADT, I would say dont waist time with it...

Look for AA4T

Some theory you got there. Look at the picture I have attached. Top is AADT 512mb and Bottom is AA4T 256mb stick. Look at the IC's. Labeled exactly the same. Camera just didn't pick up the winbond dots on the 512mb stick. I mean look at the 245mb AA4T stick. The camera only pics up one of the dots on the chip.

[GazC]

Some theory you got there. Look at the picture I have attached. Top is AADT 512mb and Bottom is AA4T 256mb stick. Look at the IC's. Labeled exactly the same. Camera just didn't pick up the winbond dots on the 512mb stick. I mean look at the 245mb AA4T stick. The camera only pics up one of the dots on the chip.

I couldn't help notice the PCBs are different though in your picture. :confused:

[X-GeN]

Some theory you got there. Look at the picture I have attached. Top is AADT 512mb and Bottom is AA4T 256mb stick. Look at the IC's. Labeled exactly the same. Camera just didn't pick up the winbond dots on the 512mb stick. I mean look at the 245mb AA4T stick. The camera only pics up one of the dots on the chip.

Are you sure that 512mb stick is winbond :rolleyes:

I don't think so. As I said I haven't seen any Twinmos which is AADT, contain Winbond Chips !!!

[sparkie34]

I couldn't help notice the PCBs are different though in your picture. :confused:


One is single sided the other is a double sided stick. Thats why they look different.

Are you sure that 512mb stick is winbond

Pretty darn sure considering they have identical chip markings and are both speed premium. Put it this way, why would twinmos build there new "speed premium" pc3200 sticks with winbond chips on their 256mb sticks and not on their 512mb pc3200 speed premium sticks of the exact same model? :rolleyes: We'll know for sure when mine and trans arrive tomorrow for sure.

[Reefa_Madness]

Some theory you got there. Look at the picture I have attached. Top is AADT 512mb and Bottom is AA4T 256mb stick. Look at the IC's. Labeled exactly the same. Camera just didn't pick up the winbond dots on the 512mb stick. I mean look at the 245mb AA4T stick. The camera only pics up one of the dots on the chip.

Ask tictac if this is all theory. Quote is from his post in the previous page.

"just make sure you dont buy the AAD version like mine

its not wonbond utt chip"


I believe there is validity to the AA4T "theory". So does tictac.

[sparkie34]

Ask tictac if this is all theory. Quote is from his post in the previous page.

"just make sure you dont buy the AAD version like mine

its not wonbond utt chip"


I believe there is validity to the AA4T "theory". So does tictac.


His is a 256mb stick of AAD.

Tictac. Was that a speed premium stick or just regular twinmos?

[TEDY]

geeze both TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM SOLD OUT at newegg :(

[X-GeN]

One is single sided the other is a double sided stick. Thats why they look different.



Pretty darn sure considering they have identical chip markings and are both speed premium. Put it this way, why would twinmos build there new "speed premium" pc3200 sticks with winbond chips on their 256mb sticks and not on their 512mb pc3200 speed premium sticks of the exact same model? :rolleyes: We'll know for sure when mine and trans arrive tomorrow for sure.

Twinmos isn't like OCZ, Mushkin, Geil, Corsair or so companies. These companies that I listed, as you say use a spesific chip for a model. But Twinmos isn't like them ;) So isn't Kingston :D

I'll be waiting for your memories :D

[trans am]

that could also be an old image on newegg's site. the 256 could be a newer image. Also remeber that kingston image eith the BH-5? I think it's safe to say that is old too. But MAybe that could be a loophole if you ordered to confirm what it was and get a rma and say it's not what the picture showed.

[enzoR]

so this (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113518&cks=SPC) stuff is 512mb of UTT?

and this (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL) is 256mb of UTT?

but this (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120095&cks=PRL) twister is also A-TT so wtf :confused: :( :shakes:

[enzoR]

I've just ordered 2 of those sticks to cover our bases, if they don't like being tortured they can be retired into the business computer ;)

Hopefully my OCZ booster will work with my PCP&C 510 when it arrives today, it didn't want to work with my CWT 550W.

that stuff doesnt say speed premium though but i'll wait on your results :)
hopefully it is the same stuff.

[HermS]

so this (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113518&cks=SPC) stuff is 512mb of UTT?

and this (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL) is 256mb of UTT?

but this (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=120095&cks=PRL) twister is also A-TT so wtf :confused: :( :shakes:


The 256Mb stick of that stuff from Komplett has the same part number as Trans am's stick that did ~267 2-2-2, I ordered a stick to play with so when it arrives I'll let you know how it does. The only thing that does concern me is that it's not labelled as Speed Premium like Trans-Am's is, but at £22 you cant go wrong! :D

[MrQ3W]

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=115490&cks=SER

Anyone tried that one?

[enzoR]

yea a few pages back... he said he got CH-5

[abstrakt]

Yes, I got CH-5.

[enzoR]

after some googleing i found this russian website (http://www.fcenter.ru/online.shtml?hardnews/2004/08/23#) that had some news on winbond UTT ram.

Here is the text translated from Babel Fish:
"As reports the Taiwan Internet- resource DigiTimes, referring to the producers of the modules of memory, company Winbond of beginning recently the production of its first chips UTT DRAM (Untested DRAM - chips, which do not pass testing after production). I will recall that some time Winbond back concluded large agreement about the collaboration with the German giant Infineon Technologies (see news for 6 August), in accordance with which it reoriented the part of its power from production Pseudo SRAM (PSRAM) to production DRAM. The general productivity of the re-equipped lines composes 10 thousand. 200 mm of silicic plates per month; however, because orders Infineon cover it not completely, Winbond decided to use the unoccupied part for the production of its own chips DRAM. At the given moment the volume of production UTT DRAM find on the sufficiently low level, however, according to the data of the Taiwan producers of the modules of memory, in the next months Winbond it can bring it to the level 3 mln. chips in the 2shch'-megabitnom equivalent. Itself Winbond thus far in no way comments on situation with production UTT DRAM."

i also found this news headline: "Infineon transfers 90nm DRAM technology to Winbond" but u have to pay to read the news so fk that :rolleyes:

so maybe these UTT's are made on 0.9nm! :eek:
that could explain why they run so cool even though were shoveing 3.5++V's up its ass! :stick: :D

[tictac]

mine just 256MB TwinMOS PC3200 not the speed premium

the AAD is not winbond UTT in my memory :(

[trans am]

mine just 256MB TwinMOS PC3200 not the speed premium

the AAD is not winbond UTT in my memory :(


Why didn't you order the speed premium?

[MrQ3W]

My friend is getting a new rig soon, I think I can handpick a few for him from the store and return the non-UTT ones. I'll be sure to give you guys a report on my success.

[esdee]

handpick a few for him from

handpick ... such a nice word ...

[trans am]

Ok, I made some calls today.

These are confirmed not the good stuff:
-Buffalo
-PQI

I am still waiting on ADATA and Kingston.
so far best bet is ocz vx and twinmos with "AA4T" suffix

[esdee]

Ok, I made some calls today.

These are confirmed not the good stuff:
-Buffalo
-PQI

I am still waiting on ADATA and Kingston.
so far best bet is ocz vx and twinmos with "AA4T" suffix

:toast: :toast: :toast: . nice Work!

anyone has any info for the Kingston value RAM?
i might be able to check tommorow personaly
of cource ill post :D

[enzoR]

and twinmos speed premium is the good stuff. confirmed that they are useing UTT on all speed premium. non speed premium is luck of the draw.

[gulp35]

What would the the chips be labeled as in other brands, for example I know that kingston sometimes relabels chips with their label, so does A-data.

I saw a deal at Fry's in today's paper that says you can get 1GB of Mushkin Enhanced memory for 139$ what would those chips look/be labeled as?

[pcworks]

My stick of ram arrived from Komplett.co.uk today.

Unfortunately I got the AADT ram as well :mad:

The full details of the stick is:

Part number : M2G9108A8AMK 9F081AADT
Model number : M2G9108A-MK

marking on chips are : Mtec 0447D TTD7608F8E50D

They boot at 2.6v upto 235mhz at cas2 3-3-8 2T on my arock mobo. My OCZ booster should be back from RMA tomorrow from OCuk.

Oh well, didn't get the UTT but this ram runs OK. Cannot complain for £21

Rob H

[enzoR]

why didnt you order these (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL) :confused:

[pcworks]

Do you have confirmation that those sticks have Winbond UTT drams on them Enzor?

Rob H

[enzoR]

That same memory with the exact same Twinmos serial number is in stock at komplett.co.uk for £22inc Vat

Winbond UTT memory by Twinmos (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113517&cks=PRL)

Just a £1 more then the price I paid for my stick. They only have 50-99 sticks left instock.

Rob H

i think you got confused when you placed your order. the stick you ordered was different from this one.

[enzoR]

model number A-TT should be part number AA4T which is UTT.

[trans am]

called kingston and spoke for an hour about these. Michael said, there is no way to guarantee what ic's will come on the valueram because they use a lot of different chips for the same ram. I showed him pics with the circles and all he couldn't tell where they were made. I don't think Michael is going to be much of an asset here. :(

he said they haven't used winbond ic's for a year or two. I asked if they used Infineon and he said they do.... I showed him the picture at newegg of the kingston with the Bh5. He said it was an old photo.

[enzoR]

how did u show him all those pics on the phone! :eek:

[trans am]

how did u show him all those pics on the phone! :eek:

I would email him zip attachments while I was on the phone with him. I did the same with everyone else.

[enzoR]

thats some xtreme phoneing for finding xtreme ram. :D

[trans am]

All we need now is a response from Adata.

[enzoR]

well we are still unsure of which twinmoss 100% has UTT.

[pcworks]

I think the Twinmos sticks depend on how old the etailer's stock is. If they have had a recent shipment then they should have WinbondUTT modules if you get older stock they will probably be older mosel modules.

Rob H

[enzoR]

so all new twinmos should be UTT?

[trans am]

so all new twinmos should be UTT?


no. all new twinmos speed premium should be utt. after week 0446 or until xs members clean their supply.

[conrad.maranan]

Man, Alvin. You sure are doing your homework on this one. You should have your title changed to Xtreme UTT Guru. :D

[quicksilverXP]

So... I guess we all wait for Newegg.

[TEDY]

i gotta get these 2*512 :)

[gulp35]

what type of supply is there of the UTT chips? Should I buy now or are they going to be around in 3 months at about the same price?

[enzoR]

hehe same here!

[gulp35]

http://www.people.freenet.de/darkcrawler/ram/kingston/2.jpg
Chips from the kingston Ram on Page 3... Looks to be ProMOS chips as mentioned in the ocforums.com dissussion of the VX chips... I thought I heard that the 4SAT5B chips didn't do too well?

I went to the ProMOS site, and downloaded the part numbering pdf and the chips on that ram are as follows

V: ProMOS
58: DDR
C: CMOS
2: 2.5v
25680: 32x8
4: 4 banks
S: SSTL_2
A: 1st revision
T: TSOP
5B: 200MHz @ 2.5-3-3
: 0-70C

[mcnbns]

I was just looking at the VX thread again, and I realized that it looks like the guy that tried to blackmail OCZ was right about the chips they used. :D OCZ posted the message he sent them, which actually supposedly revealed the chips they used, but then they made a mockery of it so no one would believe it. Clever!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=635325#post635325

As much as I love you, OCZ, I'm cheap. Here's to your ingenuity, though! :toast:

[enzoR]

what type of supply is there of the UTT chips? Should I buy now or are they going to be around in 3 months at about the same price?

winbond is planning on produceing more later

[enzoR]

http://www.people.freenet.de/darkcrawler/ram/kingston/2.jpg
Chips from the kingston Ram on Page 3... Looks to be ProMOS chips as mentioned in the ocforums.com dissussion of the VX chips... I thought I heard that the 4SAT5B chips didn't do too well?

I went to the ProMOS site, and downloaded the part numbering pdf and the chips on that ram are as follows

V: ProMOS
58: DDR
C: CMOS
2: 2.5v
25680: 32x8
4: 4 banks
S: SSTL_2
A: 1st revision
T: TSOP
5B: 200MHz @ 2.5-3-3
: 0-70C


the chips on the kingston on page 3 is different. that is winbond notice the 2 large dimples. the thing about value ram is that kingston just slaps any chips on there that they have too much off.

[gulp35]

You can see the dimples in that pic they are just distorted because of the angle of the shot, the chip closest to the right you can see better than on the left. this pic is in the same folder that the last pic was from... even though that does not garuntee that it is the same, it greatly increases the chances

[enzoR]

hmm ok so promoss might have it too

[Playful_Buffalo]

good stuff, i will definately consider it for my intel rig

(once i get my OCZ powerstream ;))

[Skip]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=84387&CatId=1354

are those kingstons the ones you posted? there is an extra K at the end of these chips, but maybe that is tigerdirect being retarded, considering they have pictures of kingston ram when its supposed to be mushkin. But in chicago there is an outlet and i can go look at the actual chips. So if these are candidates i will take a look at the store and come back with steppings and stuff.

[enzoR]

i doubt that it.
its really hard to tell with kingstons the product code is always the same ect...

[Skip]

well tigerdirect only stocks corsair, kinston, mushkin, and pqi, simpletech, ultra, PNY.us modular, premium, k-byte, cybertron, ibm, hp/compaq.

if there are any possible leads of winbond utt on any of these ram makers, please let me know and i'll go to tigerdirect with a list and check them out.

[enzoR]

cant u order from newegg?

[Highland3r]

My stick of ram arrived from Komplett.co.uk today.

Unfortunately I got the AADT ram as well :mad:

The full details of the stick is:

Part number : M2G9108A8AMK 9F081AADT
Model number : M2G9108A-MK

marking on chips are : Mtec 0447D TTD7608F8E50D

They boot at 2.6v upto 235mhz at cas2 3-3-8 2T on my arock mobo. My OCZ booster should be back from RMA tomorrow from OCuk.

Oh well, didn't get the UTT but this ram runs OK. Cannot complain for £21

Rob H

What did you order?

[Skip]

cant u order from newegg?

yea i can, but what i'm saying is maybe i can go to the store and check out some other brands like corsair or kingston and see if they have winbond utt and let you guys know that there is more than just the twinmos and possibly adata.

Its the only place near me like that and i could go and look at the module i would be buying.

[enzoR]

well yes then you can take a look at the kingston if you are gonna see them in person. look for the right chips. 2 big dimples.

[pcworks]

What did you order?

I ordered this stick, now they have put the price up another £1!!

Non Winbond UTT twinmos stick (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL)

I think Komplett have caught onto this thread and are going to keep on increasing their prices on these sticks.

Rob H

[enzoR]

What did you order?

he bought these (http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=112665&cks=PRL)

[Jessfm]

Drew a blank today , no UTT for me. I hunting a few other stores tomorrow . Il llet you know if I find any.

[Bennah]

Gunner order some Twinmos from komplett tomorrow. Im trying the normal 3200 and the twinmos with w/ winbond. A mate, GazC ordered the normal twinmos. Collect our findings and go for the best, well thats what im going to be doing anyway ;)

[gulp35]

http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-146-219-02.JPG
Mushkin looks to be using the Brainpower PCB, I'd put a higher emphasis in seeing whether the brainpower pcb using brands are using UTT

Edit} the EGG doesn't show it using 2.5-4-4 *4-blech* so I wouldn't be so sure that it is using UTT but who knows

[gulp35]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-200-035&depa=1
these look to be using the ProMOS

[Bennah]

These got a chance being good sticks?

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601520

[Rabbi_NZ]

These got a chance being good sticks?

http://www.tekheads.co.uk/s/product?product=601520
the old PC3700 twinmos used to be amazing in the NF7 days... the chips were marked with 43B then... 4.3ns = DDR466

if these are UTT but rated at 4.3ns they will be tested to a higher level... cant be a bad thing!

[Bennah]

hm, I dunno to take the plundge or not...

[Rabbi_NZ]

hm, I dunno to take the plundge or not...
ring them up and see if they are UTT... if they are buy them

[Jessfm]

ring them up and see if they are UTT... if they are buy them

Chances are they would'nt know . shops in UK are not always too helpful when you call them.

[Kamz]

Chances are they would'nt know . shops in UK are not always too helpful when you call them.

Email them, i once wanted to know what week codes thier current winchesters, and 3700 754 were, and they responsed quickly with the full information.

If you were to ask what ram is on the sticks im sure they would get back with the info...

Furthermore, what ram is likely to be the UTT, im thinking of getting these 2* 512 sticks,


http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113518&cks=PRL

or should i wait for more 512 sticks of winbond version to come back in stock???

[tictac]

or should i wait for more 512 sticks of winbond version to come back in stock???

when the new stock arrive they will sold out in no time... make sure you ready 24/7 :)

[tictac]

thats some xtreme phoneing for finding xtreme ram. :D

lol i agreed

sending email while phone is xtreme job :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Skip]

simpletech at newegg has the two dots, http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-150-345-04.jpg/20-150-345-03.jpg&CurImage=20-150-345-04.jpg

you can only see the middle dots on the farthest chip on the right. and brainpower pcb. that looks very promising.

[celemine1Gig]

simpletech at newegg has the two dots, http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-150-345-04.jpg/20-150-345-03.jpg&CurImage=20-150-345-04.jpg

you can only see the middle dots on the farthest chip on the right. and brainpower pcb. that looks very promising.

Well I can't see the dots and to be honest, this looks quite suspicious. The small dot on the edge of the chip (right corner) is IMHO much bigger than on Winbond Chips. So I'd say that this RAm is not Winbond based.

[Revv23]

I cant see the dots period...

just ordered the Twinmos 2700 with the AA4T sticker on it, hopefully thats what ill recieve... ill have it in a week to let you guys know

[Skip]

you can only see the one side of the double dot on the farthest left(sorry, the right dot, excuse the dyslexia) dot.

i'm also on a laptop and the screen is very very bright. turn up your monitors brightness and have another look, you will see the bottom left dot on all chips, and on the farthest right chip you will see the right one of the double dots.

[Jessfm]

Email them, i once wanted to know what week codes thier current winchesters, and 3700 754 were, and they responsed quickly with the full information.

If you were to ask what ram is on the sticks im sure they would get back with the info...

Furthermore, what ram is likely to be the UTT, im thinking of getting these 2* 512 sticks,


http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=113518&cks=PRL

or should i wait for more 512 sticks of winbond version to come back in stock???

I think that is UTT , but its still kinda hit & miss. the MK are not for sure.

[Skip]

okay, why isn't this stickied?

[Revv23]

you can only see the one side of the double dot on the farthest left(sorry, the right dot, excuse the dyslexia) dot.

i'm also on a laptop and the screen is very very bright. turn up your monitors brightness and have another look, you will see the bottom left dot on all chips, and on the farthest right chip you will see the right one of the double dots.

i think your seeing things, i downloaded the picture and zoomed in right on the IC's. stil cant see the dots.

[Skip]

right below the H on simpletech! i know its there! i see it.

can anybody else see it! help!

[sparkie34]

*rubs eyes* I don't see :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:.......lol

[Skip]

wow, this is really weird.

turn up the monitors brightness, i'm on a laptop, that is very bright.

[Reefa_Madness]

With all this voltage running through this ram is anyone concerned about cooling?

If you are, here is a link to a site that has pictures of a possible solution. It seems to work pretty good on this guy's PC2700.

http://www.kaltmacher.de/viewtopic.php?t=32848&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Hey Rabbi,

Here we go again, chasing down a specific ram at every online retailer known to man. Weren't we doing this not too long ago?

[Skip]

thats gorgeous cooling.

but i'm not too worried about it. if i get this ram or vx the system will have an xp-90 on it so that helps to cool the ram a bit.

[GazC]

that stuff doesnt say speed premium though but i'll wait on your results :)
hopefully it is the same stuff.

I'd have got speed premium but it isn't on sale in the UK :(

[Highland3r]

So how many people have ordered the (utt) TwinMos from uk (komplett) Kinda tempted to take the plunge, even for just 1 stick... If its decent it'll go nicely with the current 512 of CH5 for 768mb....

[hipro5]

Winbond chips can ALSO be identified of the FOUR metal spots they have at the end (corner) of each chip close to every corner of it.........Two metal spots on each side....... ;)

[esdee]

Winbond chips can ALSO be identified of the FOUR metal spots they have at the end (corner) of each chip close to every corner of it.........Two metal spots on each side....... ;)

hipro5 i think i have seen those metal spots on Jetram RAM and they were definately not winbond! ill have to check !

[GazC]

Winbond chips can ALSO be identified of the FOUR metal spots they have at the end (corner) of each chip close to every corner of it.........Two metal spots on each side....... ;)


Nah, Samsung and Micron ICs have them too.

[hipro5]

Yes but they HAVE to have two rounded dots on the chip and four metal spots on their corners too........ ;)

[swami]

or should i wait for more 512 sticks of winbond version to come back in stock???

heh, i got the last 4 of those 512 winmos, will report back with what have you!! :banana4:

[Reefa_Madness]

Just wanted to pass this along.

The guy that works at Fry's and found the OCZ PC2700 with the M.tec chip posted over at OC Forums that they are carrying the KVR with these chips as well and they are 512MB sticks. If anyone is near a Fry's they just happen to be running a rebate offer as well so they can be had for about $55-$60 (after tax, net of rebate).

Only problem about the rebate is the old "one per household" rule, but we all know how to get around that. :)

[GazC]

Chances are they would'nt know . shops in UK are not always too helpful when you call them.

Tekheads aren't too bad for stuff like that but Komplet are totally clueless/unhelpful. I think the best guys for checking steppings etc are CPU City, but afaik all their Twinmos stock is too old to be of any use in this situation.

[death metal]

so, can someone make it simpler? i've read the thread from start to finish, and still confused. howver, what i gathered:

(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) AA4T (not AADT)
(*) Metal Dots
(*) 44D (or 50D) TMD marking

So, did I miss or screw something here? What else do I need to check? I can only check for these markings at the store without actually needing to plug them in a PC. Thanks...

[Reefa_Madness]

so, can someone make it simpler? i've read the thread from start to finish, and still confused. howver, what i gathered:

(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) AA4T (not AADT)
(*) Metal Dots
(*) 44D (or 50D) TMD marking

So, did I miss or screw something here? What else do I need to check? I can only check for these markings at the store without actually needing to plug them in a PC. Thanks...

All of the above are correct.

The only reason for looking for the "Speed Premium" variety is the Brain Power PCB, otherwise, the regular TwinMOS meeting the other criteria will have the right chips.

In addition to the "two dots marking" which I presume you to mean the Winbond circular markings on the chips, there is also the small hole in the lower left corner of the chip. The metal "dots" on the sides of the chips are more like a protrusion, just a small metal band, almost like a little staple along the edge of the chip.

The PC2700 rated chip, which is the "60D" has also been identified as being able to hit the same high speeds and it has been found in in OCZ's value ram, which I think they call their Premier Series (it has the BP PCB also), as well as the TwinMOS.

Good hunting!

[Benny Lodewijk]

Got one pair 1 GB (512 x 2) less than 200$

http://www.geocities.com/benny_nejkt/267MHz_2225_mem.txt

[death metal]

tnx reefa

[gulp35]

You should be able to get them for less than 150$USD

[Benny Lodewijk]

hohohoho in my country ???? impossible :D :D

[gulp35]

Oh... I didn't see that... Best of Luck in OCing those

[Bennah]

simpletech at newegg has the two dots, http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=20-150-345-04.jpg/20-150-345-03.jpg&CurImage=20-150-345-04.jpg

you can only see the middle dots on the farthest chip on the right. and brainpower pcb. that looks very promising.

Turned up the brightness and contrast... I see one middle dot on the IC far right (middle dot nearess top) cant seem to see the other one though. Havnt got PS installed to probe for further investigation :D

[Revv23]

upon looking again i do see that top dot on the far right, but thats the only one i see, hmmm...

[trans am]

http://mitglied.lycos.de/coolinglimit/Cooling/Ramcooler/Cooler3.jpg

That is unreal!

[TEDY]

/me drools

[Reefa_Madness]

That is some might fine work there, isn't it?

I just had to share it.

[Reefa_Madness]

tnx reefa


You are welcome.

All of our thanks go to they guys that have done the hard work of identifying these chips.

The rest of us are just out on a hunting expedition.

[trans am]

Fed ex came. so, I will have the twinmos SP 512 sticks and my 2nd 256 stick when I get home! Everyone let's just take a moment for a silent prayer to the overclock gods.

[GazC]

Fed ex came. so, I will have the twinmos SP 512 sticks and my 2nd 256 stick when I get home! Everyone let's just take a moment for a silent prayer to the overclock gods.

Sorry dude, I'm saving all my prayers for mine! :D ;)

Seriously though, good luck with them :toast:

[HermS]

Everyone let's just take a moment for a silent prayer to the overclock gods.

Next step is human sacrifice. :eek:

[esdee]

Fed ex came. so, I will have the twinmos SP 512 sticks and my 2nd 256 stick when I get home! Everyone let's just take a moment for a silent prayer to the overclock gods.

i wish the best! :toast: :toast:

I edited the first post so that we have everything tha is confirmed so far on what chips to look for!

[X-GeN]

so, can someone make it simpler? i've read the thread from start to finish, and still confused. howver, what i gathered:

(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium
(*) Two Dots marking
(*) AA4T (not AADT)
(*) Metal Dots
(*) 44D (or 50D) TMD marking

So, did I miss or screw something here? What else do I need to check? I can only check for these markings at the store without actually needing to plug them in a PC. Thanks...

- 2 Dots
- AA4T
- 2 Metal dots on both sides
are correct

but, the ram doesn't have to be speed premium ! I have standart twinmos ;)
and they aren't only 44D and 50D. mine are 60D :D

[trans am]

- 2 Dots
- AA4T
- 2 Metal dots on both sides
are correct

but, the ram doesn't have to be speed premium ! I have standart twinmos ;)
and they aren't only 44D and 50D. mine are 60D :D

I would say speed premium after week 46 2004

[X-GeN]

I would say speed premium after week 46 2004

so how does mine do over 265mhz 2-2-2-5 ?

[trans am]

so how does mine do over 265mhz 2-2-2-5 ?

I'm saying if you want the chips on speed premium look after week 46. this could be when twinmos decided to use utt on the speed premium series.

[X-GeN]

I'm saying if you want the chips on speed premium look after week 46. this could be when twinmos decided to use utt on the speed premium series.

ok now I understood :D

[Rabbi_NZ]

Hey Rabbi,

Here we go again, chasing down a specific ram at every online retailer known to man. Weren't we doing this not too long ago?
hehehehe, I still have those Micron sticks in my draw... actually trying to sell them now that I have VX.
this is what it's about for those of us without piles of coin though.... wait for the "budget" series and pray for a gem!
Good to see you again bro :)

[trans am]

hehehehe, I still have those Micron sticks in my draw... actually trying to sell them now that I have VX.
this is what it's about for those of us without piles of coin though.... wait for the "budget" series and pray for a gem!
Good to see you again bro :)


Word!
I have the money, but it's so much more rewarding finding inexpensive products and making them perform on par or better than the pricey components. Isn't that what overclocking is in the 1st place?

[seldomsean]

Word!
I have the money, but it's so much more rewarding finding inexpensive products and making them perform on par or better than the pricey components. Isn't that what overclocking is in the 1st place?


Yes it is...

here's where i am after 1 night of burn-in :D

EDIT: This is from the link you posted earlier in this
thread(Newegg)
EDIT#2
here's what i got...PC3200-256(DDR400)U-Dimm 184 PIN
Model# TMSP400/256
I'm just assuming that "U-DIMM" means UTT/Winbond ???

[trans am]

Yes it is...

here's where i am after 1 night of burn-in :D

EDIT: This is from the link you posted earlier in this
thread(Newegg)

how many volts? this is 1 256 stick of speed premium?

[seldomsean]

how many volts? this is 1 256 stick of speed premium?

Im burnin with 3.10...

And yes this is the same 256Stick you first recevied
EDIT: See my post edit for the Model#

[GazC]

@ seldomsean

O/T, what is that funky taskbar in your screen shot? :slobber:

looks quite smart, I'm not sure if i'd use it myself though

[trans am]

What is the max you found? I started at 3.4v@250mhz and worked my way up to 270mhz, then backed it down to stable speed od 267 and then looped memtest86 for 24 hrs for burn in. I'm anxious to see what your max is with the same configuration. We are both using the same boards.

Is that some kind of Nintendo Super Mario task bar?

I got my final response form ADATA....


"Nope, all our DDR modules have only one small circle mark at the bottom
right hand corner of the IC. I checked the DDR 333, 400 modules (128,
256 MB)."



Stephen Su

A-DATA Technology (USA)

[mcnbns]

I'm sorry for asking so many times, but does anyone know where to buy TwinMOS memory in Canada? Duty from the US is killer...

EDIT: I've found these cheapo memories (I've read this entire thread, but I'm still a little confused about where Kingston Value stands.)

512MB PC3200 Kingston ValueRAM at NCIX.com (CAS 2.5 version) (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10663&vpn=KVR400X64C25/512&manufacture=Kingston)

512MB PC3200 Kingston ValueRAM at Tigerdirect.ca (CAS 3 version) (http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=235775&CatId=147)

512MB PC3200 Infineon cheapo at NCIX.com (http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=10132&vpn=INFINEON3200-512&manufacture=RAM)

Infineon has the rights to Winbond's chips, right? Is there a chance that there may be Winbond UTT on their OEM stuff?

I'm just throwing ideas around here... I'd really like to hear if anyone knows where to get TwinMOS stuff in Canada. I'll do some more Googling and see if I can't find a source.

[tictac]

ok two of my friends already got winbond UTT from the speed premium :banana: :banana: :banana:

lucky them.... :toast:

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/267MHz_2225_mem.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/IMG_0636_resize.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/chipset_confirmed_resize.jpg

[trans am]

I'm sorry for asking so many times, but does anyone know where to buy Twinmos memory in Canada? Duty from the US is killer...

I found a bunch of twinmos mems new on ebay. Maybe find some and ask seller about circles. As far as Canada goes, I'm not much help. Why not contact Twinmos and ask if they have Canadian resellers.

ok two of my friends already got winbond UTT from the speed premium :banana: :banana: :banana:

lucky them.... :toast:


I think that is what's is waiting for me at home.

[seldomsean]

What is the max you found? I started at 3.4v@250mhz and worked my way up to 270mhz, then backed it down to stable speed od 267 and then looped memtest86 for 24 hrs for burn in. I'm anxious to see what your max is with the same configuration. We are both using the same boards.

Is that some kind of Nintendo Super Mario task bar?

@ trans am...

No it's not Nintendo but now that you mention it "Sure looks like it"
My 8year old put that there :D Well i haven't tried to find my Max
yet but i will do it now ;) Also change out the "Theme" :eek:

I will post a screenie of what i can get(Max)
In the meantime have you seen this thread...http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=49660
267@2.0-2-2-x Dual Channel(939) :banana:
EDIT: Ahh TicTac beat me to it ;)

[Rabbi_NZ]

seldomsean,
up your vdimm to at least 3.2v to get those modules clocking right... my VX did jack until I gave them over 3.0v... 3.2v is when they made the biggest MHz increase.

[seldomsean]

seldomsean,
up your vdimm to at least 3.2v to get those modules clocking right... my VX did jack until I gave them over 3.0v... 3.2v is when they made the biggest MHz increase.

Yea i need to install my Booster...I'm gonna do it "right Now"

[enzoR]

show us some results! :D

[seldomsean]

seldomsean,
up your vdimm to at least 3.2v to get those modules clocking right... my VX did jack until I gave them over 3.0v... 3.2v is when they made the biggest MHz increase.

Don't know why i started Burn-in Without my DDR Booster... :confused:
I have been Very Busy and now i have 4Days off :banana:

Anyhow this is Much Better...

@enzoR, I'm sticking to this thread like "Flys on $hit"
So you know im gonna show some results...
Also want to thank you for the "GREAT" Find!!

-Sean

[mcnbns]

Reefer_Madness over at ocforums posted this link. It might be useful for showing people what to look for. About half-way down it shows the TwinMOS/MTec chips. http://www.biwa.ne.jp/~yok/TENJIKAN-DDR.htm

[seldomsean]

What is the max you found? I started at 3.4v@250mhz and worked my way up to 270mhz, then backed it down to stable speed od 267 and then looped memtest86 for 24 hrs for burn in. I'm anxious to see what your max is with the same configuration. We are both using the same boards.

Is that some kind of Nintendo Super Mario task bar?

I got my final response form ADATA....


"Nope, all our DDR modules have only one small circle mark at the bottom
right hand corner of the IC. I checked the DDR 333, 400 modules (128,
256 MB)."



Stephen Su

A-DATA Technology (USA)

OK...I'm right where you were 270@ 3.3v and that was as far as i could
go without a Reboot...I'm sure that with some more BURN they will yeild
even better ;) Right now im at 260 and its stable(Super_PI)& Sandra
so im gonna leave it there for the Burn...
-Sean

[enzoR]

wow... now... 3.5v :D

[trans am]

OK...I'm right where you were 270@ 3.3v and that was as far as i could
go without a Reboot...I'm sure that with some more BURN they will yeild
even better ;) Right now im at 260 and its stable(Super_PI)& Sandra
so im gonna leave it there for the Burn...
-Sean


just because you got into windows at 270 without a reboot doesn't mean it's stable. set in bios and boot right into memtest86 and select test. loop test 5 and 8. it's much faster at finding results, And great for burning.

[Rabbi_NZ]

wow... now... 3.5v :D
Second that!

[TEDY]

please someone point me to 512 modules ????? 10x

[seldomsean]

Second that!

Gotcha!! :D

just because you got into windows at 270 without a reboot doesn't mean it's stable.

Yes i realise this...I'm gonna have to Flash to 10/15 with memtest86
as i don't have a Working floppy...

[Reefa_Madness]

It's Reefa not Reefer _Madness...you are going to make people think bad (or good, I guess, depending on your perspective) of me posting my name that other way (Jimmy Buffet's way). You're not from the Boston area, are you...I had a teacher once from Boston that pronounced it that way. He told me I had a very "contemporary name", of course, that was back in 1973.

I believe the link above has already been posted in this thread, but I may have gotten confused (there is that Madness again) with another related thread. In any event, it is helpful but I would think most guys here probably would know a Winbond chip on sight.

The KVR has a quirk that maybe someone can help me with. I have a set that looks/appears to be the correct chips, however, there are only 54 legs/solder points (27 on each side) on the IC to PCB, instead of the typical 66 (33 on each side). That of course is how the older Kingston relabeled bh-5/bh-6 were, but these have mid 2004 (0423) production dates so they are confusing me.

I have not opened the box because they were expensive ($175 with tax for a 2x256) and since then I have ordered the TwinMOS. I was hoping that I could find a sale/rebate deal before my return period expired on these, but it doesn't really matter now, however, I'm more interested in the riddle of the 54 vs 66 legs.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this? I will probably end up returning them, as the Speed Premiums with the BP PCB appear to be a much better choice anyways.

[trans am]

ok two of my friends already got winbond UTT from the speed premium :banana: :banana: :banana:

lucky them.... :toast:

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/267MHz_2225_mem.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/IMG_0636_resize.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/nastechxtreme2/chipset_confirmed_resize.jpg

tic tac and everyone else. I just opened my newegg package and the 512 sticks have id sticker on ram that shows 44DT suffix. Should I open them? According to tic tac's friend he's also has 44DT so the AA4T theory could be wrong. I can't see dimples with them in the box because the stickers are covering the ics.

[Rabbi_NZ]

If they were advertised as AA4T and you received 44DT then you can RMA them anyway right?
May as well try them if you are guaranteed an RMA

[Reefa_Madness]

Did tictac's friends state they had the AADTs? I tried to look at them earlier when the pictures were up and could not tell. Is it in that other thread?

It would be nice if they rock as well, maybe the key is the date on them and not the codes (4 vs D)

[HermS]

There was someone in this thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=659275#post659275) that says he managed 250 and one of the screenies shows 44D chips.

[Rabbi_NZ]

maybe 4 for 256mb sticks, D for 512mb?

[trans am]

ok, i took one of the 512's out of the pack and tried to boot her up at 2-2-2 and no dice.
won't even post. It seems these don't have dimples and are from week 43. Also where it shows the date on the ic (middle line) it reads "0443D" the good ones just had the date ex. "04464" and no D at the end.
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22186&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22187&stc=1

[trans am]

Here are the good ones/ these are 256.

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22188&stc=1
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=22189&stc=1

[Rabbi_NZ]

maybe if the date ends in a "4" they r the UTT?

[sparkie34]

Mine are identiacal to yours trans. But I can make out the winbond dots on the chips. No boot here either. So twinmos is saying all the NEWER stock will have the utt chips?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Mine are identiacal to yours trans. But I can make out the winbond dots on the chips. No boot here either. So twinmos is saying all the NEWER stock will have the utt chips?
what is your date code sparkie?

[sparkie34]

0443D, reset the cmos multiple times. 3.4vdimm at 200mhz no go. The dimples are real faint. I'm talking real faint.

[HermS]

ah man, must've said the wrong prayers.

This is getting way too complex! Mind you if anyone works this UTT riddle out it'll be you I think.

[Reefa_Madness]

There was someone in this thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=659275#post659275) that says he managed 250 and one of the screenies shows 44D chips.

The 44D on the chips is good, trans am's 256 stick had those codes on the CHIPS, so did the guy posting over at OC Forums with the OCZ sticks. The TwiNMOS parts # is the one in question. If it ends in AA4 T they are good and if it ends in AAD T they are questionable.

Some one else mentioned the 4 vs. the D on the date code. That info matches the product codes...if it performs well..it has a 4 after the date AND on the parts # label, if it doesn't, the ones with the D after the date code also have it in the part # and these do not clock as well.

The TwinMOS parts number is just indicating the same thing that is being printed on the chips themselves.

This 4 is what we should be looking for and is indicating the Winbond chips, whether or not it is a TwinMOS or an M.tec chip, they both are holding true on this.

[Playful_Buffalo]

if there is any more controversey, i am gonna get a migraine