Xtreme Twinmos Memory! [Archive] - Page 13

Lord_RTKK

06-01-2005, 12:58 PM

Wow.... you feed your TwinMOS 3.7v.... how do you cool them? :D

I have a 12cm fan blowing directly over them (it is a low noise/low CFM´s fan...)
They doesn´t get hot, only slightly warm to the touch (they only get hot with memtest for a few hours)
BTW, I don´t have them @ 3.7v for 24/7 use, because my TwinMOS SP can do 263 error free with 3.4v + 0.03v, and the increase in performance between 263 and 270 is not noticeable, so I prefer to run them at a little lower speed but a great lower voltage... ;)

easypanic

06-01-2005, 01:34 PM

What volts are you giving to them??

Went from 2.8 up to 3.7V , no difference :(.

:stick:

easypanic

06-01-2005, 01:45 PM

Just to know, these chips don't even have the metal dots either.
It are rebabled mushkin chips, really wondering what they were before....

HousERaT

06-01-2005, 03:16 PM

I believe the mushkin blue chips are now very much binned... Perhaps the Muskin Blue chips are the throw-away stuff that can't make the Redline specs. I don't think anyone is getting the clocks with Blue that people were getting when they first came out.

omga14

06-01-2005, 10:56 PM

ridikolous

06-02-2005, 12:14 AM

well i just ordered 2 sticks of TMSP PC3200's. i see that alot of people are posting results with the nforce4 mobo's. i'll see what i can do with this dfi ut 250gb i have. hope i can get similar clocks. having the ocz powerstream helps some:) wish me luck.

my setup is almost as similar to urs im using twinmos sp 3200 512x2 right now on a nf3 250.... max oc i was able to push was 260mhz at 1.5 2 2 5.. but urs might be different and might be able to push it further... GoOdLUck!

[XC] 4X4N

06-02-2005, 06:32 AM

Just got my rma of twinmoss from newegg yesterday. I had 2x512 AA4T ch-5. It ran 260 2-2-2-6@3.5v. until 1 stick completely died and the other would only show as 256. Anyway both new sticks are 1A4T bh-5. Tested them separately in single channel. 1 will do 230 2-2-2-6 the other will do 235 2-2-2-6 Only went to 3.2v Still not sure about using the 5v jumper again. I'm a little dissapointed with these. My old sticks both went past 240 at 3.2v. Not sure if these will end up being as good as my old ch-5. Before anyone asks, I have always had 2 80mm fans blowing on the ram.

Garrett

06-02-2005, 06:54 AM

I'm afraid you got sticks that are worse, meaning 260 can't be reached :(

hovo73

06-02-2005, 11:57 AM

OK, here are the preliminary results with those PC3200 TMSP BH-5 sticks. I can't push them really hard right now because I have switched to 3.3V line on my DFI (all that talk about alleged voltage spikes and the board killing RAM had me scared) so basically I have up to only 3.15V stable VDIMM.

Winchester 3000+ (0444 I think)
DFI NF4 Ultra-D, 510-2 BIOS, using Orange DIMMs for now.
TwinMOS TMSP400, 1A4T, 44D, BH-5/UTT
MyGenie DRAM timings:
2-2-2-8-1T-07-11-3-2-2-3-3120-1-Enable
Increase-200-Level 7-Level 3-7-Fast-5.0-016-Disable-16x-7x-Disable

First impression, I used to have CH-5/UTT versions of these same sticks, and the BH-5 ones seem to be able to hold 2-2-2-x timings with a lot less voltage. I had no problem using these new ones with 2-2-2-x at 200MHz with only 2.7V (even tried it on NF2 platform), the other ones needed about 3.0V to 3.1V to do that.

Stick 1:
2.70V .... 200Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 210Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 220MHz .... Fail
2.80V .... 220Mhz .... Memtest 20 min pass
2.80V .... 230Mhz .... Fail (freeze)
2.90V .... 230Mhz .... Memtest 20 min pass
2.90V .... 240Mhz .... Fail (freeze)
3.00V .... 240Mhz .... Fail (3 ers)
3.10V .... 240Mhz .... Fail (1 er)
3.10V .... 238Mhz .... Memtest 6+ hrs pass, Prime95 Custom Blend 11+ hrs pass

Stick 2:
2.70V .... 200Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 210Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.70V .... 220MHz .... Fail
2.80V .... 220Mhz .... Memtest 75 min pass
2.80V .... 230Mhz .... Fail
2.90V .... 230Mhz .... Memtest 25 min pass
2.90V .... 240Mhz .... Fail
3.00V .... 240Mhz .... Fail
3.10V .... 240Mhz .... Fail
3.10V .... 238Mhz .... Fail
3.10V .... 235Mhz .... Fail
3.00V .... 235Mhz .... Fail
2.90V .... 235Mhz .... Fail
2.90V .... 230MHz .... Memtest 30 min pass, Prime Custom Blend 2 hrs+ (still running)

There you have it. I have had some problems with Stick 2 in the beginning. It wouldn't go any higher than 220 MHz. Raising voltage wasn't helping, actually it was making it worse. I was bewildered. I decided that I have a bad stick, so I moved on to testing Stick 1, and that one did excellent. The next day I went back to Stick 1, and now it passed 220 and 230, but no matter what I did it couldn't pass 235. Again, raising voltage from 2.9 to 3.0 and 3.1 didn't help move it up as little as 5Mhz. I might have to play with TREF, Drive Strength and Data Drive Strength values, as well as try Yellow slots to see if they make any difference. I am also planning to go to 5V line again (the RAM alleged RAM killing thing seems to have settled) and see how they scale with 3.2+ VDIMM.

omga14

06-02-2005, 01:17 PM

my setup is almost as similar to urs im using twinmos sp 3200 512x2 right now on a nf3 250.... max oc i was able to push was 260mhz at 1.5 2 2 5.. but urs might be different and might be able to push it further... GoOdLUck!
what voltage where you using and are yours the ch-5 utt's or the bh-5's? i heard that the sticks coming out of the california wharehouse are the bh-5's(1a4t's). i hope that i get the ch-5's instead by chance as i've heard that they are perfoming better thand the bh-5's lately. maybe the bh-5's just need more burn in time? oh well i should see these by saturday at least.

gundamit

06-03-2005, 02:27 AM

OK, here are the preliminary results with those PC3200 TMSP BH-5 sticks. Thanks for your detailed report. Just wondering what weeks your sticks were made. I just got another pair of pair of TMSP BH-UTT and the weeks matches the first pair i got "0509". The serial numbers on all four sticks are within 210 units of each other so I'm hopeful they'll all match up well for the 4x512 set-up I'm going to test on Saturday. First pair came from NewEgg east coast, second pair from west coast.

HousERaT

06-03-2005, 07:54 AM

o.k. hovo73 give um 3.2v..... Mine arrive today so I'm hoping for 1A4T sticks..... I'll be able to throw 3.3v at them with my J17 mod. Once the 5v mess gets straigtened out I'll switch back, as I don't want to lose any of my ram......

playah

06-03-2005, 06:39 PM

As far as I'm aware;

OCZ VX: = binned CH
OCZ VX Gold = binned BH
OCZ VX value = unbinned CH
Mushkin Blue = unbinned BH
Mushkin Redline = binned BH

EDIT: spelling :rolleyes:

I've seen other reports that Mushkin Redline is UTT/CH5

http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/

hovo73

06-04-2005, 11:56 PM

Update:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=892495#post892495

2-2-2-8-1T-09-15-3-3-2-3-3120-A-E-A-000-5-2-7-F-5.0-016-D-16x-7x-D

Stick 1:
3.2 V ...... 245 MHz ...... Memtest 25 min pass
3.2 V ...... 250 MHz ...... Fail
3.3 V ...... 250 MHz ...... Fail
(tried all kind of timing changes: TREF, Drive Strength, Data Drive Strength etc, can't get it stable at 250 MHz with 3.3, so I decided to burn-in at 3.2V and 245, see if that will make any difference. I will try higher VDIMM later.)
3.2 V ...... 245 MHz ...... Burning-in (1.5 hours so far)

Stick 2:
This one I think is bad, it is very temperemental. I am getting errors with it in Memtests tests 2 and 3 (and of course in 5 and 8), but somehow it ran P95 Blend with no errors for 12 hours once (haven't tried again). But it keeps failing SuperPi. On the first day I was able to get it error free at 230 MHz and 2.9V, but now it errors even with at 210 MHz. Once again I have tried all kind of voltage, and timing combinations. Right now I put that one aside, I will try it again later.

gundamit, how can I tell the week?

PS. I also got a set of OCZ EL Gold BH-5 and have been playing with them as well (more about that later). From all the UTTs I have owned I have to say that the best set was the very first non-Speed Premium UTT/CH-5 ones. Both stick went up to 264-265 MHz out of the box with 3.4V. Too bad they died.

smids

06-05-2005, 02:30 AM

TwinMOS SP3200 44B chips on Hsien Jinn PCB. 05094 BH5 1A4T.

I've just got myself 2 sticks of TwinMOS SP3200. I must say I'm pretty happy so far. It's running memtest all night @ 240mhz 2-2-2-5 1T @ 3.18V. It ran 40 passes of test 5 before it completed 26 passes of the entire memtest. 0 errors in test 5 from the 40 passes, 119 errors in 7.5 hours of the entire test however these errors all came in pass 5 of 26 and no errors have been recorded since so maybe it's burned in a bit now. I have a 120mm 2500rpm ~32dBa fan blowing right on them so cooling is no problem. All this has been done with only changing the CAS, TRCD, TRP and TRAS. All other settings on my Ultra-D are default/auto so with some tweaking I know I can get rid of those errors even if they do reoccur.

gundamit

06-05-2005, 03:04 AM

gundamit, how can I tell the week? They're printed on the memory chips. They'll have 05 (year) followed by the week number.

My burn-in on all four sticks is headed in the right direction. Hoping for a slightly better OC on these sticks.

http://img297.echo.cx/img297/2962/burnintest5wx.jpg

xenolith

06-05-2005, 11:47 AM

I've seen other reports that Mushkin Redline is UTT/CH5

http://www.techpowerup.com/memdb/

Some say CH, some say BH. "People in the know" here @ XS say they're UTT-BH. Officially, Mushkin is being very tight lipped about it... but who really cares as long as they're blistering fast, which they are...

hovo73

06-05-2005, 12:17 PM

OK, the printed dates are:

Stick 1: 05134
Stick 2: 05094

So they are weeks 13 and 09 of 2005. What does the last number (4) mean?

gundamit, why do you have 2-3-3-6 timings?

xenolith

06-05-2005, 12:25 PM

I believe the 4 at the end means which Winbond fab made the chip.

omga14

06-05-2005, 01:41 PM

i was wondering why gundamit was running 2-3-3-6 for burn in myself. i thought it was 2-2-2-5 for burning in.

HousERaT

06-05-2005, 04:43 PM

They're printed on the memory chips. They'll have 05 (year) followed by the week number.

My burn-in on all four sticks is headed in the right direction. Hoping for a slightly better OC on these sticks.

Let us know how high they go after burn-in...... a before and after would be nice.... Mine only do 244 2-2-2-5 3.3v stable in memtest. Haven't done any burn in yet.

gundamit

06-05-2005, 04:56 PM

Let us know how high they go after burn-in...... a before and after would be nice.... Mine only do 244 2-2-2-5 3.3v stable in memtest. Haven't done any burn in yet. Here's an update. Pretty sure 4x512 can't get as high as just two sticks but I'll keep pushing slowly

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http://img297.echo.cx/img297/3797/242x133x923362t1qj.jpg

If you want to check out my 2x1024 test they are here. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64206)

gundamit

06-05-2005, 05:05 PM

gundamit, why do you have 2-3-3-6 timings? 4x512 is already a huge load on the memory controller, so I'm letting it auto-detect the timings (except CAS 2) and see how high I can run it up before making an attempt at tightening the timings.

smids

06-06-2005, 06:15 AM

My Week 09, 05 44B 1A4T chips are doing really well. 2x512mb TwinMOS SP 3200.

Currently memtest stable @ 250mhz 2-2-2-5 1T 3.28V

Here's a mini recap of how they've scaled so far (without burn-in I must add - only had these sticks running for 1 day doing various tests of frequency). Not bad for £74 for 1GB:

All at 2-2-2-5 1T:

2.8V 200mhz
2.85v 205mhz
2.9V 210mhz
I then jumped to 3.2v (max before jumper change because I was bored :p)
3.2v 230mhz
3.2V 235mhz
3.2v 240mhz
3.3v 245mhz
3.3v 250mhz

Havent gone any further yet as I just haven't been bothered. Might try CAS1.5 though @ 250mhz.

Crazykooter

06-06-2005, 08:54 AM

I have my AA4T @ 250 2-3-2-5 3.24v right now and it seems to be stable. I am tryin to stay off the high voltage till the cold boot issue is resolved. I can and have run 265 2-3-2-5 @3.4v 100%. So it isnt bad memory but if I try for 270 with those timings and voltage it doesnt like it but will boot to windows just wont memtest or Spi.

Family man 72

06-07-2005, 12:56 AM

Got two individual Twinmos SP3500 512MB sticks. They are week 14 05 44B 1A4T. After some burning in they do 3D, memtest and SPI stable 245MHz 2-2-2-5-1T 3.3V. And this is on voltmodded Epox 9NDA3+.
Here are the settings:

omga14

06-07-2005, 09:20 PM

just got my twinmos bh-5's week 9 year 05.

smids did you go directly that high without any burn in? mine are kinda acting wierd. i uninstalled the nvidia ide software as i heard it's been giving people problems with overclocking so we'll see. i'll be posting by friday what i've gotten so far.

also can i do the burn in with both at the same time or just one at a time?

smids

06-08-2005, 03:04 AM

I just put both in first, then test individually after because I want dual channel running so it made sense to test that first. How I did it was basically this: Run at 2.8v first, seeing how high I can go passing 30-50 tests of test #5. When I pick up errors, up the voltage by point one, then test how far I can go again. All the way up to 3.3v. So the memory was being tested constantly for about a day. Maybe it had a mini burn in but certainly not a proper one. Overnight I left it to run at the highest preliminary stable clock the full test which might have helped burn in somewhat but not a proper burn in.

rzonealley

06-11-2005, 02:24 PM

just got myself a new toy today..
TMSP PC3500 BH-5 1A4T
still in burning in process.
currently doing 2-2-2-5@3V 200mhz
running for almost 4hours no problem.
later will hit higher volt with same setting.
after complete my 24hours marathon will
push this ram to the limit.

Cranox

06-14-2005, 02:34 PM

Twinmos speed premium 3500
Only @ 3.1v
http://cranox.com/Rest/Overclock/32M-240-31v.jpg

uwackme

06-14-2005, 02:46 PM

Somethings wrong there, my system at 250Mhz x11 does SuperPI32M in 26m54s.

smids

06-14-2005, 03:17 PM

Somethings wrong there, my system at 250Mhz x11 does SuperPI32M in 26m54s.
I was about to say exactly the same thing.

Cranox

06-14-2005, 05:13 PM

Hmm, i never pay attention on the time ( only see if mem is stable ) but now i also see that my time is at least 5 mins to much :(

Gonna check some things out

Cranox

06-15-2005, 03:20 AM

Hmm , even with some tighter timings i still get aprox 34 mins :(
Everything looks right , maybe i need a format or something ...

Here is shot of sandra and 1M pi

Edit : I think i know how it comes that pi 32M is so bad.
Even when i let it run in realtime the cpu usage is NOT 100% , somethimes 10% , 26% , 88% enz..
When i do 1M then almost the whole time is cpu usage 100% , weird things here
Can somebody help me :stick:
I made a new thread , help is apriciated

http://cranox.com/Rest/Overclock/sandra&1M-1024.jpg

DaWaN

06-15-2005, 07:50 AM

Some TwinMOS OEM 256mb stick @ work
Click here (273mhz 2-2-2-5 benchmark action) (http://nap.fol.nl/45.23.jpg)
:toast:

uwackme

06-15-2005, 11:54 AM

Maybe you have Thermal Throttling or something on, effecting CPU % activity. Or some other thing in the background running.

bkraptor

06-20-2005, 06:28 AM

2x512 TMSP PC3500 1A4T, consecutive S/N. Abit AN7 with 2T BIOS, 120mm fan @ 1000 RPM blowing over the sticks. I can hit ~232 @ 3.2V Memtest86 & 24h Prime95 stable - I keep them like this for 24/7 SETI@Home.

BUT, whenever I try to go over that, say 235, no matter what DIMM each stick is put in I get random errors in memtest #5 in the 995-1024 MB range - doesn't matter if I put stick 1 in DIMM1 and stick 2 in DIMM3, or stick 2 in DIMM1 and stick 1 in DIMM3, the same thing happens - always errors in that same 995-1024MB range. I've tried all possible combinations for DIMM1, DIMM2 and DIMM3 - nothing helps. This leads me to think that it is not the RAM's limits I've hit, but rather the mem controller's...? As a side note, I can't get the system to boot if I put them in Single Channel (DIMM1 + DIMM2). Anyone know what I can do to get rid of the same constant errors in the same range?

omga14

06-22-2005, 03:27 PM

been letting the pc3200 1a4t's i got settle in at 3.1v's to get em ready since i was having issues when i first got em'. i'll be posting tomorrow how well letting them settle did. i see others doing pretty good with these sticks but i seem to be having problems with mine. i hope my memory controller hasn't gone bad.

btw i heard that the new bh-5's coming from twinmos don't have that 3.3v spd chip, instead it's 2.5v's now. i hope i'm saying this right. anyone know the truth? it could be the reason some people i know are getting wierd stability issues over 3.1v's.

bradmax57

06-22-2005, 03:35 PM

4x512 is already a huge load on the memory controller, so I'm letting it auto-detect the timings (except CAS 2) and see how high I can run it up before making an attempt at tightening the timings.
Is that 1T or 2T?

Aslinger

06-22-2005, 04:27 PM

I use one Speed Premium PC3200 and one Speed premium PC3500 with a Asus A7N8X-E and Vdimm Mode. I can hit 230MHZ with 3.2V and CPC ON! :cool:

|3ourne

06-29-2005, 12:44 PM

has anyone any idea how this memory works on an intel platform ?
I would love to use some TMSP on an Abit AI7 with a booster. I get about 3.4 V with the booster.
Any help would be appreciated. The proc is 2.8e D1 ( i think ) .

smids

06-29-2005, 12:52 PM

It should work roughly the same. It all depends on the northbridge though. AMD's as you know have on-die memory controllers whereas Intel platforms use the chipset. That's about all the information I can offer you I'm afraid, not much of an Intel man myself. It should perform roughly the same though.

Lord_RTKK

06-29-2005, 01:58 PM

I have tried my TMSP 3200 CH-UTT in a friends Asus P4P-800 with booster, and I can´t hit 230 2-2-2 with stability, but the sticks run perfectly in my Ultra-D @ 270 2-2-2... ;)
BTW, it is only my personal experience, and in other intel system they could perform great...

omga14

06-29-2005, 09:53 PM

nice clock with the ch-5's but the bh-5's seem to not be doing as well on average as the TMSP ch-5's. sad thing is all the new TMSP's are bh-5. i'm waiting for an rma cpu cause my mem controller was bad. individually i can get 240mhz with one and 245mhz with the other @ 3.1v's(no burn in). any higher voltage and i get errors even when i go stock 200mhz.

Garrett

06-30-2005, 12:11 AM

True... the bh5's seem to suck a bit indeed, I got to test 2 sets of 2x512 Speed Premiums BH5 PC3500 at a Lanparty a while back, and man, not even 230 stable @ 3.7v!!!

Then I popped in my UTT CH5 Speed Premiums pc3200 and.... 260 no problem (3.45v)

Today I received my second set of pc3200 CH5 so I'm very anxious to try these out... I hope they do 267 too (max on set 1) so i can run 2GB of mem :D
That'll probably be @ 2T then but well... 2Gb just....rocks ;)

I still like my MSI Neo2 very much ;) especially with the 3.3v--->Vdimm mod
(OCZ Powerstream 520 PSU with the 3.3v line @ 3.5v)

xenolith

06-30-2005, 07:48 PM

sad thing is all the new TMSP's are bh-5.

Today I received my second set of pc3200 CH5 so I'm very anxious to try these out...

Okay, both these statements can't be true at the same time. Garrett, did you get your new TMSP sticks from newegg?

Only PC3500 SP's are BH5. I looked high and low on this forum for any updated info on this and found nothing to dispute the fact that PC3200 TMSP's are UTT-CH (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57054&highlight=twinmos ).

mike047

07-01-2005, 04:20 AM

Hi XENOLITH,

I don't buy the 512's, just 256 sticks.

The last 4 SP PC3200 sticks I have received from NE are 1A4T[utt/bh5?]

Several weeks ago, the 4 SP PC3200 sticks I got from NE were AA4T[utt/ch-5?]

These are single sticks, not sets.

Korpse

07-01-2005, 04:56 AM

are these safe to run at 3.6v with a 60mm fan on them?

over at EOCF ive seen them dieing at that speed, but we know that site is for light weights :P so decided to ask here :D

[XC] 4X4N

07-01-2005, 07:57 AM

are these safe to run at 3.6v with a 60mm fan on them?

over at EOCF ive seen them dieing at that speed, but we know that site is for light weights :P so decided to ask here :D

I had the ch-5 version running 24/7 at 260 with 3.5v. Had 2 80mm fans blowing over them. After about 2 months, 1 died completely, the other would boot up, but only be recognized as 256. There could be some issue with the dfi board, but I would say these can't handle the high voltage over time. Rma'd them to newegg and received the bh-5 ones. Not nearly as good though. Max at 245 with 3.6v. I've pretty much given up on these. Running some tcc5 now.

$ilver

07-01-2005, 09:36 AM

next week some UTT-CH from the new charge are going to be burned on my DFI nF4 :woot:

Garrett

07-01-2005, 10:02 AM

Okaaaaay... maybe I should have told that the second set is a used set ;)

And besides, I've never ever ordered something from Newegg, the stores here in Holland are pretty much ok so I don't need Newegg... yet :D

But the second set does 260 2-2-2 with 3.6v... not really fantastic imo... the 1st set does 265 @ 3.5v so that's a bit better.

I just tried all 4 together in my MSI Neo2 board, but that was not a very good idea :D
Since it's 4 double sided dimms together you can't run at 200 or higher, 166 max.

I could not get them stable, not even at 133... ah well 2gb of ram IS a bit much eh ;)

omga14

07-02-2005, 05:54 PM

HousERaT

07-03-2005, 01:29 PM

does anyone know why the "new" bh-5's aren't performing like the old bh-5's? i'm really hoping that these bh-5's i have just need to burn in for a couple of months and then start showing some real overclocking potential like the old bh-5's.

Why what's wrong with them?..... mine don't seem to be any better than my original bh-5. Both will do 260 with the right timings and lots of voltage. Burn-in helps out too.

longsiew

07-03-2005, 11:38 PM

I use one Speed Premium PC3200 and one Speed premium PC3500 with a Asus A7N8X-E and Vdimm Mode. I can hit 230MHZ with 3.2V and CPC ON! :cool:

Now, is my turn. I can run TWSP and Kingston Value Ram (Hynix BT D 43 chipset) in dual channel on memory divider (DDR333). They can hit 270mhz @ 3vdimm. Actually they can go 280Mhz but failed SuperPi even at 16k.

My sig
-----------------

Winnie 3000+@2430Mhz@1.55vcore
DFI NF4 Ultra-D (Rev.A3) Bios 615
TwinMos SP UTT 256mb x 1 (Another stick is faulty due to cold boot?? Will RMA soon) and Kingston Value Ram (hynix BT D43) 256mb x1 @ 2.5-3-3-7@3vdimm (Memory divider DDR333)
Leadtek PX6200TC 64mb (supporting 256mb) @ 410/710
IDE Hitachi 80GB 7200rpm 2 mb
LG 16X DVDROM
Gigabyte 52X CDROM
Panasonic Floppy
icute 420 watt PSU (20 pin)

metro.cl

07-04-2005, 12:25 AM

can anyone tell me whats the average oc of this speed premium model, maybe 250 2-2-2-5 on amd64 3.3v??

http://www.madboxpc.cl/catalogo/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=701

these are 50% cheaper than ocx vx here, we dont have mushkin redline.

TEDY

07-04-2005, 07:14 AM

cl? what country is that ??

high5

07-04-2005, 07:21 AM

chile?

vozbidder

07-04-2005, 07:28 AM

Good news for u guy : many Twinmos non SP 2x512 (week 05244, 1A4T) using Winbond chip. My one for sure BH-5, do 2-2-2-2 @ 200 only 2.7V.

Take it hurry :D

vozbidder

07-04-2005, 07:31 AM

can anyone tell me whats the average oc of this speed premium model, maybe 250 2-2-2-5 on amd64 3.3v??

these are 50% cheaper than ocx vx here, we dont have mushkin redline.

Yes, at least 250@2-2-2-5@3.4V. I had 2 pair of this RAM and both do 250@2-2-2-5@3.3V in A64 system

metro.cl

07-04-2005, 08:34 AM

chile?

thats right thanks for the answers

smids

07-04-2005, 09:12 AM

Yeah, no burn in mine did 2-2-2-5 1T 250mhz 3.28V.

omga14

07-04-2005, 05:34 PM

these are mine. same week PC3200 BH-5's. i am rma'ing my cpu cause i think it has a bad mem controller. one stick is fine in all dimms but when i put both sticks in i get errors even at stock speeds. on does 240mhz and the other 235mhz. both @3.1v's. it looks like they have the potential to be decent overclockers but now with the mem controller being like it is. yes i even tried 2T. this is all on a DFI LanParty UT 250gb(s754).

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/1705/mytmsppc3200bh50gc.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

smids

07-04-2005, 05:44 PM

Same week and model as me. Don't BH-5's just not 'work' on the nF2 though? There have been lots of reported problems getting them to run so perhaps the mem controller was fine?

omga14

07-04-2005, 05:55 PM

maybe it's this week not cooperating together. seems strange though. same ic chips and all should work just fine. i could see maybe not overclocking as well but not working at all? also i'm using and nf3 dfi mobo. here are a couple of pics of my IC chips:

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9435/icchip9rq.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us) http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/4562/icchip22uc.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

smids

07-04-2005, 05:58 PM

Exact same ones as mine. Two individual sticks currently running in dual channel. Of course, you can't get dual channel so there should be less compatability issues with the two compared with attempting to run dual channel. I know a two people who had nF2's and their BH-5 would just not work. Some others it did work. I'm sure if you ask about enough you will find someone who actually knows what they are talking about (unlike me :p) about this issue.

omga14

07-04-2005, 06:21 PM

thanks for attempting to help out. mind you i don't have and NF2 motherboard i have and NF3 motherboard. it's in the sig.

also does anyone know how the 44B ic chips are performing compared to the 50D ic chips? i have been doing a search but going through 100+ pages of posts is quite tedious and confusing since i keep thinking i missed something and keep going back.

smids

07-04-2005, 06:32 PM

OMG of course you do! Sorry it's 2:30am here and obviously i need some sleep! So sorry. nF2 was sktA not 754 :( which i know when i'm awake. :)

omga14

07-04-2005, 07:14 PM

no prob. rest well bro'. i'm not gonna get any sleep while i wait for my rma. sending it out tomorrow. could have last week but don't trust mail service over holiday periods. i'll post how it works out.

LittleDevil

07-05-2005, 12:31 AM

My twinmos :cool:

<a href="http://www.shrani.si/pics/25534725.jpg"><img src="http://www.shrani.si/pics/25534725_thumb.jpg" border="0"></a>

omga14

07-05-2005, 01:14 AM

i notice your cpu-z says 512mb for the ram. are you running one 512 or 2x256? my issue has to deal with 2 sticks in the comp at once. individually i can do decent overclocks on the ram.

largon

07-05-2005, 11:11 AM

I never thought these sticks (TMSP CH-UTT) really like low timings in the way they actually seem to do:
I was dabbling with bios/memtest to find 110% stable 24/7 (mem)clocks. I started from 200MHz 2-3-2-6 @ 2.5v. It runs flawless. Happened to try "defaults" - 2.5-3-3-8:

No boot @ 2.5v!

:rolleyes:

Crazykooter

07-05-2005, 11:47 AM

I rma'd my UTT twinmos and this is what I am getting back. Not good I think.
0522D
TMD7608F8E501

and the little sticker on the ram says...

M2G9J16A-TT
Not sure what this stuff is but I will find out more on thursday when I get it.

omga14

07-05-2005, 03:13 PM

maybe it's the new DH everyone has been dreaming about?:) well either way let us know how it pans out.

DeltZ

07-05-2005, 04:35 PM

what do you think these chips could be?

"TwinMOS 0348D TMD7608F8FE50D"

will try and find out if they have the dots...

Crazykooter

07-05-2005, 06:23 PM

what do you think these chips could be?

"TwinMOS 0348D TMD7608F8FE50D"

will try and find out if they have the dots...
I dont have the sticks yet. Its a long story but they got sent to wrong person when I rma'd them but the guy who has them sent me the chip #'s. I tried to see if they had 2 dots like UTT but I didnt get a answer. I am thinking these are just generic sticks of ram. Plus I am not expecting any oc out them. I have tried to look them up on google but I dont get anything on them. If they are junk sticks they will work well in my folding rigs. :slap:

AMD-me

07-06-2005, 12:30 AM

What kind of module is this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.asp?image=20-218-062-03.jpg,20-218-062-02.jpg&CurImage=20-218-062-03.jpg&Type=Refurbished&Description=TwinMOS%201GB%20(2%20x%20512MB)%20184-Pin%20DDR%20SDRAM%20DDR%20400%20(PC%203200)%20%20U nbuffered%20System%20Memory%20Model%20TMII400/1GB%20-%20OEM

mike047

07-06-2005, 02:53 AM

HI,
I believe the "50I" chips are .11 Power chip. CADT :(

Crazykooter

07-06-2005, 03:34 AM

HI,
I believe the "50I" chips are .11 Power chip. CADT :(
Oh well so I wont be doing much ocing with them then. :(

DeltZ

07-06-2005, 10:33 AM

I dont have the sticks yet. Its a long story but they got sent to wrong person when I rma'd them but the guy who has them sent me the chip #'s. I tried to see if they had 2 dots like UTT but I didnt get a answer. I am thinking these are just generic sticks of ram. Plus I am not expecting any oc out them. I have tried to look them up on google but I dont get anything on them. If they are junk sticks they will work well in my folding rigs. :slap:
found out...they don't have the dots :(

AMD-me

07-06-2005, 10:33 AM

So what does the dimple in the lower right hand corner mean? power chips?

Korpse

07-06-2005, 10:37 AM

just a really bad update on my regulat TM 50D UTT

currently at 260mhz 1.5-2-2-5-7-16 with 3.5v :D 2x512mb sticks

this stuff rocks

mike047

07-06-2005, 02:37 PM

Oh well so I wont be doing much ocing with them then. :(

Hi,
The set I have will run 230 with an XP 2400 mobile. [2.5-3-3-11] . It is on a vdimm modded Albatron KX18D, Voltage over 3.0 doesn't make any difference. I run it at 2.97v.

AMD-me

07-06-2005, 08:47 PM

So I take it this stuff doesnt ship with winbond chips anymore?

mike047

07-07-2005, 02:51 AM

So I take it this stuff doesnt ship with winbond chips anymore?

Hi,
The last 4 sticks of Twinmos SP PC3200 [256] that I bought from New Egg was 1A4T[utt/BH-5?] 44B chips with all the dots, etc.

New Egg doesn't have any SP listed right now:(

Crazykooter

07-08-2005, 01:38 PM

Well the new non speed premium twinmos is garbage ram. It doesnt oc for nothing. Oh well. I was expecting it. Just to let yall know so you dont buy this stuff if ya want to oc. :fact:

omga14

07-09-2005, 05:16 PM

Hi,
The last 4 sticks of Twinmos SP PC3200 [256] that I bought from New Egg was 1A4T[utt/BH-5?] 44B chips with all the dots, etc.

how did those 44B chips perform. the 2x512 bh-5 sticks i have are the same chips. i'm waiting on an rma for my cpu(bad mem controller) and was wondering if they're fairly decent or not. better, as good, or not as good as the 50D chips?

mike047

07-09-2005, 05:37 PM

how did those 44B chips perform. the 2x512 bh-5 sticks i have are the same chips. i'm waiting on an rma for my cpu(bad mem controller) and was wondering if they're fairly decent or not. better, as good, or not as good as the 50D chips?

I haven't had any 50D's, but the 44b's I don't like as well as the 44D's.
I am still on XP platforms, so I don't know how it would do on a 64.
I actually was happy to get the 44b but after trying it out a little, I was disappointed. Maybe with more testing I'll grow more fond of them:D

omga14

07-10-2005, 01:08 AM

so what have you been able to get out of em' so far?

mike047

07-10-2005, 04:19 AM

so what have you been able to get out of em' so far?

HI,
220, if I remember correctly, the 44D's go about 230 but with more voltage[3.375v] @ 2-2-2-11. I didn't test the 44b's real hard yet.

These numbers are capable of 24/7 folding, prime95/OCCT stable.

UnreaL

07-11-2005, 08:09 AM

I have 1 stick which does 2.5-3-3-8 @2.8v 1T apsolutely fine. I have had this stick for ages and works a treat.

My other stick (fresh from RMA, still AA4T) fails memtest 2.5-3-3-8 @2.8v 1T. It is apsolutely fine at 2T but fails 1T.

Does this mean a bad stick (and I can RMA?) or is this just... really unlucky? I mean will a burn in help or am I just stuck ...?

uwackme

07-11-2005, 10:03 AM

It means the new stick needs MORE than 2.8V to operate. Give it 3.0 and see what happens.

xenolith

07-13-2005, 10:24 PM

So is TMSP no longer produced and distributed in the US? Can't find them anywhere...

gundamit

07-14-2005, 05:52 PM

Yep. The party is over. No more cheap CH-UTT AA4T. Whatever loose ICs available were likely snatched up my the boutique memory companies. BH 1A4T may only be in the Europeon market under the "Twister" branding.

raydelee

07-15-2005, 09:58 AM

hello Xtreme Member,

me recently just bought dfi ultra-d , there are so many memory timing setting in the genie bios
so confuse, anybody here can just help me to set the timing on my UTT running 250fsb@3.4v (using booster) from the first line to till the last
thx

Garrett

07-15-2005, 10:14 AM

Hello raydelee, the term "Xtreme Member" is given to Registered Users who have 100 posts and more... when they get 1000 posts they are called "Xtreme Addict" if i recall correctly ;)

raydelee

07-15-2005, 11:24 AM

Hello raydelee, the term "Xtreme Member" is given to Registered Users who have 100 posts and more... when they get 1000 posts they are called "Xtreme Addict" if i recall correctly ;)

sorry! i'm just newbie here :toast:

Family man 72

07-16-2005, 03:01 AM

Added another 2x512MB of Twinmos SP3500 BH-5. After some burn-in these are windows-memtest, SPI32M, 3DMark, etc stable clocks. Here's SPI1M for comparison:

fareastgq

07-16-2005, 10:22 AM

easiest way to hit 250, set your ram timings to 1T, run a 1:1 ratio, set your main 4 timings to 2 2 2 6-10, set everything else to auto. crank the volts :) Once you find a stable spot, then u can tweak the rest of the timings.

Techmasta

07-20-2005, 03:11 PM

Don't order any of the TMSP from Newegg's refurbs no matter how tempting it is. I ordered two 512mb sticks; one wasn't SP and the other errored in memtest at the rated speed and timings at any vdimm.

Time to RMA these sticks and order some Value VX...

nie_realny

07-24-2005, 11:29 PM

omga14

07-25-2005, 12:21 AM

how much voltage are you giving the ram? you might need 2.9v's or more just for stability.

nie_realny

07-25-2005, 03:47 AM

3.2v

esdee

07-25-2005, 06:36 AM

:welcome:

I am greet unhappy :shrug: ( I as yet) owner 4x512MB Twinmos I have BH5 UTT 1A4Tgdyż problems with achievement stable settings (even SPD) :{

All on 2x512B is OK

I wait on help :) you can pass (how mat 4x512MB) your settings from biosu

My config this:

DFI NF4 Ultra - D bios 412-2, A64 3000 + venice, chieftec 420W,

I apologize for my English

4 dimms and you must disable command per clock (aka you should have 2T enabled). this is not a RAM nor CPU issue, its a design limitation of the amd64 platform

nie_realny

07-25-2005, 09:31 AM

ok thx
I can not even put stable 200MHz 2-2-2-8 :{ on tension 3,2 V for 4x512MB, and 2x512 walks stable on 224MHz :{ gold memory

even SPD to it can break down on 4x512MB gold memory

i run only my system in 2T ang cry

esdee

07-25-2005, 11:21 AM

omga14

07-27-2005, 05:30 AM

xavicl

07-27-2005, 06:19 AM

Its normal if u dont cool the zone enough.

Meaker

07-27-2005, 09:00 PM

Twinmos 2700 256mb dual sided bought early 2003. Rated for 2.5,3,3,7

Chips read:

M.tec

02474
TTD7608F8E60B

Will do:

230mhz 2.2.2.5 2.9v

Probably will do more since my old NF7-S would only go that far.

szukalski

07-29-2005, 04:54 AM

has anyone here experienced a case with TMSP where if you up the voltage you get more errors? 1A4T to be specific about the chips. stable at 200mhz and up to 3.1-2v's. go over and error away. i'm not talking 10 errors here, i mean thousands on a single pass.

Yeah, I have 4 sticks of 1A4T SP3500 and found that issue with one.

Did some testing to try to find the best matched pair before burn-in, 2-2-2 @ 2.8v, 3.0v, 3.2v for max memtest stable (when I say stable, 10-20 passes, just wanted an indication of what they would do).

All of the sticks were about the same up to 3.2v, 2.8v = ~220, 3.0v = ~230.
At 3.2v, 3 sticks would do ~240, but the other wouldn't do anything but error, and error hard, even at the speed it was error free at 3.0v.

Out of the four sticks, the best performer was one that had been given some burn-in previously since it was from an earlier batch than the other three.
The other two sticks which did not error above 3.0v have been the ones I've been playing with this week, gave them a bit of burn-in and they're responding well (2x512Mb 2-2-2-5 252mhz@3.3/3.4v), doing 255 @ 3.4v but need more tweaking time to get stable. (I'm new to BH so it's a learning curve for me, may have been a setting thing, they seem to have a volt/setting range that you can't deviate from much).

I'm planning on giving the uncooperative stick a right royal voltage bashing to see if it will shake it's reluctance to work with volts, should be in the next couple of days, I'll let you know how it gets on.
My hunch is that it's 50/50 burn-in/settings for me. I have found a lot out about these sticks from working with just the 2 over these past three days, they are very finicky about having the right volts for the right speed with the right settings. TCCD seemed more forgiving since I never had to worry about having the right voltage for the speed, it was always 2.7v.

Big ups to Rabbi for supplying some awesome sticks, this holiday is proving to be great fun. :)

largon

07-30-2005, 01:48 AM

Does TMSP nowadays come with Brainpower PCB instead of KO-6633?

szukalski

07-30-2005, 04:58 AM

Still KO-6633..

Entity_Razer

07-30-2005, 10:48 AM

guys, this any decent for my "xtreme Twinmos memory"? :p:

It's not UTT but hey....

Brainpower PCB
Mtec labeld Chips
50B's & AMT in the serial

They do:
238MHZ 7-3-3-2T at the moment and I've got them to 6-3-3-2T but I lack the PSU for it at the moment :)

is this any decent for these chips?

Korpse

07-30-2005, 12:17 PM

^ Depend on voltage? :confused:

beta67

07-30-2005, 08:08 PM

Email from twinmos.

http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=twinmos0bm.jpg

szukalski

07-31-2005, 01:39 AM

Email from twinmos.

Damn.

Entity_Razer

08-01-2005, 01:38 AM

it's @ 2.9Volts

smids

08-01-2005, 10:31 AM

Email from twinmos.

http://img315.imageshack.us/my.php?image=twinmos0bm.jpg
Doesn't look good if I have to RMA any of my sticks. Luckily I bought 4 sticks of TMSP with Winbond BH5 chips (two in family computer running at stock :D) so if any goes wrong and I RMA only to receive non-Winbond, I've got 2 spare :D.

Chuck232

08-01-2005, 10:42 AM

omga14

08-02-2005, 02:29 PM

alot of different companies used the winbond chips. just post a pic and someone here can verify for you.

smids

08-02-2005, 02:54 PM

If you've got RAM sitting here (Kingston Value PC3200) that has the Winbond's two circles and the little small indent at the bottom right of the chip, are you pretty much guaranteed it's UTT or something? I've had a look through the pictures and my chips look exactly the same as the TMSP with the winbond chips but just with obviously Kingston markings. They're also older than when the UTTs seem to have started appearing. I got those two modules around September of last year.
Another good way of checking is setting the Vdimm to 2.8-2.9v and setting the timings @ 2-2-2-5 1T 200mhz. If it boots and runs memtest, it's UTT (most likely).

WARNING: Do not do this unless you know how to Clear CMOS on your board as if it isn't UTT, it will fail to POST

Element

08-05-2005, 11:48 PM

hi guys..

i Bought 2x512 twinmos pc3500, this week. but there are not bh5.

de last 4 code is: 1AAT.

14AT is utt bh5 but this???

LOOK the image

http://www.infohard.mpsnet.cl/twinmos.jpg

chip code:
A2S56030BTP
515ACN1P
Taiwan - 5

any info to tihs ram?

sorry my english
:D

gundamit

08-06-2005, 12:20 AM

The Twinmos web site is still saying their SP 3500 512mb sticks still have "BH-5 dies" but they also say "*All products specification change without notice". I've never seen that extra sticker in the middle of the stick - is that gold leaf on the sticker and IC? That sticker also has a recent production date so it might a revised version. Only way to tell what you have is to test it. Post your results ASAP. :)

high5

08-06-2005, 05:56 AM

those are powerchip ic's most likely, just like cadt & aadt.

i've seen aa-t's couple of weeks ago and ic's were labeled psc.

type_a_positive

08-09-2005, 05:58 AM

szukalski

08-09-2005, 03:15 PM

Got 2 512MB SP-3500 with 44B (BH-5) chips, and fitted them with individual chip-sinks (pic is coming). I`m not so familiar with BH-5 settings (got G.Skill GBLA), so if anyone could point me in the right direction, it would help me alot! Aiming for 250 at 2-2-2-5 1t... Yeah, I know, I might have to dish out for VX or Redline to obtain that....

I have 4x 512Mb SP-3500 BH-UTT that will all do 250mhz at these settings:
2-2-2-5-7-12-2-2-2-2-1-bank interleave enable @ 3.3v for 2 sticks
same settings but 3.4v @ 245mhz for all four sticks.

esdee

08-09-2005, 03:41 PM

I have 4x 512Mb SP-3500 BH-UTT that will all do 250mhz at these settings:
2-2-2-5-7-12-2-2-2-2-1-bank interleave enable @ 3.3v for 2 sticks
same settings but 3.4v @ 245mhz for all four sticks.

2-2-2-7-12-2-2-1-1 should work like a charm with the same voltage :toast:

szukalski

08-09-2005, 03:50 PM

2-2-2-7-12-2-2-1-1 should work like a charm with the same voltage :toast:

Cool, I'll try that when I get home tonight. :clap:

The Stilt

08-26-2005, 12:49 AM

Try to avoid those new Twinmos PC3500 Speed Premium sticks that have ACMT ending P/N:. Those sticks use rebadged Hynix D43 chips that can´t do 2-2-2-5.

So no more BH-5 / CH-5 UTT? :down:

largon

08-26-2005, 03:01 AM

A peep in a local forum reported these ACMT's doing 2,6V 2,5-3-3-8 260Mhz

Not bad for 2.6 volts, especially the timings are great for this chip.
I know these aren't high voltage chips but - from what I've heard - more can be expected with a slight voltage bump?

jien_xex

09-13-2005, 09:32 AM

I have 2 sticks of Twinmos 256MB PC3200 UTT (Winbond BH-5 chip), it's new BH-5 chip, right? The sticker on the ram stated "1A4T" & MTEC chip.. May i know how high the FSB can i go & what's the tightest timings for my Ram? Currently i'm running at 220Mhz@3.0vdimm (2.5-3-3-8). It seems like my RAM can't go any higher than 225Mhz... Can anyone of u help me to figure out the best timing?

Revv23

09-13-2005, 11:54 AM

1.5-2-2-5 is possible, probably 240mhz or more at 3.3v...

yeah, BH-5 it is.

xavicl

09-13-2005, 01:53 PM

i reach 250

jien_xex

09-15-2005, 03:03 AM

1.5-2-2-5 is possible, probably 240mhz or more at 3.3v...

yeah, BH-5 it is.

You mean i can get 240Mhz if i change the timing to 1.5-2-2-5? But one problem is my KV8 PRO doesn't provide such high vdimm. My mobo is not vtt modded. I'm just using a modded BIOS which allowed me to change the vdimm to 3.2v, but my system seems can't boot up if i use 3.2v..

Aleman

09-16-2005, 02:17 AM

and the funniest thing is:

Cas 1.5 isnt even 1.5 (lower than 2), its just a MADE UP NUMBER, but people think they're cool and stuff because they can 1.5 lol...

the magic number is 2-2-2-X. DONT FOOL YOURSELF!

Athens[2004]

09-16-2005, 03:04 AM

1-2 quick test's on a new non-burned 1X256 utt , waiting for the second one ;) to run few benchs :hehe:

3.56~vdimm [with 3.2 fron dfi does 260~ error free :)]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6712/untitled6bj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=38318

jien_xex

09-16-2005, 04:50 AM

']1-2 quick test's on a new non-burned 1X256 utt , waiting for the second one ;) to run few benchs :hehe:

3.56~vdimm [with 3.2 fron dfi does 260~ error free :)]

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6712/untitled6bj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=38318

Athens, what do you mean by this --> 3.56~vdimm [with 3.2 fron dfi does 260~ error free :)] ??

You're using Twinmos 256MB UTT BH-5 also? The same model as mine?

esdee

09-16-2005, 05:41 AM

Athens, what do you mean by this --> 3.56~vdimm [with 3.2 fron dfi does 260~ error free :)] ??

You're using Twinmos 256MB UTT BH-5 also? The same model as mine?

he used 3.56V for reaching 280Mhz,
with 3.2V from the DFI he got 260Mhz

smids

09-17-2005, 07:05 AM

Well one of my sticks just died on me after 4 months use. Been running @ 237Mhz 2-2-2-5 1T 3.2V with active cooling. TMSP 3200 BH5-UTT Week 9 Year 05 44B 14AT chips. I guess it was just bad luck really. :( Now I'm gonna have to run 512mb for a week + whilst I get my return. Added to that, my DVDRW drive packed up and is in an RMA now and it broke my windows CD. Not a great few weeks I've had with computers.

LittleDevil

09-17-2005, 09:52 AM

My twinmos 2x256 UTT 3.3V 262Mhz 2.2.2.5

sponge bob

09-18-2005, 11:31 AM

i have 2x512 atm AA4t
and on chips is mtec
05084
ttd7608f8e50d
what should i expect?

Garrett

09-18-2005, 11:34 AM

AA4T isn't that ch-utt?
what can you expect.. well you'll have to find out for yourself ;)

Garrett

09-18-2005, 12:09 PM

3.2V gives me 265 stable
That rocks.... got pics? :D :thumbsup: :toast:

sponge bob

09-18-2005, 12:41 PM

AA4T isn't that ch-utt?
what can you expect.. well you'll have to find out for yourself ;)
im afraid littebit, dfi killed my 2x256mb ch5( they where very good :mad: )
used 510-2 bios, is 704-2 safe to use?

Rabbi_NZ

09-30-2005, 05:58 PM

Just got RMA from TwinMOS Taiwan and the PC3500 SP they sent back are STILL 1A4T :D

szukalski... giv me an email at work or PM me here before Sunday night... my flatmate has a laptop so i can log into XS during the weekends again.

if anyone is interested... the new pc3500 is Week 31 2005 BH-UTT

high5

10-01-2005, 02:33 AM

could you post some results please? :D

omanhardware

10-02-2005, 10:45 AM

will my twinmos cheap memory (m.tec) going to die when using high voltge such as 3.3v :confused:

largon

10-02-2005, 01:23 PM

omanhardware,
If the part number on your M.Tecs ends in AA4T or 1A4T should be fine at 3.3V.
If it's AADT or CADT, it might not like it.

Oden

10-03-2005, 11:31 AM

What chips are 16ATT... not on the speed premium, but the PC3200 TwinMos standard. Looked in my local store, searching for bh-5 or ch-5 (1A4T or AA4T)

Bladesinger7x

10-07-2005, 10:07 AM

Can anybody tell me the max voltage these chips support and
what results can I expect when overclocking:

TwinMos PC3200 Dual channel Kit 2x 512 Mb - old Winbond CH-5
Markings on the ships are:
W942508CH-5
034251
433088900 (one side)/ 43312700 (other side)

Label:
P.N. M2S9J16AJAWB9F0811B-T
Model No.: M2S9j16A-WB
S.N. 344M35M33630676

Manufacturing Date (by Cpu-Z): Week 44, Year 03

sponge bob

10-08-2005, 02:27 AM

my AA4t can do 260 max with 3,4v 2-2-2-5 , with 3,5v same clocks
2x512 stick, goint to sell and get some bh5 (real one)

Malachia

11-04-2005, 07:44 AM

bokis

12-18-2005, 02:31 AM

It´s on auction in Sweden, can´t find any info on them, anyone :cool:
http://www.tradera.com/auction/aid_22263729

largon

12-18-2005, 03:59 AM

what about this?

the right one is twinmos with AA4T on stiker
the left one is m.tec, with AA4T on stiker

the left one doesn't boot at 200 2-2-2-5, is UTT?
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4599/screentwinmos0pl.jpgLeft stick is Powerchip/PCS "garbage" :( (partnumber in SPD ends in CAD). I guess you've bought it second hand?

Fr3ak

12-18-2005, 04:43 AM

My Twinmos Speed Premium pc 400 AA4T do about 255 2 2 2 5 at 3.2V. Not really tested the max of them yet, but on nf2 they only did 250 no matter what voltage (tried up to 3.7v). Was the mem controller of the board which was already maxed out I guess.

Postal Dude

01-03-2006, 03:30 PM

Lord_RTKK

01-03-2006, 03:35 PM

I jus got some of that acmt stuff. came packaged with bh5 on the label but no joy. Its the psc stuff. sum1 here said that the acmt stuff was relabelled hynix d43?? how well do these things work? what sort of volts can i give them? They are twinmos SP 3500

I dont know if they are Hynix D43 or not, but if they are, my old Vitesta DDR500 with Hynix D5 reached its top @ 2.9v, and anything higher than that doesnt report any benefit... ;) I supose that the D43 stuff performs similar to the D5... :confused:
Also put 3-4-4-8 if you want to reach high FSB´s with Hynix chips, from my experience, anything tighter than that was a no go with Hynix stuff... :stick:

Lord.

Postal Dude

01-03-2006, 06:02 PM

3-4-4-8? is the latency increase worth the extra mhz?
worth a try at least. im runnin 240mhz 3-3-3-8 @ 2.8v i think. burnin in prime95 custom torture between 1024 and 4096k ffts

Lord_RTKK

01-03-2006, 06:11 PM

3-4-4-8? is the latency increase worth the extra mhz?
worth a try at least. im runnin 240mhz 3-3-3-8 @ 2.8v i think. burnin in prime95 custom torture between 1024 and 4096k ffts

You will have to try if it worths for you...
I have sold my vitesta 6 months ago, so I dont remember what config I used, because it was with a 754 3200+... ;)
Give it a try, and tell us....

Lord.

Postal Dude

01-03-2006, 08:36 PM

Will see if its passed the 240Mhz 3-3-3-8 P95 1st. Im at work at the mo. Will check it when i get in. Change timings. Up to 250 and re-run P95 while im asleep. I kno they can hold 250Mhz 3-3-3-8 all day and all night in memtest. But windows dont like it. Will find maximum and burn them in while im on night shift

Postal Dude

01-03-2006, 11:28 PM

Lord_RTKK

01-04-2006, 05:48 AM

Ok guys. The PSC crap stuff that noone likes. 2.8v 3-3-3-8 240Mhz 11 hrs Prime Custon torture stable. currently doing torture at 2.9v 3-4-4-8 250Mhz.
Torture im doing is a custom one with 1024k for smallest FFT and 4096 for largest FFT. 15 minutes each FFT. off to bed now. See how its doin in 8 hrs :D

Since they are the chips that Adata Vitesta DDR500 mounts, they should be 100% stable @ 250 3-4-4-8. My old Vitesta reached abuot 280 3-4-4-8, I think that I have some screens... ;)

Lord.

Postal Dude

01-04-2006, 09:06 AM

9 hrs prime stable at 250 3-4-4-8 2.9v. They wont do it at 2.8 i jus get a windows freeze up. Jus done a Spi 32M with them at that. 29 minutes. Gonna see if i can get 3-4-3-8 with them tonight. See if i can tighten up the timings just a little bit. For £70 half decent timings ddr500 i cant complain really!!

omga14

01-12-2006, 02:11 AM

if anyone has a dead stick or problems with 2 sticks working together you could try the prog in this thread: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85533 . i couldn't even get 200mhz stable with my 2 BH-5's no matter what voltage. i wrote the SPD from one stick to the other and now can do a stable 240mhz @3.1v's . my board only goes to 3.2v's and reads 3.11v's actual in the bios.

gonna see what they can do when i get my 3700+ back from rma in my DFI 250gb with the options to go at least to 3.6v's(up to 4v's in the bios).

chester

01-18-2006, 07:10 AM

god when are u guys going to learn those days are over .even the origanal guy has forgot bout this post.i think ur last chance was when they had twinmos speed premium on sale at egg.when i hit 100 posts mine will b on sale for $50 for 2 256 mb sp that hit 255 on an35.theres no more cheap mem.utt or tccd.im just gonna wait it out and get some better mem when prices drop.its amazing.these guys are worse than gas sellers when they find out there products work.otherwise they try to give it away. period

Bluebeard

01-18-2006, 09:42 AM

.even the origanal guy has forgot bout this post.

original guy still around - but not fighting for TwinMOS anymore :nono:

Reefa_Madness

01-18-2006, 03:38 PM

Alonso,

I think he was referring to "esdee".

So if you are not with TM anymore, are you with someone else?

omga14

01-18-2006, 11:38 PM

szukalski

01-18-2006, 11:56 PM

well i was just trying to help those who may have good but appearing dead good TMSP's left over. waste of good ram if you got some of the good ones that could be revived with the app i mentioned. if for anything else they could sell the now revived ram and get something else. money is money and i'm sure everyone could use some more:D

Hahaha, all the world needs is... money?
I have a stick of TMSP that just might qualify for your method omga14 so your post wasn't in vain!
I'm keen to try it out once I get some spare time on my hands, and if it solves the problem then I owe you a beer :toast:

Bluebeard

01-19-2006, 01:35 AM

Alonso,

I think he was referring to "esdee".

So if you are not with TM anymore, are you with someone else?

stay tuned until March then the cards will be mixed new again ;)

omga14

01-19-2006, 06:23 PM

well if you owe me a beer for this you could end up on the winning end cause you'd have to come to hawaii to buy me one:D but the real credit goes to Waus-Mod who started the thread.

Reefa_Madness

01-19-2006, 07:11 PM

well if you owe me a beer for this you could end up on the winning end cause you'd have to come to hawaii to buy me one:D but the real credit goes to Waus-Mod who started the thread.

That thread started by Waus-Mod would probably have saved at least half of the TwinMOS ram that was reported dead in this thread...I bet those that would "die" and then come back to life after a few days might have benefited from having their SPD info reprogrammed...certainly couldn't have been any worse than making keychains out of them...or worse...RMA'ing them and getting PowerChip based modules back. :) I'm sure quite a few of them were run with both ClockGen and CPU-Z running at the same time. No reason to believe the problem could only occur when running an Asus/CT-479/Pentium-M combination.

******************

Alonso,

I'll keep an eye out for you in March...but only if you give me a hint/taste of what's to come :D

Bluebeard

01-19-2006, 10:13 PM

@ Reefa

will be something with fast memory - thats for sure! ;)

Postal Dude

01-20-2006, 12:30 PM

ok an update on my stupid powerchip or hynix modules. Whichever they turn out to be (either way theyre not the BH-5 i wanted from twinmos :( )

at 2.95v i can hit 270Mhz by loosening the tras to 10 (will this hit performance too much)

Still prime blending the things now. Think i gonna keep prime blending at this voltage to see if i can burn them in some more. If i can get 280 at this timing and voltage then my 144 im purchasing monday will at least be able to run (hopefully) FX-57 speeds at 1:1

Cmon cheap memory!!!!! Do it for meeeee

high5

01-21-2006, 12:33 AM

that is Hynix for sure... nice results BTW. :up:

but didn't you say your ICs were marked PSC? or you said your retailer told you they were PSC... :confused:

pingec

01-21-2006, 08:39 AM

Hello, I wanted to ask if you know at what timings and what clock would 2 pieces of Twinmos 512 3200 DDR go? (The chips are Twinmos 0349D TMD7608F8E50D and they have a half-cyrcle on the edge near the pins)

OH, forgot to tell that they are over 2 years old.

audiojunk66

01-22-2006, 04:55 AM

@ Reefa

will be something with fast memory - thats for sure! ;)

DH-5?

pingec

01-24-2006, 10:13 AM

So, anyone knows if my ram is any good? could i achieve at least 220Mhz?

Bluebeard

01-24-2006, 10:29 AM

why don´t you just test...?

pingec

01-25-2006, 07:48 AM

I cant, dont have the mobo atm and thinking about selling the ram, too...

Aleman

02-19-2006, 02:19 PM

A pal of mine got these memories:

M2G9JA8ATT9F081AA4

ends with: 1AA4

Now: He's able to do 2-2-2-x at 247MHz at 3.63V

What kind of chips could that be?

esdee

02-19-2006, 02:53 PM

A pal of mine got these memories:

M2G9JA8ATT9F081AA4

ends with: 1AA4

Now: He's able to do 2-2-2-x at 247MHz at 3.63V

What kind of chips could that be?

winbond chips should end with xxxx1A4T

is he able to run 2-2-2-5 at any volts at all?

Bluebeard

02-20-2006, 01:17 AM

winbond chips should end with xxxx1A4T

could also be that they are switching codes from time to time...

could be interesting when these sticks are produced -> fully info of sticker needed

i believe its Winbond - either "oldschool" or nex UTT (0,175 - BH)
the 1A is standing fpr 0.175 process and i think noone here is still producing ICs in 0.175 ;)

but like esdee said: why not just testing if 2-2-2-5 are possible with 2,7-2,8V then these should be Winbond based

esdee

02-20-2006, 05:11 AM

could also be that they are switching codes from time to time...

could be interesting when these sticks are produced -> fully info of sticker needed

i believe its Winbond - either "oldschool" or nex UTT (0,175 - BH)
the 1A is standing fpr 0.175 process and i think noone here is still producing ICs in 0.175 ;)

but like esdee said: why not just testing if 2-2-2-5 are possible with 2,7-2,8V then these should be Winbond based

nice to see you around alex :)

Reefa_Madness

02-22-2006, 03:54 PM

Alonso....remember this:

I'll keep an eye out for you in March...but only if you give me a hint/taste of what's to come

March is almost here. :)

dhetz

02-25-2006, 04:45 PM

hi guys,

i wanna ask..
my Twinmos SP3200 AA4T UTT 512x2 have error when i test that with Memtest86+

even only in 2-2-2-11 1T 200 Mhz @3v .., that AA4T have 55 error count! what the??!!!
and then when i set back toi standard timing 2.5-3-3-8.. that error still occur
so i think it's not about timing.. but bad memory modules

what should i do ? can i fix it before i choose RMA solution..because when i RMA, i dont think so that i 'll get winbond chipset again..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :(

Raybo

02-25-2006, 05:24 PM

dhetz

03-01-2006, 07:55 PM

ok ..i get it

Mobo DFI Lanparty Ultra B
i put vdimm @ 2.8 (std timing) and 3v (2-2-2-11)

my PSU .. SIlverstone ST405 400 watt
rail 12+ @ 11.95
5 v @ 5.1
(from multi tester)

bios setting standard.. only FSB 200 Mhz with vcore 1.6

thx :toast:

Ket

03-16-2006, 04:07 AM

I think I had the best twinmos SP when they used BH5, mine did 1.5-2-2-6 @ 250 1T 1:1, i was happy, then i got some TCCD :D

skinnie

01-04-2007, 02:01 PM

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9030/memstd2.png
is this bh5 or winbond?

Bluebeard

01-04-2007, 10:22 PM

bh5 and winbond is the same...

hard to tell from cpuz screen - possible to up a pic of the chips?

skinnie

01-08-2007, 02:44 PM

TMD7608F8E50D is what chips?are they capable of 2-2-2-5?what oc +-?

largon

01-09-2007, 12:44 AM

skinnie,
DIMMS Found With UTT
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(*) Twinmos SpeedPremium (04464 production week,a 4 at the end help too)
(*) Twinmos\Twinmos Twinmos\Mtec chips (cheap ones) (04514 ,same as above)

Make sure if you can take a look at the chips of the RAM that there are
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(*) Two Dots marking
(*) Metal Dots (two in each side!)
(*) AA4T [or 1A4T] (not AADT [or ACMT])
(*) week 0xxx4 (the ending 4 is winbond chips)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=651726&postcount=1.