Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[uwackme]

GRRRRRR more showed up on Newegg and I missed it.... SON OF A


Im getting annoyed now.

[Shroomalistic]

dude tell me about it, got the email at 9.25pm. I was asleep and missed it.

[GazC]

Hey, people in the UK!

I found a local store that has Twinmos M-Tec branded AA4T sticks in the DDR400 range. They are 512MB only, but it is the real deal. I had one of these wonder sticks in my own hands today. He's ordering me in 2 x 256MB sticks and I've told him to keep his eye out for more AA4T or 1A4T.

He only has 10 sticks of the 512 UTT in stock.

http://www.userf.co.uk/

His site doesn't list it as Twinmos but I assure you it is. If you want to make certain, give him a call. He does deal with mail order :)

[kouch]

so anyone heard if those 1A4T BH-5's are shipping here in the US?

[gundamit]

GRRRRRR more showed up on Newegg and I missed it.... They were gone in less than an hour. I was excited because I thought (based on the e-mails time stamp) I had a shot. Clicked on the link and ... signed up yet again for auto notification. :rolleyes:

[GazC]

I found out today why my Speed Premium UTT wasn't making the grade on my system. First off, the OCZ booster I had wasn't too clever. Doing the 3.3vio mod to Vdimm and controlling the voltage with my PSUs 3.3v pot made a big improvement.

Unfortunatley, while I can run the SP at 250fsb in windows, it bombs out if I up my CPU to anywhere near 3Ghz. So it looks like the mem controller on my FX-55 doesn't like tight latency at high speed.

Ho-hum, back to Gskill then :(

[computersmsa]

Hello,

I have 2*512 MB Twinmos PC3200 Speed Premium with DFI nF4 and Winnie 3000+.
I can't make better that 239 MHz 2-2-2-5 @ 3.4V (3.6V is not better).

One of you make beter ? Can he give me the timings as :

tCL-tRCD-tRP-tRAS : 2-2-2-5

tRC = 7 | tRFC = 15 | tRRD = 2 | tWR = 2 | tWTR = 1 | tRTW = 2 | tREF = Auto | tWCL = 1 | DRAM Bank Interleave = Enable | DQS skew Control = Increase Skew | DQS Skew Value = 64 | DRAM Drive Strength = Level 1 | DRAM Data Drive Strenght = Level 1 | Max Asynce lantency = 7.0ns | Read Preamble time =5.0ns | Idle Cycle Limit = 16 | Dynamic Counter = Enable | R/W Queue Bypass = 16x | Auto Bypass Max = 7x | 32 byte Granulation = Disable(8burst)

Thanks :)

[Rabbi_NZ]

Follow the link in my sig, esdee's A64 Tweaker screenshot is posted n the first thread

[uwackme]

Anyone test this stuff?

Twinmos Twister Pro (http://www.twinmos.com/dram/dram_p_twister_pro_dualchannel_ddr400.htm)

200Mhz 5,2,2,2 @ 2.6V whats this all about? Or is it just thier TCCD?

[kouch]

twister is their tccd.

[setyotomo]

hi guys.. i just got a 05064 Twinmos Speed Premium 512x2 AA4T -- and it rocks !!

this is a small test i had ;) - Vdimm as you can see .. only 3.3v and its memtest #5 passed.. (about 60 pass before i got bored)

http://img72.exs.cx/img72/2944/260222533vupload8cv.jpg

[situman]

try memtest 7 and try to run test 5 overnight. Sometimes u will get errors on the 300 something pass.

[setyotomo]

try memtest 7 and try to run test 5 overnight. Sometimes u will get errors on the 300 something pass.

memtest 7 ?

[enok]

i think he was speaking of test #7 from memtest.

[situman]

yea sorry.

[uwackme]

In stock at Newegg.... getem while they're hot. SpeedPremium 512M

[TiTON]

NewEgg is now Out Of Stock.. I got the last stick.. litterally ONE Stick.. anyone want to sell me a 2nd stick :)

Now got to wait to see if people shopping carts time out, so I can get the 2nd stick.

Atleast I have One on the way :) It better before from Cali to I get it on Thurs.

SAD

Edit:

Any other mem at NewEgg us UTT other then the VX?

Edit 2:

Put my self back on auto notify. Geez.. who stocks stuff at 8 PM?

[uwackme]

yeah that was fast. Autonotify worked though, just as I was checking email.

I got 2 sticks, very apprehensive that they switched over to "Powerchip" IC's instead of UTT. Ill return them for 15% restocking if the code isnt:

050x4 and xxxxxxAA4T

[setyotomo]

ok... memtest 7# for now ... i'll do #5 later on..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25757&stc=1

[setyotomo]

Edit 2:

Put my self back on auto notify. Geez.. who stocks stuff at 8 PM?

:p: i have 10 pairs in stock... maybe i can help you.. just pm me

[Ebola]

As said in PM i also got 05064 AA4T, but i can't get rid off some 8/10 errors in #5 whatever the settings in BIOS

I don't get more and more i always got the same errors Ã:banana: 200 or 250 MHZ. Used in single channel they perform perfectly

[TiTON]

Just a free Bump for Setyotomo for helping others get there hand on these great memory :)

Well.. my single MEM will be here tomorrow (hopefully if sent from CA) :) I'll let everyoen knwo what I got when it comes in.

Are there any other Mem to get that have UTT on it?

SAD

[setyotomo]

Just a free Bump for Setyotomo for helping others get there hand on these great memory :)

yeah.. i feel sorry for newegg's gamble in buying those utt's...because its preety easy to get twinmos aa4t in here... in fact i got ALOT of them...


Are there any other Mem to get that have UTT on it?
SAD

yes .. ocz vx and value vx ( HERE (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54168&page=1&pp=25)) and maybe kingston later on...

now i'll try with test #5 and go to sleep :D ... lol ... it's 3:20 AM in here...

regards,
Dion

[P_1]

any info on how the CADT's overclock? my friend ended up with those instead of aa4t utt...

[TiTON]

yeah.. i feel sorry for newegg's gamble in buying those utt's...because its preety easy to get twinmos aa4t in here... in fact i got ALOT of them...



yes .. ocz vx and value vx (
regards,
Dion

ALredy have 2x512 on order.. don't want to chance these puppies going out of stock :) Will be here Friday, so I'll post it in teh other thread. As for the 1 piece 512 TwinMos.. it will be here tomorrow. :)

SAD

[cartmanea]

I finally took time away from schoolwork and did the vDimm=vIO mod on my NF7-S v2. WOW!!! So far I'm only doing testing on one stick of Speed Premium, but it is doing awesome! Before the mod, selecting 2.9vDimm in bios (board max) and getting an actual 2.96v, the ram wouldn't do 2-2-2 at even 190 fsb and topped out at looser timings around 218 fsb.

After doing the mod, with vDimm=vIO=3.36v, I'm running Memtest with 2-2-2 timings at 242 fsb! This stuff REALLY likes voltage! This is also using a crappy 300w PSU, but voltages look good on it. I got errors at 245 fsb, but I think they were heat related because even though I had a fan blowing on them, the chips were pretty hot.

I did the mod differently than the way TicTac has posted. Instead of soldering to the Dimm vdd pins (tiny pins), I soldered to the vDimm capacitors (3 of the 4). So I have 3 wires running from the 3.3v terminals at the ATX plug, one to each capacitor. I measured vDimm and 3.3v under load and there is no voltage drop whatsoever so it turned out really well.

I'll post pics of the mod when I take the board back out in the next few days. Also, I'll do more testing and post back when I know how the other stick and dual channel works :)

Oh, and here's the info on my ram:
Twinmos Speed Premium pc3200, 2x512
Both sticks: 05064, 44D

[NiSMo]

ok i read the first couple of pages but i cant find anythin bout which actuall chips/sticks are teh best to get? i take it there is no stock left at newegg either :(..

wat would b a better option? this stuff or ocz vx value??

[TiTON]

Nismo,

Well.. the TwinMos SP are great, if you can get them. Supply has been a big issue.

I have a pair of Value VX coming in on Friday.

The SP are great, I figure the Value VX will be teh same or even better.

The hard part about the Value VX, is that there isn't much feedback. So just stay tuned to the other thread, as more users get Value VX to test.

SAD

[geof]

ok... memtest 7# for now ... i'll do #5 later on..

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25757&stc=1


hello setyotomo ,

i have a DFi Ultra-D and 2*512mo Twinmos PS too .I tried the same timings ...
May you give full settings in ram options please and vddr ? ( i have no errors in test #5 but in test #7 :( )
Did you try your bandwidth with sandra 2005 because i've got only 83/84% efficience

Thanks a lot

[situman]

heheh test 7 is a biatch isnt it? I think thats the reason why some people pass test 5 but still have stability issues in windows.

[P_1]

any info on how the CADT's overclock? my friend ended up with those instead of aa4t utt...

can any1 answer that question please ?

[Revv23]

Why not try them? they are not winbond, id expect maybe 25mhz out of em... but i have no experience at all its just a random guess.

[P_1]

they arent mine, and i just want to know so that he can rma them asap.(he doesnt know how to test and oc...)

[cartmanea]

He took the chance and bought them, you shouldn't make Newegg or wherever you bought them go through the hassle of taking them back just because they aren't what you hoped for.

[Chr0n1c]

He took the chance and bought them, you shouldn't make Newegg or wherever you bought them go through the hassle of taking them back just because they aren't what you hoped for.

Why does this argument come up so often on these forums? I find it rather retarded. Why not return them? If your not happy then why keep them. The logic in that is just pointless. It was more of a hassle for him to buy it and not get what he wanted than the other way around. :rolleyes:

[cartmanea]

I could care less about hassle for him, its the retailer you are costing time and money. Their return policies are for defective merchandise, not stuff you gambled on and didn't get what you wanted.

I bought 2x512 of Twinmos Speed Premium from Newegg, and I was lucky to get the good stuff. However, I wouldn't have returned them if I didn't, I would have just sold them at a loss. Thats the chance you take when you gamble on value memory.

[Shroomalistic]

mwave has a 7day customer satifaction policy. If you dont like it you can get your maney back. No questions asked. And there retrun policy is awesome. My third powercolor x800 pro died and I already sent the card back to powercolor. I sent an email to mwave anyways and they gave me a rma number even though the reciept was from 8/2004. I wish I didnt send the card to powercolor now and went threw mwave.

[cartmanea]

Hey Shroom, mwave does have a good policy, but these were probably purchased from Newegg and their policy is for defective items. I just hate seeing people taking advantage of Newegg like this when they are such a good company.

[Shroomalistic]

yeah sorry, that was a little off subject but just saying some retailers dont mind but newegg does. I do most of my shopping at fry's and mwave so im pretty set.

[Chr0n1c]

Well, I think your just a lil too upset over it IMO. It's really not costing them as much as you think it is.

[=[PULSAR]=]

Are these the ones everyone is talking about?

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0

[nebuchanezzar]

First off lately a lot of those have not been UTT and many have...kinda random
these (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0) have a better chance.
2. Probably but not guaranteed but they will need 3.0vdimm+
3. Yes and sure
4. look at #1
OCZ w/UTTs (http://www.atacom.com/program/atacom.cgi?USER_ID=www&cart_id=8362731_24_111_24_152&SEARCH=SEARCH_ALL&ordered_number=1&KEYWORDS=OCZ4001024WV3DC-K&Disp_item2.x=5&Disp_item2.y=6)
these are OCZs sticks with the same winbond ICs. I just ordered a pair myself and there is a thread hear called value VX. You may want to wait for some more feedbacks on them but at least they're in stock now and guaranteed UTT winbond chips
Thats from a different thread with the exact same question. :D That's the first time I've ever quoted myself :D
Just ignore 2. 3. and 4 and the TMSP has all been UTTs so far as far as I know.

[P_1]

He took the chance and bought them, you shouldn't make Newegg or wherever you bought them go through the hassle of taking them back just because they aren't what you hoped for.
Thats why they should seperate the different models of a certain product they are keeping in stock and sell them at a little higher cost(meaning that they should do what they did with the buffalo memory and selling sticks with different chips as different products, i remember they sold infineon buffalo, winbond buffalo, micron buffalo, etc) This way everyone would be happy and they would earn a little more.

[nebuchanezzar]

Very true, we also know some kingston value ram has utt chips but
1. Theres no coding/serial to differentiate and
2.What "oven" they were cooked in makes a diff and so far only TwinMos and OCZ have been relatively consistent.

[Chr0n1c]

Thats from a different thread with the exact same question. :D That's the first time I've ever quoted myself :D
Just ignore 2. 3. and 4 and the TMSP has all been UTTs so far as far as I know.

Not true, xxORBxx and stevehat have purchased the same stuff and have not gotten UTT.

[setyotomo]

hello setyotomo ,

i have a DFi Ultra-D and 2*512mo Twinmos PS too .I tried the same timings ...
May you give full settings in ram options please and vddr ? ( i have no errors in test #5 but in test #7 :( )
Did you try your bandwidth with sandra 2005 because i've got only 83/84% efficience

Thanks a lot

it's 3.3v .. the timing i think like this : (bold means i forgot the order :p: )

1:1 E-2-2-5-2-7-15-A-2-1-1-3072-1-I-1-2-7-5-256-D-8-7-D

i kinda forget though... :confused: but because the bw is over 3000 mb/s (at memtest) so i ithink i used that when doing test #7

in this setting i only got about 2715 mb/s if im not mistaken :
1:1 - E-2-2-5-2-7-15-A-A-A-A-3072-A-A-A-2-7-5-256-D-8-7-D

[JAWS]

Not true, xxORBxx and stevehat have purchased the same stuff and have not gotten UTT.

yep I bought some and it was total crap. 1 stick barely ran 210. went back to my bh5 at 275 1:1 :)

[cartmanea]

So if you had BH-5 at 275 1:1, why did you even think about getting other ram? :) IF my Mushkin BH-5 hadn't gone bad and been replaced with TCCD I wouldn't have given this UTT stuff a second look.

[JAWS]

So if you had BH-5 at 275 1:1, why did you even think about getting other ram? :) IF my Mushkin BH-5 hadn't gone bad and been replaced with TCCD I wouldn't have given this UTT stuff a second look.


well bh5 is 2x256 and this was before hell's sense mod to power supply. before that I could only get 255.

[nebuchanezzar]

Not true, xxORBxx and stevehat have purchased the same stuff and have not gotten UTT.

Thats the TMII twinmos stuff your referring to right? So far the TMSP twinmos and OCZs value w/winbond are all UTTs. The TMSP are always out of stock though and only atatcom AFAIK have the OCZs

[b|lly]

Hi all again :)

I'm back with my new mobo IC7-MAX3 and my new shiny prescott :)

And there's definetly something wrong with this ram and Asus P4P800, cauze i barely hit 212 on that mobo and on this...

ATM I'm at 243 mhz 2-2-2-5 everything else set to AUTO. No mods done, and ddr voltage set to 3.2 (I'll get ddr booster in a couple of days...). Since i'm pretty new to this mobo I have no idea how to set those "auto" values... pls gimme some advices.

And what do you think, with ddr booster, will I be able to hit 275 without the vtt mod, cauze that's about where my pressy maxs out?

[cartmanea]

It could be the difference between 1T and 2T command rate, if thats what Auto is doing on the new board.

[enzoR]

auto, normal,auto or 5/4 4 is better, disabled, disabled

[b|lly]

Was able to do 245 with this settings, 260 still far away...I think i need some ddr booster

[Chr0n1c]

Thats the TMII twinmos stuff your referring to right? So far the TMSP twinmos and OCZs value w/winbond are all UTTs. The TMSP are always out of stock though and only atatcom AFAIK have the OCZs

Yea sorry for not being specific. TMSP is like impossible to get :mad:

[TiTON]

yeah sorry, that was a little off subject but just saying some retailers dont mind but newegg does. I do most of my shopping at fry's and mwave so im pretty set.

I like mwave mainl becasue they have a will call. I'm the type of guy that needs the part "YESTERDAY" :)

Its nice its only like 10 min from my house and office. I wish NewEgg had a will call.

mWave could easily compete w/ newegg if their site was designed better. I always get frustrated trying to "Window Shop" at mwave. If I have a particular item I want, then its easy to get it.

NewEgg is great for just crusing around and "looking" at stuff.

Sorry for the OT Post

SAD

Edit: Yes.. TMSP 512 are IMPOSSIBLE to get. You have to be on the Autonotify list and purcahse within the hour of the e-mail you get. If not, you end up getting one stick like me :P I went ahead and purchased teh ValueVX instead.

[uwackme]

Just to confirm, my 2 512M stick of SP from last weeks release came in. They are running 215Mhz 1T in the NF7-S @ 3.20Vdimm. Ill move them to this machine for 3.5V testing later today.

They are week 6 2005 UTT 44D chips.

[cartmanea]

Same chips mine have that I got a couple weeks ago, they do 240+ at 2-2-2, 3.3v in my NF7-S. I say 240+ because dual channel is board limited to about 233 and single channel one hits 244 without many errors and the other hits 248, board gets flaky at that fsb though. Of course, its on a cheapy 300w psu for testing :)

[uwackme]

Initial findings arent great, but arent bad either. This pr matches the 2nd best set I got out of the shipment of 4 pr's of the non-SP stuff. With a 235Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @ 3.36Vdimm result. The previous 2nd-best set did 238Mhz @ 3.4Vdimm.

Going higher on V only pisses it off, making me think maybe the stickers are an issue....preventing cooling on some of the chips. Ill burn them in a while, and then remove the stickers and try again. The SP's have MORE sticker on them than the TMII's do.

So my 1st best set....245Mhz+ @ 3.5Vdimm (hitting NForce2 memory controller wall) are a miracle set that likely do 260-270Mhz in an A64. Time will tell. Going 2T did not help the results.

Which may again point me to heat being an issue with the stickers being just enough of a heat blanket to make trouble. I have a fan blowing directly on the sticks, but if the stickers act as a blanket, this limits the fan's affectiveness.

[cartmanea]

I don't think the stickers are a real problem, I have a fan blowing over mine and the stickers don't feel any hotter than the other chips. They definitely need a fan though, even with 3.3v they get HOT running Test 5 in Memtest86!

[Chr0n1c]

Just to confirm, my 2 512M stick of SP from last weeks release came in. They are running 215Mhz 1T in the NF7-S @ 3.20Vdimm. Ill move them to this machine for 3.5V testing later today.

They are week 6 2005 UTT 44D chips.

Nice, and you got these from the egg? or?

[cartmanea]

Probably, they had some show up in stock about a week ago. I just missed out or I would have bought another pair! I got mine from Newegg about 3 weeks ago when the second batch was in.

[TiTON]

I know this is a TwinMos thread..

While I'm waiting for my TwinMOS SP to get back in stock, and to get the RMA for my OCZ ValueVX. I think I will play with TCCD a bit.

Is there any "CHEAP" TCCD out there? I know its off topic, but want to give it a try.

Any help or suggestions would greatly be appreciated.

SAD

[uwackme]

Yeah, got them from NewEgg last week when they had that small release. These are good enough to match the set I gave my brother.... he also wants 4x 512M for A64 once the Superstrain chips come out.

Interesting thing, this new set of UTT doesnt like 3.5V, gets errors in test#2 and #5 with Vdimm over 3.36V.

Guess to match my best set, Ill have to pony up the $$ for OCZ4000VX.

now I have too much ram, 256M BH6 Corsair CMS3202v1.1, 2x 256M CH5 1x 512M CH5 all HyperX3500, 2x 512M BH5 HyperX3000. I need to sell some of this off.

[Chr0n1c]

Strange that its fussy with 3.5V. I just want 1 good kit of UTT. Both sets I have had have had 1 good stick with one blah stick lol.

So far I haven't heard anything spectacular about the VX4000. But tis still a tad early yet.

[Jessfm]

Yeah, got them from NewEgg last week when they had that small release. These are good enough to match the set I gave my brother.... he also wants 4x 512M for A64 once the Superstrain chips come out.

Interesting thing, this new set of UTT doesnt like 3.5V, gets errors in test#2 and #5 with Vdimm over 3.36V.

Guess to match my best set, Ill have to pony up the $$ for OCZ4000VX.

now I have too much ram, 256M BH6 Corsair CMS3202v1.1, 2x 256M CH5 1x 512M CH5 all HyperX3500, 2x 512M BH5 HyperX3000. I need to sell some of this off.


Damn I have 1 stick of the Corsair too, hmm maybe i need urs to make a pair :)

[fareastgq]

I have a couple gigs going into the for sale forum if anyone is interested since these are hard to get. they are alrdy tested, details in for sale post. The only reason I am selling them is because 253 fsb is not high enuff for me to max out my cpu, I got a nice 3000 win, but 250 hardly gets me past anything worth watercooling.

[fareastgq]

I have a couple gigs of SP UTTgoing into the for sale forum if anyone is interested since these are hard to get. they are alrdy tested, details in for sale post. The only reason I am selling them is because 253 fsb is not high enuff for me to max out my cpu, I got a nice 3000 win, but 250 hardly gets me past anything worth watercooling so I'm going for some gskill LE now I guess.

[TiTON]

FYI - Newegg back in stock on TwinMos SP 512MB as of 3:38PM PST.. lets see how long they last.

I got my sticks.

SAD

[Shroomalistic]

thank you thank you thank you thank you.......

One of my non sp sticks just quit working today so im getting a refund on it, just placed my order for 2 of these now.

[trans am]

thank you thank you thank you thank you.......

One of my non sp sticks just quit working today so im getting a refund on it, just placed my order for 2 of these now.


I have the plain jane tmII gig kit and they rock! how did you kill yours? what volts? Mine work best at 3.4v

[sparkie34]

FYI - Newegg back in stock on TwinMos SP 512MB as of 3:38PM PST.. lets see how long they last.

I got my sticks.

SAD


28 in stock 10pm est.

[TiTON]

Wow.. I guess all the mad OC'ers already got all the TMSP they wanted :) So there are still some left for the general public.

SAD

EDIT - just checked 17 sticks left.

[uwackme]

Make me an offer Jess.... 2 BH6 is better than one... $50?

Even with so so results these really are good bargains in the ram department, $76/512M with solid performance on NForce2 @ tight timings.

[tictac]

still burning in at 245MHz @ 3.3V in bios

200 error after 6 hours burnin :)

will keep on kicking until it run stable ;)

[Jessfm]

Make me an offer Jess.... 2 BH6 is better than one... $50?

Even with so so results these really are good bargains in the ram department, $76/512M with solid performance on NForce2 @ tight timings.

Sadly Im in the UK , would cost an arm and leg to wire transfer money. :(

Shame as I been looking for a matching stick. This 1 manages 275 @ 3.6v SC

[Rabbi_NZ]

a direct transfer to overseas bank is almost free from NZ, or just use Paypal

[Astral7]

12 sticks left at newegg, 0900 EST.

GONE

[uwackme]

Jess, Email me, I have friends in the UK, prolly work something out. I send the stick, you pay one of them for it. uwackme@hotmail.com

Well, these sticks are WEIRD.

One passes 250Mhz flawlessly now after some burnin (SP primes stable @ 245Mhz, 3D stable 250Mhz) The other stick passes same BUT.... gets an error in memtest #2 ?? Same place everytime but no errors in other tests and no failure in Windows use of any kind. SP prime stable @235Mhz, and this is at 3.25Vdimm not 3.5Vdimm. Ill have to go do Windows testing on the Infinity @ 3.5V. But it gets the test#2 error on Infinity or NF7-S and at any Mhz...200-250. and any timings 11,3,3,2.5 to 8,2,2,2.0; I just dont know what to make of the result.

I ordered 2 more sticks, see if I cant get a second stick that does 250Mhz solid without weirdness.

[Jessfm]

Thanks
unwackme. :)

[TEDY]

uwackme gimme your utt lovin to my dfi and i'll bump them for you up to 270 at 3.5 :D

[Shroomalistic]

Damn, newegg sold out again.

[situman]

just get the ocz value utts. Twinmoss seems to have a dying issue.

[Shroomalistic]

just get the ocz value utts. Twinmoss seems to have a dying issue.

You got any links to the dying issues, i would like to read more about it.

[cartmanea]

Oh course they'll have a "dying issue", people are giving them upwards of 3.5-3.6 volts! Just because the ram ICs are rated for those voltages (while properly cooled) doesn't mean all the other components on the pcb can take them. OCZ uses resisters and capacitors on their pcb's that are rated for higher voltage in their VX ram, thats why they are warranted up to 3.6v, Twinmos probably isn't using anything special on theirs.

On a side note, I just took the vdimm-vio mod off my nf7-s and am running my Twinmos SP 2x512 now at 2.6v. They clock higher at lower voltages until you exceed 3.0v, which my board can't do at stock. With 2.6v they'll do 2-3-2 at 215 MHz in my board. Seeing as how I do more school work than gaming lately I'm very happy with that setting. Plus I don't have to mod any hardware and worry about having extra fans blowing over my ram ;)

[uwackme]

More work on these stcks.

Powering up on IDE WinXP with APIC enabled, I had no sound/lan drop out issues @ 250Mhz on stick 1, and 245Mhz on stick 2. Stick 2 has the Mtst #2 error, and wont go past 245Mhz regardless of voltage. But this is the first time ever, NO sound errors/static/silence with APIC enabled at high FSB. On all other ram ever Ive ever used, sound would die on me over 235Mhz with APIC on. the RAID0 has APIC off, I leave APIC on with the IDE install so i can easily switch back/forth for testing.

Hopefully in the next 2 sticks I can find a match to stick 1.

Stick 2 was actually the best performing UTT yet vs voltage. Doing @3.25V 245Mhz 2T 8,3,3,2.5 and 235Mhz 2T 8,2,2,2.0 and 220Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 and 235Mhz 1T 8,3,3,2.5. Stick 2 max's out at 245Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @ 3.5Vdimm, so it caught up to the two UTT 50D sticks of TMII I have...245mhz max.

Stick 1 @ 3.25V wont go 1T past 210Mhz, and 235Mhz 2T 8,3,3,2.5 is best StressPrime/3D stable. But give it TheVolt (3.5Vdimm) and it shines at 250Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 rock solid.

Im sure this stuff will all shine on A64, with NForce2 being so picky about things. Funny how the memtest#2 error has no effect on anthing the system does. Primes for hours, games for hours etc. Ive never seen that before, must be something interacting between NF2 controller and one of the rams, but it isnt really a defective stick. Anyone ever seen this behavior before?

[lomend]

how do you tell how many are left in stock on newegg? I can't find any it anywhere!

[sparkie34]

how do you tell how many are left in stock on newegg? I can't find any it anywhere!



When they have them in stock, add 99 of them to your cart. It will automatically show you what they have in stock. ;)

[TiTON]

When they have them in stock, add 99 of them to your cart. It will automatically show you what they have in stock. ;)

If you do that, please be sure to clear / empty your cart.

I'm not sure if it holds it up so no one else can get them.

Also, my 3 sticks just shipped.. from NJ.. this sucks.. since I'm only 15 min away from their SoCal office :(

So instead of getting them tomorrow, I have to wait till Friday.. EEK.. I hate waiting :P

I should complain.. at least I got a few sticks.

SAD

[Shroomalistic]

i hear ya bro, im about 30mins away and mine shipped from nj too. But I guess this makes it fair for the people on the east coast

[Astral7]

According to newegg there should be more TMSP in today.

@SAD | your cart won't hold items back, just hit update under quantity and it will show you the current stock

@Shroomer | did you order any of that Adata (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-211-119&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE) ? I ordered a gig, figured it's worth the risk at <$100

[uwackme]

Astral, a friend of mine got 1G of that Adata... turned out to be not great. Still dirt cheap, he had other uses for it. Numbers all matched, but was mediocre ram.

I switched the sticks around, #1 in dimm1 #2 in dimm3, the memtest#2 error vanished, the pr run 245mhz flawlessly dual channel 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @3.5Vdimm.

Moreover this pr, running 245Mhz have no APIC on sound/lan dropout issue. Im a happy camper. Still hope next pr has a stick that matches the #1 stick better in MHZ/Vdimm behavior and allows 250Mhz... man that last 5Mhz is a beeeatch.

[Astral7]

uwackme | I've got a gig of SP on the way as well, still putting my stuff back together on the DFI system, should be done before they get here. Probably use the Asus to test at high voltage, have a booster that I've never used but I've heard of too many burning up on these DFI boards.

What voltage and timings did your friend test the Adata at? If they suck I'll just throw them in a folding rig.

Good luck with the new sticks :toast:

[cartmanea]

uwackme, is there an advantage to having APIC enabled or disabled? I've always disabled it because I was told it increased overclockability on my nf7-s. Is there any performance gain either way or is it just improved compatability because of having more interrupts?

[uwackme]

On the Adata, he tried all the way to 3.3Vdimm, nothing helped they just suk'd. he put them in a Intel machine.

On APIC.... no real reason other than supposed interupt handling improvements over non-APIC. Im sure AMD/Intel put it there for a reason, just been a bugaboo with NForce2 at high FSB's. APIC on works fine on A64 systems and P4 systems I believe. Though some benchmark numbers seem to be a smidge higher with APIC off. Real world use, I'd want APIC on if I can have it, just because I can.

[Bulldog20]

Lo, picked a couple of these cheap twinmos 512mb sticks@ Cas2-2-2-5 3.5v from :

http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalog/prod...products_id=138 (http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=138)

Here is some benchies :D

http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=10742&img=SuperPI8M.jpg]http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=1074...g=SuperPI8M.jpg

http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=10743&img=3dmark03.jpg]http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=1074...mg=3dmark03.jpg

http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=10744&img=Isoftbuffered.jpg]http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=1074...oftbuffered.jpg

http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=10745&img=Unbufferedsettings.jpg]http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=1074...redsettings.jpg

http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=10746&img=unbuffered.jpg]http://www.photojunkyard.com/is.php?i=1074...=unbuffered.jpg

I just picked two sticks at random :) Well worth the money.
Not tested memtest yet.

Cheers

[sparkie34]

Lo, picked a couple of these cheap twinmos 512mb sticks@ Cas2-2-2-5 3.5v from :

http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalog/prod...products_id=138 (http://www.cpucitystore.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=138)

Here is some benchies :D


I just picked two sticks at random :) Well worth the money.
Not tested memtest yet.

Cheers


Cha-Ching............good job! :toast:

[macci]

Thats a nice 4k unbuffered there :toast:

[Bulldog20]

Thats a nice 4k unbuffered there :toast:

Yes for ram costing peanuts :)
It's not quite going to make me leave my BH-5 256mb, but damn close.

Cheers

[uwackme]

Second set of SP Twinmos arrived, week 6 2005, AA4T good stuff. Currently 230Mhz @ 3.25V 2x512M will continue to push.

First set crashed in StressPrime largeFFT after 4 hours, so I have reched the magical 8 hours @ 250Mhz yet.... working on it. 245Mhz is flawless... that last 5Mhz is a beeeatch.

[esdee]

An unbuffered shot from me too ...

Max full stable@270@3.6V

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26354

[sparkie34]

Second set of SP Twinmos arrived, week 6 2005, AA4T good stuff. Currently 230Mhz @ 3.25V 2x512M will continue to push.

First set crashed in StressPrime largeFFT after 4 hours, so I have reched the magical 8 hours @ 250Mhz yet.... working on it. 245Mhz is flawless... that last 5Mhz is a beeeatch.


Same markings as the chips I just recieved today from the egg. Burning in at 240mhz 2-2-2-5 3.2 volts no errors yet. And this is on my IS7 P4 setup. :toast:

[TiTON]

are you guys burning in Dual Channel or Single Channel?

I'm running Abit AS8.

My single chanel is at like 250Mhz, but dual just SUCKS for me.

Any info will greatly be appreciated.

SAD

[sparkie34]

are you guys burning in Dual Channel or Single Channel?

I'm running Abit AS8.

My single chanel is at like 250Mhz, but dual just SUCKS for me.

Any info will greatly be appreciated.

SAD


Burning mine in dual channel. Right now I'm at 245 with 3.3v. Going to leave it burn in like this overnight.

[RacerX]

Second set of SP Twinmos arrived, week 6 2005, AA4T good stuff. Currently 230Mhz @ 3.25V 2x512M will continue to push.

First set crashed in StressPrime largeFFT after 4 hours, so I have reched the magical 8 hours @ 250Mhz yet.... working on it. 245Mhz is flawless... that last 5Mhz is a beeeatch.

I have the same stick, week 6 05'. Burning in nicely at 250htt at 3.3v tight timings. SC on my DFI LP UT.

[uwackme]

Mine are all dual channel, 1st set im typing on @ 250mhz, though StressPrime fails above 245Mhz after a few hours..... may easily be my CPU/Vcore not the memory. Air cooling is limiting me, water will be next purchase.

2nd set is going to get overnight burnin @ 3.25V memtest#5 230Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 then I will move it to the Infinity for 3.5Vdimm testing.

3 out of 4 sets of TMII (non-SP) Twinmos are running 240-245Mhz, 4th set was DOA and sent back for RMA. So all 5 of 6 sets performed better on NForce2 then any of the BH5-BH6-CH5 ive ever owned/tested.

A serious bargain in memory no matter how you look at it.

[Gorod]

Just placed an order on Newegg , TwinMOS Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200, Model TMII400/1GB - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0) - Hope to overclock it up to 250MHz or more with tight timings 2.0-2-2-5-1T :slobber: Will post back with results :toast:

[uwackme]

Unfortunately, people have been saying latest deliveries of these dont come with UTT chips on them. Im a bit worried as I RMA'd a bad UTT set back and really dont want non-UTT coming back my way.

Hope it works out for you.

[caboob]

Just placed an order on Newegg , TwinMOS Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200, Model TMII400/1GB - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0) - Hope to overclock it up to 250MHz or more with tight timings 2.0-2-2-5-1T :slobber: Will post back with results :toast:

I just got these sticks in earlier this week and they are NOT the UTT ICs. They look nothing like what was described in th opening post. Hopefully you lucked out. At their SPD timings, mine'll do 240 at 2.9V. If i increase volts, the mobo screams at me or no POST at all.
G'luck.

[lomend]

i got 2x512 sticks of the speed premiums today but one of them was DOA. =( they both looked opened (found hairs in packaging) so i decided to RMA them and get a new set. i'll post my results when i get another set.

do you gets get alot of DOA speed premiums or twinmos in general?

[dutchman.pt]

An unbuffered shot from me too ...

Max full stable@270@3.6V

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26354
Amazing results!
What it the "number"/batch of that memories?
PartNumber : AA4T and chip ending 44D ?

Tks. :)

[esdee]

Amazing results!
What it the "number"/batch of that memories?
PartNumber : AA4T and chip ending 44D ?

Tks. :)


they are not speed premiums, just 'plain' pc3200 with 50D and AA4T
first Dimm is week 0503 and second 0453 (if i recall corectly) ;)

[Jack]

they are not speed premiums, just 'plain' pc3200 with 50D and AA4T
first Dimm is week 0503 and second 0453 (if i recall corectly) ;)
damn! high clocks! :D

although you bandwidth seems low to me :confused:
or am i missing something here?

[tictac]

TwinMOS speed Premium back in stock :)
get it here :
http://s6.invisionfree.com/underclock/index.php?showtopic=423

[bito]

Picked up a pair of these from cpucity.....they are AA4T, MTEC 50D labelled IC's on the std pcb.
CPU-Z shows them as Week 08 Year 05's......currently memtesting at 260 and 3.5v for burn-in.....no errors so far !!
But for reference, my OCZ 2 x 512 BH-5's run 265 at 3.4v....without any errors.

[uwackme]

Second set 240Mhz StressPrime stable @ 3.5V, a little slower than set 1. We'll see after burnin at 3.5V. 3D stable at 245Mhz. A couple errors memtest#5 @ 250Mhz.

[Rabbi_NZ]

lookin' good uwackme, when you get a free minute away from that BIOS screen would you mind posting results for your new pair in my voltage scaling thread?

I'm going to include results for the new BH and the 4000VX soon as results start flooding in... would really love to see how these new BH are going to do in my hands! :D A 25watt 2200MHz Turion 1MB L2 + gig O new BH... oooh yeh!

[gundamit]

I'm wondering when Twinmos changed their product page for Twinmos PC3200 Speed Premium (http://www.twinmos.com/dram/dram_p_sp_ddr400.htm) to list the die used as Winbond CH-5 and the Twinmos PC3500 Speed Premium (http://www.twinmos.com/dram/dram_p_sp_ddr433.htm) as Winbond BH-5. My pair of SP 3200 sure act like the CH-5 in that they seem more comforatable running 2-3-2 in windows. Anyone one know how I can get my hands on some of the PC3500 sticks? :confused: Although my current Twinmos 3200 SP will run test 5 errorless at 262 2-2-2-5 3.4v in memtest, they freak in Windows at just 250 same timings. :confused:

Edit: Just saw this from Alonso:
CH-5 / AA4T / AA=0,13um 4=Winbond
BH-5 / 1A4T /1A=0,15um 4=Winbond

I thought that a "4" in the third character slot meant BH-5. I'll need to take look at my sticks.

Edit: Bah! Confirmed AA4T!

[Negative Design]

UTT is like 105$ now for 1GB on newegg anyone knows if it still UTT? or has Twinmos changed chips...

[esdee]

damn! high clocks! :D

although you bandwidth seems low to me :confused:
or am i missing something here?


it's sandra unbuffered! Thats why the b/w is that 'low' ;)

[Chr0n1c]

Been messing with my AA4T. Initially when I got them 1 Stick does 260 2228 @ 3.4V and the other well just plain sucked.

Anyhow, messed with the bad stick last night and it seems it's more CH-5 than it is UTT haha. Ras to cas 3 and it runs great up to 264 =/

[Jack]

it's sandra unbuffered! Thats why the b/w is that 'low' ;)
i see now that you mensioned that in your post.
never saw it, my bad :D

[God_Lx]

Picked up a pair of these from cpucity.....they are AA4T, MTEC 50D labelled IC's on the std pcb.
CPU-Z shows them as Week 08 Year 05's......currently memtesting at 260 and 3.5v for burn-in.....no errors so far !!
But for reference, my OCZ 2 x 512 BH-5's run 265 at 3.4v....without any errors.

Can you tell me exactly what do the IC's say ? I have one Mtec xxx 50D Twinmos here but i don't think it's a good overclocker... (I only have 2.85 in my bios options for vdimm) So i can't give them high voltage...

[Spare-Flair]

Hi, I'm new here. So I recieved these sticks and here are my results so far @ 3.3v. My board won't go any further without a volt-mod which I may attempt later on. But yeah, it's still NF2 so there's really no point. I'm sure these sticks would be amazing in an NF3/NF4 board but I don't have the money to upgrade the system at the moment.

http://members.shaw.ca/comic-kaze/2005/trouble/twinmos.jpg

http://img181.exs.cx/img181/8820/timings8zv.jpg

edit- a bios flash fixed most of my problems, guess the board was unstable and the ram was perfectly fine.

[JDizzle]

UTT is like 105$ now for 1GB on newegg anyone knows if it still UTT? or has Twinmos changed chips...

Yea I saw the price and that's pretty damn cheap for some UTT. I might be picking some up later this week!

[Chr0n1c]

They are AADT if u look at the pics.

iirc that is not good for overclocking.

[JDizzle]

250FSB is good to me.

[Lestat]

holy crap fellas,,,,

why arent you people loosening them up to see what they can really do,, so you dont kill the stuff overvolting. i know it will handle it but for how long.

how far is this ram going when you run. 2-3-2-6 or 2.5-3-2.8 or 10
i mean no need to get all crazy and let them real loose but use realistic settings like 2.5-3-2-10 for A64 that :banana::banana::banana::banana: should crank out way past 300mhz.....

anyone tried this yet ?

[Chr0n1c]

holy crap fellas,,,,

why arent you people loosening them up to see what they can really do,, so you dont kill the stuff overvolting. i know it will handle it but for how long.

how far is this ram going when you run. 2-3-2-6 or 2.5-3-2.8 or 10
i mean no need to get all crazy and let them real loose but use realistic settings like 2.5-3-2-10 for A64 that :banana::banana::banana::banana: should crank out way past 300mhz.....

anyone tried this yet ?

I tried for 300Mhz @ such 2-3-2-7 3.4V....posted but failed thru boot. Never tried lower.

[Jack]

holy crap fellas,,,,

why arent you people loosening them up to see what they can really do,, so you dont kill the stuff overvolting. i know it will handle it but for how long.

how far is this ram going when you run. 2-3-2-6 or 2.5-3-2.8 or 10
i mean no need to get all crazy and let them real loose but use realistic settings like 2.5-3-2-10 for A64 that :banana::banana::banana::banana: should crank out way past 300mhz.....

anyone tried this yet ?
it'll give you a couple of mhz,
but not much.
it reacts like bh-5; so not much gain in mhz, big loss in b/w after loosening timings.

[__TRONIK__]

someone needs to pick up the regualr ddr400at $105/gig and see if they are still utt!

[Negative Design]

someone needs to pick up the regualr ddr400at $105/gig and see if they are still utt!

its confirmed,they are still UTT,Klisp has some...I jsut hope they dont go out of stock before I buy em...damn ppl buyin 10s...damn them :(

[Raybo]

I just pulled the trigger for the "vanilla" TM 3200's, I'll let you know what chips are on them later this week.

:toast:

[sparkie34]

512mb sticks are back in stock at the egg. 22 left at 10:55pm est $69!

[Negative Design]

512mb sticks are back in stock at the egg. 22 left at 10:55pm est $69!


Yea,I saw those too...last time I looked there were 24 in stock.

has anyone seen Mushkin UTTs? some guy told me mushkin reps guaranteed UTTs on some ram...

[EMC2]

/me hears the click-clacking of furious keyboard pounding :p: :lol:

[TEDY]

You lucky guys in USA :(

[arctic-k20]

guys i need some help here with my vx gold...on my dfi nf4...
i have been looping memtest this morning @ 260 with the following settings:

1.5-2-5-2-7-15-1-2-1-2-auto-1-en-incr-0-7-4-auto-auto-auto-dis-8-7-en

vcore 1.75
vdimm 3.6
vltd 1.5
chipset 1.7

bios 2.18 (tried 3.10 but was told to go back to 2.18)

those settings will do test 5 for 50 loops and i looped tests 1-8 and right now i have test 8 looping - so far it has done 10 passes...

so i think that things are stable enough for me to try to get into xp - as soon as the xp loading screen comes up - my keyboard initializes - bam BSOD......and i get the bsod right after my keyboard flashes - every time.

the 3500 newcastle is good for 2.6ghz and the ram wont error out in memtest so i dont know what setting i am using that is making xp puke?

anybody have any suggestions?

[uwackme]

Well, memtest only tests the A64 core's ability to access memory. All the other things in the system arent hammered....til you try and boot windows.

Obviously something in the system cant hack those tight timings. So back off till it works, and then try to zero in ONE item at a time to figure out what timing parameter is too tight. Its laborious I know but its the only way to identify what is holding you back.

[arctic-k20]

ok well i am at a complete loss - i thought maybe one of the settings is too far out of wack for my hardware.......so i put every single setting to auto

voltages / dram settings - everything is auto

should be able to get into windows with auto eveyrthing right?

wrong

bsod - same spot every time.....and i know its not the board or the cpu cuz if i pop my tccd in its fine - past 2.6ghz so it has to do with this vx :(

[Negative Design]

Bought some sticks last night will update once I get em :D

[Chivalry]

heya :) i just orderd 2 sticsk of this winbond UTT stuff... seems u need around 3.2 - 3.4 volts or so to get it to perform... is that safe for 24/7 use??....
im just a bit worried i will damage it... and if its not good for 24/7 at this volts.. what do u all do? just use differnt memory for everyday use and swap to this for benching? thnx for any help.... :)

[Negative Design]

OCZ warrants their ram up to 3.5V and they use UTTs so I guess to be safe use it at 3.4V IMHO.

Its pointless to buy ram if ur gonna use it for benching alone lol

[esdee]

OCZ warrants their ram up to 3.5V and they use UTTs so I guess to be safe use it at 3.4V IMHO.

Its pointless to buy ram if ur gonna use it for benching alone lol


3.5 and 3.6 is safe too, if have you have the mems proper cooled with a high CFM Fan

But if your DIMM doesn't respond to Voltage raise, don't try more than 3.3-3.4
you might kill it

[Chivalry]

is my first a64 rig ive built.. still waiting on part to arrive... orderd 1 o them ASBOX 3500 cpu`s in the other thread..... but was worried i couldent use this memory all the time 24/7 and high fsb... glad i can!!!:) im using a xp-90 HS on a dfi lanparty ultra-d mobo... im not sure how that HSF sits on the mobo.. so dunno if it gives the mem a bit of extra cooling.... i dont have anything else to cool the memory with :/

[Arkangyl]

Just a quick question bout UTT in general; is 3.3v enough to get a pretty good showing out of this stuff or do I really need 3.4-3.6v?

thanks

[cartmanea]

Mine wouldn't do crap with 3.2v, but with 3.28v they would do 244MHz @ 2-2-2 timings on my NF7-S. I think its really hit or mis, some take to 3.2v, others need upwards of 3.4v to start performing. Mine were 44d, 0605 chips.

[esdee]

is my first a64 rig ive built.. still waiting on part to arrive... orderd 1 o them ASBOX 3500 cpu`s in the other thread..... but was worried i couldent use this memory all the time 24/7 and high fsb... glad i can!!!:) im using a xp-90 HS on a dfi lanparty ultra-d mobo... im not sure how that HSF sits on the mobo.. so dunno if it gives the mem a bit of extra cooling.... i dont have anything else to cool the memory with :/


depends on your setup
A64s+3.3V should give at least 245MHz

[Chivalry]

thnx :) put my mind at rest a bit... just gotta work out what all them bloody numbers mean now! lol..... never seen so many settings in a bios!!! :) hehe

[AAdjuster]

Newegg has the speed premium in stock right now just checked them.

[qk4722]

Twinmos AA4T
5084
TMD7608F8E50D

I don't know cpu-z show 1A1D why ??? new chips ???
http://home.pchome.com.tw/cool/c785song/DFI/2602225.PNG

[hanhan]

This is the highest I can get with my twinmos *single channel*
http://www.tactics.cc/squire/Piyo/Resize%20of%20Clip_19.jpg

This with dual channel

http://www.tactics.cc/squire/Piyo/Resize%20of%20Clip_21.jpg

[TEDY]

Newegg has the speed premium in stock right now just checked them.
yeah right ....not now :slobber:

[Lestat]

hanhan wt,, why are you running 128 DRAM idle clocks thats insane and i cant believe the ram even supports that.
that setting should be way down like 16 128 is just way to high and if memory serves me correctly your just hurting performance making the idle timer wait that long.
but i might be wrong it may not hurt at all but i've never seen anyone run the idle timer that high.. its just wrong..

[AAdjuster]

yeah right ....not now :slobber:

The speed premiums are in stock at newegg right now, I'm looking at their web page as I'm typing this.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0

[robberbaron]

The speed premiums are in stock at newegg right now, I'm looking at their web page as I'm typing this.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-405&depa=0

I just ordered 2 sticks of Twinmos SP memory and there's still plenty at Newegg to go around :cool:

[xenolith]

I just ordered 2 sticks of Twinmos SP memory and there's still plenty at Newegg to go around :cool:

:stick: Not really. Every one should know by now these go very, very fast whenever newegg gets them in stock.

[largon]

I hear that Speed Premiums don't do well on DFI nF4. :confused: (some retailers claim so) Is this true?
I see that esdee got 270 3.5vwith DFI nF4, I hope they don't have issues with my upcoming nF4 UD.

[Owen1978]

Have i done the right thing?

Basically you can't get Twinmos SP in the UK.

Couple of days ago i purchased a 1Gb of XMS3202v2.1 (BH6) for £95.00 ($182)

Today i was browsing ebay the was a guy selling a 1Gb of Twinmos SP for £120 ($230.00).

He said he has had it in is DFI NF4 board at 250fsb @2-2-2-5 with 3v, and that he did a memtest and it showed no errors.

Here are the codes
05034 TMD7608F8E44D

So they question is, have i done the right thing???

[gundamit]

12 still left as of right now. That's the longest I've seen them in stock at the Egg. Demand must be falling off now. I put my TCCD back in my rig so I could start testing my SLI set-up, but I'll get back to TwinMos SP at some point. They flew errorless at 262 3.5v in memtest but weren't stable in Windows at that same speed in Windows unless I went 2-3-2 but bandwidth really dropped off.

[charlie]

How 'bout these??
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

[Chivalry]

Owen..... CPUcity sell this ram for 47 quid a stick,.. its not labled as speed premium.. just standard OEM,,,, but its exsactly the same... read the CPUcity forums and u will see.... mine arrived today :0)

[Owen1978]

Owen..... CPUcity sell this ram for 47 quid a stick,.. its not labled as speed premium.. just standard OEM,,,, but its exsactly the same... read the CPUcity forums and u will see.... mine arrived today :0)

Thanks for that, But i've paid for them now nvm, but the ones im getting got the 44D code, which is the one i've been looking for ages.

Just got to sell my gig of BH6.

Keep us posted on em

[xenolith]

How 'bout these??
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

That one is a complete roll of the dice. I and quite a few others got sticks with non-Winbond junk that wouldn't even work at default. Others have gotten their sticks with UTT chips.

Question is, do you feel lucky?

[Gorod]

How 'bout these??
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1

Got them working stable 241MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T @ 3.7V so far ... Great ram for the price :)

[cartmanea]

3.7v seems pretty high, I doubt they will last long at that voltage. The ICs may take it if kept cool, but the resistors and capacitors on the pcb probably aren't rated for those levels. My SP did those speeds at 3.3v, you might think about dropping them to 2-3-2 and using lower volts.

[TEDY]

going to buy 4 TWINMOS SPEED PREMIUM today :=) got them cheap here 90$/512...usually 110$.

[gundamit]

How 'bout these??
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=1 Wow! $108.50 for 2x512mb? That's the lowest price I've seen.

[TEDY]

gundamit : you might get AADT, so it's gamble.

[qk4722]

TwinMOS BH-5 PC3600...

[qk4722]

:banana:

[enok]

wtf?! where did u bought those?

[tictac]

How the new stick perform ? is that BP PCB? :D

[Negative Design]

Those are UTTs and he just named it BH5 3600 which doesnt exist....or I could be wrong lol :D

Anywho, I go my UTTs yesterday and got ONE great stick and one crap stick :(

#1 does 255 FSB 1T on my DFi UI # does 235 only with 3.3V and still unstable :(

[qk4722]

How the new stick perform ? is that BP PCB? :D

Not bad. 05094 this week can run 260 2-2-2-5 1T at 3.3v.
PCB is KO-6633

[Negative Design]

Not bad. 05094 this week can run 260 2-2-2-5 1T at 3.3v.
PCB is KO-6633


Ok its official then,I need a new mobo!
I have SAME stick as you lol. KO-6633 05094 50D too both my sticks are...but second sticks sucks badly.

[enok]

his sticks are actually 44B. the usual UTT (CH-5) are D. (as far as i remember)
nice results btw. :)

[Negative Design]

his sticks are actually 44B. the usual UTT (CH-5) are D. (as far as i remember)
nice results btw. :)


Thanks :) gonna get rid of em...
I should of gotten TMSP instead lol

[TEDY]

first try them out.

[qk4722]

Updata !

3.6v DDR540 2-2-2-5 1T pi1m pass &
3.8v DDR560 2-2-2-5 1T Memory Bandwidth Benchmark.

[TEDY]

qk4722 are you comftorable running 3.6-3.8v on DFI NF4 ???
how're you colling ram??
and most of all please run #5 memtest also :)

[Tibu]

I'm reading the 90+ pages of posts on this topic but thought I might ask and be sure;

Basically all of the Speed Premiums are UTT correct? The same UTT OCZ uses and so on?

I ask cuz my kid brother wants to get into Overclocking his unlocked Barton and I'm thinking about buying him some semi good overclocking ram and this might be it, so I wanna be sure.

EDIT

Woops, seems only the AA4T is UTT.

[enok]

Thanks :) gonna get rid of em...
I should of gotten TMSP instead lol

likeTEDY said, try them! :P it might do a good oc aswell.

[nebuchanezzar]

I'm reading the 90+ pages of posts on this topic but thought I might ask and be sure;

Basically all of the Speed Premiums are UTT correct? The same UTT OCZ uses and so on?

I ask cuz my kid brother wants to get into Overclocking his unlocked Barton and I'm thinking about buying him some semi good overclocking ram and this might be it, so I wanna be sure.

EDIT

Woops, seems only the AA4T is UTT.
The OCZ is all UTT but so far only ATACOM seems to stock them...

[situman]

isn't the new Bh5's coming out? why spend money on "CH5?" I guess people have too much money these days :)

[Negative Design]

likeTEDY said, try them! :P it might do a good oc aswell.


I will...right after I sell the TmIIs lol Hopefully it will be in stock when I get my $$


Whens this new BH5 coming out??!?? :confused: :confused: got links?

[Valhalla]

Just got my two 1 gig kits of TmIIs from NewEgg today. They are UTT sticks with AA4T code, week 9 of '05 (05094). Can't wait 'til my other parts come in for the new rig to test them! Couldn't go wrong at $105.50 per gig for UTT :) and I bought two gigs hoping to get at least two "better than average" sticks out of the four.

Question to all: In looking at Spare-Flair's pictures of TMSP on page 96 of this thread, I noticed and was wondering about two things...

1) My TMII's and his TMSP's have the exact same model number of M2G9J16A-TT. Why would that be? Also, interestingly, the part number varies by only one digit (in the middle of the P/N, his(all?) TMSP reads ...TTFF... and my TMII's read ...TT9F...)

2) On the farthest upper right corner of the PCB, the TMSP's have what look to be 8 contacts, but no chip. Just below this is where a small 8-leg chip is soldered (right side of stick in middle). My TMII's have a larger chip placed in the farthest upper right position where the TMSP is vacant, and no chip in the right middle position where the TMSP does have one. Would anyone know why there is this difference between the two? By the way, the PCB numbers (KO-6633) are the same for both the TMSP and the TMII.

[Tibu]

So basically it's a dice throw when ordering from newegg whether you'll get UTT or or not?

Cuz the pic they have for the 512mb modules of SP have code AADT, which from my understanding is not even Winbond chips; but the 256mb modules in the pic they have AA4T and the two dots.

[esdee]

TwinMOS BH-5 PC3600...

do they act like BH5 ? the only difference between BH5 and UTT is that BH5 can do trc=7 ,TRFC=12 in much higher MHz

can you test at 265with 2-2-5-2-7-12-2-2-1-1 ?

[uwackme]

We'll know in a few days, NewEgg got my RMA and shipped out replacements for the bad TMII set. Hope they are UTT.

[qk4722]

do they act like BH5 ? the only difference between BH5 and UTT is that BH5 can do trc=7 ,TRFC=12 in much higher MHz

can you test at 265with 2-2-5-2-7-12-2-2-1-1 ?

Here we go! ;)

[esdee]

Here we go! ;)

thanks :toast:
nice ram there

[Gorod]

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-218-062&depa=0

Testing this ram right now , 241MHz @ 2.0-2-2-5-1T @ 3.7V so far . Good ram for 100 $ . ;)

http://img7.exs.cx/img7/1787/twinmos0021kd.th.gif (http://img7.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img7&image=twinmos0021kd.gif)

[enok]

that's extremely high voltage for such a poor oc... :stick: most UTT should do that at 3.1v. (atleast i do)

[Raybo]

Just recieved the same sticks as Gorod, one errored out at default settings so they are going back.

They use the "Windbond" modules so hopefully I will get the same chips on my RMA. :toast:

[Gorod]

:confused: I am sorry guys , but the memory won't pass Super PI 32M at 2.0-2-2-5 . Rock stable only 2.0-3-2-5 @ up to 245MHz , so its not Winbond UTT ??? 245MHz @ 2.0-3-2-5-1T @ 3.3V what kind of chips are those ? I will try lowering voltage later :mad:

[Negative Design]

try raising voltage...
if it sez AA4T its UTT according to earler pages,are you on 1T or 2? NF2 or A64?

[JDizzle]

So the new Twinmos Speed Premium is BH-5 or CH-5?

[Gorod]

nForce3 Ultra @ 1T . I tryed to raise up voltage (up to 4.0V !!!) , still crashing with 2.0-2-2-5-1T @ any speed , but it works fine with 245MHz @ 2.0-3-2-5-1T @ 3.3V

[situman]

actively cool it. gets mighty hot

[Raybo]

Try your sticks one at a time Gorod, one of mine turned up bad.

And yes these are the "Windbond" chips JDizzle. (AA4T) :toast:

[Chivalry]

heya... finaly got my a64 rig up and running :0) the bios is a complete nitemare... nevber seen so many things to change ;0(..

is there anywhere i can get a complete list of settings that would suit this memory?...doesent have to be absoluty blisteringly fast..... just as fast as possible without compramising stabilty :0)

thnx!

[Raybo]

Here (http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=299229) is a basic guide.

[uwackme]

Further testing on my SpeedPremiums found one stick was getting rare errors in test #8... and this is why system was rebooting occasionally.

So to recap, got 4 sticks of SP (all AA4T "44D" week6 05), A,B,and C sticks are all flawless and run 250Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2,2.0,14,16,e,e,f,e, auto/auto @ 3.5Vdimm.

Stick A runs any DIMM socket the same, Stick C runs any socket the same, but stick B only likes DIMM3, so A + B or C + B or A + C or C + A all run great in dual channel 250Mhz. But B + A or B + C (with B in DIMM1/2) is a no go over 245mhz.

Stick D doesnt work 100%, infact at any setting/voltage/fsb it gets a handful of errors in memtest86+ v1.51 test #8. Same bit (#10) in same area 39-46MB address. So stick D is going back RMA time. I'd luv to just be done and have all 4 sticks ready and willing to play with A64 S-SOI.

Still no results posted for 4 DIMMs in the new A64 chips, though that thread in "AMD" section on Venice looks promising, still I'd like to see results.

Odd thing, CPUZ calls DIMM1 "slot #3" and DIMM3 "slot 1"..... weird.

[aCidbAbY]

wow those are some thorough results bro good job...

[anilyy]

what can 05094 - 50D twinmoss UTT do.did anyone tested it?

[Negative Design]

what can 05094 - 50D do.did anyone tested it?


Did you read the past 5 pages?
They dont all react the same so there are NO GUARANTEES on what it can do.

I have 1 good and 1 bad, #1 does 255@3.3V 1T on my DFI UI and the second one does 225 1T @3.3v

There are many others on EOCF who have similiar sticks as me most have great results and one other has 1 good 1 bad like me.

[godsa]

Buying 4 sticks IMO is the best way to go if you can do that...
Keep the best 2 and sell the other 2 ;)

[anilyy]

this is a good idea if i can sure about 2 of them will be good i will buy :D.

[Reefa_Madness]

Hey guys, if your looking for a simple way to help keep that ram cool when your pumping 3.6v through it...check out this little mod that was dreamed up by one of the guys over at OCF. Here is a link to his thread, should you be interested. I just posted this in one of the ram cooling threads, then it occured to me that someone here might find it useful.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=350891

It was inspired by a combination of the "rubber band" method and the Thermalright fan clips.

[Negative Design]

This works too :)

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=113513

[Reefa_Madness]

The thing that makes these clips just a tad better in my mind is that the fan is elevated over the modules, without any contact, therefore, no vibrations and perhaps a little better airflow. The Zalman bracket is also a good alternative. The bottom line is just getting more air flowing, regardless of how you get it done.

[Negative Design]

someone also mentioned that vibrations can damage ram,I dont believe that though,such a small vibration cant make any huge impacts.

Either method is good...up to you guys to decide which one you prefer ;)

[setyotomo]

Here we go! ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26851


:bows: is that fsb 265 @ 1-2-2-0 ?? thats just :rocker:

:slobber:

OT: wow 100 pages :D

[Reefa_Madness]

I really don't know how much impact, if any, a fan's vibrations could or would affect the modules. I'm not really advocating one way or another, but I did think that this was a pretty cool idea the guy came up with. I'm tinkering with one, trying to add some springs in order to make the mounting just a little more secure.

To be honest, its hard to beat the Zalman (or similar homemade) bracket for ease and effectiveness.

[gundamit]

A bit off topic but since you're talking about cooling the memory, looks like the SuperTalent Memory Cooler (http://www.xoxide.com/supertalent.html) has been reborn on the Abit Fatal1ty mobo as "OTES RAMFlow". I elected to go with a Zalman bracket and 92mm fan. Just wish I could get it positioned a bit closer. If someone comes up with a twin 60mm fan solution mounted like the aforementioned SuperTalent and Abit cooling products, I'll jump on it. :D Hmmmm ... maybe I'll start looking around for the old 60mm fans, rubber bands and paper clips previous posters mentioned.

[tictac]

try PM *chew... he got that an8 fatal1ty board

i dont think he need/use that ram cooler :hehe:

[gundamit]

I'm wondering when Twinmos changed their product page for Twinmos PC3200 Speed Premium (http://www.twinmos.com/dram/dram_p_sp_ddr400.htm) to list the die used as Winbond CH-5 and the Twinmos PC3500 Speed Premium (http://www.twinmos.com/dram/dram_p_sp_ddr433.htm) as Winbond BH-5. My pair of SP 3200 sure act like the CH-5 in that they seem more comforatable running 2-3-2 in windows. Anyone one know how I can get my hands on some of the PC3500 sticks? :confused: Although my current Twinmos 3200 SP will run test 5 errorless at 262 2-2-2-5 3.4v in memtest, they freak in Windows at just 250 same timings. :confused:

Edit: Just saw this from Alonso:
CH-5 / AA4T / AA=0,13um 4=Winbond
BH-5 / 1A4T /1A=0,15um 4=Winbond

I thought that a "4" in the third character slot meant BH-5. I'll need to take look at my sticks.

Edit: Bah! Confirmed AA4T!

Finally gave up the Twinmos SP AA4Ts on my current mobo and put them in a DFI LPUT 240HTT 2-2-2-6 3.2v 1:1 and they seem perfectly happy. I'm hoping the HyperX BH-5 I pulled from the LPUT (which did 252 2x512 on that single channel) will see the same jump Eva2000 saw with his BH-5 sticks (Level II PC3500) when he put them in his DFI NF4. Hopefully they like 3.4v more than my Mushkin Promo BH-5 did.

[200%absolut]

is someone here using SP's on intel board please ?

[situman]

dont bother with intel boards. I had tried two sets, and it doesnt like it at all. Finally sold it and kept my BH6.

[Negative Design]

A bit off topic but since you're talking about cooling the memory, looks like the SuperTalent Memory Cooler (http://www.xoxide.com/supertalent.html) has been reborn on the Abit Fatal1ty mobo as "OTES RAMFlow". I elected to go with a Zalman bracket and 92mm fan. Just wish I could get it positioned a bit closer. If someone comes up with a twin 60mm fan solution mounted like the aforementioned SuperTalent and Abit cooling products, I'll jump on it. :D Hmmmm ... maybe I'll start looking around for the old 60mm fans, rubber bands and paper clips previous posters mentioned.




Hahaha! Heres a quote frm that wonder device :D

"*Note: Our legal department would like to remind you to never throw water on any part of your computer, but we hope that you knew that already."

NOW they tell me! :( anyone wanna by some wet sticks :toast: lol

[dexx]

So basically it's a dice throw when ordering from newegg whether you'll get UTT or or not?

Cuz the pic they have for the 512mb modules of SP have code AADT, which from my understanding is not even Winbond chips; but the 256mb modules in the pic they have AA4T and the two dots.
How trustworthy are the pictures shown on Neweggs site? Do they actually update them to accurately depict the memory in stock? Is there anywhere i can order online with some confidence of what i'm getting?

[setyotomo]

:D

just got these from my distributor in my country :

Twinmos "value" PC3200
Chipset : M.tec
week : 05094

Pic :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/mtechUTT_05094_512mb.jpg

i'll be back with the result
:D

[Shroomalistic]

How trustworthy are the pictures shown on Neweggs site? Do they actually update them to accurately depict the memory in stock? Is there anywhere i can order online with some confidence of what i'm getting?


Dont trust the pics, they dont update them very often

[Tibu]

How trustworthy are the pictures shown on Neweggs site? Do they actually update them to accurately depict the memory in stock? Is there anywhere i can order online with some confidence of what i'm getting?

That's exactly what I'm lookign for too. Anyone know a place that has the 512mb modules that are AA4T for sure?

[setyotomo]

back... just do a quick test..

:devil:

fsb 250 2-2-2-5-7-15 3.2v :
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=7962
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/250_32v_pi1m_passed_r.jpg

not bad for a "value" m.tec chip... :hehe:

[zimonex]

I don't find tests about the twinmos speed premium pc3500. Who has this memory?
I think the chips are better than the chips of the speed premium pc3200

[esdee]

A bit off topic but since you're talking about cooling the memory, looks like the SuperTalent Memory Cooler (http://www.xoxide.com/supertalent.html) has been reborn on the Abit Fatal1ty mobo as "OTES RAMFlow". I elected to go with a Zalman bracket and 92mm fan. Just wish I could get it positioned a bit closer. If someone comes up with a twin 60mm fan solution mounted like the aforementioned SuperTalent and Abit cooling products, I'll jump on it. :D Hmmmm ... maybe I'll start looking around for the old 60mm fans, rubber bands and paper clips previous posters mentioned.

less than 7CFM ??? there is no way it's enough for high performance

ive noticed increase in MHz from 100 to 190CFM (delta 12cm , 6V vs 12V)

[uwackme]

Replacement from RMA set arrived, 2x512M 05094 AA4T chips, 230Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 @ 3.25V doing burnin now in NF7-S.

This set is going to be up for sale, Ill test them @ 3.5V after 24h burnin, but i have 4 pairs of 512M sticks now that do 250mhz @ tight so I dont need anymore.

These were shipped Fri 03/18 so I'd say current NewEgg stock is UTT's 100% certain.

[Ubermann]

Whats the highest fsb anyone got with this twinmos memtest stable ?

[Jack]

Whats the highest fsb anyone got with this twinmos memtest stable ?
highest i have seen is 267mhz memtest stable.
There could be people with higher clocks, but i haven't seen it.
Still i'm not that impressed

[Ubermann]

I'm impressed cuz the price here in sweden is almost like you get them for free.
Soon they come with the childrens cornflakesbox.

[largon]

Ubermann: Where? Shipping to Finland shouldn't be terrible.

[uwackme]

My newest puppy's ran 1000 passes 230Mhz 3.2V no errors. Im testing in Infinity now, 3.38V (3.2V in bios) is the highest they like, they error at 3.5v but are doing 245Mhz 1T 8,2,2,2.0 flawlessly... tied with other TMII sticks with UTT I have. Guess the "50D" chips peak at 245mhz in my system, while the "44D" chips manage the magical 250mhz.

I realize they are based on CH5 die, but somebody FIXED something cause they kick the snot out of any CH5 ive ever seen.... and most BH5 on NForce2 as well.

[DcluB]

Is this a god ram? TwinMOS Speed Premium PC3500 512MB CL2.5 Winbond BH-5, 32*8/16chip, 433mhz, 184-P

Someone have try out this one?
Its is a BH-5 or CH5 ?

Check out here : http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PRL

[tictac]

I'm impressed cuz the price here in sweden is almost like you get them for free.
Soon they come with the childrens cornflakesbox.

Agreed ...

Last time when i need to get some Winbond Chip it is so expensive....

After TwinMOS reborn back Winbond chip on their Value RAM....

feel like dreams come true for me...

Thanks TwinMOS..... :toast:

[tictac]

Is this a god ram? TwinMOS Speed Premium PC3500 512MB CL2.5 Winbond BH-5, 32*8/16chip, 433mhz, 184-P

Someone have try out this one?
Its is a BH-5 or CH5 ?

Check out here : http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308282&cks=PRL

GOD ram just born... go get them :banana: :banana:

[endo]

master.....
if u must choice...
twinmos and crucial balistix.....?????

[tictac]

master.....
if u must choice...
twinmos and crucial balistix.....?????

i take this....
http://www.tictac.katrourke.com/pic/twinmos0.jpg

[setyotomo]

@endo:kenapa dibandingin sama crucial balistik? apa mereka pake winbond utt juga?coba anda baca2 dulu threadnya dari awal..

update :

already tested about 6 sticks of 512mb m.tech 05094 .. all can do 250 2-2-2-5-7-15 @ 3.2v memtest5# 25+ passed

good stuff here...

[setyotomo]

update :

twinmos m.tec 05094 aa4t 512x2 2-2-2-5

spi 2m and 3d mark

all at 3.4v

:rehab:

[TEDY]

i just cant believe you that some mtec does 260 at 3.4 :PPP

[setyotomo]

only 2 out of 6 stick does 260, other run good at fsb 250ish 3.2v .. weird huh? :hehe:

[Negative Design]

damn...cant get pass 253@3.2 this mobo is startin to piss me off now too :( on DFI NF3 with tictac BIOS and cant get 3.3v+ to work using OCZ psu....argggggg!

[Skip]

yea, for some reason my mobo won't go past 3.2V even though my 3.3rail is at 3.8

but i'm not too worried because my DFI ultra-D is in RMA right now. so once i get that back these chips will be seeing 3.6 at least. i can boot up with 260 at 3.2, so i hope that means i can get that to be stable...

ordered the twinmos cheap TMII stuff. got them at newegg on monday for 103per GIG kit. got 2 kits! both AA4T

[Biggles]

I'm going to be picking up two 512 MB sticks, which I'll probably be able to pick myself. I have an NF7-S and an OCZ DDR Booster. Do I go for the UTT based AA4T or BH-5 based 1A4T? I know in the past BH-5 > than CH-5, but the new UTT/CH-5 chips really are going great guns.

Oh decisions decisions...

[Shroomalistic]

isnt nice having a choice again with out having to pay the price? We all should get together and write winbond a big thank you letter. :toast:

[Biggles]

Heh, sure they would appreciate that.

It is still a serious question though, if I were to get the choice, which do I stand the best chance of high FSB and tight timings with? The UTT or BH-5?

[Reefa_Madness]

:D

just got these from my distributor in my country :

Twinmos "value" PC3200
Chipset : M.tec
week : 05094

Pic :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/setyotomo/mtechUTT_05094_512mb.jpg

i'll be back with the result
:D

Can you post a picture of the label that is on those "value" sticks. Or at least provide the TM product codes? Are those the same sticks (non SP) that newegg has in stock (the regular PC3200 dual-packs).

How does the price on those compare to the SP?

[Shroomalistic]

Heh, sure they would appreciate that.

It is still a serious question though, if I were to get the choice, which do I stand the best chance of high FSB and tight timings with? The UTT or BH-5?


we wont know untill the actual product in the users hands (perferably an xtreme one)