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Waisztarroz

12-11-2004, 09:19 PM

So, my vapochill LS unit as arrived at my house (please, hold the boo/hiss :( ). I had planned on waiting until NF4 + 6800GT SLI became readily available, but now it's looking like it's going to be at least a couple months before they're out there in high stock and at decent prices on the market.

First, do you think I should just wait and leave this thing sitting around or should I act now and get the processor (maybe fx-53/55? that would be ideal, I think) and a new motherboard (probably the MSI neo2)? I think I know what the response will be here, but maybe a few people will advise against being impatient, heh.

Second, how difficult is the operation to remove and reapply the head to a new motherboard when I make the switch to an nForce 4 down the road? Inadvisible? Pretty easy?

Thanks for any tips... it's going to drive me crazy to have this thing sitting around not doing anything. My present system is just an old AMD XP 2600+... definitely not worth the hassle to hook up to the phase change unit. :p:

bugsy

12-11-2004, 10:01 PM

Breath in, breath out.... NOW WAIT ONE MONTH!!

Minnyboy

12-11-2004, 10:02 PM

Removing the head of the Vapo LS & reinstalling it onto another mobo should be relatively easy if my Vapo PE + AMD64 kit is anything to go by...

Once the head is on the evap, there is not that much left to do considering the ease of installation on the newer AMD64 kits...

The bottom insulation is a sneeze to remove & reinstall on a newer mobo as the heater does not stick to the mobo but to the insulation. The cpu insulation is easy as well. Asetek sure did a good job of making it easy to use the newer AMD64/S478 kit over the old S478/S462 kits that came with my Vapo PE...

As for the being impatient part, If you got the money to burn then go the FX/MSI neo2 way... Only problem I see is the AGP part of the board but the AGP card should be easy to sell once the NF4 are out in numbers... Remember, all of the new cards are design for PCI-E... This may lead to problems selling the card as then most of the newer boards will only support PCI-E but I don't see too much of a problem getting rid of the older card as there will be more than a few ppl still with APG mobos..

Just my 2 cents & more..

Cheers,
Minnyboy

Waisztarroz

12-11-2004, 10:16 PM

Breath in, breath out.... NOW WAIT ONE MONTH!!
:p:

I hear ya, I'll probably wait. But the the vapochill will be near my bed every night I go to sleep, I think. :slobber:
Removing the head of the Vapo LS & reinstalling it onto another mobo should be relatively easy if my Vapo PE + AMD64 kit is anything to go by...

Once the head is on the evap, there is not that much left to do considering the ease of installation on the newer AMD64 kits...

The bottom insulation is a sneeze to remove & reinstall on a newer mobo as the heater does not stick to the mobo but to the insulation. The cpu insulation is easy as well. Asetek sure did a good job of making it easy to use the newer AMD64/S478 kit over the old S478/S462 kits that came with my Vapo PE...

As for the being impatient part, If you got the money to burn then go the FX/MSI neo2 way... Only problem I see is the AGP part of the board but the AGP card should be easy to sell once the NF4 are out in numbers... Remember, all of the new cards are design for PCI-E... This may lead to problems selling the card as then most of the newer boards will only support PCI-E but I don't see too much of a problem getting rid of the older card as there will be more than a few ppl still with APG mobos..

Just my 2 cents & more..

Cheers,
Minnyboy

Hmm, that doesn't sound too bad. I was an idiot and got a 6800gt a few months ago, so there's not really any concern about a new vid card until I need to switch to PCI-E. In fact, the card was the reason I was considering trying to go with the board now so that I could hang on to it for a little longer.

If I go this route, I'll for sure get a processor I can keep using with socket 939 and be satisfied. With that said, though, it doesn't seem too likely that I'll buy 2 motherboards within the space of a few months.

bh2k

12-11-2004, 10:52 PM

Breath in, breath out.... NOW WAIT ONE MONTH!!

BREATH IN BREATH OUT. IF YA ICED UP PULL YA SLEAVES OUT...

err...have fun.

blinky

12-12-2004, 03:57 PM

Lean Back

buffarilla

12-13-2004, 06:03 AM

ha ha ha ha

Dumo

12-17-2004, 05:12 PM

Waisztarroz

12-17-2004, 06:04 PM

Hook it up to your 2600 (you need amd xp gaskets cpu kit) then you can exorsize the speed demon inside that cpu :D . By the time you get nforce4, you alreasy got a hang of it. Reinstall it to amd64 will be easy.

Nah, it overclocks pretty terribly. It's not a barton core. It's a thoroughbred with 166 fsb (x12.5), actually.

Well, I guess it's not so terrible. I was able to get it up to about 212 fsb with maybe a 11.5 multiplier or so with Koolance. It would run stable all day with everything at about 200 fsb. I don't think it or my RAM wanted to go further, though, despite any voltage change and probably wouldn't have with better cooling, but it's hard to say. My RAM is Kingston Hyper X DDR333 so it was definitely being pushed. I never tried much with a divider due to drastic drop in scores.

Waisztarroz

12-19-2004, 11:15 PM

Alright, at the very least, I want to test it to make sure it works. Is that feasible without a CPU attached?

Do I just connect it to the circuit board, connect the board to a power switch, and then press the switch? Does the evaporator head need to be in the clamshell for this test?

masterofpuppets

12-20-2004, 02:31 PM

Waisztarroz

12-20-2004, 09:38 PM

I'm not sure if this applies to the Vapo, but on the Mach II you can connect just connect the unit to the power with no mobo or cpu attached then just plug a power button into it. It should start the compressor.
It did indeed. Unit shot down to -50C in a very short time. :slobber: I tried to get the condensation off the head the best I could after I shut it down.

kayl

12-21-2004, 05:25 AM

give it some cold.
ya could buy new ram, since ya will need it for the new mobo.
that 2600 should still hit 2.5 2.6GHZ, chips what eva they are love the cold.

Waisztarroz

12-22-2004, 05:11 PM

Well, the real problem is that I have no insulation made for the motherboard/chip, although this motherboard (epox 8rda+) does have mounting holes, which would make it a little easier. Still, I'm not sure I'd want to trust custom insulation for a system which needs to sustain me for a few months.

Out of curiousity, if the phase change is used on a system which has no insulation, would it form ice crystals and be ok the first run, just dying after you shut it down and the ice melts? I have an old AMD K6-2 366 Gateway, and... :D

I also have an old Socket A 900MHz AMD lying about, but the motherboard died for that a while back. With the immense surface area on that beast, it'd be kind of odd to cool...

reject

12-22-2004, 06:17 PM

you dont need insulation if the dewpoint temp is low enough, i think that happens when there is a high pressure cell above.
you can check on a government weather site what the dewpoint is and if its low you could run it. loaded temps with an xp will be about -30c, so its up to you
probly you could get away witha bit of neo around socket and on the back, but if you dont really care about mobo juust smother it wil dielectric grease and spray on pcd laquer and it will be fine
water is bad for you stuff casue it will connect 2 live points and casue a short. ice wont be bad as long as its cold enough to not melt.

kayl

12-22-2004, 06:35 PM

must insulate.
it would be alot alot more work to mop up after each use, much easy to just insulate it first.
and use dielectric grease and stuff. do it once and it will last foreva.
its not really that hard.
read a few of the guides around
if ya read enough post ya more that likely to see several ppl showing how they insulated theirs, so many ways.
insulating socket and dd block really helps with temps.