To go newcastle or winchester?

[DevilsRejection]

With conrad and some other people hitting great, stable, overclocks with 130nm, the question begs to be asked.

Go 90nm or stay at 130nm? :confused:

[conrad.maranan]

I think you already know my answer. ;)

[Dissolved]

if your air or water cooling id think winny..

phasechange or chilled water newcastle..

but with the winny on die controllers possibly being bunk, your best bet is a NC

[JDizzle]

I'm getting pretty good clocks with me 130nm 3000+(in sig) but if I was to upgrade right now I'd probably go for a 90nm.

[DevilsRejection]

im not looking for anything crazy, just 11x240 to be around an FX-55, and i want to go with a silently air cooled systemso whinny i go.

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

What do you guys think is the best looking at price and oc ability:

- DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250GB 123€
- AMD64 3000+ BOXED 157,71€
_______
280,71€

- MSI K8N Neo2 Platinium 152,5€
- AMD64 3000+ BOXED 168,15€
_______
320,65€

[dfx]

I on phase change
Regret going over 90nm
Previously my 130 mn 3000+ @ 2.9ghz
But now..
My 90mn 3000+ is shy of cold
Now on air

Go 90nm if u planned to go on Air or Water

[Geforce4ti4200]

"but with the winny on die controllers possibly being bunk, your best bet is a NC"


but winchesters generally oc better also they perform faster clock for clock. yes their ondie controllers are usually weak but it boils down to running say 290x9 with ram async at 236 or 266x9 with 1:1 ram. a 2.6GHz winchester, even with 236MHz on the ram will crush a newcastle 200MHz slower with 30MHz higher ram clocks. Of course you might get lucky and be able to run 266x9 1:1 with winchester. I for one hope I get really lucky and be able to run 1:1 if I can get the fsb high enough, else ill get better performance async. 266x9=2.4GHz would be rather impressive 1:1 with T1 timings for 24/7 gaming because at those clocks, it runs cool and at stock 1.4v and will only be slightly slower than 290x9 with ram async which ill only run for benchies anyway.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I on phase change
I regret going over 90nm
Previously my 130 mn 3000+ @ 2.9ghz
But now..
My 90mn 3000+ is shy of cold
Now on air :(

Go 90nm if u planned to go on Air or Water


some people ARE getting over 3GHz phase change with winchesters, also venice might fix the cold issue. There is always fx53 for $600 or fx55 for $850 and the fx53 should do like 3GHz while the 55 does about 300MHz higher. If you cant afford fx, keep your winchester and wait for the Venice which should be out very soon. I for one will go venice if amd makes a 3200+ or 3500+ flavor under $200 and if those can do at least 280x10 with ram at 1:1 due to improved ondie controller.

[dfx]

Considering mine is one of the latest batch (0441 SPMW)
But still no luck with the cold issue
Kinda disappointed

[agor]

What do you guys think is the best looking at price and oc ability:

- DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250GB 123€
- AMD64 3000+ BOXED 157,71€
_______
280,71€

- MSI K8N Neo2 Platinium 152,5€
- AMD64 3000+ BOXED 168,15€
_______
320,65€
damn what prices are that?
.13µ Boxed (http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a76747.html) 128,90€
DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB (http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a117961.html) 88€
--------
216,90€


.09µ Boxed (http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a121936.html) 136,29€
MSI K8N Neo2 Plat. nF3 250GB (http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a106526.html) 113,48€
--------
249,77€


based on germanys best prices.

[Pomme]

damn what prices are that?

belgian ones :(

[bacon]

What do you guys think is the best looking at price and oc ability:

- DFI LANPARTY UT nF3 250GB 123€
- AMD64 3000+ BOXED 157,71€
_______
280,71€

- MSI K8N Neo2 Platinium 152,5€
- AMD64 3000+ BOXED 168,15€
_______
320,65€

id prob say the DFi, iv had a dfi setup and now this msi setup and kind of regret changing anything, but then if you want a 939 chip and know your not going to change the chip for a year or so then it might be abetter choice, but i doubt you'll keep it for mroe than a few months anyway eh ;)

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

id prob say the DFi, iv had a dfi setup and now this msi setup and kind of regret changing anything, but then if you want a 939 chip and know your not going to change the chip for a year or so then it might be abetter choice, but i doubt you'll keep it for mroe than a few months anyway eh ;)

Well, I won't change the motherboard for a year or so but the cpu will change during the year. Right now I think I will go for the winchester because its better for the future. Maybe I will wait untill they make a S939 DFI motherboard so I have 3+vdimm because I don't have the money for good ram.

[Geforce4ti4200]

"but it has a very bunk mem controller..dual channel on a 166 setting and 199 is highest it will go and on a 133 setting 181 is the highest it will go.."


wow sorry to hear! does it do higher fsb air cooled? could low temps adversely affect the ondie controller? I dont know whats up with mine, but I have a thread on this, short to say I can barely get 200fsb T1 dual channel. T2 or single channel gets me 230-240 but like everyone and their mother said, I need to try tccd. This will tell me once and for all, if I dont get at least 236fsb(which is what the 166 divider yields) the winchesters for sale.

[Kanavit]

the only difference between newcastle and winchester is core size. Newcastle are bigger than winchester. From what i've read, winchesters overclock much better and are cooler because of 90nm process vs 130nm(NC).

[FSA]

winchesters are cooler because of 90nm process vs 130nm(NC).
Thats not right. Indeed, they draw less wattage than the 130nm ones, but in reality, because of the die-size being smaller, it reaches almost the same temperatures.

[DevilsRejection]

i don't know except I need to decide before the end of 04

[Tek]

the only difference between newcastle and winchester is core size. Newcastle are bigger than winchester. From what i've read, winchesters overclock much better and are cooler because of 90nm process vs 130nm(NC).

Wouldn't the smaller core counter or balance the lesser heat output? I mean, less voltage, but also less of a surface area for heat to dissapate? Only wondering, I could be way off :)

Though, I think Saaya made a thread sometime ago, showing WC are actually cooler than the NC cores. Dunno :p: