Epox 9nda3+ Test(ddr670 Pass!!!)

[windwithme]

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K8 939 3000 0.09
EPOX 9NDA3+
G-Skill TCCD DDR600 256MBX2
GeForce256
TEAC512EB
300W

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http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/670.jpg

http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/W670.jpg

[georgesod]

What ram are u using? The bandwidth seems a bit low
Edit i just saw gskill

[sr4470]

@ georgesod its Gskill PC4800, yeah the screenshot is a lil tricky to read...I guess the latency does hurt performance even at these high speeds :rolleyes:

[jlccarv]

Yeah, this board can definetely hit high HTTs...

It does need the new BIOS (10 Nov) though, to properly support some double banked dimms...

[esoteradactyl]

Yeah, this board can definetely hit high HTTs...

It does need the new BIOS (10 Nov) though, to properly support some double banked dimms...

do you guys have any trouble running ldt at x3?? if i set it in the bios i can't get it to post.

[Tony]

I have run 325fsb dual channel DDR650 on this same Epox with 2x512dimms which up's the memory controller load much more than 2x256...but it needs 2T just like we are probably seeing here.

[trans am]

Yeah this is definitely 2T cmd. That should be way over 8k in sandra even with the crap timings.

[=[PULSAR]=]

windwithme can you try 1T for us?

[confuzzedintel]

so that board doesnt suck as bad as i have bin hearing

[Tony]

Guys with a vdimm mod the boards pretty sweet, I have mailed Epox suggesting they add a few extra tweaking options to the ram setup and then it would be a lot better.

Just for jollies I decided to run 2t with some 3200rev2 2x512. Its pretty stable here although i have a driver issue with sandra crashing out but super pi and everest are totally fine.

See what you think. CPU is a 3800+ running 320fsbx8 2T

[confuzzedintel]

Guys with a vdimm mod the boards pretty sweet, I have mailed Epox suggesting they add a few extra tweaking options to the ram setup and then it would be a lot better.

Just for jollies I decided to run 2t with some 3200rev2 2x512. Its pretty stable here although i have a driver issue with sandra crashing out but super pi and everest are totally fine.

See what you think. CPU is a 3800+ running 320fsbx8 2T

cant you just use a DDR booster other thin hard modding it?

[Tony]

cant you just use a DDR booster other thin hard modding it?
the booster kills the board here...so don't try it ;)

[confuzzedintel]

one last usless post can you post a pick of the vdim mod ?

[windwithme]

All Test Use 1t

Neo 2.85v Run Ddr670
9nda3+ 2.8v Run Ddr670

[Tony]

one last usless post can you post a pick of the vdim mod ?
Ok just for you ;) Pot is 50K linear set to max resistance to start. Pin6 to ground (in this case a fan header so i can unplug it)

Contrast is a little high but its nice an clear for you.

[confuzzedintel]

that mod dont look as hard as i thought what if other thin soldering the black wire on i just make sure it has contact and hot glue it that way if the board dies i can still RMA it?

[Tony]

that mod dont look as hard as i thought what if other thin soldering the black wire on i just make sure it has contact and hot glue it that way if the board dies i can still RMA it?
I would solder it m8

[Tony]

so found the absolute max...seems you need to match the ram to the board well and it really does need the vdimm mod.

[confuzzedintel]

bummer i suck at soldering owell thanks for the info and i will now quit spaming/hijacking someone els thread :)

[Arkangyl]

So where does the Epox fall into it all? Better than the MSI or about the same?

[Tony]

I think its better although it needs an update to the bios for all the alpha tweaks and the vdimm mod.

[confuzzedintel]

i have always known epox for there extreme voltages its sad to see they didnt bring it along with this board

[esoteradactyl]

i have to agree this board is better than the neo2. a better bios would make this board shine even more. cant wait till i get my fx-55 under the LS. hurry up mr fedex man :p:

[burnhead]

what are the prices like?

[jlccarv]

Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...

[cpulloverclock]

http://www.coolaler.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=32646

[Cranox]

Ok just for you ;) Pot is 50K linear set to max resistance to start. Pin6 to ground (in this case a fan header so i can unplug it)

Contrast is a little high but its nice an clear for you.

Can u post a pic of the Vcoremod ;)
Do it need a 50k or 100 k ?

Thx

[BeSaiD]

what's the max vcore and vdimm without a vmod?

Between this one and the MSI neo2, or the future DFI lanparty (nf3 one), who's the better for oc and performance? Because DDR670 sounds sweeeeeeeeet :banana:

[kristos]

Can u post a pic of the Vcoremod ;)
Do it need a 50k or 100 k ?

Thxmaybe this 'll help ;)

don't mind the red and yellow circles and crosses, the people that were working on the mod originally encircled all the voltage related chips and then crossed out the ones that weren't the ones they were looking for. the only ones that matter carry the explanation in red text in the white backgrounds.


*edit* for those that already have the board, any comments on this? it's from a thread here but I couldn't find it anymore, luckily someone also posted it on madshrimps ;)

pros
runs great with ocz eb
runs great with bh5
runs great with ballistix
runs great with tccd
uses the 5v rail to derive vdimm
port80 diagnostic display

cons
problems with 512mb sticks latest bios seems to fix this
WARNING! do NOT use the ocz DDR booster on this board! vdimm above 2.8v will fry a mosfet and kill the board!
coldboot issues, random crashes and freezes from usb hardware (mouse keyboard printer etc)
cant run command rate 1t in slots 1&2 latest bios seems to fix this
vdimm is stuck at 2.7v and wont rise seems to work fine for some people
cpu temperature not reading correctly seems to work fine for some people
vcore ovp at 1.9v
only memory without a heatspreader will fit in slot1 with an xp120

[windwithme]

Yeah this is definitely 2T cmd. That should be way over 8k in sandra even with the crap timings.

If you can follow my setting, and using the 2T set running the 8k speed. You win

If you can't follow and you lose

[buff]

So right now the USB's are not functional?

[SmokeyTheBandit]

I also own this board and realy like it :)

This is the max i got this out of it :D

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/pjm.honselaar/Mobos/290_2.5_4_3_7.JPG

It has got some probs. with the memory and bios.
Like bigtoe says it needs a bios to fix this.

I also think its mucht better than the msi seems much faster working with apps somehow.

I can only run this high in slot 3+4 ... when i put the ram in 1+2 the system is very unstable ... cannot even get 10x 250 stable ... timings doesnt matter ... :mad:

[windwithme]

I also own this board and realy like it :)

This is the max i got this out of it :D

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/pjm.honselaar/Mobos/290_2.5_4_3_7.JPG

It has got some probs. with the memory and bios.
Like bigtoe says it needs a bios to fix this.

I also think its mucht better than the msi seems much faster working with apps somehow.

I can only run this high in slot 3+4 ... when i put the ram in 1+2 the system is very unstable ... cannot even get 10x 250 stable ... timings doesnt matter ... :mad:

my insert dimm1&dimm2 :)

[Zanr Zij]

so ur meaning is EPOX as good as MSI ?

last summer I thought " ... will choose EPOX"... but... now think that MSI sound better..

[esoteradactyl]

here is a new unofficial beta bios md34b25 (http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11177) :)

[windwithme]

so ur meaning is EPOX as good as MSI ?

last summer I thought " ... will choose EPOX"... but... now think that MSI sound better..

9NDA3+ IS BETTER THAN NEO2

[thomas66]

Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...


iam also browsing a bit for a possible amd64 purchase..
and the epox is "here in germany" in the same price level as the msi
to be exactly it € 5,- more expensive

[Jeager]

Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...

and better ?

[Onepagebook]

Yeah this is definitely 2T cmd. That should be way over 8k in sandra even with the crap timings.


wrong answer, it's definitely 1t CMD ;)

[SmokeyTheBandit]

and better ?

This has been said a number of times already :stick:

9NDA3+ IS BETTER THAN NEO2

[jlccarv]

On my 9NDA3+, dimm slots 1 and 2 are stuffed when using 2x512MB modules, in dual channel (of course). Test 6 in memtest reports 1000's of errors at stock. In dimm slots 3 and 4 they run perfectly.

Whats more wierd is that, 2x256MB modules work a charm in dimm slots 1 and 2....

Im using the 10 Nov 34b10. I tried to flash the beta 34b25 (ALT+F2 method), but it stalled before it flashed, I'll try again soon...

[jlccarv]

and better ?

I've never used the Neo2 Plat, so I cant compare the two...

[windwithme]

and better ?

yes
I Use over 15 slices of MSI K8n neo2
9nda3 is + better than neo2 in exceeding frequently

[Zanr Zij]

yes
I Use over 15 slices of MSI K8n neo2
9nda3 is + better than neo2 in exceeding frequently


Can u show me BIOS setting best 4 9nda3+ with Winchester ?

[windwithme]

Can u show me BIOS setting best 4 9nda3+ with Winchester ?
And then after a while. Have I by BIOS it last test of respect not other , then can no photo that you need will be offered:)

[SmokeyTheBandit]

On my 9NDA3+, dimm slots 1 and 2 are stuffed when using 2x512MB modules, in dual channel (of course). Test 6 in memtest reports 1000's of errors at stock. In dimm slots 3 and 4 they run perfectly.

Whats more wierd is that, 2x256MB modules work a charm in dimm slots 1 and 2....

Im using the 10 Nov 34b10. I tried to flash the beta 34b25 (ALT+F2 method), but it stalled before it flashed, I'll try again soon...

I got the exact same thing with my 9nda3+ 2x 512 mb dimms run terrible in 1 and 2 :mad:

I flashed to the beta using winflash windows utility works like a charm !

[windwithme]

here is a new unofficial beta bios md34b25 (http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11177) :)
What has BIOS which Could you tell me this edition improved? 9NDA3 of me use 256MBX2 in unable to start the machine DIMM3&4
Thanks :)

[goddh0r]

hey guys, what is maximum vcore w/ a winchester cpu, is it 1.6v via bios ? and if 1.6v is selected, whats the real vcore then about ? is it undervolting very much ? does the latest beta bios maybe raise vcore ? i think a decent board should at least give 1.65v effectively. :)

[Jeager]

Yes she is better than the MSI but why ?
More stable ? better voltage ?

I know epox motherboard but tell me more plz :p:

[Zebo]

If you don't need RAID same board for $92 @mwave.com :toast:

http://www.epox.com/USA/product.asp?id=EP-9NDA3J

Excellent work windwithme :banana4:

[JDizzle]

Much cheaper than the Neo2 Plat...

It's only $10 cheaper on newegg. $130 shipped was the best deal I could find on this board through pricewatch.

[jlccarv]

It's only $10 cheaper on newegg. $130 shipped was the best deal I could find on this board through pricewatch.

Hmm, i figured the price difference was similar to what it is in Australia. Here the 9NDA3+ is ~AUD$240 and the Neo2 Plat is ~AUD$290...

[jlccarv]

I got the exact same thing with my 9nda3+ 2x 512 mb dimms run terrible in 1 and 2 :mad:

I flashed to the beta using winflash windows utility works like a charm !

Ah, super! will flash tonight :up:

[windwithme]

Yes she is better than the MSI but why ?
More stable ? better voltage ?

I know epox motherboard but tell me more plz :p:

Frequently easier to reach than neo2 to have + 300 outsides of 9nda3

Just operated the computer and ran 1.6V run 2.7G while being steady while being about Use the same CPU with RAM before this Is it get 1.7V is unable to let P95 run two PASSs to add at NEO2

http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/2700.jpg

But the network is really unstable, but the little younger brother has already touched too much unstable problems of NV board network from NF2 to now So I have already prepared 3COM, the network card is very cheap

[Jeager]

Max Vddr is 2.8 :confused:

[jlccarv]

I got the exact same thing with my 9nda3+ 2x 512 mb dimms run terrible in 1 and 2 :mad:

I flashed to the beta using winflash windows utility works like a charm !

Just so Im sure on this; was the problem with dimm slots 1 and 2 fixed after you flashed the BETA BIOS?

[ruff97]

what new with the beta bios need some infor

[SmokeyTheBandit]

Just so Im sure on this; was the problem with dimm slots 1 and 2 fixed after you flashed the BETA BIOS?

Nope problem is still there .... :mad:

[ruff97]

ok have anyone try it with 4x256 memory. like me. right now i have it a 9x260 and the memory is at FSB 216(166) i know i can get more out of it but do not know what is hold me back can any one help


also can anyone tell me do i have to set agp 67 or can i set it at 66

[dutchman.pt]

Max Vddr is 2.8 :confused:
It seems so...:S
If they don't fix this it will be a major negative point against this motherboard and the MSI will continue to be best socket 939 board.

Btw, the problem with the OCZ Booster it's only because of the voltage increase or the booster is incompatible at all for other reasons?

[confuzzedintel]

It seems so...:S
If they don't fix this it will be a major negative point against this motherboard and the MSI will continue to be best socket 939 board.

Btw, the problem with the OCZ Booster it's only because of the voltage increase or the booster is incompatible at all for other reasons?

im wondering the same thing altho the vmod dosnt seem that hard to do but i would like to find a way of doing it with out pernatly vmodding the board

[windwithme]

to esoteradactyl:
thanks :)

Want BIOS diagram CPU voltage, preserves and adds 0.5V, it is that 1.45V take-offs to be basic http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B1.JPG

Time have frequently, have 8 lower frequently most, 3000+ is 200X9, so there is 8& 9 but choices The same, 3200+ is 80 but the choice, the elasticity is not great enough http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B2.JPG

RAM voltage, 2.5~2.8V, TCCD is set as 2.7V in advance with AUTO, it will be better that there is above 2.8V
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B3.JPG

NF3 chip's group's voltage, 1.6V is preserved, can pressurize , this is a advantage
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B4.JPG

Parameter of RAM
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B5.JPG

It is here to establish CPU adds 0.2V RAM 2.8V Chip 1.65V Voltage that the host computer board examines out actually
http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B6.JPG

11/25 BETA BIOS behavior that esoteradactyl offers is still good Original part that DIMM3&4 can't start the machine (whether have meet by net friend can run 4 3&, 2 1& not all right) Can go to DDR600 about one pair of passways now, it is still a bit weaker than 1& 2 on my board Basically test this host computer board unless it get here of, can come report more for new discovery:)

[goddh0r]

so a vcore of approximately 1.6v is max. available ? ;(

[xs64]

The bios is quite cool for ocer , unlike the Neo2 does :(

[dutchman.pt]

im wondering the same thing altho the vmod dosnt seem that hard to do but i would like to find a way of doing it with out pernatly vmodding the board

What i understood of the problem is that if you raise the vdimm above 2.8v it will fry a mosfet and kill the board.
Now if it is OCZ DDR Booster + Epox fault or it's only fault of one of them i don't know.
If someone could clarify us that...

[esoteradactyl]

im wondering the same thing altho the vmod dosnt seem that hard to do but i would like to find a way of doing it with out pernatly vmodding the board

i dont think the booster works on any board that draws the vdimm from the 5v rail.

[dutchman.pt]

i dont think the booster works on any board that draws the vdimm from the 5v rail.

In that case if you raise the 5v rail you raise the Vdimm, right ?
With the OCZ powestream that would be very easy but we don't know if the mosfet also melts in that case.



Btw, can someone give me a link to see or tell the usage of the PSU rails for the different hardware ?

[Riemen]

What i understood of the problem is that if you raise the vdimm above 2.8v it will fry a mosfet and kill the board.
Now if it is OCZ DDR Booster + Epox fault or it's only fault of one of them i don't know.
If someone could clarify us that...

The Question is, if this only can happen with the DDR Booster, or also with the vdimm mod.

Bigtoe, how much Volts can you give with your mod? I have also read, that vdimm above 1,7V can be unstable on this board. Have you realized any Problems?

Still not sure which Board to buy... :confused:

[dutchman.pt]

The Question is, if this only can happen with the DDR Booster, or also with the vdimm mod.


That's exactly what i said. :)

[esoteradactyl]

In that case if you raise the 5v rail you raise the Vdimm, right ?
With the OCZ powestream that would be very easy but we don't know if the mosfet also melts in that case.



Btw, can someone give me a link to see or tell the usage of the PSU rails for the different hardware ?

no that is not how it works. there is a voltage regulator limiting the amount of voltage allowed through it. by moding it, you will be lowering the resistance thus allowing for more voltage. so raising the 5v line will do nothing unless you mode the voltage regulator. if you were to mode the regulator there would be no reason to raise your 5v line since you would already have 5v available.

however if you were modding the 3.3v then you would increase the rail in order to raise the voltage above 3.3v. obviously that isnt an option on this board, but it is on alot of others.

[dutchman.pt]

no that is not how it works. there is a voltage regulator limiting the amount of voltage allowed through it. by moding it, you will be lowering the resistance thus allowing for more voltage. so raising the 5v line will do nothing unless you mode the voltage regulator. if you were to mode the regulator there would be no reason to raise your 5v line since you would already have 5v available.

however if you were modding the 3.3v then you would increase the rail in order to raise the voltage above 3.3v. obviously that isnt an option on this board, but it is on alot of others.

Thanks for the explanation.
I was applying the same logical method that you explained for the 3.3v. :)

But the board can reach higher vdimms (with mod) without the mosfet melting or not?

[jlccarv]

Is the chip capable of setting higher voltages 2.8v+ with a modded BIOS? Is the BIOS mod-able in regard to vdimm, for that matter?

[esoteradactyl]

Thanks for the explanation.
I was applying the same logical method that you explained for the 3.3v. :)

But the board can reach higher vdimms (with mod) without the mosfet melting or not?

in order to use the 3.3v method you would still need to mod the board the same way i explained how the 5v method works. the dfi 250gb is the only board ive ever seen that would allow you to just raise the 3.3v without physically modding the board, but this was used with a special bios.

you dont need to be worry about frying anything as long as you have good airflow surrounding the board.

[esoteradactyl]

Is the chip capable of setting higher voltages 2.8v+ with a modded BIOS? Is the BIOS mod-able in regard to vdimm, for that matter?

i checked the bios with modbin to see if any additional voltage options were available and didnt find anything :( a modded bios might work but it all depends on the type of volt regs they used on the board.

it was interesting though because there were two different listings for the vcore. one had vcore at +0.20v and the other had +0.35v. i have no clue if those options can be used or not. the option to make them selectable in the bios is not there. here are some pics that show my findings. i know bigtoe is good with bioses so maybe he can lend us some of his knowledge :)

[jlccarv]

That first list is great... vcore selectable from +0.025v to +0.35v in 0.025 increments!!! That is exactly what I have been hoping for vcore wise... nice one esoteradactyl.

Just to confirm what you said earlier; that the 9NDA dimm slots are fed by the 5.0v rail? Now, if to find a way of getting vdimm selectable up to ~4.0v.

[confuzzedintel]

If you don't need RAID same board for $92 @mwave.com :toast:

http://www.epox.com/USA/product.asp?id=EP-9NDA3J

Excellent work windwithme :banana4:

Are you sure it has the same bios options and everything just not raid? i dont need onboard raid i will get a controller card later on down the road.

[Zebo]

Are you sure it has the same bios options and everything just not raid? i dont need onboard raid i will get a controller card later on down the road.
I'll let you know.

[confuzzedintel]

I'll let you know.

i apreciate it because if it is the same it is worth saving the extra 30 bucks.

[buff]

looks like a good board for 90......everything else is the same, right?

[confuzzedintel]

looks like a good board for 90......everything else is the same, right?
thats what we are trying to figure out is if it is the same or not, i think it is except for the RAID

[Aldus]

Anyone else concerned they may be of lesser quality silicon ? Or does that not matter as much with the on die mem controllers ?

[buff]

uhm....somebody buy it and tell us please :D

[Zebo]

I did buy it, saturday. But I'm cheap and went with 3-5 day ground. "it's in the mail" I let you know ASAP.

[confuzzedintel]

i was poking arround in the bios for the Epox 9nda3+ and i must say i like alot of the options it offers

[buff]

oooooooo

cant wait to find out......
I think this is the board I am going to get.......

[Mrki]

whats about the subzero bug?

somebody tested?

[caligula]

Looks like the board can run high HTT at high FSB... look what I've done: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=20940

[pre]

vdimm is stuck at 2.7v and wont rise seems to work fine for some people[/i]

on 8KDA3+ I had this was caused by setting system performance to "fastest" eg use dimm mfr default settings. if you use "normal" vdimm selection acts normally (was only 2.76v though at 2.8v setting).

[kristos]

thanks :up:

[Zebo]

Hey buff and guys re $90 EPOX 9NDA3J rev 2 I got the board in today installing OS right now.

As far as I can tell There is little difference between it and it's $130 brother.

Missing FW
Missing rounded cables.
Missing Firewire headers
Missing Screwdriver
Only 2 sata RAID vs. 4


Other than that it's exactly the same board. Same box, Same bios options, same layout.

I'm pretty stoked after having the Gigabyte which would'nt even boot@240.
This board boots @ 315

Another thing i really like about EPOX is it's the best manual I've ever read. All bios options are clear explained and using good english.


I'll update once everything's up. Wish me luck

[althes]

That board is doing really well, look foward to some results.

[jlccarv]

All bios options are clear explained and using good english.

You mean, proper english. Seeing as though we are taking stabs at the way some speak/write english.


WINDWITHME


HUH?

WINDWITHME is obviously using an english to his native language dictionary, of some sort. So, a little tact would be appreciated. On to what he means; the chipset voltage is at 1.60v by default, it can be changed and is therefore an advantage (over the Neo2, I presume).

I'll update once everything's up. Wish me luck

Good luck... :up:

[buff]

hehehe, cant wait

[jlccarv]

on 8KDA3+ I had this was caused by setting system performance to "fastest" eg use dimm mfr default settings. if you use "normal" vdimm selection acts normally (was only 2.76v though at 2.8v setting).

This issue is/was present with the shipping BIOS of the 9NDA3+, but consequent BIOS revisions have provided a fix...

[okra]

Zebo, thanks for the info!
Saw that board and started salivating.

what cpu are you using?

The 3000+ for $160 at monarchcomputer.com looks pretty good.

looking forward to your results!

[Zebo]

Epox $90 board kickass...

315 Bus easy @1.60 v chipset on stock bios, all the bios option of big brother.testing mem now...I'm no expert so bear with me time wise..

[okra]

so you ARE using a 3000+ on that board?

looks good so far! mind if I ask what ram, etc?

[Zebo]

so you ARE using a 3000+ on that board?

looks good so far! mind if I ask what ram, etc?


Yes on my gigabyte I could not post past 240 for some reason so it *really* limited the 3000's OC because only max 9 multiplier .:( I was running at only 2100 Mhz because of this board limitation. Needless to say, I'm just happy to get high FSB now.:)

RAM samsung TCCD (pqi) 2 x 512 in slots 3 and 4

[okra]

sweet!
I'm currently using a gig of some old Samsung TCCC, probably going to get the 3200+ for the 10x multi, and see what I can do without having to buy new ram.

won't do anything past 210 on my nf7, so it should be interesting.

[Zebo]

Heres best I can do with mem it's only 2t though

I can do 282 at 1t with same timmings.

[buff]

looks good......

any idea about the Vdimm mod?
Is it possible to damage anything giving the ram 3.5Vdimm?
and is it possible to use an SMD grabber?

[Zebo]

Well I think this is it for me. I can't run 1T at bus speed so I'm using 166 mem setting. I'm pretty happy for a $145 chip and $90 board. Not as good as old days with $44 tbreds but that's alright.:)

http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~smanning/prelim.jpg

[okra]

looks nice, thanks!

[Aldus]

I just ordered my 9NDA3J from mwave and a 3200+ from zipzoomfly. CPU will be here monday / tuesday but the mobo wont arrive until wenesday. I still wont be able to play with the new toys until christmas. =[

[Zebo]

here is a new unofficial beta bios md34b25 (http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11177) :)

Can you instruct me how to install this? I'm going to try it on the budget "J" board.

I can't run 1T at highFSB you think this will help?

Thanks :) :)

[confuzzedintel]

awsome results it was what i was hoping for i think your 1T prob is due to your ram i know you probably said it already but what ram are you using?

[Zebo]

awsome results it was what i was hoping for i think your 1T prob is due to your ram i know you probably said it already but what ram are you using?

I am using 2x512 PQI with samsung TCCD. Got them real cheap from newegg ($222) awhile back. They should run 1T at 290 with 3-4-3 no? Anyway I have to run them at 2T 3-4-3@290 or alternativly 1t 2.5-3-3 using the 166 mem setting giving me 240Mhz...:(


always fail mem test #6 any higher
and I'm chicken to try hardmodding my motherboard for more volts like those above me...

[confuzzedintel]

i dont think its a volt issue alot of the 2x512 setups have a hard time with high speeds if you have a 256 TCCD stick of ram laying arround you might want to give that a try

[ruff97]

i just get me a other 9NDA3+ and the one i get is ver2.1 and i also get me a 3200. on your frist pic (windwithme) it show the volt. from 0.05 to 0.20v then is the some on my ver1. but know on my ver 2.1 i get a lot move to choose from it (0.5-0.70 volt) have the some bios but it do not show the some volt i will take a pic later right now i an test it



[QUOTE=windwithme]to esoteradactyl:
thanks :)

Want BIOS diagram CPU voltage, preserves and adds 0.5V, it is that 1.45V take-offs to be basic http://hkp2p.shopping7.org/~hardware/TEST/9NDA3/B1.JPG

QUOTE]

[Zebo]

hey I think budget J has higher vcore available? up +.35 take a look

[jlccarv]

Sounds like you have the old BIOS revision there, ruff97...

Zebo, are you running your sticks in dimm slots 1 and 3? And yeah, those are the hidden BIOS vcore options in the 9NDA3 BIOS, looks like it is the default on the j board... What revision is your board Zebo?

[Zebo]

Any extra vdimm on the version 2.1?

Zebo, are you running your sticks in dimm slots 1 and 3?

3 and 4 per you all's advice on other board

[Zebo]

rev2

[jlccarv]

revision 2.1?

[Zebo]

It says rev 2.x on the box. where should I be placing memory?

[jlccarv]

look at the lower left corner of the board, the revision number should be printed there...

Try your memory in dimm slots 1 and 2, as your revision board maybe different to our revision 1.0's...

[Zebo]

I tried 1 and 2 and failed even at default speeds and less even 290FSB memsetting 133 = 192 and even failed 3-3-3:) 3 and 4 definity the way to go.


I can't see in lower left sorry. too much cables and pump waterlines and stuff.

[jlccarv]

OK, so even on revision 2.x, dimm slots 1 and 2 are still totally stuffed when using 2x512MB modules... great :rolleyes:

And the voltage monitoring of 3.3v and 12v is still absent!

[confuzzedintel]

so that means the vcore can be adjusted to 1.8V on the j?

[Zebo]

That would depend on the chip I'd imagine...

130nm 1.5 + .35 = 1.85

90nm 1.4 + .35 = 1.75

i'm not crazy enough to try it:P

[jlccarv]

so that means the vcore can be adjusted to 1.8V on the j?

Either that... or its available to all 2.x revision boards.

Its potenially available to all boards, as it is just a hidden menu in the 9NDA's BIOS. It just needs someone to mod a BIOS and test it...

[confuzzedintel]

wow thats a lot better voltage then i thought so now the only downside is the DDR voltage prob but if you have good tccd it wont be a prob it does 2.85 right? because that is what gskill and adata are rated for and those are the brands im looking to get.

[jlccarv]

Dude, the biggest downside is this boards inability to run 2x512MB sticks in dimm slots 1 and 2. TCCD seems to be affected quite badly, even when using dimm slots 3 and 4, according to Zebo's reports...

[Zebo]

Get ballistix PC3200 so I know if i should sell this TCCD.

[buff]

whats the highest HTT 3d stable?

[stevehat1]

whats the highest HTT 3d stable?
On my early board I've been to 325 NP
I'm usually @ FM, but I'm the guinea pig that tried the first vdimm and vcpu mods on this board, mongoose posted them here along with that edited picture with all the circles and red x's :lol:
Don't have a bunch of screenies, but did a 31 sec SuperPi @2.72 on an air cooled 3200+ Winny, hit Sandra mem @77xx (forget which ram...either 2x256 BH-5, or 2X512 3700EB, also managed a 32K 3DMK2K1 with an all stock X800XTPE. Score in sig
Pretty nice board, but went back to 8KDA3J and Clawhammer for 2K1 and everyday, ya gotta luv that 1m of L2 on the Claws;)
The 9NDA3/Winny is now a folding machine ATM :lol:

[Zebo]

here is a new unofficial beta bios md34b25 (http://www.aoaforums.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11177) :)


esoteradactyl what does this bios do? You make it? Also is it safe risk to flash J board with it?

[esoteradactyl]

esoteradactyl what does this bios do? You make it? Also is it safe risk to flash J board with it?

my board went up in smoke so i never had much of a chance to test it. blew one of the fet's right off the board! :mad:

[windwithme]

hey I think budget J has higher vcore available? up +.35 take a look

2.1???
GOOD :banana:

[Zebo]

2.1???
GOOD :banana:

Yes good and good price.. In USA 9nda3J is $40 cheaper than 9nda3+:)

[confuzzedintel]

so it is doing good then? have you tried the Vdimm mod? im realy thinking of getting one of these.

[stevehat1]

so it is doing good then? have you tried the Vdimm mod? im realy thinking of getting one of these.
Vdimm mod is easy and can be done with grabber to pin 6 and 25Kvr to ground. Actually it's the same vdimm mod as the 8KDA3 (s754) mobo also, I don't have any pics but if you can find Smokey's thread on the 8KDA3 or Mongoose's thread on the 9NDA3 you will find the pics :) Vcpu is the same also....pin 10 and 50Kvr to ground...just incase 2.1v isn't enough :lol:

[Zebo]

no, I don't do physical mods. 2.8Vdimm is good enough for TCCD. Good board? Maybe it's good. I like all it's options, high HTT and price.

I don't like no memory runs in slots 1 and 2. I tried TCCD and Buffalo with CH-5. All fail mem test 5 and 6 at default speed.

Works OK in 3 and 4 but no 1T above about 235-240 with any timmings. Even 3-4-4 1T will fail test #6... Sucks huh.:(

Maybe I just got a bad board? maybe we need bios update? maybe I don't know WTF I'm doing? I dunno...

gluck whatever you choose.:) ....I lean MSI at this point but $50 xtra is quite a price premium for us budget overclockers:)


Edit: currenty I'm running A64 3000@295 x 9, 3 HTT, memsetting 133.... meaning 197 Mhz mem 2-2-2 1T with 2.5 volts. 12 hours prime stable.

[stevehat1]

OCZ 3700EB is gold in this board! :toast: 2x256 BH-5 is good for 270+ :toast: ....but they require vdimm mods. The only tccd I tried was OCZ 3200 Rev2. and it was good to around 215 @2-2-2-5, then failed at higher clocks, even with relaxed timings.....but some guys say other tccd is good.
I couldn't tell the diff between slot 1&2 or 3&4 with the mem I tried

[Zebo]

OCZ 3700EB is gold in this board! :toast: 2x256 BH-5 is good for 270+ :toast: ....but they require vdimm mods. The only tccd I tried was OCZ 3200 Rev2. and it was good to around 215 @2-2-2-5, then failed at higher clocks, even with relaxed timings.....but some guys say other tccd is good.
I couldn't tell the diff between slot 1&2 or 3&4 with the mem I tried
Which board? J or + I am refering to J which has no bios update or any support as yet from EPOX

[stevehat1]

Which board? J or + I am refering to J which has no bios update or any support as yet from EPOX
+ board

[mcnbns]

So you can't use the 9NDA3+ BIOS on the 9NDA3J and just not use some of the features?

[amduser]

OCZ 3700EB is gold in this board! :toast: 2x256 BH-5 is good for 270+ :toast: ....but they require vdimm mods. The only tccd I tried was OCZ 3200 Rev2. and it was good to around 215 @2-2-2-5, then failed at higher clocks, even with relaxed timings.....but some guys say other tccd is good.
I couldn't tell the diff between slot 1&2 or 3&4 with the mem I tried

which bios? will be otherwise in big trouble or better say, loss like 100€ (*around 130$*). hm, r u sure there ist no way to get the tccd run better on the bord :stick: ?

[Zebo]

So you can't use the 9NDA3+ BIOS on the 9NDA3J and just not use some of the features?


EDIT: Update/. I flashed useing the plus bios inside DOS like tony told me (awdflash filename.bin /f) and still same mem problems. No 1T at high FSB with J...maybe I just got a bad board?... Anyway I flashed back to OEM J bios...

[Aldus]

I just got my 9NDA3J in the mail. The chipset on the board is 0445A2. This is the newest week Ive seen. Hopefully it will clock good. Wont be able to test it until christmas eve, but my 3200+ should be here tomorrow so Im hoping for a new week on that as well.

[IvanAndreevich]

Seems a good board. But it IS an epox so hence it has some drawbacks in the 1st revisions. 1&2 slots, low vdimm.. I betcha Rev 3.x or whatever will rock.

[Aldus]

vdimm and vcore will be fixed easily. Only being able to use 2 ram slots doesnt bother me. I only have 2x256mb BH-5 atm anyway. When I order my 2x512mb TCCD Ill still only need 2 slots. Do slots 1&2 have an advantage over 3&4 ?

[Zebo]

EP-3NDAJ Loves my new crucial ballistix. 2.5-2-2 240mhz @ 2.7Volts.

I finally got 1T working w/TCCD with + bios...but it seems a tad slower than ballistix.. see me thread here on all ram.

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=28&threadid=1475190&enterthread=y

[drunkenmaster]

got this board when it was released, my two slots closest to cpu( i assume they are 1 and 2) did 1t fine to mem limit(i think limit anyway, didn't use it for long) 280ish 2.5,3,3,7 and was fast as feck. I was pretty sure i tried the booster in it and its still working, but i was in a trying all boards i have all combo's phase deciding what to take to uni so could have it mixed up. Now in my home rig, had ballastixs in, needed a gig, tried my tccd, and bh-5, xp120 so two furthest slots and i'm barely stable above 200Mhz 205 crashed on me last night. can't run 1t even at 200mhz with tccd or bh-5.

[varzmaster]

Wasn't the booster "supposed" to kill this board if used? I know the 9NDA uses the 5V rail for Vdimm.

[amduser]

OCZ 3700EB is gold in this board! :toast: 2x256 BH-5 is good for 270+ :toast: ....but they require vdimm mods. The only tccd I tried was OCZ 3200 Rev2. and it was good to around 215 @2-2-2-5, then failed at higher clocks, even with relaxed timings.....but some guys say other tccd is good.
I couldn't tell the diff between slot 1&2 or 3&4 with the mem I tried

got the bord yesterday. so i must say that mine ocz platinium run up to 279mhz by 2,5 4 3 10 and 1t, not that good but it is a liddle bit strange that yours only go up to 215 :confused: .

[socrilles]

Sorry kinda new to the athlon64 OC front...but when u guys are getting the high HTT speeds are these at 1t or 2t? I can get my epox up to 330 HTT at 1T and haven't tried 2t (doing this with a 3000+, 8*330 at 2.64 ghz)

Also what is considdered safe temps for these athlon64's? With my prescott I would get up close to 70 C and this was OK, and with the 64 I'm at 51 C under full load (prime95)

[tbonekot]

my GEIL UltraX runs great on this board
they make 278 with Cl2,5-4-3-5 1T@2,7V
But i got many erros@2,8V

[tbonekot]

So I test a little bit
http://www.forumdeluxx.de/gallery/data/500/10173geil.JPG
It is normal that the Vdimm undervolted so high?

[Adasi]

Does this mobo have any problems with sub zero temps?

Im still thinking of getting neo2/EP-9NDA3+. Many of you said that epox is better but i need to know how are the temps... thx

[mikead_99]

@ tbonekot: I can't speak for all of these boards, but on mine bios and usdm report VDimm about .1V lower then what I measure with a DMM.

@ Adasi: Regarding sub-zero, I haven't heard of issues with these and sub-zero, and I know I am running fine with an LS, but then I don't have a Winny, and I ran the same chip on an MSI fine too, only Mach 1 on that board though. It does not report sub temps correctly though, not 40 - 50C like the MSI, more like 20C but still a good ways off from what it really is.

And to add to the memory pile of info: 2x256 BH-5 to 270+ here too, only in slots 3-4 though. VX to 265, same slots, hoping to see higher after burn-in. OCZ 4200ELPT (TCCD) only good for 270, only tried slots 1-2, but took those out to play with low latency mem pretty quickly and will have to go back and try both pairs of slots sometime. Overall, I love this board compared to the MSI. LDT4x with 270 HTT has been bullet-proof too. The bios options are pretty limited, but it does clock very nicely.

[windwithme]

9NDA3J 2.1 Test
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50425

[Adasi]

mikead 99 - thx for responding, hope my winnie will work....

Just received my mobo, it's rev2.1 and the bridge looks quite new too. :)

[Adasi]

Do you guys have issues with 166 asynchro mode? Sometimes I cannot boot with memory set at 166/133 and sometimes it's very unstable.
I even flashed my bios to the newest from epox site but it doesn't help :(

My 166 synchro mode ends at htt280
133 ends at ~300
Over 300 i have to use 100 mode which pisses me of a little...

Ps. Sorry for double post.

[SpiderMAN]

Hello there... :DI have a little question about temperatures on Watercooled systems based on 9NDA3+, what temps do you have guys...
My is terrible, maybe bacause i have waterblock not designed for a bick eggs :P (Big Cor with heatspreader ;))
i have 68C Load after few hours of calculating UD, and idle about 45C.
Config is in the signature :P
Thermal paste is Arctic Silver 5 :P
WTF?

[navahoo]

after i did the vdimm mod of tony, how do i see how much voltage is given to the rams? :confused:

[saaya]

you can meassure it in the memory slots themselves :)
there are tiny holes in the dimm slots, stick your multimeter needle into those holes carefully, some read ground, some read vtt and some read vdimm :)