DDR594 : 2-2-2-10 : Dual Channel : OCZ VX OWNS YOU!!!

[conrad.maranan]

Winchester memory controllers suck butt! I've said it too many times, but I just can't seem to say it enough. I proved it with my retail chip. I proved it again with my friend's OEM 3000+. And I'll prove it again once AMD authorizes my RMA and ships me a new unit. All gripes aside, let's move on to the good stuff.

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Socket 939 CPU with a crap memory controller: $150
OCZ DDR Booster, which just so happens to be my third in a month: $40
OCZ EL PC-3200 VX 2x512MB Kit that I stressed over on 11/30/2004: Freakin' priceless!

There are some things that money can't buy. For everything else, there's a 12-pack of Heineken in the fridge. :D

http://webpages.charter.net/conrad-digital/VX/DDR594OCZVXDUALCHANNEL.png

I'll be back in an hour or so with a Memtest screenshot.

[macci]

Too bad that the mem aint' running anywhere near 297 there.. 4x multi is something you dont want to use for mem testing.. (BH5 has been up to '366' w/ 4x multi and 2-2-2-5).

Use 6x and see where u get :)

[craig588]

The 4X multi acctually gives it a 5X divider, right?

EDIT: I was too slow.

[DevilsRejection]

can't wait for my retail 3500+, 297 :toast: i want to hit 250 or 260 at 2-2-2-10 1T and i will be happy.

Whats the max setting you could do with 1T?

[Playful_Buffalo]

whats the speed then?

GJ conrad

[Torin]

volts?

[craig588]

It looks to be around an actuall 237MHz, nothing too impressive.

[cuddles]

1188 Mhz?

[mackanz]

Conrad,

I think you will be dissapointed when you see the bandwidth. As far as i know, you are only running at 198 or 199 htt.

[JDizzle]

Your ram is actually at 237mhz. Did you pass out after that 12 pack of Heineken. When you wake up and realize the speed you're really running you're going to need another 12 pack of Heineken :toast: .

[Geforce4ti4200]

try again but use the 5x multi. the 4x dividers by 5 so it doesnt count

[conrad.maranan]

You guys are absolutely right. A 4 multiplier is equivalent to 4/5. 237.6MHz is very disappointing...hahaha!

The more I bump up my HTT, the more I have to drop multipliers. I'll try 5 right now since that'll make it 1/1.

I'm so embarassed...hahaha! :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

I made the same mistake and bragged how my corsair value did 300x4 at 1:1 when the ram was really at 240 :D

[bias_hjorth]

Its okay. Even the greatest are allowed mistakes :)

* edit: Geforceti4200 = Are you sure It was only the 300mhz brag we heard much about?

[conrad.maranan]

I can't get any higher than 265MHz with a 5 multiplier. Oh well.

Anyway, this thread is going down in history as the most embarassing moment in my online life. I got so carried away just dropping the CPU multipliers so I can raise the HTT and it totally slipped my mind that in order to run 1/1, you need to use a 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and so on. I even posted about this last night, but the excitement just carried me away.

Well, I'll drink another beer and laugh it off when my wife gets home. :D

[kakaroto]

When I saw the topic, i thought another BH5 owner?? :D

VX is doing fine with 3.2 to 240-250Mhz CAS2. great mem indeed!

[DevilsRejection]

wait so let me get this straight, in order to run 1:1 your multiplyer needs ot be a multiple of 5?

[bias_hjorth]

No in order to run 1:1 you cant select the 4x or .5 multi´s

[DevilsRejection]

oh ok, thats what i figured.

[STEvil]

lol :D

[conrad.maranan]

Here's something I should keep in front of my display at all times:
http://oskarwu.myweb.hinet.net/A64Divider.jpg

Look, Mom. I'm famous. 260+ page views in just over 2 hours. I could be a dork about this whole thing and just delete my post. But I'll be a good sport, ride it out, and laugh with you all. Let this be a lesson to you, gentlemen. Don't let the excitement get the best of you and DO NOT POST when your excitement levels are at an all time high. :D

To err is human. Stay tuned. I just might do DDR812 with my VX in dual channel next month. :slobber:

[conrad.maranan]

Indeed, it would be sweet. When I started looping Memtest and noticed that it made it through 15 passes of Test #5, I turned on my other computer and started shopping for an FX-55. I was seriously going to drop a good $870 today out of impulse - all because the excitement got the best of me.
:banana4:

[aCidbAbY]

I can't get any higher than 265MHz with a 5 multiplier. Oh well.

Anyway, this thread is going down in history as the most embarassing moment in my online life. I got so carried away just dropping the CPU multipliers so I can raise the HTT and it totally slipped my mind that in order to run 1/1, you need to use a 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, and so on. I even posted about this last night, but the excitement just carried me away.

Well, I'll drink another beer and laugh it off when my wife gets home. :D
:wave: its cool mang that clock is still high as sh!k :toast:

[eshbach]

even if it does do 297, BH5 still wins:

http://img7.exs.cx/img7/1013/1c-random009.jpg

[conrad.maranan]

eshbach - Now that...is amazing. :toast:

[bacon]

lets post his screenie on the cpuz verification sticky ;)

lol joking i belive you and that is incredible, did they manage a sandra benchy at that at all?

[blinky]

Here's something I should keep in front of my display at all times:
[IMG]http://oskarwu.myweb.hinet.net/A64Divider.jpg/IMG]

Look, Mom. I'm famous. 260+ page views in just over 2 hours. I could be a dork about this whole thing and just delete my post. But I'll be a good sport, ride it out, and laugh with you all. Let this be a lesson to you, gentlemen. Don't let the excitement get the best of you and DO NOT POST when your excitement levels are at an all time high. :D

To err is human. Stay tuned. I just might do DDR812 with my VX in dual channel next month. :slobber:its okay because your sig is so true

[charlie]

lol.... and what's up with your vendetta against Winchester? Mine was great, reliable and stable north of 290, 1:1.....

C

[conrad.maranan]

To compensate for my sadness, my impulses dictated to my physical being that a purchase must be made. An order for a Retail 3500+ Winchester was placed with mWave (http://www.mwave.com) several moments ago. Hopefully, the leprechauns will be merciful and sprinkle a few spoonfuls of Lucky Charms on the CPU that I so love to hate. Tomorrow (Thursday at the latest) will bring forth yet another 10.5 mile trip to the doors of mWave's Will Call Department.

Please be merciful, you damn leprechauns! :upset: I just want a decent CPU that will be able to push my memory to new heights without having to drop the freakin' multiplier.

EDIT:
charlie - The Force was with your chip. We have never seen another capable of doing similar on air in recent times. ;)

[bacon]

To compensate for my sadness, my impulses dictated to my physical being that a purchase must be made. An order for a Retail 3500+ Winchester was placed with mWave (http://www.mwave.com) several moments ago. Hopefully, the leprechauns will be merciful and sprinkle a few spoonfuls of Lucky Charms on the CPU that I so love to hate. Tomorrow (Thursday at the latest) will bring forth yet another 10.5 mile trip to the doors of mWave's Will Call Department.

Please be merciful, you damn leprechauns! :upset: I just want a decent CPU that will be able to push my memory to new heights without having to drop the freakin' multiplier.

EDIT:
charlie - The Force was with your chip. We have never seen another capable of doing similar on air in recent times. ;)

ditto mate, im not sure whats guna replace the current cpu, im thinking of another 3500NC but winchesters are still luring me in (3200 again as its cheap, but with VX seems a little pointless)

[Torin]

even if it does do 297, BH5 still wins

1x256mb isnt a really good comparison for 2x512mb....

[trans am]

Your ram is actually at 237mhz. Did you pass out after that 12 pack of Heineken. When you wake up and realize the speed you're really running you're going to need another 12 pack of Heineken :toast: .

LMFAO!! :rotf: :bounces: :rotf: :bounces: :rotf: :bounces: :rotf: :bounces:

It's alright COnrad, Man I have bad news too, my girlfriend called me today and said the system just randomly rebooted. I had the el4200 in at 275x10 1:1 and I came home and memtested at 270 and got tons of errors. I tried lowering and still errors. I reset cmos and ddr booster and tried again, windows would get windows corrupted error before welcome screen. Then I swapped to the PDP tccd and tried, same thing happened. THen I set it at 2-2-2-10 200 1:1 and passed memtest 5. I thought cpu controller was finished from running ddr booster all weekend with the VX. Now I'm at stock speeds until I can get this figured out. how can a Prime stable overclock at 2.7 go to stock speeds after 2 days of Glory? I pray to the overclock Gods this will end soon. If I killed the Leprechaun I will just die.

[WiCKeD]

To compensate for my sadness, my impulses dictated to my physical being that a purchase must be made. An order for a Retail 3500+ Winchester was placed with mWave (http://www.mwave.com) several moments ago. Hopefully, the leprechauns will be merciful and sprinkle a few spoonfuls of Lucky Charms on the CPU that I so love to hate.
Hmm... I am not sure how good of a thermal conductor marshmallows are, but it's worth a try... Wish you some magically delicious good times! Hazaa! :YIPPIE:

[conrad.maranan]

Alvin's clownin' me. Man, you're supposed to show some sympathy. Or at least pray for the new CPU that I'm picking up. :worship:

[trans am]

Read my post agin, I added some sympathy and my current OC problems. I will Pray to the Overclock gods before I go to bed that the person in the mwave warehouse picks a Leprechaun just for you.
If the 3500+ has a Leprechaun in the plastic thing that holds the cpu in place in the retail box. The ones with Leprechauns will fly up to 2.8ghz on pixie dust, but the real test is done by the Ice gods. The Ice gods have problems with the winchesters, because of the mystical silicon which lies within the fairy ring. I would try to obtain the silicon rod from the great mountain of winchester and maybe you will prosper in fullfilling your quest to harness the Leprechaun.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19617

[DevilsRejection]

Alvin's clownin' me. Man, you're supposed to show some sympathy. Or at least pray for the new CPU that I'm picking up. :worship:
why dont you wait for newegg on friday when it restocks with new retail procs

[aCidbAbY]

roflmfao man that story kills me everytime trans_Am

[DevilsRejection]

first time i read it, im falling out of my chair

[conrad.maranan]

why dont you wait for newegg on friday when it restocks with new retail procs
mWave got new stock yesterday, according to Cecilia at the front counter. Don't get me excited now because you know what happens when I get excited. For a moment, I thought you meant that Newegg will have the new revision on Friday. :p:

[conrad.maranan]

Read my post agin, I added some sympathy and my current OC problems. I will Pray to the Overclock gods before I go to bed that the person in the mwave warehouse picks a Leprechaun just for you.
If the 3500+ has a Leprechaun in the plastic thing that holds the cpu in place in the retail box. The ones with Leprechauns will fly up to 2.8ghz on pixie dust, but the real test is done by the Ice gods. The Ice gods have problems with the winchesters, because of the mystical silicon which lies within the fairy ring. I would try to obtain the silicon rod from the great mountain of winchester and maybe you will prosper in fullfilling your quest to harness the Leprechaun.
:lol: Dude. That photo always gets me. The Ice Gods have already led me to chilly1, a demi-Ice God. He will provide a solution not for the Winchesters that have been cursed, but for the FX-55 almighty that is mature and wise.

EDIT:
I'm tellin' you, man. Something about these 90nm chips is just strange. I used to get some pretty decent CPU and memory clocks when I first bought the CPU and mated it with my Platinum Deuces. Over time, it just started going downhill. I'm a fool for buying another Winchester, but my urges are hard to fight off at this point.

[DevilsRejection]

I bet you it is a new week atleast, newegg always gets the latest stuff, you and I both know ;)

if you got AIM then IM me at DevilsRejection so we can argue weather you order now or wait for newegg hehe.

[aCidbAbY]

good luck conrad!

[conrad.maranan]

As always, I wish everyone good luck as well.

Who knows who gets the latter weeks first? It can be anyone. When I bought my Week 39 on November 11th, people were still hyped over Newegg having Week 37s in stock. It can be pretty random. Honestly, I don't care about the week. I just want a good CPU that can handle what my RAM is willing to put out. ;)

[aCidbAbY]

same here

you know what really gets me?, that there are so many golden chips and sticks out there that are going to waste:( due to people haveing no clue what they are holding

[trans am]

I think something seriously happened to the Leprechaun. Now it won't even boot into windows at anything over stock regardless of vcore and it's barely stable. Mem is 100% fine. I think this one is finished and who knows if monarch will even take it back? It's oem and I didn't get a warranty. And who knows when new winnie stepping is coming out. I heard January, but that seems a long way down the road.

[conrad.maranan]

Screw it. Just but another one. Hahaha. My new game plan is to not send in my 3000+ until the next wave of 90nm CPUs come out, whenever that is. After I receive the replacement for the 3000+, I'll RMA the 3500+ for a new one. I'll sell both CPUs unopened and brand new to offset the cost of my FX-55. :D

If you can find a 130nm 939 for a good price, it's worth a shot. If you're patient, you'll wait. I certainly can't.

[trans am]

well I just emailed monarch about this and I placed the order on 11/19 so I am still within 30 days. Normally I would not do this, but I feel rma can be justified in this case. Cpu barely stable at stock....I just hope it's not the board. If it is, that will be 3 faulty 939 boards in a row!!!

[conrad.maranan]

When all else fails, just read my signature, take a deep breath, and go watch some television with a cold one in hand.
:toast:
There's more to life than just overclocking. I just haven't quite figured it out yet. ;)

EDIT:
I hope this doesn't make you feel any worse.
What we’re looking at here is that the 90nm SOI process developed by AMD and IBM runs into a similar set of problems as Intel has. At some point the processor needs to be fed with a higher voltage to enable higher clockspeeds but due to the higher voltage starts leaking power which significantly increases its heat production. That is exactly why IBM fails to ship 3GHz PowerPC processors to Apple, the heat production would simply be too much to properly manage. But there’s more, at these higher voltages the maximum POH, power on hours, of the processor is cut by a significant margin, at a 1.3-volts core voltage it is cut to <50.000 hours, whereas at 1.2-volts it is 100.000 hours. Of course PowerPC processors are not to be compared directly to Athlons, but the process technology used is the same, so the same can be applied to them, explaining exactly why AMD has yet to introduce faster processors based on the 90nm process. - link (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=625091#post625091)

EDIT #2:
I doubt that's 50 hours and 100 hours, but more like 50,000 and 100,000 hours. But I just found it sad considering you've only been playing for less than 100 hours. On a related note, I only played with my VX for about 48 hours before the sun went down on my chip for good.

[conrad.maranan]

Maybe I should just play it safe and buy a Newcastle (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-460&depa=1).

EDIT:
Can someone please confirm that AW was the final revision for the Newcastle?

[Ref]

Can someone please confirm that AW was the final revision for the Newcastle?
It is the final revision of 939 newcastle.

[conrad.maranan]

Thanks, Ref. I just wanted to make sure.

[aCidbAbY]

what kind of numbers are people getting with the NC?

[trans am]

what kind of numbers are people getting with the NC?


I think the newcastles overclock like Average winchesters. It's just that they are less likely to fail during -0 temps and they don't fail prime 95 at stock speeds.

[conrad.maranan]

I'm not too sure. I just never hear them complaining too much about anything so it might be worth a shot. I'm so confused. :confused:

[trans am]

I'm not too sure. I just never hear them complaining too much about anything so it might be worth a shot. I'm so confused. :confused:

I would say get a newcastle 3500+ if you are going phase change soon.
1. It is less likely to have -0 issues.
2. 11 multi
or this? http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-503&depa=1

[Playful_Buffalo]

1660 views...LOL

[del_fuego]

and rising fast....

[conrad.maranan]

1660 views...LOL
and rising fast....
What can I say? I'm just as famous as I am notorious. :D

I've given some serious thought into my abrupt decisions to purchase another processor. I'm not going to go through with it right now. I'll just hold off until late-January/early-February when I get my box from chilly1. FX-55 is the only way for me to go, especially after seeing Onepagebook's project (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47501). This was my original plan and I'd be much better off sticking to it.

[DevilsRejection]

I'm waiting for ati's sli chipset the bullhead which according to every online preview, the non-production board was OCing higher than nforce 4 :D so your going to have a lot of things to think about conrad!

hell by then the fx's will be all 90nm, an article at the register came out today saying opterons have just switched to 90nm so that means the athlon fx's wont be too far away!

goodluck with your project, can't wait to see it!

:toast:

[FallenAngel]

I'm with Devils

[DevilsRejection]

I'm with Devils
yea man second half of 05 will be crazy when dual core comes out! :banana:

[FallenAngel]

yea man second half of 05 will be crazy when dual core comes out! :banana:
I'm anxious for that too

[bugsy]

Duak-core, dual-cpu, dual-gpu sli.... :slobber:

next year gonna be awesome...! :p:

[benji]

what's the difference between a Winchester and a Newcastle?

[FallenAngel]

what's the difference between a Winchester and a Newcastle?
If you didn't find an answer to your question in this awsome site that is really EXTREME and I'm sure if you read all this thread you'll find your answer, otherwise you can try these links:

xbit labs (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/)
Anandtech (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2242) I recommend this one

try hardocp too

[Torin]

Duak-core, dual-cpu, dual-gpu sli.... :slobber:

next year gonna be awesome...! :p:

dual-core gpu, dual-gpu sli :D

[vapourit]

dual-core gpu, dual-gpu sli :D

dual paycheck :(

[bacon]

What can I say? I'm just as famous as I am notorious. :D

I've given some serious thought into my abrupt decisions to purchase another processor. I'm not going to go through with it right now. I'll just hold off until late-January/early-February when I get my box from chilly1. FX-55 is the only way for me to go, especially after seeing Onepagebook's project (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=47501). This was my original plan and I'd be much better off sticking to it.

iv taken order of a 3500NC should be here tomorrow to replace this NC :)

i cudnt stand the 3200 winny not liking my 1:1 clocks and prime failure so got rid

[trans am]

dual paycheck :(

LMFAO!

[Hallowed]

dual paycheck :(

So well said. :D

[enzoR]

lmao!

[DevilsRejection]

i blew 650 on an agp x800xtpe about a month ago, im saving up 3g's for the next big thing, sli, dual core, and serial attached scsi

CAN YOU SAY RAID 0 15000 RPM HARD DRIVES

[Evil_Spork]

the record is 310mhz 2-2-2-5 on an 875 ic7-g. it took 4.1v if i recall.

i cant for the life of me recall WHO though. one of the XS regulars.

edit: wrong thread :stick:

[bias_hjorth]

It was Randi using a half multi .- At the time we didnt knew better and found it very stunning - He was using OCz memory.

[Evil_Spork]

It was Randi using a half multi .- At the time we didnt knew better and found it very stunning - He was using OCz memory.
it indeed was ocz bh5.. but i dont think it was randi :confused:

and it was on intel so a half multi couldnt have been used. ;)

[aCidbAbY]

holy Thread Revival Batman!

[conrad.maranan]

holy Thread Revival Batman!
It seems like this happened such a long time ago, but it was actually only 3 months ago. I think this thread was resurrected because I made a link to it yesterday over here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=53848).

I've since cut down on my alcohol consumption in an effort to avoid these things from happening on a regular basis. :p:

[MaxxxRacer]

conrad, i just saw this thread and busted up laughing

you got owned by the 4x multi.. funny stuff.

im getting a new winnie3k in 7 days and i hope it doesnt suck like alot of the recent ones ive seen. hopefuly it does as good or better than the one i murdered.