P4 570J E0 arrived

[The Stilt]

My new toy arrived in the noon today :D

It´s Malaysian 570J (3.8GHz) cpu from week 38, and best of all its E0 stepping.

The box (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/SL82U.jpg)


After quick testing it could run SuperPi at 4522MHz (19x238) with stock heatsink and fan (running at full speed) after setting 1.45V from bios :D

Too bad that macci took my KHX sticks with him to München, so I cant run any proper benches until wendsday. Dammit :(

[FX Freak]

what does macci in münchen(germany)?

[The Stilt]

what does macci in münchen(germany)?

You will find it out tomorrow ;)

[DanIdentity]

Sweet!

That's an SL82U, it supports EM64T. :slobber:

I wish I could find an E0 in the states. :(

[The Stilt]

Sweet!

That's an SL82U, it supports EM64T. :slobber:

I wish I could find an E0 in the states. :(

Thanks, but this chips doesn´t support EM64T :)

[eva2000]

4.5ghz stock ! :eek: bloody nice!

[The Stilt]

4.5ghz stock ! :eek: bloody nice!

Could have done better:

http://www.geocities.jp/rya_men2001/pi/P4_570j_4704_pi838.gif (copy & paste to new window). And thats on air too :D

[eva2000]

how much was it ? the 570J started showing here but AUD$935-1000ish which compared to AMD64 4000+ ($1000), FX-53 ($1250-1450), and FX-55 ($1400-1700)

EDIT: i see it's an ES cpu lol

[jjcom]

I believe that all 3.8ghz Prescotts are E0, so once newegg gets 'em in, us Americans can get them :D

[DanIdentity]

Thanks, but this chips doesn´t support EM64T :)

Hmmm according to this Intel document it does.
http://developer.intel.com/design/pentium4/specupdt/30235208.pdf

Is there any way of checking? Will CPUZ show it?

[cpulloverclock]

Clock(MHz):4813.2Mhz
Date: 04/11/21
CPU:P4-570J (SL82U L438A797)
Vcore:1.6V
冷却方法:Thermaltake Tower112+DELTA8cm
M/B:ABIT AA8-3rd Eye
Memory: PC2-4300 256MB x2
OS:Sever 2003
コメント:よく廻る石ですね～
証拠画像:
http://blue.ap.teacup.com/bochibochi/img/1101118099.jpg




Clock(MHz)：4661.2Mhz(245.3X19倍）
CPU/S-spec（ロット情報）：P4-570J SL82U L438A797
冷却：Thermaltake Tower112+DELTA8cm
Vcore(V)：1.6（設定）
M/B(Chip Set)：ABIT AA8-3rd Eye(i925X)
Memory：PC2-4300 256MB x2
Vddr(V)：2.10V
HDD：Seagate ST3160827AS
OS：Server 2003
Date：2004/11/21
Coment：E0良いです
証拠画像:
http://blue.ap.teacup.com/bochibochi/img/1101118110.jpg

http://blue.ap.teacup.com/bochibochi/img/1101118084.jpg

http://blue.ap.teacup.com/bochibochi/img/1101118122.jpg

[Mathias-K]

4500MHz ON AIR, and you aren't really impressed? You are really extreme :D

Has this and the trip to Germany something to do with the ace Macci mentioned ealier? :)

[jjcom]

...mmmm....4.5ghz on AIR :eek: wonder what those things would do under water or chilled water....I'm just waiting for someone to get 5ghz on water some day...I don't think that will happen yet, but after seeing those screen shots...what ever your doing over in Germany or where ever let us know when your done!

[Kunaak]

it's kinda hard to be impressed with only a 700 mhz OC, especially for a P4.
but the shots do show some incredible potential for sub zero, and LN2 :D

[jjcom]

yeah but you have to look at it from this point of view, its the highest clocked stock Prescott around, 3.8ghz is all the farther Intel is taking there P4. So Intel won't be looking into ways to make that chip clock anyfarther. It seems that basicly most of the Intel's research teams are working on dual core, so little work will be done here.

[Kunaak]

but it's still only 700 mhz.

if you had a 4.0 ghz P4, would you be stoked that it was doing 4.4 ghz stable?
I wouldn't.
4.5 ghz just isn't that much these days.
people have been breaking 5 ghz on phase change for quite a while now.
6 ghz is the new 5 ghz.
thats what makes 4.5 ghz kinda small these days.
it's good and all.
its just not the same as when you use to get a 2.4C and get 3.6 ghz out of it easy.
but these definatly are the last of the breed, so it's nice to see some numbers outta them, but I am more interested in what it does under better cooling.

if a 3.6 can get 6.3 ghz, what in the world will this thing do?
thats what I can't wait to see ;)

[pik-ard v1.1]

i'd like to see some 5-5.5ghz 3dmark runs... we've seen superpi runs up to 5.7ghz, lets see some 3d runs. ;)


6 ghz is the new 5 ghz.
how true, and 5ghz is the new 4ghz... being do-able with -40C, as opposed to having to have ln2.

[jjcom]

yep
time goes on, but remember that you just said phase change, doing 5ghz and this is only air doing 4.5ghz so still it ain't that bad...

[The Stilt]

how much was it ?

Street price in Finland is currently 890$ (USD) or ~ 640€. Availability is quite good (7 pieces in stock) :D.

[eva2000]

but it's still only 700 mhz.

if you had a 4.0 ghz P4, would you be stoked that it was doing 4.4 ghz stable?
I wouldn't.
4.5 ghz just isn't that much these days.
people have been breaking 5 ghz on phase change for quite a while now.
6 ghz is the new 5 ghz.
thats what makes 4.5 ghz kinda small these days.
it's good and all.
its just not the same as when you use to get a 2.4C and get 3.6 ghz out of it easy.
but these definatly are the last of the breed, so it's nice to see some numbers outta them, but I am more interested in what it does under better cooling.

if a 3.6 can get 6.3 ghz, what in the world will this thing do?
thats what I can't wait to see ;)
that's generally how it goes.. higher the rating cpu usually on average means a higher average max stable oc (disregarding phase change cooling)

[$0m#0n#]

I wanna see what ll it do with Phase Change :slobber:

[burnout]

macci is in munich... yeah, allways wanted to get to know him :D

munich... what could be... well, we have Intel and ATI here.... ATI sound better to me, due to the x850 release....

back to topic: very nice, these are real beasts...

[crotale]

Come on The Stilt! More clues on what Macci is doing :cool:

[Gk22CoE]

will this E0 stepping be only for the 775 package?

[death metal]

macci, come out come out wherever you are :):):)

[Mauri Antero]

Street price in Finland is currently 890$ (USD) or ~ 640€. Availability is quite good (7 pieces in stock) :D.

Damn and I bought P4 560 on Saturday from you, why didn't you said when I called you that you get also those on Monday. :mad: ;) P4 560 only 4400Mhz wih air and 1.63V core.

[uclajd]

will this E0 stepping be only for the 775 package? Nope, 478s have E0:
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL7PP&ProcFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL7KD&ProcFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL
http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/details.asp?sSpec=SL7PN&ProcFam=483&PkgType=ALL&SysBusSpd=ALL&CorSpd=ALL

[perkam]

They probably invited him out to test the new X850 or something lol :p: , Macci that is

[Bennah]

Yea probably.

The Stilt, Im sure you got some other 'good' sticks off khx around your box of tricks so you can get some good benchies from the P4 3.8 :D

[FX Freak]

and what does macci in münchen? :D

[The Stilt]

Couldnt wait anymore, so bolted the chip to Abit AA8 :(

All I can say that DDR2 really sucks :)

After replacing the stock fan with 80mm Delta, I could run SuperPi 1M through almost 100MHz higher clocks, with same voltage and heatsink :D


Let´s just say that macci has been asked to München by ATI ;)

[crotale]

We knew you couldn't wait =)

Pics of the setup?

[SteveOCZ]

Hmm maybe I'll be comming up to Finland to get me a new cpu soon

[The Stilt]

Hmm maybe I'll be comming up to Finland to get me a new cpu soon

You´re very welcome :D

[caater]

You´re very welcome :D

any info on the other e0's? verkkokauppa is showing that 3ghz e0 will be available @ 27.11 and the other ones at the beginning of december..
no word of mobile p4 3.33ghz e0 though.. want my 14-25x mults for socket478 :rolleyes:

[death metal]

stilt, nice OC on air!!!!!!!!! so when it's gonna be "cooled" down for some more benching?

macci...today is already 'tomorrow', so where are you? :)

[perkam]

macci...today is already 'tomorrow', so where are you?

Quote from Inquirer:


WE INFORMED you yesterday about ATI's 0.11µm/110 nanometre marchitecture X800 cards and it's time to finish the story. We want to do it before the Muenchen briefing begins

And Macci seems to be somewhere in Muenchen, take a WILD guess at where hed be !! :p: :p:

Perkam

[jjcom]

lol, I'll take a WILD guess! Finland! lol

110nm ATi chips....sounds nice...when's 90nm? :D

jjcom

[death metal]

perkam, that's a conspiracy theory ahaha...good stuff...we wanna see maccie again hitting really nice stuff!!!! bring on the benchies!!


Quote from Inquirer:


And Macci seems to be somewhere in Muenchen, take a WILD guess at where hed be !! :p: :p:

Perkam

[The Stilt]

any info on the other e0's? verkkokauppa is showing that 3ghz e0 will be available @ 27.11 and the other ones at the beginning of december..
no word of mobile p4 3.33ghz e0 though.. want my 14-25x mults for socket478 :rolleyes:


P4 "J" current status:

520J - Order
530J - Order
530J (BTX) - Order
540J - 11/30/04
550J - Order
550J (BTX) - Order
560J - 11/25/04
560J (BTX) - Order
570J - IN STOCK

[Verdict]

P4 "J" current status:

520J - Order
530J - Order
530J (BTX) - Order
540J - 11/30/04
550J - Order
550J (BTX) - Order
560J - 11/25/04
560J (BTX) - Order
570J - IN STOCK

were, SMG?

[perkam]

were, SMG?

At Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-190&DEPA=0

At Nextag:
http://www.nextag.com/buyer/productm.jsp?nxtg=c367e_38F709A375B4AEFF&product=63979054

Just some of the many places. Enjoy.

Perkam

[Anemone]

If I understand the Intel documents correcty, and they are vague so I could be wrong, you'll need a 925XE board to have any use of EM64T on the 775 socket. So to test whether it's capable you'd have to at least have that chipset.

I'm quite impressed with what we're seeing on air however.

Also note that while Intel won't be pushing these things to higher clocks, they have been slowly improving the process under the chip, thus getting cooler and cooler running chips at the clocks they already have. So, for those of us who push chips, you may yet see improvements that will come primarily from improvements in the production process rather than design improvements. It has also been known in the past for manufacturing to issue "please add this improvement please" memo's to design to change design because that will improve the overall chip. Ok that was confusing, but basically manufacturing has often found improvements that were never found by design, and thus changes are still possible, just not AS likely. Bear in mind there were no significant design changes to the P3, yet for years the P3-M's kept getting faster and better. Given the ceiling that appears to have been hit on P4's and clockspeed, I'm not expecting huge improvements, but there are bound to be some.

Be kind of funny to see people hitting 5ghz on air in 2005... wouldn't it?

$.02
:)

[iljs]

wow, crazy air clock.

[The Stilt]

were, SMG?

Nope, no Finnish distributor has any J models in stock ;)

Just ran few 8M SuperPI´s at 4.8GHz / 1.4V with R404 Mach2, with awful contact (only one corner of evaporator touched hs).

[Donnie27]

Hmmm according to this Intel document it does.
http://developer.intel.com/design/pentium4/specupdt/30235208.pdf

Is there any way of checking? Will CPUZ show it?

No it doesn't. The one that support x86-64 are named ending F.

http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/processors/pentium4/index.htm

Clock speed supporting Extended Memory 64 Technology NA 3.20F, 3.40F, and 3.60F NA As of now, there's not even a 3.8GHz F model listed.

Donnie

[caater]

Nope, no Finnish distributor has any J models in stock ;)


well.. throw us a bone here pls then :)
i live 80kms from finland.. might as well drop by and grab one e0 :D

[The Stilt]

well.. throw us a bone here pls then :)
i live 80kms from finland.. might as well drop by and grab one e0 :D

Send me email, if you need one :D

[uclajd]

I'd like to hear how 478 E0s are performing...

[Kunaak]

I'd like to hear how 478 E0s are performing...

wrong topic for that.
start a new topic if you wanna talk about 478 EO's.
this is for the 775 3.8.

on a side note.

what does the J stand for?
unlocked or something is what I got from the Inquirer.nets information from it.

[jjcom]

Its got that NX bit added I believe...

jjcom

[death metal]

yep

[perkam]

Last time I checked, some of the Js also had EM64T enabled...though those are VERY rare.

Perkam

[uclajd]

wrong topic for that.
start a new topic if you wanna talk about 478 EO's.
this is for the 775 3.8. Was this really necessary? Give me a break. :rolleyes:

[DanIdentity]

wrong topic for that.
start a new topic if you wanna talk about 478 EO's.
this is for the 775 3.8.

on a side note.

what does the J stand for?
unlocked or something is what I got from the Inquirer.nets information from it.

The J means it's an E0 stepping. For example:

Pentium 560 = 3.6 GHz D0
Pentium 560J = 3.6 GHz E0

[Kunaak]

Was this really necessary? Give me a break. :rolleyes:

give me a break cause you know this isn't your topic, and it's not about 478 CPU's, your trying to make it about it.

if you want to talk about them, start a topic about it, stop trying to hijack someone elses topic.

[uclajd]

give me a break cause you know this isn't your topic, and it's not about 478 CPU's, your trying to make it about it.

if you want to talk about them, start a topic about it, stop trying to hijack someone elses topic. "E0" is in the subject heading. I believe the point is latest stepping, 64 compatibility. Jeez, it's not like I was talking about Athlons! :rolleyes:

[The Stilt]

Re-attached that darn evaporator, and the contact is now better than before :D It still way from perfect, but light years from what it was...

Breaking 5GHz (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/5065MHz.PNG) with single stage compressor took only 1.475V.

CPU-Z Verified (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/cfc.PNG)

SuperPI went through at 4946MHz (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/SPI1M-4946MHz.PNG) with 1.45V only.

Setup (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/Setup.jpg)

Notice that ammo box under the hardware, 7,62mm one size fits all ;)

Noticed a strange thing when I measured vcore from mosfets.
When vcore is set to 1.475V from bios, I got 1.23V reading from every single mosfet from cpu power regulation. When vcore is set to 1.4V the reading is
1.17V :confused: Is that caused by new thermal management 2 of E0 stepping or what?

Maybe we´ll see what this chip can do at minus 140c and with DFI 875P-T... ;)
Soon...

Current setup:

P4 570J (L438A797)
Abit AS8 v1.1 (VDDR modded)
Kingston HyperX 3200 2-2-2-5-SR-E-A-D-E-64µ-70µ
Matrox Millenium PCI
nVentiv Mach2 R404
OCZ PowerStream 520W

[FUGGER]

DFI is yet to release a bios to support 19x multiple.

I think you will need a bigger PSU as well.

DFI 875P-T shows the same problem with voltages in bios vs actual.

[uclajd]

Breaking 5GHz (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/5065MHz.PNG) with single stage compressor took only 1.475V. Nice. :toast: Have you tried it at 1.6v?

[krampak]

Is that a PCI graphic card? :banana4:

[The Stilt]

Best (http://www.akiba-pc.com/570J/SPI1M-5005MHz.PNG) so far

[crotale]

Nice job The Stilt!
You've got PM...

[lutjens]

Stilt, does that 3.8 support EIST (Enhanced Speedstep)?

Or is Intel only including it on the mobile chips?

[perkam]

I think Eva2000 confirmed that it does have ES.

BTW lutjens, how far have you taken your 3.2 EE ??

Perkam

[eva2000]

I think Eva2000 confirmed that it does have ES.

BTW lutjens, how far have you taken your 3.2 EE ??

Perkam
don't think i ever confirmed such a thing heh

[Unrealcpu]

We knew you couldn't wait =)

Pics of the setup?

Here is my athlon FX 55

http://www.v6performance.net/gallery/data/500/9846Athlon_fx.JPG

[lutjens]

BTW lutjens, how far have you taken your 3.2 EE ??

3.73 is the upper limit for the chip and is not 100% stable. When I had it under the Mach 2, it did 4.05 GHz stable.

Maybe I should hook up the Mach 2 again...it's been sitting idle for 6 months;)

Lost one of the evaporator screws though and I'll have to find a suitable replacement (can't order them anymore with the demise of NVentiv).:(

[perkam]

don't think i ever confirmed such a thing heh

Then I probably mis-interpreted this post from the first page.


how much was it ? the 570J started showing here but AUD$935-1000ish which compared to AMD64 4000+ ($1000), FX-53 ($1250-1450), and FX-55 ($1400-1700)

EDIT: i see it's an ES cpu lol

Perkam

[moep]

sooo - all 570s are E0s? can anyone confirm this?

I've found two different boxed 570 CPUs so far:

BX80547PG3800E
BX80547PG3800EJ


Kunaak, the "J" is just Intel's indication for an E0 Stepping Prescott... due to the NX-bit and TM2.

[death metal]

nice going there stilt...woot......i'm drooling...

[eva2000]

Then I probably mis-interpreted this post from the first page.

Perkam ES as in engineering sample not enhanced speedstepping unless they're the same ???

[Mathias-K]

I think Enhanced Speedstep is called EIST to prevent it being taken for ES - Engineering Sample, just like Hyper Transport is HTT and not HT, as Hyper Threading already has that name :)

[death metal]

so macci was in munchen for the dothan? i'm confused....

[Firefoxx]

J is standing for NX64 Bit included and also names the E0 Stepping i think...

Edit// Sorry, just saw, there was another page...

[Hallowed]

so macci was in munchen for the dothan? i'm confused....

Hes in Munich for the Euro unveiling of the Radeon X850 lineup. You know, ATi's new card thats about 4.5% faster than the one it replaces. PCI-Ex, all that.

@Stilt: Memory holding your clocks back? Or just playing around with low-volts?