AMD CPU with SS identification ++ New revision

[derprof]

Hi guys i want to buy me a new cpu and the amd ss should be avery greate oc component i have heard.but how can i see if it an ss or not

i want to buy in maybe 4 weeks. So should i waite for the next revision, i heard of.

okay help me


thx

[Skeet]

Unless you buy a FX-55, you don't get SS. Period.

[abstrakt]

lol GF4's lame rumours.

[texuspete00]

pfft... not. If anything SS seems to be something tried on winchester and brought over to FX55.

http://news.com.com/AMD+sneaks+strained+silicon+into+chips/2100-1006_3-5317169.html?tag=nefd.top

YOU people don't have your facts straight. Probably spending too much time on poor GeForce. Hope you guys feel at least a bit foolish. Sometimes people need to take step back. Tech journalists only mentioned it for the FX, but that means little. That link has words from AMD and there are others also.

[Scout255]

Could someone explain what strained silicon is and how it is different from normal silicon? Is it just a different preparation process done to the wafers in improve yields?

[DanIdentity]

Could someone explain what strained silicon is and how it is different from normal silicon? Is it just a different preparation process done to the wafers in improve yields?

http://www.research.ibm.com/resources/press/strainedsilicon/

[Karnivore]

pfft... not. If anything SS seems to be something tried on winchester and brought over to FX55.

http://news.com.com/AMD+sneaks+strained+silicon+into+chips/2100-1006_3-5317169.html?tag=nefd.top

YOU people don't have your facts straight. Probably spending too much time on poor GeForce. Hope you guys feel at least a bit foolish.

Great to see some factual input with supporting evidence :toast:

Guys if your going to post answers, please TRY to make them informed, and if your going to make a rude comment about another member, think twice, and at least make sure your comment IS accurate.

Abstrakt, while your comment doesn't quite warrant a warning, it is very close, and seeing its not even accurate, all the worse. Lay off GF4, and respect our community, and members.

[Beenthere]

For the record the Cnet story is incorrect and has NEVER been verified by AMD. This journalist is blowing smoke... and if you believe what he's claiming I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might wanna buy.

[Karnivore]

For the record the Cnet story is incorrect and has NEVER been verified by AMD. This journalist is blowing smoke... and if you believe what he's claiming I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might wanna buy.


Has the story been denied by AMD? I haven't read the story, but it certainly is more substancial then an individuals opinion. Here again, My post is not so much "is this true or false", but the fact TexusPete at least offers support for his claim, unlike you....

[mena661]

http://news.com.com/AMD+sneaks+strained+silicon+into+chips/2100-1006_3-5317169.html?tag=nefd.top


That article says that AMD is using SS in their 90nm and then later into the 130nm parts. Yet, the only CPU using SS currently is the FX-55. Also, the date of the article is Aug 2004. Not exactly recent information.

[Scout255]

http://www.research.ibm.com/resources/press/strainedsilicon/
Thanks a bunch, quite the ingenious method.

[trans am]

For the record the Cnet story is incorrect and has NEVER been verified by AMD. This journalist is blowing smoke... and if you believe what he's claiming I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might wanna buy.

Yes, that Cnet article is totally BULL___T
If you really want answers why not call AMD directly? Guess what AMD will tell you?

[pik-ard v1.1]

For the record the Cnet story is incorrect and has NEVER been verified by AMD. This journalist is blowing smoke... and if you believe what he's claiming I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might wanna buy.

That article says that AMD is using SS in their 90nm and then later into the 130nm parts. Yet, the only CPU using SS currently is the FX-55. Also, the date of the article is Aug 2004. Not exactly recent information.

Yes, that Cnet article is totally BULL___T
If you really want answers why not call AMD directly? Guess what AMD will tell you?

hmm... thanks for the evidence supporting your claims... :stick:

EDIT: i though we were talking about the newcastles v0.6 and 2.6 on s754 that were OCing better then previous batches. didnt know gf4 thought the winchesters were SS just caus they OC good... :stick:

[trans am]

hmm... thanks for the evidence supporting your claims... :stick:

EDIT: i though we were talking about the newcastles v0.6 and 2.6 on s754 that were OCing better then previous batches. didnt know gf4 thought the winchesters were SS just caus they OC good... :stick:

We'll how can I prove what AMD told me on the phone? why don't you call and ask them yourself?

This has nothing to do with 754. The question is, "Does AMD use Stretched/strained silicon on the current winchesters?"

[Skeet]

That isn't a good question seeing as FX-57 and 4200+(might gotten those wrong, I mean next ones anyway= will probably be Winchester SSOI an AMD spokesman might answer YES pointing to their latest developments not the current ones. Who knows it still doesn't prove much seeing as how many tech support people will just try to tell the customer what he wants to hear. So until there are official announcements..

Errr..If it really were true, the facts to support it would be more substantial than just "this thing almost does 3ghz on air, omq!". Just doesn't seem very air tight as we all know all chips are different and yields will keep on improving with or without SS.

In a few months we'll be looking back at this laughing, after AMD has gone out with a statement that they will be moving to SSOI on mainstream CPUs 2007 or some such. ;)
Me, I don't care much i'm not getting a CPU upgrade in awhile so I can wait.

[MUCHO]

I remember reading something about SS and AMD chips in a recent Fortune article.

I guess when I go to the A64 conference on the 8th I'll be able to ask them AMD people directly!

[confuzzedintel]

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=343167 ?? GF4 is not the only one who is saying this is real there a great amount of knowligable people out there that say yes it does infact exsist personally i dont know i know i have seen a lot of winchesters that overclo horriable and they where the first OEM's and now the new retails are doing great so i think its a 50 50 chance it could be real or it could be wrong.

[trans am]

I remember reading something about SS and AMD chips in a recent Fortune article.

I guess when I go to the A64 conference on the 8th I'll be able to ask them AMD people directly!

You also might want to ask them about this:
http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=46087

[mena661]

http://www.techspot.com/story14957.html
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1638375,00.asp

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2249

The first two articles seem to indicate that the 130nm parts will recieve SS first then the 90nm parts will continue afterwards. The Anandtech article implys that SS isn't being used on any 90nm parts yet.

[Skeet]

The hunt for the golden chips..wow overclockers are so persistent - how about someone really rich just order a dozen post-week 45 Winchesters from AMD and conduct some scientific tests. ;)

[GenTarkin]

what about that thread on this site that had a comparison of CBID program that was showing some processors of .6 vs .5 version and 2.5 vs 2.6 version for newcastles and clawhammers above week 40 or something.
the version .6 and 2.6 clocked a lot higher like around 200-400mhz higher then the .5 and 2.5 counterparts.
It was believed from that comparison that .6 and 2.6 were made using SS

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44636&highlight=newcastle+version

[OC Detective]

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=343167 ?? GF4 is not the only one who is saying this is real there a great amount of knowligable people out there that say yes it does infact exsist personally i dont know i know i have seen a lot of winchesters that overclo horriable and they where the first OEM's and now the new retails are doing great so i think its a 50 50 chance it could be real or it could be wrong.
GF4 (aka OC550 over there) used that thread to make the claim here at xtreme! Whether it exists in 90nm already is subject to speculation (might even be fabbed but yet to be assembled) but to make a claim that week 45 (thats early November) is the cutoff is ludicrous as the week 45 cpus will not be seen until early December! The latest cpus out just now will be week 42 or 43 AFAIK.

[conrad.maranan]

Off topic: Does anyone know when the Winchesters will start implementing SSE3?

[confuzzedintel]

If im right SSE3 wont come till the 4200+ early next year. OC Detective i truly dont care i was just stating that it wasnt only him saying this is real other people have to.

[OC Detective]

What isnt GF4 real ???? lol

[conrad.maranan]

If im right SSE3 wont come till the 4200+ early next year. OC Detective i truly dont care i was just stating that it wasnt only him saying this is real other people have to.
Aw, shucks. I wish they'd consider implementing SSE3 in the low-end 939s as well, and not just the 4200+ and above.

[confuzzedintel]

stating that it wasnt only him saying this is real other people have to.
stating that it wasnt only him saying THIS as in SS is real other people have to.

[OC Detective]

Actually according to Anandtech it is likely that SSE3 will be implemented in low end cpus as the 4200+ is not coming out till mid 2005 whereas SSE3 is pencilled in for early 2005.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2264&p=3

[conrad.maranan]

Aw yes. I do recall reading that review. Thanks for refreshing my memory. :)

[OC Detective]

stating that it wasnt only him saying THIS as in SS is real other people have to.
ah you mean "stating that it wasnt only him saying this is real (comma) other people have too." Now I understand! Anyway my argument is not about its existence or otherwise but about the cutoff date.

[texuspete00]

Well then cnet, the register, and extremetech are all full of crap but the guy who's friend's brother has a bird that flies around at AMD told you it was false.... who do you believe? How is august information old anyways... Really weak arguments. I'm making the argument it is a targetted approach that is ALREADY in use. It's encouraging that most of the articles are so antique at the ripe age of 3 whopping months.

I was only making a point that people were picking on GF. I don't agree with him. I don't think you have to "look" for SS on winchesters at all. It's kind of rediculous though that a look to google says the GF haters are dead wrong. If i was wrong I wouldn't feel foolish in the least... every damn article that comes up when you search for strained silicon and AMD says the same. That "I know this guy" stuff on forums really reads like that birdie statement above to me. Not even an iota more read worthy then any GF spam people love so much. I'm just totally dumbfounded that computer enthusiasts discredit cnet like it's the only one. Geez... got Google? The anandtech article does imply they aren't using it at 90nm yet and I am thankful that this was presented. Anyone else want to provide a counter point or just spam and take digs at people not even in the thread?

[Freya]

Can you all leave this to rest? There's no point in arguing about it because no one really knows. To all the doubters, you doubt that it's not true but don't you think it'll be good if it was true? And to the supporters, just don't get your hopes to astronomical porportions.

[trans am]

Direct from AMD
Hello Alvin,

Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center.

At the moment, there is nothing in our public documentation which
indicates which processors are strained silicon. All of our
documentation states that the FX-55 as well as our other Athlon 64
processors are only using SOI (
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html
).

As soon as more information is made available, we will let you know.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.

Sincerely,
Jeff
Customer Support Analyst
AMD TSC

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Original Message Follows:
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CASE NO. 190481

Winchester and strained silicon.
I am waiting for amd to implement the
stretched/strained silicon on the Winchester line. Is
this ever going to happen? Has it already happened?
As far as I know it's only used on the FX55. Can you
please confirm this. And do you know of a stepping
change on the Winchesters anytime soon?
Thanks for your time.
Regards,
Alvin Hayek

[mena661]

I don't hate GF. I don't even know the guy. Where is the evidence that AMD is incorporating SS in their current CPU's? A few of you are claiming that this is gospel with no proof. I saw an article that claimed AMD was indeed using SS currently but gave no proof. It was only said that they "heard" that this was so. That's not proof. The links I posted with the exception of Anandtech are proof because AMD said it. Anandtech is speculating.

[confuzzedintel]

Direct from AMD
Hello Alvin,

Thank you for contacting AMD's Technical Service Center.

At the moment, there is nothing in our public documentation which
indicates which processors are strained silicon. All of our
documentation states that the FX-55 as well as our other Athlon 64
processors are only using SOI (
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_608,00.html
).

As soon as more information is made available, we will let you know.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.

Sincerely,
Jeff
Customer Support Analyst
AMD TSC

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Original Message Follows:
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CASE NO. 190481

Winchester and strained silicon.
I am waiting for amd to implement the
stretched/strained silicon on the Winchester line. Is
this ever going to happen? Has it already happened?
As far as I know it's only used on the FX55. Can you
please confirm this. And do you know of a stepping
change on the Winchesters anytime soon?
Thanks for your time.
Regards,
Alvin Hayek

AMD says its not in there documentation, they said the same thing when newegg was selling the 3400+ S939 which realy exsits. Personally im not trying to argue the point i was just stating the GF4 was not the only person comenting on the post week 41 Winchesters carry streched silcon, nore should any one call him dumb because he is just repeating what he has herd weather its fact or fiction just ask him for proof and leave it at that.

[IvanAndreevich]

As far as I know, Strained Silicon is currently implemented in 0.13 cores only. If 0.09 cores used Strained Silicon, they would clock to 3.0 GHz IMO. The point of 0.09 CURRENTLY being troubleshooting the new tech process and saving money, NOT achieving highest possible clocks.

I suppose it's hard to troubleshoot a new tech process AND the addition of Strained Silicon all at once in one core. AMD's current target is to start saturating the market with S939 chips at lower cost to slaughter Intel's market share.

I _think_ that once they get their yields way up, they will start playing with Strained Silicon. Besides, they NEED good yields on 0.09 - they are working towards chips with cores with 1MB L2 (or more) with much higher transistor counts (including dual core chips). If they can't have that figured out by the end of Q105, they are in BIG trouble.

So in essence I believe AMD is focusing on yields, since 0.09 process by itself is able to get clocks necessary for the _near_ future.

[IvanAndreevich]

Any new information here? Results, maybe?

[OC Detective]

Well it looks like it has all been cleared up now and strained silicon is not in the 90nm Winchesters!!! Only the FX ever had the first generation strained silicon - humble pie for some folks.....

[MaxxxRacer]

Guys according to a report from the INQ, amd will use SS (was reported by AMD and IBM jointly as they will both be using the tech) in their 90nm technology. AMD for the winnies and IBM will use it for the new power pc cpus.'

but as of now, neither are using on the 90nm process. suposedly these new steppings will be out in early 2005.

thanks the info i got from the INQ. If anyone wants they can over to the inquierer and check it out for themselves.. it should still be on the first page.

[OC Detective]

Erm the AMD website has it actually - a thread has already been started about it - I just updated this one to bring some closure to it.

[DevilsRejection]

you guys seriously think AMD will tell you anything? you are consumers!

i'm sure the boys at alienware or voodoo already know the AMD roadmap and they just are on NDA.

[fareastgq]

you guys are funny, there's only 2 possibilites, either they are getting better yeilds with the new chips on the non ss process, which in turn allows you to oc higher, or they are testing ss in the new revisions (or adding it in without saying anything officially), nothing says they can't do that.........either way, that's good for all of us because higher stable oc's avg goes up :) I would shut up about too if I were them..better to shoot your mouth off when you know for sure than to make promises you can't deliver. Now.. someone with the proper equipment to tell, let us know,..

[zakelwe]

We've already had misinformation from AMD "techies" that is rubbish before, the techie above at least covers himself that it is not in the public domain yet.

Regards

Andy