Crappy drago with Gigabyte K8NS Ultra and K8NSNXP

[Formann]

Hello fellow slaves to performance :D

Im playing around with a 3500+ and a Gigabyte K8NS Ultra939 and im having trouble figuring out why my drago sucks (3dmark01) compared to everyone else. I noticed that macci discovered the same thing with his Gigabyte, execpt mine is worse.

With 240*11 3-3-3-11 and 576/596 on X800 XT PE i get 510-530 in drago low, and 275 in drago high.
Others are getting 40-50 FPS more than me it seems.
Also my car-low is a bit low, and i think its for the same reasons.

I have tried different drivers, and strangely the Omega 4.10b gives me the best result. It adds 4-5 FPS (in drago) over the Cat4.10 (since when did omega do well in 3dmark?!?)

This run I ran drago first, and it was a lucky one. Normally I get 510-520.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8230741


Does anybody have an idea how to get the Gigabytes to perform on par with the other MOBOs, or whats causing this?

Mayby I should just buy the MSI K8N instead..? the vcore is fluctuating like mad on this Gigabyte.

[Formann]

Last night I was home tweaking and trying all drivers and settings i could find. I ended up with boosts in Car and Lobby, but drago is still 40/20 low. This has to effect games aswell as 3dmark, so i have decided to get a K8N Neo2 instead.
Maybe ill get a better clock from my 3500+ with the MSI, cause the vcore on the GB is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing up my OC. My chip does 2600 @ default vcore, but only 2650 with 1.7vcore. Crappy Gigabyte. I had a felling i was going to regret buying it. My last Gigabyte (K8NS s754) Killed two of my A64´s, and one of them was a nice clocking Clawhammer.

Any reasons NOT to buy the MSI ?

[macci]

I'll be installing the Gigabyte back today. I'll see if I can find where the low drago comes from. Its more than likely a BIOS setting (AGP/chipset related). MSI has this hidden 'NV/ATI boost' option in the BIOS which is more than likely the setting that needs to be enabled on gigabyte in order to get the drago low up.
Lets see if I can find the setting w/ WPCREDIT.

[Formann]

I'll be installing the Gigabyte back today. I'll see if I can find where the low drago comes from. Its more than likely a BIOS setting (AGP/chipset related). MSI has this hidden 'NV/ATI boost' option in the BIOS which is more than likely the setting that needs to be enabled on gigabyte in order to get the drago low up.
Lets see if I can find the setting w/ WPCREDIT.


Great :)

I haven´t given it up, but im starting to get a bit grumpy about it. I just cant let this ting go. At first it was like "grrrr.. im 30-40 FPS low in drago" now its like "Argh... that stoopid mobo has outsmarted me"
I hate not figuring theese things out. Problems are best solved.


WPCREDIT.. hmm. I diddn´t think of that. Im not very familiar with it, but it looks like i´ll have to take a look.

[Overklokk]

Great :)

I haven´t given it up, but im starting to get a bit grumpy about it. I just cant let this ting go. At first it was like "grrrr.. im 30-40 FPS low in drago" now its like "Argh... that stoopid mobo has outsmarted me"
I hate not figuring theese things out. Problems are best solved.


WPCREDIT.. hmm. I diddn´t think of that. Im not very familiar with it, but it looks like i´ll have to take a look.

I hawe the same problem with my DFI and 3700+.... Drago Low is way too low.....

But today i godt a MSI on my way, and a FX55 is on my desk :)

This wekend i wil gedt some R1150 to my casade so i hope the FX clock good... :)

[Crankster]

On Your Desk?!? Wtf Is That Doing On A Desk!!??!
:d

[dpa]

he is waiting for a mobo you mofo :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

maybe the 512k cache of those cpus are responsable? and formann, your cpu is a newcastle, those are slower than winchesters clock for clock. I have yet to break 500fps in drag low even at 640x480, maybe I finally will on this winchester! If something was wrong with the cpu or agp, why is nature and car high just fine? The only explanation is drag low is very cache intensive. as for 2.6GHz on default 1.3v, thats just amazing unless your mobo is really overvolting which it probably is, cause I know no one that got close to those clocks on 1.3v! finally, overklokk, good luck with your fx55. I hope it doesnt have the "cold" issue the vast majority of winchesters and some fx55s do. OPPs fx55 is a no go under win2k but 2003 is fine, go figure. hope u have win2003 just in case. If this "cold" issue isnt resolved, it could be the end of supercooling :( everyone will just stay with air cooling

[Overklokk]

finally, overklokk, good luck with your fx55. I hope it doesnt have the "cold" issue the vast majority of winchesters and some fx55s do. OPPs fx55 is a no go under win2k but 2003 is fine, go figure. hope u have win2003 just in case. If this "cold" issue isnt resolved, it could be the end of supercooling :( everyone will just stay with air cooling

Its an AAAXC 0433 UPMW so i am afraid of the cold issue...... But win2003 is ready if the problem is there.......

[Geforce4ti4200]

good luck getting high clocks too. do you think you can break 40k? I would get laughed for this 2 months ago, but its very possible, opp even has 42k!

[Formann]

maybe the 512k cache of those cpus are responsable? and formann, your cpu is a newcastle, those are slower than winchesters clock for clock. I have yet to break 500fps in drag low even at 640x480, maybe I finally will on this winchester! If something was wrong with the cpu or agp, why is nature and car high just fine? The only explanation is drag low is very cache intensive. as for 2.6GHz on default 1.3v, thats just amazing unless your mobo is really overvolting which it probably is, cause I know no one that got close to those clocks on 1.3v! finally, overklokk, good luck with your fx55. I hope it doesnt have the "cold" issue the vast majority of winchesters and some fx55s do. OPPs fx55 is a no go under win2k but 2003 is fine, go figure. hope u have win2003 just in case. If this "cold" issue isnt resolved, it could be the end of supercooling :( everyone will just stay with air cooling


I know the 512kb cache really hurts the drago, but still im a bit low I think. Have seen others with Newcastle/Winnie setup pull 30-40 FPS more than me in drago. Most (all?) of them with an MSI mobo tho.

Default vcore on a Newcastle is 1.5v not 1.3 so 2600Mhz is nothing extraordinary. The K8NS is overvolting, but not more than 1.54v load. (except the 1.6v spikes)

Did some more tweaking today, and ended up with almost the same drago results. Others are improving tho.

230*11 2.5-2-2-10-9-12-2-2-1-2, Stock XT PE

CL: 401.4
CH: 129.1
DL: 504.5
DH: 265.1
LL: 364.3
LH: 160.2
NA: 255.6


With a Clawhammer at this speed, my drago would be ~600 fps. Think Ill start saving some for a FX.

[Geforce4ti4200]

If you think the mobo is at fault somehow, its much cheaper to buy a msi than a $880 fx55 LOL

[misteroadster]

it's not the M/B, look at this MSI/gigabyte compare (only 10mhz cpu difference) :
Gigabyte :http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8241057
MSI:http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8238968

[macci]

The difference is not that big yes but there is a clear difference nevertheless.
See here:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/giga_vs_msi.PNG
Used the exact same OS for both runs only mobo was swapped between runs. Test order and A64 tweaks etc identical in both runs.

[misteroadster]

which bios do you used ? , there is difference between F3 and F4.
The F3 is better at drago.

[macci]

F4 or 5. I'll go with F3 next (tomorrow evening). It probably enables the same setting the MSI is useing also. Thx for the tip! :)

[misteroadster]

here's a perfect MSI/Gigabyte compare with X800 XT PE stock :
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8238968
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8242029
http://pageperso.aol.fr/misteroadster/Fight.JPG

[macci]

HEhe thats Great stuff there :D
Perfect indeed :toast:

[Formann]

Is not the same person who did the two runs. Since we are talking relatively small differences, I dont think those runs should be taken into consideration.

Its not likely that the two of them are running the exact same timings and tweaks.

The only way to compare is the way macci did it. Same tweaks, same drivers, same _everything_ except the mobo itself.

[misteroadster]

HEhe thats Great stuff there :D
Perfect indeed :toast:
Do you tried F3 Bios ? i don't know if it work with winchesters.

[Titan7171]

hey guys I got the same mobo and am also having problems running over 220-230mhz.........I have 2 systems here......and ran these tests, a 754 newcastle 3200 with k8nspro VS 939 winchester 3200 k8ns-ultra with same os/drivers/dx all equal except for mobo's......check out the thread and see if you come up with anything??

newcastle vs winchester (http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techmobocpu&Number=4604383&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1)

also anybody got a link to these bios for the ultra?? Im on the crappy f2 bios and the gig-bytes website only got a f4 bios any help would be appreciated :)

[macci]

Do you tried F3 Bios ? i don't know if it work with winchesters.
Yea, I tried it and it wouldn't boot with 2 dimm's installed w/ Winchester. Tried F6 next and it was slow for drago still. Now on MSI mobo again hehe (the gigabyte silicon image SATA controller was somewhat messed up, so I decided to let it go) :D

[corrupt]

I have the same problem BUT with the DFI UT 250 lost about 50-60fps in drag low. And thats with the same cpu 3200+ 1mb cache and same settings. :confused:
Something is weird there.

[Titan7171]

hey guys I got the same mobo and am also having problems running over 220-230mhz.........I have 2 systems here......and ran these tests, a 754 newcastle 3200 with k8nspro VS 939 winchester 3200 k8ns-ultra with same os/drivers/dx all equal except for mobo's......check out the thread and see if you come up with anything??

newcastle vs winchester (http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=techmobocpu&Number=4604383&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=0&fpart=1)

also anybody got a link to these bios for the ultra?? Im on the crappy f2 bios and the gig-bytes website only got a f4 bios any help would be appreciated :)

I wonder why I never get a response to my posts here :confused:

[macci]

Got the K8NS-Ultra 939 now and w/ default BIOS (F2) it was also slow for dragos.
Flashed it to K8NSNXP-939 F3 and Drago low went up by some 35FPS (650 => 685) :)
Thanks for the tip misteroadster!

[Formann]

Got the K8NS-Ultra 939 now and w/ default BIOS (F2) it was also slow for dragos.
Flashed it to K8NSNXP-939 F3 and Drago low went up by some 35FPS (650 => 685) :)
Thanks for the tip misteroadster!

Weird.. i have tried the K8NXNXP F3, but it diddnt do anything. Maybe I was running from the Backup bios...

Anyway.. 35fps boost puts the K8NS Ultra where it should be. Im going to give the F3 another try later today.

Thanks for the tip guys :)


BTW: How is your vcore? Mine is fluctuating badly. If i set 1.65v i get 1.54-1.71
This makes it hard to get any higher then 2650 3dstable.

[misteroadster]

F3 Bios don't work with winnies and dual channel.

[misteroadster]

Got the K8NS-Ultra 939 now and w/ default BIOS (F2) it was also slow for dragos.
Flashed it to K8NSNXP-939 F3 and Drago low went up by some 35FPS (650 => 685) :)
Thanks for the tip misteroadster!
:toast:

[Formann]

I gave the F3 bios one more try, but now i cant run 230*11 2.5-2-2-8 (24/7 settings) anymore. Not even if i up the vcore to 1.6v and loosen timings a bit. Im starting to dislike Gigabyte more and more.
My last gigabyte fried a nice clawhammer and a brand new 3000+ i bought to replace it.

Edit: Stock speeds are not stable either.
No matter what i try, the F3 results in a BSOD bonanza.. grrrr.