Aircooled Winchester rig => 34k

[macci]

For all the 3d2k1 freaks out there :D

Hows this score for a sub-2700MHz aircooled 512k cache winchester rig? :D

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/34k.gif (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/34kair_f.gif)
(click for fullscreen pic)

not a bad aircooled lobby hi either:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/LH_186.7_air.gif

Used Zalman CNPS-7000CU for CPU and Alpha PAL8942+80mm fan on video card.

Was a nice challenge to see if a sub 2700 cpu could do 34k and it just hit it (required nature rerun @669/642 clocks thou) :D

Compare URL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8228380)

[cpulloverclock]

For all the 3d2k1 freaks out there :D

Hows this score for a sub-2700MHz aircooled 512k cache winchester rig? :D



not a bad aircooled lobby hi either:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/LH_186.7_air.gif

Used Zalman CNPS-7000CU for CPU and Alpha PAL8942+80mm fan on video card.

Was a nice challenge to see if a sub 2700 cpu could do 34k and it just hit it (required nature rerun @669/642 clocks thou) :D

Compare URL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8228380)
nice job

acpi in MPS uniproc hal?

[macci]

Yup :D

[olfen]

really good job there, and that lobby is nice :)

btw what bios do you use for the msi

[twilius_basic]

Whoa, that's in a league of it's own :D I'm suprised too how well that Winny is doing, though that's the craziest air-cooled X800 I've seen anywhere ;) Awesome, as usual :devil:

[perkam]

Pssh, like we were expecting any less when Macci finally got a hold of a winchester... AMAZING job :eek: :eek: :eek: :banana:

Were you able to break 30k with the sub-2.7 and the X800 STOCK ??

[mcnbns]

I think it's just the fact that it's a low quality .gif that makes it look so odd.

[macci]

Its just that when you run windows w/ 256 colors it looks like that :D

I'll post some pics of the test rig once I get em off the digicam.

[xxORBxx]

Wy are you running it that way? :stick:
Better score most likely :D

[craig588]

yes, it does increase the score, just like running in 8x6 does. Windows keeps anything on the desktop in a buffer, if its at 16x12x32, there will be a significant drain on your '01 score because of the large amount of information it needs to keep track of.

[charlie]

macci,
great job! Have you tried sub-zero cooling the Winnie? There seems to be some controversy as to whether the CPU functions below about -30C with the Neo2

C

[perkam]

Have you tried sub-zero cooling the Winnie?

Was there ever a doubt that he was going to ?? :D :D

[fragsta]

very nice score you've got there ;)

What bios are you using on that Neo2?

[Kanavit]

wow, 34K aircooled 2k1. Nice Macci! i don't think the P4 EE can do that air cooled. whoa!

[macci]

Thanks for the support :)
the idea was to use this cpu+mobo on my everyday rig (it will replace the intel stuff) but I dont think that a little vaporphase/cascade etc testdrive will hurt it ;)
better be careful w/ the core now thou.
HS and Gerber :D
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/gerber_hs.jpg

Already tried it with some watercooling and it hit 2886MHz Superpi 1m stable. guess that water+icecubes are the next method. Should also try over 1.8V Vcore as it seemed to love volts.

and BIOS 1.36b on MSI

[macci]

i don't think the P4 EE can do that air cooled.
I'm typing this from a rig based on 3.4EE and it sure can't hit anywhere even near 34k aircooled. just barely hits 30k - might hit 31k if pushed really hard and with some fresh air.

[macci]

Yes it is and its also roughly 3x the price and has ~5x more cache than the winchester ;)

Need to run some Doom3 timedemos w/ this Winny and see how much it beats the EE in that test.

[perkam]

I'm typing this from a rig based on 3.4EE and it sure can't hit anywhere even near 34k aircooled

Hey Macci, maybe its high time we found out what all your rigs are with full specs :D :D

[Jack]

yeah truely amazing :banana::banana::banana::banana: :toast:

i'm aircooled at the moment but have only have your 3dm score hehe
i feel kinda outperformed :D

[fragsta]

Who doesn't when u see such results :p:

thx for the bios info, i'm picking up the same mobo.

[zakelwe]

:toast:

The 7000 Zalman is a great cpu heatsink, especially if you take out that fan that comes with it that blocks air flow to the centre and put a high powered fan on top of fins.

Excellent score, must be one of the top air cooled scores ??

Regards

Andy

[Geforce4ti4200]

great work Macci! what kind of cooling did you use to get that gpu core so high? chilled water? Nice air cooled cpu clocks and performance though! also what volts are you giving your ram? sick 146 car high, this matches the car high you had on your 2.9GHz clawhammer back when you broke 36k! We are curious what you can do once you superchill the winchester and x800xt. 38k? 39k? even 40K? The only thing better than winchester is fx53/55 :D as for that p4ee, what clocks did it hit aircooled for 30k marks? I am not supprised, amd has been ahead ever since they debutted the first athlons back in late 1999 :D

[ojdr2001]

625/621 xt clocks air cooling 1.55v

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8229566

Click for Large Pic
http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/wrairsmall.jpg (http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/wrair.jpg)

[Dissolved]

Pretty Crazy, ill be lucky to get that on phasechange xD

[Kanavit]

I think Macci has just demonstrated how important cache is to AMD Athlon 64 based system. Cache is Not very effective. The Winchester comes with only 512kb cache , yet it kills a P4 EE with 2mb L3 cache in 3dmark2001se. I think my next chip will be a s939 winchester for sure.

edited: hmm, after seeing Jason's 57570 score. I'd say cache does help a bit thou.

[Playful_Buffalo]

yes, it does increase the score, just like running in 8x6 does. Windows keeps anything on the desktop in a buffer, if its at 16x12x32, there will be a significant drain on your '01 score because of the large amount of information it needs to keep track of.
(kills self)

[perkam]

I'd say cache does help a bit thou.

Forgotten the Dothan already have we ?? :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec.hmx?scriteria=BA20768
http://img125.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img125&image=comparemacci.jpg


both at 230x10 with bh5 ram. The 1mb claw is only some odd 200 points ahead of the 512k winchester! Wow they are close! the winchester is so powerful despite 512k cache! But winchester ocs way better than clawhammers anyway so the best cpu 2nd to the FX is winchester :)
I may go winchester already :D its a hair slower than the claw but the extra 200+ MHz oc will pull it waaaaaaaaay ahead

[blinky]

great work Macci! what kind of cooling did you use to get that gpu core so high? chilled water?

dude do you not read the posts? or what?

Used Zalman CNPS-7000CU for CPU and Alpha PAL8942+80mm fan on video card.

[Shade00]

dude do you not read the posts? or what?

No. He glances over posts (at best) and probably gets so excited on his way to type that he practically trips over the keyboard.

Incredible scores on aircooling, by the way. I love how high that FX-55 will go.

[spaceman]

Nice macci! :toast: I know how much work it took for 31k, so I have an even better appreciation now for nice air scores. :cool:

[DCR]

Wy are you running it that way?

All of Macci's pic posts maybe a conspiracy....lol

Nice clocking..I am about 10 seconds away from a Winchester purchase myself..

[Geforce4ti4200]

No. He glances over posts (at best) and probably gets so excited on his way to type that he practically trips over the keyboard.

Incredible scores on aircooling, by the way. I love how high that FX-55 will go.



yea that must be it :stick: :lol: :rofl: and what fx55? Macci got one? Nice, thats gonna own his winchester and might get him 40k too :D


"Athlon XP Mobile 2500 @ 3200+
Abit NF7-S V2
ATI Radeon X800XT PE
512x2 OCZ 3500 PS
520w OCZ Powerstream PSU
Antec Solution Case w/2 120mm Fans
200, 120, 80, 40 G HDs
More time than money"

that winchester is gonna be your best upgrade ever and give your x800xt 10 times more breathing room. your psu is *excellent* too. Not sure how high your ram does, hopefully 230 at 2-2-2-5. with winchester, you should easily break 30k even with winxp. With win2k and much tweaking, 32k or even more :toast:

[Crow]

No. He glances over posts (at best) and probably gets so excited on his way to type that he practically trips over the keyboard.

Incredible scores on aircooling, by the way. I love how high that FX-55 will go.


When I seen this, I just had to bust out laughing. :D

[macci]

Heres An Air Cooled Run From Jason Macci He Said Try And Top It
Heh give me the FX55 and I'll see what I can do :D
Mad aircooled result there! :toast:

Would be interesting to see what the FX gets at sub-2700MHz (clock to clock comparison)? It will be faster than Winny in car low and drago low (cos of bigger cache) but the other tests should be quite even. Jason, can you do a <2700MHz run? Thx :)
If not I'll just jack the Winny up to 2846MHz for a 3d run :D

what kind of cooling did you use to get that gpu core so high? chilled water?
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/x800xt_aircooled.jpg

I have a 3DMark05 run @688MHz GPU (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=92136) with the same cooler :D Might hit 700 on air once the winter arrives ;)
Its a very funny card thou - back when I got it (before it was released) it maxed at around 717MHz w/ dryice!? and later got it to 779 max w/ cascade. Let it run aircooled at around stock clocks on my main rig for couple months (was useing the X800Pro VIVO for benching then - it hit 806/666 w/ Cascade). Then the VIVO died and I took this card back to benchrig and now it has been thru 3dmark05 at 817GPU w/ cascade and reaches almost 700 on air :D

Here's the aircooled test setup:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/s939_aircooled.jpg

Andy, thanks for the Zalman tip, I think I have an extra 92mm fan just for that purpose :)

[Kanavit]

Macci, did you see the new Zalman CNPS 7700 ? it uses 120mm fan! all-copper too.

Someone give Macci a Dothan or Winchester? what can get more on air in 3d2k1?

sorry a lot of questions.

[macci]

Someone give Macci a Dothan or Winchester? what can get more on air in 3d2k1?
My money is on Winny :D
And yes I saw the big zalman, its not available here yet and it wont fit on the MSI mobo either. I've got a XP120 heatsink too which just barely fits on gigabyte mobo but no luck on getting it on this msi mobo.

Did some more tests today and found out that getting the chip colder makes it only run worse!? My previous top spi1m clock of 2866mhz was done with ~15C water. Now I tried to run this chip w/ ~2C water (water and loads of ice :D) and it didn't even reach 2830MHz. Let the water heat up a bit and once the ice had melted I was able to run at 2866MHz again. Pretty damn wierd stuff.

Managed to hit this with watercooling on CPU - not much improvement over the all aircooled sub-2700 score. mainly cos had to up the multi and drop mem speed down a bit - Nature is a bit higher on this run thou. 314.2 nature aircooled :D
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/34902s.gif (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/34902.gif)
(click fullscreen)

The big Winny vs. FX55 clock to clock comparo @2846:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/winny_vs_fx_2846.gif
FX is no doubt the faster chip here. Winny gets close to fx only in car hi. Interesting that the difference in lobby hi is that big too - might have something to do w/ test order (didn't run lobbies first).
Peak lobby hi I managed to hit at 2866MHz:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/LH_192.3.gif

30k @ 2300MHz (230x10) (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/30008_2300f.gif) too

[Kanavit]

lol, maybe the Winny has a sweetspot! Did you use one of Pedro/Rocha's tweaks?

[mcnbns]

Love the vid card cooling, Macci. Keep up the Xtreme work. This is what we live for! :toast:

PS: I think I need to upgrade. :D

[macci]

Kanavit, Yea its an all tweaked run.

[Jack]

are you sure you can compare the winch. and the fx55 now clock for clock=
Since the screenshot says that the winne had a 230Mhz htt and the fx only 201Mhz

[funkflix]

Hi!

Any chance to hit 30000 with my Sys. as u see in my Sig?

Here are an run from yesterday : http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8229627

Why are my Nature-FPS are so low?? All ppl with 6800GT on Orb and with
+27000 Marks have 270+ and me have only ~ 190! :confused:

Can u give me some Tips/Tweaks!

Thx! :)

@macci

Nice Score! :banana:

[macci]

are you sure you can compare the winch. and the fx55 now clock for clock=
Since the screenshot says that the winne had a 230Mhz htt and the fx only 201Mhz
those FSBs the ORB reports are boot-up FSB speeds. both are really running at identical clock (11x259). So the comparo is very valid.

[funkflix]

Very simple

---->lod bias range adjustment.....

+3

.... :banana:

What? :D

[funkflix]

You need rivatuner for this

there you can change this,download it and look at it ...

Which setting is the fastest? :)

[funkflix]

Thx! :)

[funkflix]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8230940

:banana:

[CarNabY]

Used Zalman CNPS-7000CU for CPU and Alpha PAL8942+80mm fan on video card.

Was a nice challenge to see if a sub 2700 cpu could do 34k and it just hit it (required nature rerun @669/642 clocks thou) :D


X800 @669/642 air cooler!! :slobber:
Macci,video card air cooler with mod.... Voltage? Mem and Gpu :)
Thx

[zakelwe]

I'm very puzzled about the lower temperature on the watercooling meaning the overclock was not as high.

I have a theory for this but it might be so dumb I dare not say it :D

Regards

Andy

PS Nice scores, of course !

Regards

Andy

[charlie]

I'm very puzzled about the lower temperature on the watercooling meaning the overclock was not as high.

I have a theory for this but it might be so dumb I dare not say it :D

Regards

Andy

PS Nice scores, of course !

Regards

Andy

Andy,
Let's hear it! Fire away :D

[zakelwe]

Andy,
Let's hear it! Fire away :D

Well don't laugh and point like that kid in The Simpsons.

Assuming Macci has the ice mixed in with the water a piece of ice got injested and pulverised through the pump. This bit of ice got stuck in the inlet for the waterblock so reducing the water flow by 10-20-30% or whatever. Although macci measured the temp in the water his cpu temp actually increased due to the restriction.

When he put warmer water back in the ice melted, the flow rate increased and his overclock went up.

Well, maybe

Regards

Andy

[macci]

heh Thats a nice theory there :D

But since I used this sort of ice chunks the problem really can't be that :D
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/water_ice.jpg

the waterblock was clearly colder (visible condensation) that way but the CPU just didn't OC like it did once it got a bit warmer. I double checked the contact between the block and the core too and even used different thermal paste but the result was always the same. Never seen anything like this before (well the first XP2100s lost some cache when cold but that wasn't until -15C or so..). These Winnys are very wierd chips I must say.

[DCR]

that winchester is gonna be your best upgrade ever and give your x800xt 10 times more breathing room. your psu is *excellent* too. Not sure how high your ram does, hopefully 230 at 2-2-2-5. with winchester, you should easily break 30k even with winxp. With win2k and much tweaking, 32k or even more

I forgot to update my sig. I now have 512x2 OCZ 3700 EB Platinum. I am really leaning on the Winchester now...but I still need to crack 13000 in '03 with this rig. On my current board, with no mods, I can't hit higher than 218 FSB..it won't boot.

[Geforce4ti4200]

this is a first that there is a such thing as too cold. I remember there was a batch of bartons that lost 3/4 of its cache when chilled to like -20c or less. Maybe a different part of the cpu stops working and it becomes less stable and ocs less. I am hoping the next batch wont have this problem or thered be no point chilling anything but the athlon FX :mad:

[Kane]

both at +3

A quick question. Isn't it cheating to use this? I get a big boost i FPS, but it looks like :banana::banana::banana::banana:. Just wondering. I don't want to use it if it's a cheat that's all :)

[funkflix]

All ppl in ORB over 30000 Marks with 6800GT/Ultra use it! :rolleyes:

[DCR]

That is Nvidia only right?

[funkflix]

Afaik, yes.

[Bennah]

Great results macci, congrats :toast:

You should grab your self an MX440 and torture it :D

[zakelwe]

That Winchester is very strange, maybe a one off ? Have you tried it with the cascade macci ?

In regards to nvidia LOD, this is normally accepted to be a tweak rather than a cheat as you still have to tune it in, ie if you used LOD +1 or LOD +10 you would not get as good results. It is interesting to know that the 6800 is much more fussy on LOD in nature than the FX series though.

Now you just have to get the right driver ;)

Regards

Andy

[STEvil]

Try with a PCI video card. *hint hint*

EDIT

HINT HINT http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=45309

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://www.wcroller.com/los/linkpics/chestonmod.jpg

I love that sig of the sun kissing the earth and wiping out all life on it, LOL
anyway see my comment about winchesters. I wonder if amd is aware of that and I wonder if they care?

[QuadDamage]

Awesome scoreage as always macci.

So still no luck @ low/subzero temps? dam i was hoping i could take one of them Winny's for a ride... I can only hope it's a Winny/MSI issue.

[charlie]

well, if ANYONE can figure out the Winchester/Low Temp bug..... it would be MACCI.

[STEvil]

EDIT

Nevermind.. bleah :stick: :banana4:

[QuadDamage]

well, if ANYONE can figure out the Winchester/Low Temp bug..... it would be MACCI.


the reason i've asked is i don't have a Winny chip yet.

[DrJay]

Macci,

Did you get the Zalman 7000 Cu to mount on the cpu correctly after you removed the IHS??


Jay

[macci]

Did you get the Zalman 7000 Cu to mount on the cpu correctly after you removed the IHS??
yes sits nicely on top of it.

[Frede24]

Isn't there anyone who have reached 30k with a winnie@2,7 ghz and a X800XT PE stock ? I have just gotten my own 3500+ and at 2,7 ghz (10x270 1:1 on ram). I get 29523 and thats with out any tweaks at all.

[macci]

Isn't there anyone who have reached 30k with a winnie@2,7 ghz and a X800XT PE stock ?
haven't tried w/ card at stock @270x10 but since card speed doesn't matter that much (excluding the nature test) I'd guess that the system would reach around 31.5-32k at 270x10 w/ X800XT PE at stock speeds. Nature will come down from 311 zone to 265 (thats 920 marks there) , dragos will come down a bit too and car low too a bit (taking around 1k off the 34k overall score).

[fragsta]

Do you have any issues between your OCZ 520watt and the mobo.
Everybody is complaining about lock ups and boot fails.
Do you encounter the same problems?

[macci]

Not a single boot up problem so far. Everything working just nicely :)

[fragsta]

Not a single boot up problem so far. Everything working just nicely :)

Strange, but good for you ;)

A lot of people are having boot problems. You got a handpicked one :p:

[zakelwe]

Strange, but good for you ;)

A lot of people are having boot problems. You got a handpicked one :p:

Lot of people having problems with Antec as well including me in the past , but my latest board is perfect, I think it is luck of the draw at present until MSI figure it out.

Regards

Andy

[Mag Master 21]

No. He glances over posts (at best) and probably gets so excited on his way to type that he practically trips over the keyboard.

Incredible scores on aircooling, by the way. I love how high that FX-55 will go.

Doh! I almost burst out laughing (in the middle of class) thanks to you!!

:p:

[macci]

Isn't there anyone who have reached 30k with a winnie@2,7 ghz and a X800XT PE stock ?
Was just testing 24/7 clocks for the winny at stock voltage and let it loop 3d2k1 (10x thru each test) @ 2.5GHz (11x228), stock XT PE clocks, result was 30302.

[Formann]

Was just testing 24/7 clocks for the winny at stock voltage and let it loop 3d2k1 (10x thru each test) @ 2.5GHz (11x228), stock XT PE clocks, result was 30302.

30k at that speed? Its not fair... :mad: :mad: :D

At that speed i get 28.5 or so. With w2k sp4, multi proc tweak, dx9.0c, Cat4.10 , NewCastle 3500+ @ 230*11 2.5-2-2-10-12-16 1T. Looks like my setup has got some serious problems. Of course you´ve got some nice tweaks up your sleeve, but come on, 1800 3dmarks?


30k with 228*11 on winnie is very nice. I thought one needed atleast 265*10 1:1 along with slightly OC´ed VC to get 30k. Obviously i was wrong.


BTW: How is the weather in Finland theese days? Here in norway were starting to feel the vinter set in. I look forward to get som nice clocks on air. Wont get your -20, -30c temperatures, but -10c (if im lucky) will have to do.

[macci]

Winny has a bit faster L2 cache than NC so its clock to clock a bit faster. Also useing the fastest possible A64 settings makes some difference compared to 'stock 2-2-2-5' settings. DX 8.1 might be faster than 9.0c etc etc :) I think your running with pretty ok settings there.
I got 30k at 230x10 (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/30008_2300f.gif) too btw (card was OCed a bit thou) ;)

And its not very cold here yet - temps are in the +5c..+10C zone. Living in Helsinki (near the sea) is not the optimal location for winter aircooled OCs in Finland :D But the winter is coming soon there's no doubt about it!

[PCBliss]

Very simple

---->lod bias range adjustment.....

+3

.... :banana:

You guys still consider it a valid run with this enabled? But nulling is not allowed?

[STEvil]

pretty much gotta, its the only thing that keeps nV competative.


jk ;)

[zakelwe]

We've been considering it valid for 2 years so no reason to change now .....

you have to to tweak and do lots of runs to find the best permutation, mind you if ATi v nvidia at the very top was oh so close then it might be a valid question.

Regards

Andy

[sky]

where's the limit for lodbias then? 3, 7, 15?? i mean come on. even at 3 it looks disgusting - nothing compared to what i was used to on ati cards before. tried 7 once and it's like, yeah there's something on the screen moving.. try this with 3d2k5.. bwaaaah.
[...]
hm, scratching my head now. winni 3.5k + msi.. sounds like a nice gift come next month :D

[Garrett]

Hehe... true, LOD bias 3 or more does look disgusting, but does wonderful things to your Nature scores ;)

btw, gonna get me some 939 luvin' too sky, including the winny and the msi k8n neo2 :)
wish me luck ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

Thats why im going winchester, its at least 100MHz faster than newcastle. for an x800xt, 100MHz can mean 800-1000 marks more. some dude needed 240x11 on the newcastle to barely scrape by 30k and he had low latency ram and win2k, albet s754, but this shows 2.3GHz s939 winchester=2.64 s754 newcastle! more than 300MHz faster! this is also why I upgraded my 2.6GHz newcastle, my winchester will effortlessly crush it even if it cant do 2.6GHz and s939 provides a direct upgrade path unlike dead end s754.

[Garrett]

I hear you GF4 :toast:
I Just hope that the MSI I'll get (K8N Neo2 Platinum) works correctly with my OCZ 520 PSU ;)
( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=45279 )
I can't wait... must....overclock... :slobber:

[PCBliss]

yeah ive got what is hopefully a new revision MSI board on the way to me to replace my A8V and match up with my winchester 3000+.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I may be interested in your a8v mobo if it has working pci/agp locks, see my wanted post

[PCBliss]

yeah its got working locks. im running 282x9 on my winchester at 1.55v

[Geforce4ti4200]

I will discuss this more in pms, dont want to stray this thread off topic.

[QuadDamage]

3500+ is slower than CH 3400+ 1MB L2 by quite a few marks so i don't know hwere you get your mhz vs. mhz numbers.

[DrJay]

3500+ is slower than CH 3400+ 1MB L2 by quite a few marks so i don't know hwere you get your mhz vs. mhz numbers.

....he makes them up.

[macci]

3500+ is slower than CH 3400+ 1MB L2 by quite a few marks so i don't know hwere you get your mhz vs. mhz numbers.
According to ORB CH @230x10 is 219Marks faster than Winny at 230x10. CH is faster in drago low and car low (more L2 cache), winny a bit faster in lobbys (DC mem) and car hi (faster L2 cache?).

[DrJay]

So, Macci. Would you say that these things affect A64 performace in the following order of importance / magnitude:
1. Larger L2 cache
2. Dual channel
3. Winchester core improvements
?????????

Jay

EDIT: I mean for 3dmark01 /05 perf.

[Godmyster]

Macci qhat Serive Pack are u using in win2000? i installed SP4 and ricky/rocha tweak only gave me 250mark i went from 30040marks to 30287 :( pretty strange...

[QuadDamage]

According to ORB CH @230x10 is 219Marks faster than Winny at 230x10. CH is faster in drago low and car low (more L2 cache), winny a bit faster in lobbys (DC mem) and car hi (faster L2 cache?).

Yep but i think GFTI4200 was reffering to 3500+ NC which isn't any faster than CH in Lobby's and it's definately slower in Drago's as you said. To be honest i haven't really played with a Winny yet, just a few runs on ATI based mobo's and stock 6800 GT PCI-E.

[eva2000]

very nice Macci could you do a run with cpu at 11x 246mhz with card @ 602/605 ? want to compare with my 32,470 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8242435) :)

[macci]

Eva,
Found a 33056 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8223650) @ 2685, 244x11 from my project manager. Card is at 648/621 thou but it gives some idea :) Take 276Marks off (Nature difference) and its very close to 602/605 run.

[Hallowed]

Curious macci:

Which HAL's are available to A64's?

MPS Uniproc / Multiproc wont work on K7 based systems, and I was wondering if A64's could run them and if there were other benefits to be had.

It seems multiproc HAL only boosts 300 points or so on a healthy, clean install, whereas A64 owners are eclipsing 700-800.

However, that may be easily explained due to the fact A64's are literally getting almost twice the score of a Barton (42K vs 25K) and if it were a precentile increase, the ratio would hold.

If only someone could do a HAL bench-fest... :D

[CarNabY]

Macci...is very incredible your Video Card!!! :slobber: :slobber:
My bad x800xt 560/600 to air. 650/600 to water and 730/630 under prometeia. X800XT PE Full mod!! :(
Which voltages use for x800 ?
Thanks

[macci]

Hallowed, MPS works on A64.
Carnaby, for top aircooled clocks (688/632) I've used 1.8V GPU and 0.1V overvolt on mem.

[blinky]

Hallowed, MPS works on A64.
Carnaby, for top aircooled clocks (688/632) I've used 1.8V GPU and 0.1V overvolt on mem.do you boost both voltages .1v?

viperjohn was sayin how these sammsung gddr3 chips like to have their vddq a little higher than vdd, even tho samsung spec says that the vdd should be higher than vddq. but ati runs the vddq a little higher stock cuz they know whats right for the mem. so mebe if u raise both .1v that would be even better than just raising the vdd .1v

just wondering :D

[QuadDamage]

MPS Uniproc / Multiproc wont work on K7 based systems, and I was wondering if A64's could run them and if there were other benefits to be had.

MPS doesn't work here.

[eva2000]

Eva,
Found a 33056 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8223650) @ 2685, 244x11 from my project manager. Card is at 648/621 thou but it gives some idea :) Take 276Marks off (Nature difference) and its very close to 602/605 run.
thanks mate.. these X800XT PE are awesome.. tonight was the first time i've seen 710+ fps in 3d2k1 hehe :cool:

[macci]

Winny ain't bad in Mark05 either :D

#2 in the ORB now hehe :D
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/orbtop2.gif
first run

Gotta see if I can hit 700 core aircooled once I put the system outdoors :D

[macci]

Still benching indoors :D
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/7311_air.gif (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/7311.gif)

Highest aircooled 3dmark05?
only 672/631 card clocks, and silly low CPU OC

[macci]

Hell one more bench indoors :D

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/7443.gif
CompareURL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=305432)
690/636 card clocks

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/rig_1.jpg
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/rig_2.jpg

And I'm going to throw the whole rig out there next:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/outdoors.jpg

Hopefully the Winchester can take the cold :D

[CarNabY]

Hell one more bench indoors :D

And I'm going to throw the whole rig out there next:
http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/outdoors.jpg

Hopefully the Winchester can take the cold :D

HAHAHAHaA which temperature you have has it outside?

[macci]

Around -5C I'd guess :D it will be colder in the evening ;)

[zakelwe]

I remember my last visit to Helsinki for work a few years ago, my colleague had to dig her old Volvo out of the snow after we had been on site all day then when she got to the bus station turned the corner on the snow, the back end swung out and she just applied opposite lock and then pulled up perfectly accurate at my bus stop. :D Hilkka was about 50 as well.

Looking forward to results macci, shame you are not up in the north, didn't it get to -47C a couple of years ago ?

Regards

Andy

[Zeus]

Very nice macci, second place with just air. :toast:

Wondering what this "chilled air" will do.

GL

[macci]

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/7557.gif (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/7557f.gif)
(click fullscreen)
Card at 702/645 aircooled :)
cpu at 2550MHz only thanks to SATA drives which didn't seem to like higher clock. benching w/ IDE drives only would probably give enough extra cpu clock to reach 7600 on air.
haven't been able to upload the result yet cos my 3dmark05 gives an error (http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/error.gif) when I try to start it up (even at default clocks) - same goes to internet explorer and mark03 - everything else works just nicely thou :D already tried reinstalling mark05 (deleted all the folder and reg entrys before installing again) but it didn't help. wierd stuff.

[FX Freak]

702/645 aircooled :slobber:
what cooler do you use?
how much voltage has you card on the GPU/MEM?
what is the maximum aircooled with your 3500+ winchester?

[macci]

Check previous posts (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=591379#post591379) for card cooling (alpha pal8942) :)
Volts: 1.82/2.17/2.26
I've ran this winny at 2720ish for SuperPi 1M aircooled in normal room temp - 2846MHz w/ +15C watercooling and max volts (1.776V). So 2.8G shouldn't be a problem w/ cold air.

[Kanavit]

very nice Macci, i have the same case!

[bachus_anonym]

i have just one question for you Macci...
so is it 100% clear that S939 512kb Winnie will outperform S754 1mb Clawhammer @ e.g. 2700Mhz for both CPUs?
is dual channel and "fastest cache -although just half of it compared to S754 CH" good enough?

EDIT: i'm asking as on my native forums i've seen guys hitting 270-274Mhz on their BH-5/BH-6 mems @ 11-2-2-2.0 and i'm not sure if S939 Winnie is going to like BH-5/6 mem this much. it would most likely require about 300-310Mhz on TCCD @ 8-3-3-2.5.... which is not that easy...

[dutchman.pt]

Very nice Macci, wonderful Winchester you got there.
Go for the outdoor benches. :toast:

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/rig_2.jpg

What is this blue thing with the orange fans?
It camed with the Thermaltake case or have you bought it? :)
Tks.

[eva2000]

Check previous posts (http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=591379#post591379) for card cooling (alpha pal8942) :)
Volts: 1.82/2.17/2.26
I've ran this winny at 2720ish for SuperPi 1M aircooled in normal room temp - 2846MHz w/ +15C watercooling and max volts (1.776V). So 2.8G shouldn't be a problem w/ cold air.
i got 2x Alpha 8942T heatsinks lying around hehe.. any pics/guide on how you modded those heatsinks ? :)

[FallenAngel]

Very nice Macci, wonderful Winchester you got there.
Go for the outdoor benches. :toast:
What is this blue thing with the orange fans?
It camed with the Thermaltake case or have you bought it? :)
Tks.

it came with the thermaltake case, I got the same

Força Benfiquista...

[Playful_Buffalo]

^ I think its the Xaser series

[TodB]

Just a though about the low temp Winchester problem....

I'm seeing only the MSI board when the people complain about the low temp problem.. is there anyone, that have tried sub zero temps with a Mobo other than the MSI??

'Cuz I got here one Abit AV8 and was wondering.... it won't run 3D past 270FSB, but for tha sake of testing.... I'm about to throw it under the LS... :)

3000+ Winchester here.... running 2700MHz/1.5V with Zalman 7000AlCu...

[s e t h]

maaci - please post the vddq measuring point. i'm unable to find it and it seems you know where it is
thanks

[FallenAngel]

Just a though about the low temp Winchester problem....

I'm seeing only the MSI board when the people complain about the low temp problem.. is there anyone, that have tried sub zero temps with a Mobo other than the MSI??

'Cuz I got here one Abit AV8 and was wondering.... it won't run 3D past 270FSB, but for tha sake of testing.... I'm about to throw it under the LS... :)

3000+ Winchester here.... running 2700MHz/1.5V with Zalman 7000AlCu...

I think the new bios solve the problem for MSI mobo :
'pc ice' thread (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=606416#post606416)

[dutchman.pt]

it came with the thermaltake case, I got the same

Força Benfiquista...

Thanks for the answer. :)

Benfica rocks. :toast:

[macci]

flytek, check here (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=194]Radeon) for instance.

btw, running FX55 is not fair - it almost kills the winny without overclocking :D

FX55
X800XT PE
1GB BH5
all default clocks:

32185 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8266139)

[blinky]

flytek, check here (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=194]Radeon) for instance.

btw, running FX55 is not fair - it almost kills the winny without overclocking :D

FX55
X800XT PE
1GB BH5
all default clocks:

32185 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8266139)wtffffff, thats just crazy!!!!!

[zakelwe]

flytek, check here (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=194]Radeon) for instance.

btw, running FX55 is not fair - it almost kills the winny without overclocking :D

FX55
X800XT PE
1GB BH5
all default clocks:

32185 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8266139)

I get the feeling there will be a big score soon.

Regards

Andy

[Bennah]

OH, that is very nice.

[FX Freak]

flytek, check here (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=194]Radeon) for instance.

btw, running FX55 is not fair - it almost kills the winny without overclocking :D

FX55
X800XT PE
1GB BH5
all default clocks:

32185 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8266139)

very good, 40k on the way?

[macci]

Yea I guess 40k shouldn't be a big problem. Tested the chip on certain RS480 board w/ only 1.7V and it hit 3350MHz w/ dryice.

[gbglassen]

Yea I guess 40k shouldn't be a big problem. Tested the chip on certain RS480 board w/ only 1.7V and it hit 3350MHz w/ dryice.

How are those boards?!! care to share your impressions? :)

[Formann]

"RS480 board "

Wtf? i didn't know you already could get them...
ATI chipset ??

anyway yeah how does it run? :)


Thats right.. you (we) cant. Macci can ... :stick: :mad: :p:

[macci]

"Heres An Air Cooled Run From Jason Macci He Said Try And Top It"
625/621 xt clocks air cooling 1.55v

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8229566

Click for Large Pic
http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/wrairsmall.jpg (http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/wrair.jpg)

Done :D
Ambient temp +22C

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/36_fullair_fills.gif

Compare URL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8272614)

I left some room for improvement (CPU only 2767) ;)
Useing the Gigabyte board now again w/ F3 BIOS and its just as fast as the MSI. For some reason I can now reach way higher card mem clocks. Used to start light artifact w/ aircooling (normal ambient) at 630ish now its doing that at 670ish :D
Cascade should give another +20MHz over aircooling too..

[blinky]

Done :D
Ambient temp +22C

[img]http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/36_fullair_fills.gif/img]

Compare URL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8272614)

I left some room for improvement (CPU only 2767) ;)
Useing the Gigabyte board now again w/ F3 BIOS and its just as fast as the MSI. For some reason I can now reach way higher card mem clocks. Used to start light artifact w/ aircooling (normal ambient) at 630ish now its doing that at 670ish :D
Cascade should give another +20MHz over aircooling too..
that mem clock is insane, why do u think u can clock so high? most everyone maxes out around 650-660

[gbglassen]

great stuff Macci.
If you can talk about it, I still would like to know about the new ATI chipset boards:)

[twilius_basic]

Macci that 36K air-co rox :D Exactly how much does that FX have left in it? :)

[FallenAngel]

great stuff Macci.
If you can talk about it, I still would like to know about the new ATI chipset boards:)

I know isn't Macci but at least can feed your curiosity

Anandtech.com (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2269)

HardOCP.com (http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njg1)

THG (http://www6.tomshardware.com/motherboard/20041108/index.html)

[thomas66]

which gigabyte did you use macci - did i miss something i though you were on msi board?

[misteroadster]

Done :D
Ambient temp +22C

http://www.akiba-pc.com/939/36_fullair_fills.gif

Compare URL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8272614)

I left some room for improvement (CPU only 2767) ;)
Useing the Gigabyte board now again w/ F3 BIOS and its just as fast as the MSI. For some reason I can now reach way higher card mem clocks. Used to start light artifact w/ aircooling (normal ambient) at 630ish now its doing that at 670ish :D
Cascade should give another +20MHz over aircooling too..
:toast: , F3/CH roxx ;)

[thomas66]

which gigabyte did you use macci - did i miss something i though you were on msi board?


the pronounciation in my question was on "which" maybe i didnt asked clearly

[misteroadster]

K8NS-Ultra i think.

[STEvil]

maybe the msi handles side band addressing differently than the gigabyte? Seems that is what was affecting memory clocks on another setup or two that I remember in the distant past.. could be wrong though ;)

[misteroadster]

My friend niaboc got MSI , he noticed , with the MSI and ATI optimisation enabled , he couldn't hit the same frequency then with ATI opti disabled.