Lots of 6800NU Records Taken Tonight

[Kunaak]

my 6800 NU here just seems to be getting better and better.
when I first got it, it was clocking at about 445/1170 tops.
now after tons of mods, and cooling and switching thermal pads and such, I can top it out at 492/1290 one a cold night, with watercooling alone.

I wanted to focus completly on 3dmark 2003, cause I was kinda pissed about this fake bugged score that was at the top of the charts for the 6800, and I can come within about 50 points of beating it on watercooling alone...
but with my CPU and GPU cooled from one watercooling system, it's hard to get my 10x270 cas 2-2-2-5 stable, and get the videocard to it's top...
cause the CPU is putting out tons of heat, and so is the GPU... so I couldn't break the fakers score, with watercooling alone.
but that didn't mean I was about to give up ;)

tonight I grabbed some dry ice from my local safeway and rebuilt my watercooling so only the GPU was on there, opend all windows for a nice cold night in alaska, and headed off with one goal- to take down the fakers score, with a real legit score, XS style :D

on my first try, I demolished the fakers score, by over 600 points.
but good, is never good enough, I wanted alittle more.
I finally topped out at about 15,100+
thats pretty damn good start I think.
I was just happy to know I had taken down the fakers top score, and replaced it with something real, that was my only goal.
but only half way through my supply of dry ice, I have a sloppy try at aquamark 3, and did 83K, and after that I didn't want to bother with it anymore, I wanted to see what 3dmark2001se would do :D

well, I am far from a good benchmark set up for 3dmark2001se.
my drivers are all DX9C optimized, I am on windows Xp, and this "multi" processor hack is killing my dry ice temps by over 20C.

the last time I used dry ice on this set up, I was at a solid -48c at 3.2 ghz.
with this CPU driver trick, I was at -30C with only 3 ghz (12x250)

so lesson learned, next time, don't bother with the multi CPU trick.
it's not worth it for me alone.

well-even though I was on a crappy OS, and set up for 2001se, I still wanted to try it.

32k was easy.
so I tweaked alittle, pushed the ram alittle, and got 32,400, and that was good enough for now. I didn't want to focus on 3dmark2001se, if I had Windows XP installed. so I'll save that for next time... without the Multi CPU tweak.

overall, it was a good night.
killed a fakers 6800 score, took the top in 2003, and 2001se, and with my 2005 score, that means all 3 catagories are now mine, atleast... for the moment ;)

links to all my best scores, like always, is in my sig.

[Dissolved]

Looking good there bro, a few tweaks & mhz and possibly 33k :D

But ill wait for the 3dmark masta to pop-in and give us all some worthy advice.

[Kunaak]

I am pretty sure, if I focused only on 2001se, and only used DX8.1 and 6145, no multi processor tweak, ran each test one by one, and used windows 2000 pro, I could probably squeeze another 1000 out of this machine.
but 2001se wasn't really my goal tonight, 2003, and the fakers score was.

but now that you got me thinking of 33k, kinda gets my mind going...
I'll save that for a few days. I am tired from benchmarking tonight.
sometimes I feel like I am gonna have a heart attack just sitting there watching the screen, saying "please god just let this one pass".
I had my fill of that for atleast a few days.

maybe next weekend I'll try for 33k.

[sky]

kunaak, great stuff!
but how come you had to lose ~50mhz on the gfx-mem with 2k1? there's something to gain i guess. run it one at a time and let it cool.. should give you the edge!

[Kunaak]

my 2001 runs were complete runs.
not test by test. no clock changes per test.
it's a straight run at 480/1230.
dragothic high doesn't like my high mem speeds past 1240.
anything higher and it just freezes.

[Dissolved]

use a small hdd, and run a os per benchmark...

windows installs only take 15mins, but you can configure each partition per-benchmark.

just what i would do if i actually had a system worth it, the time, and the skillz

[dpa]

the card is modded to 16 pipes, right?

I managed 14.8k on air with my U card.. running 470/1380Mhz..

your core clock looks sweeeeeet.. ;)

what waterclock are you using on the 6800 card? I have one here myself and ofcourse it dont fit right.. the mem are to high and the core makes lousy contact to the block.. (aquagrafx 6800)

temps on the core btw? have you vmodded it? (I vmodded mine, but on air the 1.56v i got didnt help @ all..) I run 1.5v 24/7 here.

Good luck with your benching!

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3293914

[Kunaak]

yes the card is modded with 16 pipelines.
basically... everything in my PC is modded in one way or another.

the waterblock is a MCW50, with 1/2 inch barbs and little else.

the temps on the core are usually about 40C regaurdless of the voltage I use.
yes, my card is also volt modded on the core.
I can get up to about 1.73 volts so far for my card.
on air, the volt mod was useless though, didn't get me a single mhz more, just made my videocards OC's freeze faster. air cooling and volt mods for this card aren't a good combination.

[zakelwe]

:toast:

Excellent, first person past 15k on 3dmark03 as well and a deserved #1. I just hope that jackass does not cheat you further :(

Nice 2001 score as well. Too high for me at present. Pretty good going against 6800GT's as well, Shamino's dual cascade is too far beyond reach in the 6800U class though.

I guess the only word is

trifecta

:toast: :toast:

Regards

Andy

[Kanavit]

nice Kunaak, those are some sick scores! Did you use the Asus V9999 gamer's edition for those benchmarks? Is the water pumping through the gpu first , that would be my layout.

also, there is safeway in Alaska? i live in the east coast, and there is safeway here too, lol.

[Kunaak]

yes I use a Asus V9999GE.
I bought it before I heard about the EVGA 6800 Deal.
but doesn't really matter, the card modded perfectly to 16 pipe and all that.
and 492/1290 is nothing to complain about, when the card comes stock at 350/1000.
the Mem OC still just amazes me.

my watercooling always goes like this.

RES>Pump>Rad.>Block then back to the reservoir.
my reservoir is nothing more then a tupperware bucket with holes in it.
but it does the job. my Pump is basically being held together by Zipties and electrical tape, you'd really laugh if you saw this thing. but it's working... I think it's called a L30 or something like that.
my Radiator is one of them expensive ones from Dangerden, thermochill I think it's called.
the waterblock is a swiftech MCW50.
all my parts are second hand, or improvised, but the system all together does good.
basically, a good ghetto cooler for my videocard.

[twilius_basic]

Impressive results, as usual Kunaak :toast: Really, great scores for that harware ;) So would you say, it would be worth it to pay $400+ for the ASUS NU and mod it, rather than buy a straight 6800GT for ~$20 less?

[tictac]

is it possible to clock the card higher if we use subzero cooling?

[LardArse]

Nice goin man, glad to see someone working hard on the 6800NU :toast:

[dpa]

when I voltmodded my card the pot was useless.. I could turn it down to 10ohm an the voltage was the same.. (I used 1.3v bios)

it boost the volt for me up to about 1.57v idle and 1.55v load.. (the psu sucks..) so I had to flash with a new bios @ 1.4v to boost the core another 0.1v.. = 1.67v... iam gonna get med a new waterblock soon.. the fan on the card is just to noisy..

[Kunaak]

So would you say, it would be worth it to pay $400+ for the ASUS NU and mod it, rather than buy a straight 6800GT for ~$20 less?

well thats tough to say.
I wanted a card with 2 molex connections, to see if it really would help the OC.
theres no GT like that, only 2 6800's, and all the Ultras have that.
the chance that the card would not mod to 16 pipelines, is kinda high, so it was definatly a risk, and if your not willing to take a risk, the GT is a better buy.
so I have no definate answer.
I can just say for me, I thought it was worth it.

is it possible to clock the card higher if we use subzero cooling?

not usually, there seems to be a 25C limit for some reason on the 6800 series of cards.
I know of no way to get pas this limit.
I think these asus cards my be different though.
I have had this card as low as 17C with a 110 watt pelt, and it benchmarked just fine.
unfortunatly, 110 watt pelt didn't seem to be any better then water for the job, as the temps shot right up to 40C when the benchmark began, so I need a higher watt pelt, and real pelt PSU before I can confirm that these asus cards don't have the 25C barrier.

[Kanavit]

lol, i thought it was well worth it. I'm with Kunaak on this. Two molexes is better than one , for sure if you plan to o/c.

[charlie]

Kunaak,
Great work... that 6800 is quite impressive. For the money, it's probably the best GPU out right now....

C

[reject]

great work kunaak! :toast:
for 03, how much difference would cpu make? say if you were on air and running 2-2.4ghz with a 512k cahce. more then a couple hundred points?
ive got all hung up in 2k1 at the moment but its hopeless with my crappy cpu i can barely get 23k.
good to see nvidia is getting some action! :D

[Kunaak]

The CPU seems to make a big difference in the airplane test.
I always watch where for the second the benchmark hits the 10,000 frames mark.

at 2.5 ghz I hit 10k frames around 32 seconds, at 10x270 1:1 I hit 10K at about 27 seconds. so speed helps, but bandwidth helps just as much.
at 3.06 ghz I was hitting the 10,000 frame mark at a hair before 24 seconds.
so the CPU does make a rather signifigant improvement in the score, atleast, in my opinion it does.

[twilius_basic]

So would you say, it would be worth it to pay $400+ for the ASUS NU and mod it, rather than buy a straight 6800GT for ~$20 less?

well thats tough to say.
I wanted a card with 2 molex connections, to see if it really would help the OC.
theres no GT like that, only 2 6800's, and all the Ultras have that.
the chance that the card would not mod to 16 pipelines, is kinda high, so it was definatly a risk, and if your not willing to take a risk, the GT is a better buy.
so I have no definate answer.
I can just say for me, I thought it was worth it.

is it possible to clock the card higher if we use subzero cooling?

not usually, there seems to be a 25C limit for some reason on the 6800 series of cards.
I know of no way to get pas this limit.
I think these asus cards my be different though.
I have had this card as low as 17C with a 110 watt pelt, and it benchmarked just fine.
unfortunatly, 110 watt pelt didn't seem to be any better then water for the job, as the temps shot right up to 40C when the benchmark began, so I need a higher watt pelt, and real pelt PSU before I can confirm that these asus cards don't have the 25C barrier.

Thanks Kunaak :) I would've sprung for the ASUS V9999 GE/TD 256MB, but it wasn't in stock anywhere at all :( So I just bought the only 6800 GT that newegg had in stock, the PNY version. Cost me $414 too :mad: Damn these cards are expensive!

Well I hope I get a good clocker :D

[dwwalker14335]

The ASUS GE card cannot really be called a 6800 NU. Basically, it's a 6800 Ultra with 12 pipes and a low memory clock. They use one form factor for all their cards with 2 molexes. So, it is an Ultra card with disabled features. Enable those, and you really have more of an Ultra card. The regular NU's are hamstrung with 128 MB of DDR versus the ASUS 256 MB DDR3. So, not much of a fair competition. :)

The eVGA 6800 LE falls in this camp as well. You put an 1.5 or 1.4 V BIOS on those cards, and the Ultra is hiding no longer.

[twilius_basic]

The ASUS GE card cannot really be called a 6800 NU. Basically, it's a 6800 Ultra with 12 pipes and a low memory clock. They use one form factor for all their cards with 2 molexes. So, it is an Ultra card with disabled features. Enable those, and you really have more of an Ultra card. The regular NU's are hamstrung with 128 MB of DDR versus the ASUS 256 MB DDR3. So, not much of a fair competition.

The eVGA 6800 LE falls in this camp as well. You put an 1.5 or 1.4 V BIOS on those cards, and the Ultra is hiding no longer.

Yup, I agree :) I would've gone with either of those cards, but they are currently both AWOL :( So I had to go for a normal GT, which is still plenty :cool: I think.

[Kanavit]

hmm, i am having disappointing results with my V9999GE. can't seem to get past 432mhz core, however I can get 1200mhz memory. Should i upgrade the Bios to ultra? I am still using the original bios , which is same settings as ultra in vgpu ratings. here are my two overclocked test runs with the V9999 16x1,6vp: 421 / 1203 MHz (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1759984604), 432 / 1145 MHz (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=686242152). I've also heard that when enabling the masked pipes that can cause lower overclocking results, maybe that's why they sold it with 12x1, 5vp, because it's a bad pipe. Or my 430 watt PSU is not big enough to power the 2nd molex?

btw, Kunaak can you email the V9999 ultra bios.

[Kunaak]

The ASUS GE card cannot really be called a 6800 NU. Basically, it's a 6800 Ultra with 12 pipes and a low memory clock. They use one form factor for all their cards with 2 molexes. So, it is an Ultra card with disabled features. Enable those, and you really have more of an Ultra card. The regular NU's are hamstrung with 128 MB of DDR versus the ASUS 256 MB DDR3. So, not much of a fair competition.

The eVGA 6800 LE falls in this camp as well. You put an 1.5 or 1.4 V BIOS on those cards, and the Ultra is hiding no longer.

the card comes with 12 pipelines and 5 vertex shaders by default.
that makes it a 6800 NU.

even the lowest 6800 NU can be modded to run 16p and 6 Vs.
that doesn't automatically make them a different card.

just like way back when, you used to benchmark with the ti4200, there was versions with 4.0 NS ram, 3.6, 3.3 and even 2.8 NS I think... the ones with the faster ram always broke the records.
the same goes here.
the ones with the faster ram will be the ones breaking the records.

Kanavit, if you want a 6800 ultra bios, just look in Xtreme Mods > Xtreme Bios under the post "where to find various videocard bioses"

[dwwalker14335]

No disagreement here, just that the "other" NU's come with 128 MB of DDR RAM. And, while the core settings can be modded to the full 16/6 that the NV40 is capable of, the DDR is a whole other story. 256 MB of DDR3 makes a big difference. Most 6800 NU's cannot ever approach Ultra performance, modded BIOS and all, due the the RAM and power limitations. The ASUS GE can make it, since it is the standard GT form factor with an extra Molex. This card does not really fall into any category. NU core, GT RAM, Ultra Molexes for power. But, ASUS was smart at rigging the system. They know that these cards will fall into modders hands and open them up to the full potential without risking nVidia licensing. Nothing like seeing a V9999 GE getting 80 k on AM3. Now, that's marketing.

But, seeing it clock past most Ultra's is rather impressive. In fact, I think Kunnak's card has clocked beyond a ton of ASUS Ultra's as well.

[charlie]

can you just buy a 6800gt and solder a 4 pin molex connector to the pcb? The solder pads are there :D

C

[Kunaak]

I don't know.
I looked into that idea as well.
cause it does look like it should work, and I would say the second molex definatly helps me OC my 6800.
I tried one molex and I lost about 20 mhz on the core and about 10 mhz on the ram.

[highspeed]

WOW those scores are awesome!!! I cant believe that you can run 492/1284, that is just plain sick! :cool:

That asus card seems like a killer. It have exact the same clock speed as a gt at stock 350/1000. Why did i bought a crappy GT? :( The highest i can go is 414/1217. And i tried to flash the bios with more volt but that didnt help at all. :(

Are you running a ultra bios? And how did you get 1.73 volt on your card? And how much volt did you use at those benches?

Is that asus card using different ddr3 memories then gt cards?

[Kanavit]

I downloaded an the original Asus 6800ultra bios from Eva2000. And well, Windows xp sees it as an ultra now.

6800 ultra bios
66583 (425/1100) (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=1021798360) -cpu not overclocked!

6800 bios
65164(432/1145) (http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=686242152)

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/1967/Nvidia6800ultra.jpg
http://img91.exs.cx/img91/8339/nvidia6800bios.jpg

[uclajd]

is it possible to clock the card higher if we use subzero cooling?

not usually, there seems to be a 25C limit for some reason on the 6800 series of cards.

I know of no way to get pas this limit. Kunaak,

Do you have an update on this 25C limit issue? :confused:

And I'd like to hear how a 172W pelt would do on it.

[Kunaak]

nope none that I know of.

all I can say is... Asus cards don't have this issue as far as I can tell.
my card had no problem at all running at 10C with a 110 watt pelt and cold winter night about a month ago.

I no longer own a 6800... but I know my Asus had no issues with being cold, neither did Shaminos or I heard Highway man has a Asus one that also had no issues with being cold.

I know of no other brand of 6800 like this.
Asus always makes things very different then thier competitors.
the 6800 I had, had a core tempteture reading, a voltage reading for the core, AGP and the ram. it had tempeture readings for the ram (yes the ram of the videocard) and a few other things that were distinctivly "asus".
I think asus also went to the point of making thier cards use different thermal sensors then other brands...

cause flashing your card with a Asus bios, won't do the trick.
atleast, it did nothing for me with my EVGA 6800 which did have the cold block.

so nope, no way I know of around this...
just buy an Asus is all I can say if you want to super cool a 6800.
other then that, I heard nothing about any way to pass the cold problem.

[uclajd]

So how did LardArse get around it with this bench (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7940445)?

[Kunaak]

ask him, not me...

[LardArse]

At first I didn't think the Asus cards I've had had cold issues, but I did encounter it. The trick is to know when to turn on the coolers, you can't let parts of the cards get too cold.

[sky]

does that work with other 6800-based cards as well or just with the asus cards you used?