Rick+Pedro tweaked fx53+x800xt pe 29k stock!!

[S_I_N]

Its not socket 939 ;) but with the help of A64 tweaker and the R+P Tweak this sure feels like one and have made a huge jump over the Old win2000 install :)


asus sk8v
940pin fx53
2x512 pc3200re ll corsair
12x200
520/560 xt clocks

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8222909

Click for Large Pic

http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/ricky%2Bpedrosmall.jpg (http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/ricky%2Bpedro.JPG)

[pik-ard v1.1]

how exactly do you change it to multiprocessor pc?

very nice score for stock. how high can it go? ;)

[Bennah]

Yea. Very Intresting :D

[sky]

oh c'mon, just enter the dev.manager - it isn't that hard... 30secs incl. reboot. working the way you change any driver

[Geforce4ti4200]

nature is 10fps low though

[rick_fx]

How do we change the drivers?

[pik-ard v1.1]

oh c'mon, just enter the dev.manager - it isn't that hard... 30secs incl. reboot. working the way you change any driver
yea, i do that, and i dont see any option to change something to multiprocessor pc...

[rick_fx]

Maybe uninstall some acpi features under "system devices"

[blinky]

come on this is gettin too easy

let him poke around for himself :D

[craig588]

yea, i do that, and i dont see any option to change something to multiprocessor pc...

http://img104.exs.cx/img104/5835/rickytweakc.jpg
Notice the option outlined? (If you can't get here its time to go back to AOL)

[pik-ard v1.1]

yea, i do that, and i dont see any option to change something to multiprocessor pc...
.... :stick:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18910

[craig588]

uncheck the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing box!

[pik-ard v1.1]

makes no difference

[craig588]

hmm, thats really weird. Do you have SP4 on? All of the windows updates?

[pik-ard v1.1]

oh no... thats a b*tch...

opp got it working on server 2003...

other people have it working on win2k...

but i cant get it working on winXP... i feel ripped off...

[Geforce4ti4200]

nature is pratically all gpu and ive seen 260fps nature on slower cps than what he has. nature should not suffer 10fps on any a64 over 2GHz. macci got 262 nature at 230x10 on his winchester! as for the ricky tweak which has to do with acpi, I dont think it works under winxp or if it does, makes no difference. all the more reason to love win2k

[di_entropy]

ricky acpi tweak worked fine under WINXP SP1 for me.. gained 2-5fps in all tests with my crappy radeon 8500 :)

[bldegle2]

it is a snap, real easy.

runningwith XP Pro and SP2/

will run some tests later and see if it made a differnce.

baldy :D

[pik-ard v1.1]

well then im obviously looking in the wrong place... :(

care to point me in the right direction?

[Pedro Rocha]

Someday I will tell you all how that tweak was discovered, until them we are pleased that you all at XS employ the tweak and achieve fantastic results ..have fun on bench that's the essence of it :) :)

Pedro & Ricky :toast:

[di_entropy]

thanks pedro

very nice of the big top guys sharing the knowledge with us :)


pikard: it seems that you are in the right place but i dont know why it's not showing all the other ACPI options for you.. no idea sorry but keep poking around and see if you can find it.. maybe try load the driver off WINXP cd?

[mcnbns]

I got the tweak working and, I must say, it rocks! At the same settings of some of my other runs (except for the tweak) I gained 200 points in 2001SE. Thanks, Ricky and Pedro!

[craig588]

I gained 700 points from it and it allowed me to break 33K.

[pik-ard v1.1]

i had to try and load them off the winXP cd JUST to get as far as i did... :(

will anyone with winXP please help me figure this out?

[rick_fx]

In device manager, click on computer --> acpi uniprocessor PC --> update driver --> choose "install from a list or specific location" --> then choose "Don't search. I will choose the driver to install". It should be first in the list. I'm using xp pro sp1.

http://www.savepic.com/freepicturehosting/is.php?i=281795&img=8946Snap1.jpg

[pik-ard v1.1]

doing all that just brings me to this screen:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18910

and i am using winXPpro SP1

i suppose it just doesnt work for my processor... :(

[Sancho]

Same with my athlon xp. Oh well.

[pik-ard v1.1]

ok... so an a64 only tweak. so long as it doesnt mean off to AOL for me... ;)

[craig588]

Acctually I ment if you couldn't get to the screen to update your drivers, if the driver is missing that's a whole different story.

[pik-ard v1.1]

yea, thats why all this doesnt mean its off to AOL for me. ;)

[bachus_anonym]

doing all that just brings me to this screen:
and i am using winXPpro SP1
i suppose it just doesnt work for my processor... :(
to be honest with you guys this tweak is totally nothing new...
as to your problem, pik-ard v1.1, you only get those two options for a simple reason:
when you were installing Windows you had an option in BIOS called "APIC" set as DISABLED... usually by default it is ENABLED. in that case after installing Winows you get all the options - as other guys get...
the only way to change it now is to reinstall Windows and make sure that APIC (not ACPI) option is EDIT:ENABLED...

at least on the NF2 platform APIC Enabled (ACPI Uniprocessor or Multiprocessor) has bad influence on stability but gives quite a boost in 3dmark01 and Sandra...

[macci]

And there goes 33k w/ aircooled (+24C) Winchester rig :D

Winny + X800XT PE:
33056 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8223650)

Man I love T3h Tweak - and A64Tweaker of course :D

[CTKP]

Macci what psu are you using?

my OC seems pretty low and am trying to narrow down what the problem is
- sorry for being OT

[Sancho]

Ahhh its an apic thing? Yeah I disabled that so I would stop getting mouse/keyboard freezes. Actually I didnt notice any hit to 3dmark01 when I disabled it

[blinky]

doing all that just brings me to this screen:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18910

and i am using winXPpro SP1

i suppose it just doesnt work for my processor... :(i get the same thing on my winXP, with mobile barton, its weird cuz i was pretty sure i had APIC enabled in bios, but now.. im on a crap kt266 mobo, but... wait... that must be why i had to repair windows, because this board prolly doesnt have APIC or something.

whatever :D

[blinky]

so how many points exactly does this give?

[bachus_anonym]

on nforce2 it could give you up to 300-400 3dmarks. sandra bandwidth goes up about 20mb/s.... the only drawback is that at least on nf2 it's really difficult to maintain stability at very high FSB...

[Geforce4ti4200]

And there goes 33k w/ aircooled (+24C) Winchester rig :D

Winny + X800XT PE:
33056 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8223650)

Man I love T3h Tweak :D



wow god that is a sick score for air cooling! I cant believe the IPC of winchesters, your only 80MHz higher than me but over 20fps ahead of me in car high and miles ahead in both lobbies! I really need a winchester now :D
that and use the ricky tweak ;)

[Zeus]

C'mon guys, remove your give away postings and keep this tweak exclusive to XtremeSystems. ;)

[DCR]

I tried this and ran '03 with Win2k and didn't see an increase.

[Geforce4ti4200]

you gotta run 2001, 2003 sucks cause its very gpu limited so you might not see more than 10-20 marks gain but in 2001 it could be several 100!

[DCR]

That would explain it...but hell, I'll take 10-20 points now.

[r3b0rN]

i dont think it would give an increase in 03 score? just a system dependant bench like 01? but im used to being wrong, so hit me with all u got :banana:

[_zZz_]

guys.. u should read this :
HAL Options After Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 Setup

This article describes Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) options you can use after you run Windows XP Setup or Windows Server 2003 Setup.
MORE INFORMATION
Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 Device Manager list all the supported HAL options in a list when you click Update Driver. Unsupported options are not available. Microsoft Windows 2000 Device Manager permits you to select any HAL type. If you select an incorrect HAL, you may not be able to start Windows 2000, or you may have other issues.

When you install the following HALs on a Windows XP-based or Windows Server 2003-based computer, the following device manager HAL options appear:
"Standard PC", Non-ACPI PIC HAL (Hal.dll)
• Standard PC

"MPS Uniprocessor PC", Non-ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halapic.dll)
• Standard PC
• MPS Uniprocessor
• MPS Multiprocessor

"MPS Multiprocessor PC", Non-ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmps.dll)
• Standard PC
• MPS Multiprocessor

"Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC", ACPI PIC HAL (Halacpi.dll)
• Standard PC
• Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC

"ACPI Uniprocessor PC", ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halaacpi.dll)
• Standard PC
• Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
• ACPI Uniprocessor
• ACPI Multiprocessor

"ACPI Multiprocessor PC", ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmacpi.dll)
• Standard PC
• Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC
• ACPI Multiprocessor
• MPS Multiprocessor

Notes
1. A common symptom when deploying the incorrect image to a computer is that the Sysprep image stops responding on restart or reports a
Stop 0x0000007b
error message.
2. If an incorrect HAL is forced during Setup or by using a System Preparation Image (Sysprep), you can see the correct list of HALs only if you perform a new installation of Windows XP or Windows Server 2003. You cannot change to a HAL other than what is listed in Device Manager.
3. Device Manager does not permit the change from a Non-ACPI HAL to an ACPI HAL. You must use a new install of Windows XP or Windows Server 2003 for this type of change. Change from an ACPI HAL to a Non-ACPI HAL only for troubleshooting purposes.
4. On Windows XP and later, the ACPI Uniprocessor HAL and the MPS Uniprocessor HAL recognize the existence of more than one processor and report the MP ID. Plug and Play detects that the computer devnode's hardware ID list has changed and moves the devnode back through the "found new hardware" detection process. As a result, when you add a second processor the MP files (HAL and kernels) are automatically installed, and you do not have to manually update the driver in Device Manager.
5. Microsoft does not support running a HAL other than the HAL that Windows Setup would normally install on the computer. For example, running a PIC HAL on an APIC computer is not supported. Although this configuration may appear to work, Microsoft does not test this configuration and you may have performance and interrupt issues. Microsoft also does not support swapping out the files that are used by the HAL to manually change HAL types.
6. Microsoft recommends that you switch HALs for troubleshooting purposes only or to workaround a hardware problem.
7. When you create a Sysprep image, the image must contain the correct HAL type for the target computer. The following list describes the computers that you can deploy a particular Sysprep image to based on the HAL type in the source computer: • You can deploy a Sysprep image created on a computer that uses a Standard PC, Non-ACPI PIC HAL (Hal.dll) to a computer that uses the following HAL types: • Standard PC, Non-ACPI PIC HAL (Hal.dll)

• You can deploy a Sysprep image created on a computer that uses an Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC, ACPI PIC HAL (Halacpi.dll) to a computer that uses the following HAL types: • Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) PC, ACPI PIC HAL (Halacpi.dll)

• You can deploy a Sysprep image created on a computer that uses a MPS Uniprocessor PC, Non-ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halapic.dll) to a computer that uses the following HAL types: • MPS Uniprocessor PC, Non-ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halapic.dll)
• MPS Multiprocessor PC, Non-ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmps.dll)

• You can deploy a Sysprep image created on a computer that uses a MPS Multiprocessor PC, Non-ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmps.dll) to a computer that uses the following HAL types: • MPS Multiprocessor PC, Non-ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmps.dll)
• MPS Uniprocessor PC, Non-ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halapic.dll)

• You can deploy a Sysprep image created on a computer that uses an ACPI Uniprocessor PC, ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halaacpi.dll) to a computer that uses the following HAL types: • ACPI Uniprocessor PC, ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halaacpi.dll)
• ACPI Multiprocessor PC, ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmacpi.dll)

• You can deploy a Sysprep image created on a computer that uses an ACPI Multiprocessor PC, ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmacpi.dll) to a computer that uses the following HAL types: • ACPI Multiprocessor PC, ACPI APIC MP HAL (Halmacpi.dll)
• ACPI Uniprocessor PC, ACPI APIC UP HAL (Halaacpi.dll)




http://support.microsoft.com/kb/309283

i had problems and :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed up my xp installation! because u cant change from a non acpi HAL to a Acpi Hal

but i used it on xp SP2 + 2500+ mobile@Nforce2

so becarefull.. and use it wisely :P

_zZz_

[L0$t Pr0PhEt]

ok... so an a64 only tweak. so long as it doesnt mean off to AOL for me... ;)

Works perfectly fine on my P4 2.66ghz and 2500+ :)

WinXP SP0 :p

[Mini]

wow god that is a sick score for air cooling! I cant believe the IPC of winchesters, your only 80MHz higher than me but over 20fps ahead of me in car high and miles ahead in both lobbies! I really need a winchester now :D
that and use the ricky tweak ;)

Sure that 9500np isnt slowing you down???

[sky]

uncheck the :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing box!
running xp i didn't even have that box. it was all compatible hardware on an xpm 2600+ - btw i think he's in the wrong item in dev.manager anyway :D

[M@ster]

Nice post _zZz_ Tk's

[S_I_N]

same stock setup 12x200 only this time small OC on the GPU
610/605 xt clocks air cooling 1.5v

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8224225

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http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/299small.jpg (http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/299.JPG)

all stock vs overclocked gpu
http://jason57.iwarp.com/255sk8v/ocvsstock.JPG

[twilius_basic]

Very sweet air-cooled score there Macci :D

[pik-ard v1.1]

running xp i didn't even have that box. it was all compatible hardware on an xpm 2600+ - btw i think he's in the wrong item in dev.manager anyway :D
try this...

In device manager, click on computer --> acpi uniprocessor PC --> update driver --> choose "install from a list or specific location" --> then choose "Don't search. I will choose the driver to install". It should be first in the list. I'm using xp pro sp1.

i was in the right item... :rolleyes:

@ bachus_anonym, i dont have that option in my bios, so im sticking with my belief that its my hardware. not a64 only, but i still think, given what i've seen thus far, that my hardware cant be made to do this tweak.

[bachus_anonym]

pik-ard v1.1 last thing you can try is this...
put windows install cd and start it up...
start a normal installation but when you see "Press F6 to install RAID" or sth like that, don't do that. press F5, as this will take you to HAL menu... you will see all the options as ACPI Uniprocessor, ACPI Multiprocessor, Standard PC, ACPI PC....
pick "ACPI Multiprocessor" and you're good to go...

[pik-ard v1.1]

i'll try all this when i finally get a copy of win2k(should be sometime soon... >_>) i have only winXP right now. ;)


though, i'd be a donkey's hoof if this motherboard supported RAID... so i wouldnt ever see that message, would i? (no raid controller either)

[twilius_basic]

Yup, even if you don't have RAID you should at least see the message for a couple seconds :)

[bachus_anonym]

i don't think it matters as F6 option is not only for installing RAID drivers but SCSI too... and mobo doesn't need to have RAID onboard... it could be on the add-on PCI card...
so this option is always gonna appear...
but remember, F5.....

also i think your hardware supports it as it seems that mainboard and BIOS as "ACPI capable"...

[|-jokker-|]

Great tweak and thank´s for the sharing .
I got a raise of 800 points :D
Cumps

[STEvil]

works on anything.

Anyone tested on an HT p4?

[urbanfox]

that's a nice stock lol

[johnnyliu3377]

Very accidental! :eek:
Socket 940 fx51 matches X800XT PE also to be able to be like this strong :slobber:

[cpulloverclock]

in acpi monoprocessor PC with my 3.6E (water cooled) is rock stable at 4175MHz and 1.40v
in acpi multiprocessor I cant do a screenshot at 4175MHz...


HT DISABLED

normal?

[STEvil]

if its running hotter, yes.

[cpulloverclock]

if its running hotter, yes.
no the temp is the same
38-41°C

I lose 300MHz!!!!!!!!!!

[STEvil]

well, seing as it gives a performance gain there has to be something its doing. The temp of my A64 was reading 45-48c load before, and now it reads 71-72c load, but its definately within 5c of the original temp... so there is something odd its doing for sure.

[blinky]

i think there should be a no OCing OCing contest, where u cant change cpu or gpu clock speeds, just have to tweak a lot

[mcnbns]

My max benching speed has decreased, too. 2767 used to be no problem for benching on my XP-M, but I think I may have to take it down to 2700 to maintain stability in benches. For my purposes it's still worth the decreased clock.

[cpulloverclock]

not good

[Skeet]

My Desktop 2500+ did the same too, before it died. :/