Feature filled MSI X700XT & PRO appear on web

[perkam]

More info in Graphics and other Programs Section

Perkam

[perkam]

Guess no one's buyin the X700 huh :p: :p: :p: ;)

[Geforce4ti4200]

the 9800pro is cheaper and just as fast. also x700s have 128 bit ram which sucks. they may be equal but overclock the 9800pro and its 256 bit ram will make it pull way ahead

[pik-ard v1.1]

does anyone know how far the x700 series will OC? i dont think so...

[Geforce4ti4200]

one review couldnt get the core over 500MHz. I know 9800pros start lower but a half decent 9800pro at like 450 core will crush a x700 cause itll have double the ram bandwith

[perkam]

the 9800pro is cheaper and just as fast

a half decent 9800pro at like 450 core will crush a x700 cause itll have double the ram bandwith

Uh Huh...So I guess NO ONE REALLY IS looking at correct X700 info, (and they called me an ATI fanboy - Sheesh)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/ati-radeon-x700-2/3dm_total.gif

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/sapphire-9800xt/game_gif/3dm_overall_1024.gif

That happens to be a Super OCed 9800 XT (256-bit) getting crushed to pieces by X700XT stock.

And BTW, Tom's Hardware Guide's VGA Chart IV here:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-04.html#3dmark_2003

...shows more vid cards under the X700XT just for reference.

THE OC abilities mentioned by you guys was from the reference cards and certainly did not represent the abilities of the retail card - which have are neither out yet nor have been reviewed.

I myself am surprised as to how close it gets to an 6800 standard for a fraction of the cost.

[Playful_Buffalo]

no way a 5950u at 600/1010 gets under 6k

and for the 9800XT, at 500/800 its more like 8k not 7k

drivers used?

[zakelwe]

Thew X700 looks to be a good card, however the best bang for the buch seems to be the 6600 ( not the GT version ). This seems to have the same core as the GT , ie it overclocks to 500+, but is crippled by crap memory .

So I am on the look out for one of the nvidia partners who has a brainwave and sticks really good memory on there. There is always one.

Now that would be a good bang per buck.

By the way I am completely confused by nvidia 6700.. is this a 6700 or 6800 or what ?

Yours puzzledly

Andy

[Geforce4ti4200]

no way a 5950u at 600/1010 gets under 6k

and for the 9800XT, at 500/800 its more like 8k not 7k

drivers used?



my point exactly. that 9800xt should be crushing the x700xt, not getting crushed by it. also 3dmark 2003 suffers very little loss going from 256 to 128 bit ram, but lets see how far ahead the 9800xt would be in 1600x1200 gaming with aa/af 128 bit wont come close!

[r3b0rN]

no point, the 9800 xt is useless at 1600x1200 4x aa 8x af.

[Geforce4ti4200]

not with a fast cpu and not in all games. doom3 yes, other games no way. by the way, nice 19k there. I see you upgraded your fx5900 to a 9800pro, nice upgrade in everything :) your close to what im scoring with mah ti4200 ;)

[saaya]

256bit memory is not THAT important, look at the 6600 cards, they are 128bit as well.. as long as your not using aa and af theres not such a big difference.

about the x700xt ocing... im very curious about that! the a1 silicon only did around 500, but ati said they will make a tuned a2 silicon fior the x700xt cards that should oc a lot high (they found something in the gpu that kept it from clocking higher bla bla) who knows if its true? id like to see how well the x700s oc! they are beeing made in 110nm, right?

so they are basically a 110nm r300 core with some improvements, should be interesting!

[pik-ard v1.1]

By the way I am completely confused by nvidia 6700.. is this a 6700 or 6800 or what ?

Yours puzzledly

Andy
well... it looks like whats happened, is instead of making a 6800u, finding out half the pipes dont work... then change it to a 6800nU, they are just making 8-pipe cards from the start... so its a new core, and so everyone thought it was gonna be a new name (6700), but since what they were making was already the same specs as the 6800nU, its gonna just be that, different core though...

[Shade00]

The 6700 is a 12-pipe card. It's basically a 6800nu for PCI-E.

[Geforce4ti4200]

can the 6700 be modded or does it start with 12 pipes from the ground?
as for 256 bit ram not being that important, try underclocking your ram to half the speed and see the performance impacts

[saaya]

can the 6700 be modded or does it start with 12 pipes from the ground?
as for 256 bit ram not being that important, try underclocking your ram to half the speed and see the performance impacts

underclocking the mmeory does not have the same effect as going from128bit to 256bit! ;)

as your tweaking a lot you should know this!

and i guess the 6700 (nv41) will just have 12 pipes.... wich makes me think what they are going to do with the ones that dont have 12 working pipes? sell them with 8 pipes as 6800se?

[perkam]

but lets see how far ahead the 9800xt would be in 1600x1200 gaming with aa/af 128 bit wont come close!

Your wish is my command :D :D :D

Poof !!

http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/video/ati-radeon-x700-2/metall_candy.gif

The above occurred in many of the games, with the X700XT ahead of the 9800 XT.

However, you DO have a good point GeforceTi4200. And I even saw it in the Xbit Labs preview of the X700XT. It happens to lose out to the XT in Halo, Painkiller, and FarCry but not by much. Considering that its the mainstream card and it doesnt have the 9800s 256 memory, thats not surprising. But to say that the 9800 pro is better can be easily disproved with MANY of the benchmarks: as will be seen when ATI releases the first X700XT 3dmark05 scores. So the answer to your question is Geforce, it comes very close the 256-bit card and is far from being destroyed by it.

Also, lets not forget what prices the 9800XT is going at right now compared to the X700XTs launch msrp of $199 (though probably 200-220 based on retailer).

EDIT: EDIT: Dang, I should know better than to double edit. But as for the OCability of the cards, ATI's final versions WILL be able to OC to at least 1200 Mhz memory.

Perkam

[perkam]

Hmmm...I should probably take back the thing about the 9800 pro's being crap seeing as eva2000 justed posted very interesting 3dmark01se result here:

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=44362

:eek: :eek: :eek:

FIY, the problem on the MSI website has been corrected and the X700XT from them will support HD versions of smoothvision, smartshader and videoshader. (Thx to some corrective e-mailing might I add :D :D ).

[Sheik]

I'm getting an X700Pro PCI-Express card to test this week. If there's anything you would like me to try let me know.

[r3b0rN]

not with a fast cpu and not in all games. doom3 yes, other games no way. by the way, nice 19k there. I see you upgraded your fx5900 to a 9800pro, nice upgrade in everything :) your close to what im scoring with mah ti4200 ;) yeah, next upgrade will be going A64, probably 754+3400 1mb.

[zakelwe]

and i guess the 6700 (nv41) will just have 12 pipes.... wich makes me think what they are going to do with the ones that dont have 12 working pipes? sell them with 8 pipes as 6800se?

If the 6800se/6700se is going to be 6700 with only 8 pipelines working then apart from the 256bit memory interface at 325-350Mhz it will be a lot slower than the 6600GT so will have to be very cheap, or it will be competing with it's little brother.

Regards

Andy

[pik-ard v1.1]

The 6700 is a 12-pipe card. It's basically a 6800nu for PCI-E.
oh, sorry. i ment 12 pipes... but it looks like its actually not going to be called the 6700, but the 6800.

[Kobalt]

gf4ti4200...can u please stop being so arrogant with all your posts. you always swear something is true without even looking at the facts. this is getting extremely annoying for most of the members here i believe as well.


as for the x700...looks like a good buy. its much less than the 256mb 9800pros and kicks their asses.

[Crow]

nice card...


and geforce, why on gods green earth would you want to underclock ram? Seems useless if you ask me.

[perkam]

gf4ti4200...can u please stop being so arrogant with all your posts. you always swear something is true without even looking at the facts. this is getting extremely annoying for most of the members here i believe as well.

Hmmm....Is it just me, or is it odd that a person with 1/10th the post count of Gf4Ti4200 has a better idea of what "most of the members here believe" than GfTi4200 himself. I wouldn't get too carried away with calling ppl names and bickering Kobalt because one thing's for sure, here at XS we'd rather correct ppl than criticize them.

As for the X700XT, it should not have been a surprise that it kicks ass at its price range as it is a true Next Gen card compared to the 9600 XT which was ATI's last TRUE mainstream card (and the 5600 couldn't touch it :D )

Even with 6600 GT's SLI advantage, its going to be a tough sell knowing you will be dependent on your next card upgrade to have fully completed your rig while those who want mainstream performance will get the X700XT and those who want high end performance will get the X800 PRO/XT NOW rather than later (conclusion - Nvidia is vulnerable to most customer's proverbial waiting game - many will probably sell their 6600 GTs and opt for the newer card as the come out and the need of SLI MAY be isolated to Workstation Systems)

In addition, it will be a rare sight to see retailers offering multiple card systems not only due to their apparent cost but also because SLI complicates the cost and user category structure for many manufacturers like IBM, DELL, HP, Gateway, including pre-built systems by third-party manufacturers. As such, the solution will probably ONLY be offered in high-end configurations where there is greater flexibility to spread the costs. In any event, a true SLI system (the alienware type) will probably cost the same as a system with an ATI X800XT PE along with a vapochill LS or at least a VERY High end W/C setup - and I know which one I'd be getting :D :D :D )

Perkam

[DrJay]

Originally posted by perkam.
Hmmm....Is it just me, or is it odd that a person with 1/10th the post count of Gf4Ti4200 has a better idea of what "most of the members here believe" than GfTi4200 himself. I wouldn't get too carried away with calling ppl names and bickering Kobalt because one thing's for sure, here at XS we'd rather correct ppl than criticize them.

True. However, one thing to keep in mind, especially with Gf4Ti4200, is that post quanity is not nearly as important as post quality. ;)

[Kobalt]

also...my post count has gone from 226-229 in the past 2 weeks and ive posted at least 30 times

and...ive been here for well over a year. just because i dont post that often doesnt mean i dont know whats going on. the number of posts you have doesnt credit your intelligence or credibility.

im just tired of ti4200...one day some new person to the forums is gonna listen to him and waste a few hundred bucks. and im not trying to criticize him as much as im trying to get him to stop making ridiculous posts. im correcting him

[PyroTeknik]

i believe posts dont count in the wampeeters section kobalt that could be the reason why

[Kobalt]

i dont post there lol :)

[Soulburner]

no way a 5950u at 600/1010 gets under 6k

and for the 9800XT, at 500/800 its more like 8k not 7k

drivers used?
At 545/985 I got 7,281...

[Sheik]

The ORB doesn't even recognise X700's yet so I could not publish, but here it is. Card (HIS Excalibur) overclocks to 465/1000 so far no problem. Score below is at stock speeds of 425/864.

[perkam]

Ok, seeing has how there will be price cut on the 9800 pro....

How easy is it to hit 21K on 01se with 9800 pro ??

[r3b0rN]

pretty easy if you have a nice overclocking axp and ram, even easier if u have an a64.

[Kobalt]

Ok, seeing has how there will be price cut on the 9800 pro....

How easy is it to hit 21K on 01se with 9800 pro ??

extremely easy...did it with aircooled everything. not a high overclocking card....and around 2.5ghz on a tbred. while the tbred certainly overclocked high for air, you could match that with 2.4ish with a xp-m

walk in the park with a64

[Geforce4ti4200]

121fps nature isnt bad for a stock x700pro, when you oc it to x700xt speeds you get 143 nature? This goes to show it scales almost linear when you oc the ram. Id have to believe its basically an x800 with 128 bit ram. 21k marks with 9800pro and athlonxp is doable, especially with win2k. with an a64 something will be wrong if you dont break 21k. even I get 21k with mine and my gpu is a little slower, a softmodded 9500np.