24k broken

[Tek]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8203631

At the moment ranked 8th ORB for 9700Pro. Ranked 1 for 9700Pro + WinXP :D

Took some tweaking and extra aircooling, but I got it in the end. R9700Pro can do 388/354 stable now in all tests :)

[Digital Nirvana]

nice :D

[Geforce4ti4200]

your 9700pro is within 2fps of my old 9800pro at xt speeds. Yes your 9700pro is outperforming 9800pros clock for clock. very nice, youd have 24.5k with win2k and just shows how big a bottleneck my cpu is :/ cant wait to have 24k with winchester

[Kanavit]

came close to my 24k, whew. My 2.5ghz newcastle is keepin up with your clawhammer 3700+ @ 2.9ghz, which is quite amazing. hmm, wait a minute, you are using a 9700 pro! nvm. wow, you are killing me in the car high, and lobby. but my GT pulls away in dragothic, and nature.

[Geforce4ti4200]

Thats why im keeping my 9500np to 9700p softmod and saving for a winchester, its gonna help alot more in 3dmark2001 and games. He demostrated how important the cpu is :)

[DrJay]

Sure, Geforce. We all know, as you have said many times that you favor the 9500/9700 over the 9800. But the 9800 is capable of much higher clocks on average. Gpu speed is very important too,....as evidenced by the many who have reached 25k, 26k and higher with A64s in the 2500- 2700mhz range.(with 9800s)

[STEvil]

I've got ya beat in nature by 2fps... http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7539825

[r3b0rN]

congrats!

gf4, 3dmark01 is more cpu dependant than the latest games like doom 3/far cry/hl-2

[bias_hjorth]

Congratz tek..

But you need to up those 9700 clocks. My very old did 435mhz on the core using a CPU cooler so I am sure yours may do similar or even better :)

[Murmlos]

My god how my p4 gets asskicked by your a64...

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8065591

So much higher gpu/mem clocks and still badly beaten :(

Ah well a64 will soon be here :)

[sandwichamwin]

Nice score mate. Very impressive for such low gpu clocks. It makes me want a new cpu even more :p:. Get some decent cooling on that thing and volt mod it :toast:

[Garrett]

My god how my p4 gets asskicked by your a64...

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8065591

So much higher gpu/mem clocks and still badly beaten :(

Ah well a64 will soon be here :)
Exactly 400 points less than mine... but very good for a 9700 IMHO :)

[Tek]

Thank alot :toast:

I replaced the fan on the 9700P with an AMD64 one, as the original one died on me. Still having the POS plastic hsf. I haven't got the tools to remove it, nor do I have the tools to mod the card :(

Also placed the 12cm V2100 cab fan over the RAM. They're still climbing at +243mhz CL2.3.2.0 @ 3.1v and +210mhz CL2.2.2.5 @ 3.1v. I just know they would like to do so much more at higher voltage. Added a P4C fan over the central mosfets and made sure airflow is over all of them(basicly whole area around CPU socket is totally aircooled and cool to feel). I can do 1M 3050mhz @ 1.72v - 1:1 CL2 and bad timings. RAM can do 255-260 1:1 CL2.

So the aircooling has shown its advantage over the old passive rig. Everything is steadily climbing in performance. I have gotten more and more +3ghz benches, but the RAM is holding me back. My RAM is way better than expected, but at this voltage they are limited. Still damn proud they can even do 2.2.2.5 at any speed(especially + 210mhz). Low/baby voltage stable benches are also climbing. I can do ~2950mhz @ 1.66v now :D

Took me about one hour to get from 238xx to +24k. Everything gained there was only due to VPU mem timings and trying to hit artifact free runs with good results. I benched nature first until I got the 137.9 fps score, then did the seperate tests until results there seemed good. First time I have really hunted benches in 01 and tweaked liked this. Poki' mem tweaks worked their wonders too, Trep 6 / Tras 6 / Tr2w CL2 / Tr2r really helps(stable default settings now), not only in nature.

Geforce4ti4200 - You're quite right it is my CPU that give me the advantage, but I am CPU limited myself now. I could take rank 1/2 on the spot, with any of the R9700P ranked 1-10(and Win2k), afaik. In pure CPU/RAM power I can match and destroy all of them(at current setting), so my 9700P is holding me back for now, I think.

Kanavit - Yeah, it is a sweet CPU, but I think this would be the only benchmark with the word "3D" in it, that I could ever get near your 6800GT. Your nature score absolutely annihilates me. Only the tests where CPU/RAM matters, I can hold my ground. I think, I can go beyond whatever your current rig/setup can do in 01, but not in any other benches. Nice rig you got there :)

DrJay - I completely agree with you. Even though I would rank way worse amongst the 9800 crowd, I would still prefer to bench that, instead of my current 9700.

STEvil - Damn, that is one sweet nature you got there too. Your mem timings... I want them ;)

R3born - Thank and I agree, though OpenGL games does usually scale well with CPU clocks.

Bias_hjorth - Yeah, I know, I know :D

Without me being able to mod the card further, what should I do? Wouldn't upping the 3.3v and 5v rail give me more on the VPU and RAM? If yes, then how much should I overvolt and what extra voltage could expect final(VPU core and RAM)? This board has dubious voltage readings and I don't have a voltmeter :(

Murmlos - Yeah, that on kinda surprised me. Very nice rig you got there. You got good and better speeds on everything all round. But, it simply must be the A64 @ 2.9ghz(even under WinXP), that'll give me the advantage over your P4C @ 4ghz. How I would love to have your VPU, as with that ... damn :D

[bias_hjorth]

Thank alot :toast:

Bias_hjorth - Yeah, I know, I know :D

Without me being able to mod the card further, what should I do? Wouldn't upping the 3.3v and 5v rail give me more on the VPU and RAM? If yes, then how much should I overvolt and what extra voltage could expect final(VPU core and RAM)? This board has dubious voltage readings and I don't have a voltmeter :(



You could easily do the vmods on the card. You can even use SMD grabbers for the vpu and mount a large cpu fan on top of it. Should give you around 50mhz :)

[Murmlos]

Yeah, i used a pretty crappy win-install.. like 3 months old :) So i would have gotten a few more points from that but no 2k :) A64 is a really powerful cpu... especially @ 2,9ghz :D Looking forward to see what score i may get when i get a winchester in a couple of weeks :)

[perkam]

Shouldnt 25k be the REAL accomplishment ??

Not to take anything away from you though, I still cant manage beyond 15k with my 9600 :( .

[Murmlos]

Well..yeah but 24k is atleast one step closer :) + He got the really crappy std hsf on his r9700pro so i think its pretty good :D

[Crow]

nice score!

mod it and get a better heatsink, and you will see a good increase in clocks.

Does the SMD grabber work with a 9800pro?

[Poki]

nice score!

mod it and get a better heatsink, and you will see a good increase in clocks.

Does the SMD grabber work with a 9800pro?
Yes SMD grabbers will work with a 9800p. Be darn carful with those though, they can come dettached rather easily and could kill the card if it's running at the time.

[Tek]

Bias_hjorth - Yeah, can't escape the vmod thing and new cooler now. I really want to take this 9700P rig to its limits and I have decided to make the last steps to do so. I am aiming for 25k-26k, at least. That should be realistic with new RAM, Win2k, Vmods, and a good hsf/cooler. I can't believe better VPU clocks is all I need to take 1st or 2nd, but apparently that is so. I even take out the FX-53 @ 2.9ghz with a 9700 @ 493mhz on its VPU core in some tests(which I find weird, as to me he should walk all over any my benches and probably should be ranked 1st). Could be fun with a 1st or 2nd rank with my rig, but it would be even more fun to have 25k-26k :D

Perkam - Ofcourse 25k would be a real accomplishment, but for me 24k is good for now. Without doubt, I could do 25k with little effort, when I get my new RAM and Win2k, even without any Vmods. I am just having a little fun seeing, how high I can push this hardware, under the worst conditions(WinXP mess, no W2k, vmods, and my new RAM). Still new at OCing at any serious level and I have never made any hard mods in my life, so I think this little grasshopper still has something yet to show ;)

You haven't taken any away from me, I am happy with the results for now. There is still more potential in my rig, so I see this as a good slow start, but only a start nonetheless :)

What is a/the SMD grabber?

Also, I raised my 5v line and my VPU begins showing heavy artifacts at 380mhz core. I have no trouble usually having it at 390mhz core with no visible artifacts. Should extra voltage improve results? Lowered it again.

[OC_Newbee]

Very nice............. I have my 9500 softmod to 9700 in sig as high as 23K for right now. Very nice score on your 9700 pro.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I dont know whats up with my card, the gpu either works fine or begins to skip past 350MHz, never get any artifacts with 9500/9700 cores just the ram. I have no luck ocing ati cards either but at least my ti4200 isnt far behind

[Tek]

Thanks :)

I have replaced the hsf with my MCX-159 for now. It can do 400/350 stable, but I have had it +410mhz core without artifacts. The thing is, more often than not, I get some blue dots on the black screen right before the actual 3D test starts. When that happens. within seconds it'll freezed with no artifacts, and a moment after the screen is flooded :(

I think, I the cooling is not holding the card back, but lack of volt mods are. Anyways, 24175 for now. All tests were done at 2.9ghz - 400/350mhz.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I think with win2k and a better clocking 9700pro you can pull 25k :) my 9500np only does 350/330 and like I said, push the core past 350 it just begins to stutter and skip, no artifacts. strange I know but ah well it still owns in games. I am more cpu limited than gpu in 2001 since its a cpu test. My ti4200 is close to my 9500np in 3dmark, this tells alot

[Cranox]

Nice score but not enough :D
With that cpu power is 25k in your reach , just do a voltmod on that card ( mine does Core 456 mhz mem 366 mhz , mem is not modded , i did it but no gain )
Me going for 25k with my next system ( 3500+ winchester ) , but that is still 4 weeks away ( need more funds ;) )

[bias_hjorth]

Thanks :)

I have replaced the hsf with my MCX-159 for now. It can do 400/350 stable, but I have had it +410mhz core without artifacts. The thing is, more often than not, I get some blue dots on the black screen right before the actual 3D test starts. When that happens. within seconds it'll freezed with no artifacts, and a moment after the screen is flooded :(

I think, I the cooling is not holding the card back, but lack of volt mods are. Anyways, 24175 for now. All tests were done at 2.9ghz - 400/350mhz.


You def. need to up the voltage. Do the vcore mod - very simple :)

[Tek]

I know, but I'll probably make someone do the vmod for me, as I don't have the equipment or talent to do this on my own(anyone in Copenhagen/Denmark, that'll be up to the task, is welcome to contact me, I'll pay for the service, ofcourse). The next few days I am working on tuning the CPU/RAM. My RAM performance has climbed from a steady 230mhz CL2.3.2.0 T1 to 242mhz CL2.2.2.0 T1, and are still climbing. I think, at 249mhz 1:1 with these timings, the raw CPU performance would give just a little extra, than the old timings 249mhz 9:10. Hopefully, that'll get my 29s Pi M1 too.

I think, I can get to your level of performance under WinXP without the vmod, but I am really limited in the end by not modding the card and not having Win2k. I would do it in a heartbeat, if I had the equipment and was confident about me lack of soldering skills.

[twilius_basic]

I know, but I'll probably make someone do the vmod for me, as I don't have the equipment or talent to do this on my own(anyone in Copenhagen/Denmark, that'll be up to the task, is welcome to contact me, I'll pay for the service, ofcourse). The next few days I am working on tuning the CPU/RAM. My RAM performance has climbed from a steady 230mhz CL2.3.2.0 T1 to 242mhz CL2.2.2.0 T1, and are still climbing. I think, at 249mhz 1:1 with these timings, the raw CPU performance would give just a little extra, than the old timings 249mhz 9:10. Hopefully, that'll get my 29s Pi M1 too.

I think, I can get to your level of performance under WinXP without the vmod, but I am really limited in the end by not modding the card and not having Win2k. I would do it in a heartbeat, if I had the equipment and was confident about me lack of soldering skills.

If you use SMD grabbers(pinchers) and a fan header, there is no soldering necessary at all :D Just put a 10K VR in teh fan header, adjust it to what ohms you want, clip the grabbers to the pins (pin18 and pin20, as you can see from any vmod guide on the net), and boom! you're vmodded ;)

THESE (http://www.tequipment.net/Pomona5243.asp) are what I mean by SMD grabbers. You can just unhook after you are through benching, that way vmod isn't permanent, and if you're a n00b at soldering (like me) you won't hafta worry bout frying your card with solder in the wrong spots :p:

[Tek]

Ah, that is great. That I can do, thanks :)

[bias_hjorth]

Feel free to contact me if soldering is needed. I´ll do it for a very small fee.
But try the SMD grabbers first :)

[Tek]

I will, but I am so iching to do this vmod asap :D

New results, RAM doing great at 1:1 242mhz CL2.2.2.0 T1 for now. Getting close to 3ghz rig with 1:1 CL2.2.2.0 T1 :)

24350 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8209145)

[Stinger]

Hmm I'm only at the third place now ;-)

[Tek]

Nice score! I keep getting amazed how well those durons score.

I could take my rank to 7th, as I have a backup score just a bit higher than Cranox', but 15 pts more than my current 24350 isn't really worth it. I have decided the next published score will be above 25k, when vmod + W2k is in use. Until then, I am not going to mess with the rank system. You could probably take 2nd or 1st with your 3700+ and that 9700P now :D