1 Client or 2... That is the Question!

[RocKer]

I need some advise,i still have 2cpu's,1x1800+ T-Bred-B that easy runs at 2350mhz,and 1x750 duron(old),the can be very nice folding rigs but a need a cheap ass mobo to put them in,what be best to buy then,from arround 50€ or cheaper,Ooo :brick: i think that its maybe better to buy secondhand mobo's,sorry guys.

Now a run only 2 nodes with my xp-m-2600+@2400mhz,is it possiple to run 4 nodes at night,becaus between 00.00hPM and 10.00AM i do notting with the pc,it just stands there gathering dust.

Is this true,that a can run 1client at 1 partitie,a have 4 partities so can i run 4 nodes/clients,now there is one on C:/ and one on D:/,its to be sure that i ask,i dont won't to mess up my rig.

[Blergo]

Now a run only 2 nodes with my xp-m-2600+@2400mhz,is it possiple to run 4 nodes at night,becaus between 00.00hPM and 10.00AM i do notting with the pc,it just stands there gathering dust.


why do you want to run more than one node on a single cpu machine that dosnt have HT? :S Just wondering but surley it would have a negitive affect on output? or am i missing the point completely? to be honest what i would do is set one node with que at like 500 and disable the net access overnight, and then let it upload when you are useing the pc as it will fold faster when the pc isnt in use? but to be honest i couldnt be assed with all that and would just let it run one node 24/7.

owen

[RocKer]

I am running 2 nodes at the moment and it works fine,the both do a very good jod,both running 24/7.

I tought that you can run more then 1 node,if you instal them in a differnt directory,and it works fine.

:off:
I have a PIII 866mhz that a wone use to fold on,but when a start it up he says"NTLDR is missing"what is that and how can i get it to work.

[Rodzilla]

I am running 2 nodes at the moment and it works fine,the both do a very good jod,both running 24/7.

I tought that you can run more then 1 node,if you instal them in a differnt directory,and it works fine.

:off:
I have a PIII 866mhz that a wone use to fold on,but when a start it up he says"NTLDR is missing"what is that and how can i get it to work.

You should only run 2 clients on one rig if you have a multiple CPU rig or a CPU with Hyper Threading.

About the NTLDR error... if you aren't worried about the data on the drive you can just format it and re-install windows... or you can pop the drive in another PC and pull any important info off. There are things you can do to fix the error without formatting... but there are too many options and too much time in troubleshooting to even bother.

[RocKer]

NTLDR rig is ok now,thks.

About the 2 nodes a run,you say a just have to run 1 node,becaus a have only a single cpu rig,but why is it running that good now with 2 nodes,i dont have any troubles with it,it runs smooth.

Can you see at my stats how good am folding,and do i have to shutdown 1 node,as i say't it runs very good:rocker:.

[Rodzilla]

NTLDR rig is ok now,thks.

About the 2 nodes a run,you say a just have to run 1 node,becaus a have only a single cpu rig,but why is it running that good now with 2 nodes,i dont have any troubles with it,it runs smooth.

Can you see at my stats how good am folding,and do i have to shutdown 1 node,as i say't it runs very good:rocker:.

Yes you are doing very well! :up: But your chip doesn’t have the technology to crunch on 2 operations at the same time so it is inefficient at it.

.:EDIT:.And yes I know that a P4 w/HT can't technically crunch 2 things at the same time either... But it is much more efficient at it.

You already have some good stats out of that rig... so let’s try an experiment. Stop one of your nodes and let 1 single node run for a few days. (You don’t have to uninstall it… just make sure that node doesn’t start up automatically for a few days) Then compare your daily output with one single node vs. 2 nodes on one rig.

So we can keep track of this... what are the 2 node numbers on that rig? And let us know which one you keep running. I bet that you get a nice increase in output with a single node on your chip. (You can find the node number in the upper right corner of the client's GUI window.)

[Rodzilla]

I have split this issue off into it's own thread... I want to make sure it gets the attention it needs for ya Rocker!!! :rocker:

[All Kill3r]

yea i run 1 node on my AMD chip, 2 on HyperThreaded chips. I just assumed that since 1 node pegs an AMD chip to 100% usage 2 would bog it down a bit and come out slightly slower.

[RocKer]

Ok i will do that Rodzilla,i will stop node 112147 tonight at around 00.00h,and i will run node 112148 for 5 days alone,then a will startup node 112147 again and run both nodes also for 5 days,dos that sounds ok for you :toast: .

The rig is xp-m-2600@2400mhz on 8RDA3+ DDR400,the rest is ta same as in sig.

I miss my a64:dammit:.

[Rodzilla]

Ok. So you, and everyone else, can keep track of this.
I'll keep updating this post with new stats, daily averages, daily production, and other info. So bookmark me!

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I will go through all of the relevant data in these stats pages and post updates at the bottom of this page.

http://12.3.177.174:6969/d2ol/individual_nodes.php?UserId=RocKer Good for showing the 6hr update totals.

http://app.d2ol.com/stats/nodeProfile.jsp?id=112148 Good for the overall daily average of node 112148 and the current daily production.

http://app.d2ol.com/stats/nodeProfile.jsp?id=112147 Good for the overall daily average of node 112147 and the current daily production.

http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/nodepass?location=112148 Good for graphs, current daily average (This is what we will compare. It's a projection of your total daily production from the node in question. It is based on the 6hr updates. It has proven to be rather accurate for me.) These are sweet node stats!!

http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/nodepass?location=112147 Good for graphs, current daily average (This is what we will compare. It's a projection of your total daily production from the node in question. It is based on the 6hr updates. It has proven to be rather accurate for me.) These are sweet node stats!!

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These Graphs should auto update every hour. (Hourly graphs always have 0 to the far right... this represents the points uploaded last hour.)

NEWTotal Daily Production. Last 28 days.NEW
http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/image?location=month|user|RocKer

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Node 112148 Production Last 24 Hours.
http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/image?location=day|node|112148

Node 112148 Production Last 30 Days.
http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/image?location=month|node|112148

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Node 112147 Production Last 24 Hours.
http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/image?location=day|node|112147

Node 112147 Production Last 30 Days.
http://tn-d2ol-stats.homeip.net/image?location=month|node|112147

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------10/21/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (total of both nodes)
15:00 - 13
21:00 - 41

Daily average today
112147 - ??
112148 - ??
= ??

------10/22/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (total of both nodes)
03:00 - 41
09:00 - 29
13:00 --> 18:00 – 23

Daily average today
112147 - 68.0 (As of the 12:00 update)
112148 - 72.0 (As of the 12:00 update)
= ~140

112147 - 50.3 (As of the 21:00 update) Node Off
112148 - 56.0 (As of the 21:00 update)
= ~106.3

------10/23/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is off. All points are from 112148)
00:00 - 37
06:00 - 41
12:00 - 43
19:00 - 32
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Daily Total=153

Daily average today

112147 - Node Off
112148 - 89.6 (As of the 07:00 update)
112148 - 193.6 (As of the 14:00 update)

------10/24/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is off. All points are from 112148)
00:00 - 35
06:00 - 35
13:00 - 36
19:00 - 37
20:00 - 4
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Daily Total=147


Daily average today

112147 - Node Off
112148 - 161.1 (As of the 03:00 update)
112148 - 195.7 (As of the 12:00 update)
112148 - 169.6 (As of the 14:00 update)
112148 - 160.4 (As of the 21:00 update)

------10/25/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is off. All points are from 112148)
01:00 - 33
05:00 - 16
08:00 - 18
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Daily Total=Free-DC says 135 Stats were down... I missed an update.

112147 - Node Off
112148 - 114.9 (As of the 08:00 update)

------10/26/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is off. All points are from 112148)
05:00 - 35
09:00 - 34
16:00 - 35
22:00 - 36
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Daily Total=140

112147 - Node Off
112148 - 127.4 (As of the 13:00 update)

------10/27/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is off. All points are from 112148)
10:00 - 81 (D²OL servers were down. This was a 12HR update)
16:00 - 33
22:00 - 36
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Daily Total=150

112147 - Node Off
112148 - 134.4 (As of the 00:00 update)
112148 - 130.3 (As of the 20:00 update)

------10/28/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is BACK ON. All points are a total of both nodes)
04:00 - 32
10:00 - 22 Points from 112148 Only
11:00 - 17 Points from 112147 Only
13:00 - 11
19:00 - 33
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Daily Total=115

112147 - 11.7 (As of the 11:00 update)
112148 - 139.9 (As of the 11:00 update)
= ~151.6

112147 - 31.1 (As of the 16:00 update)
112148 - 84.7 (As of the 16:00 update)
= ~115.8

112147 - 40.7 (As of the 22:00 update)
112148 - 79.3 (As of the 22:00 update)
= ~120

------10/29/04------
Per update output from rig in question. (112147 is BACK ON. All points are a total of both nodes)
01:00 - 36
07:00 - 28
13:00 - 37
19:00 - 37
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Daily Total=138

112147 - 53.2 (As of the 08:00 update)
112148 - 81.0 (As of the 08:00 update)
= ~134.2

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------Conclusion------
As you can see by the daily output from RocKer, His production went up when he switched his AMD rig from 2 nodes back to 1. As soon as he went back to 2 nodes on one rig his production fell.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18521&stc=1

[RocKer]

Wooohhiiii your going for it he Rodzilla,nice stats :up: .

A had to check some things the past 5h,a had a lot of reboots to do so i shutdown both nodes,but at 00.00h a will start node 112148 and let it run for 5days,thougt a had to say this becaus off the nodes where down,that you diddent think that something was wrong orso.

Like i say'd it's running NOW!!!(it's 00.00h overhere now;).

[Jeff]

So just looking at the 23rd... it seems like you gain a bit by just going with one node on a single, non-HT'd cpu.

[Rodzilla]

Let’s also not forget that running 2 nodes on one box uses 2X the memory... So you get a point boost and you free up some resources. :up: we need to collect more data so we can be absolutely sure, and to show the benefits of this. It will be good for future reference.

[RocKer]

Mmm the use of memory is about the same,with 2nodes a used around 280mb,now with 1node 240mb,a have a total of 512mb on the rig.

But it seems that 1node runs better then 2nodes,i can see that now also,but a will let it run for 5days with the one,althoug next week i have my ocz booster back from RMA and my hands will itsch for a better oc :D ,but i will do the test completly and run with the 2nodes also for 5days;).

Do you now what DOCKWIN.EXE is,becaus that useing alot of recourses(53%),is that related to D2OL or something else.

[Rodzilla]

:up: thanks RocKer!!

I'm sure that in the future there will be someone out there who has a question like this and this thread will be of great use!

[RocKer]

No problem at all:).

You now its like have being bit by the bug of folding:lol:.

[Jeff]

Do you now what DOCKWIN.EXE is,becaus that useing alot of recourses(53%),is that related to D2OL or something else.

D²OL's main program is D2OL.exe... that program starts DOCKWIN.exe and
GRIDWIN.exe when needed. At any given time only D2OL.exe and one of those other two will be running.

[Rodzilla]

D²OL's main program is D2OL.exe... that program starts DOCKWIN.exe and
GRIDWIN.exe when needed. At any given time only D2OL.exe and one of those other two will be running.

But it still allocates the mem right?

[RocKer]

The P3 rig is running now with 2000 Tasks :wtf: ,but a wont to let it run as smooth and fast as possible,so i wont to shutdown as many procceses as possible,but need a bit of help with it what to shutdown.

I made a list of the procceses that are running now on the P3 rig,so if somebody of you guys can tell me what to shutdown that will be great and a big help to me.

NVSVC32.exe------system----00%
Spool.exe----------system-----00%
SVChost.exe-------system-----00%
svchost.exe--------system-----00%
Isass.exe----------system-----00%
services.exe-------system------00%
winlogon.exe-------system------00%
CSRSS.exe---------system------00%
SMSS.exe----------system------00%
System------------system-------00%
not active systems----system----00%
D2OL.exe----------RocKer----00%
CTFMON.exe-------RocKer----00%
Dockwin or Gridwin---RocKer----99%
D2OL Daddy---------RocKer----00%
Explorer------------RocKer-----01%
TaskMGR----------RocKer------00%
SCVHost.exe-------Local service
SCVHost.exe--------Network service

so what can i shutdown,there is nothing else running on that rig then D2OL,alredy thks to you guys for the help.

[Rodzilla]

The P3 rig is running now with 2000 Tasks :wtf: ,but a wont to let it run as smooth and fast as possible,so i wont to shutdown as many procceses as possible,but need a bit of help with it what to shutdown.

I made a list of the procceses that are running now on the P3 rig,so if somebody of you guys can tell me what to shutdown that will be great and a big help to me.

NVSVC32.exe------system----00%
Spool.exe----------system-----00%
SVChost.exe-------system-----00%
svchost.exe--------system-----00%
Isass.exe----------system-----00%
services.exe-------system------00%
winlogon.exe-------system------00%
CSRSS.exe---------system------00%
SMSS.exe----------system------00%
System------------system-------00%
not active systems----system----00%
D2OL.exe----------RocKer----00%
CTFMON.exe-------RocKer----00%
Dockwin or Gridwin---RocKer----99%
D2OL Daddy---------RocKer----00%
Explorer------------RocKer-----01%
TaskMGR----------RocKer------00%
SCVHost.exe-------Local service
SCVHost.exe--------Network service

so what can i shutdown,there is nothing else running on that rig then D2OL,alredy thks to you guys for the help.

All the stuff that is left is needed by the OS to run... there are a few things you can get rid of but none that will effect anything. You can just leave it as is.

[RocKer]

It look's live that running only one node is better then 2 on a xp-m rig,so Rodzilla do a have to run with 2 now to see whats the diffirens between them,personly a dont think so,but if you wont me to do it a will:).

[Rodzilla]

It look's live that running only one node is better then 2 on a xp-m rig,so Rodzilla do a have to run with 2 now to see whats the diffirens between them,personly a dont think so,but if you wont me to do it a will:).

Can you run it with both for 2 days?

When the stats on this (http://12.3.177.174:6969/d2ol/individual_nodes.php?UserId=RocKer) page get to 00:00 start the other one. You have a couple hours yet.

This is just so we can finish what we started. We will be able to come back to this in the future to show the differences. :up:

[Rinsewand]

yeah i was going to post up and say that at least then we can refer back and have proof, not just "yeah, we think this works better"

normal research...

or Xtreme research!

RwD

[RocKer]

Ok,it is running now,but the time was 00.22.20h,i am just out of bed:).

[Rodzilla]

Ok,it is running now,but the time was 00.22.20h,i am just out of bed:).

00:22 your time? Or the time on the stats? ;)

[RocKer]

It was 00.22.20h on this site (http://12.3.177.174:6969/d2ol/individual_nodes.php?UserId=RocKer) .

[Rodzilla]

RocKer... can you restart both nodes so that they will upload there points at the same time? It would make it easier for me to keep track of the stats. :D Thanks!

[Rodzilla]

It was 00.22.20h on this site (http://12.3.177.174:6969/d2ol/individual_nodes.php?UserId=RocKer) .

Perfect! Thanks!

[RocKer]

Do a have to restart them both now,becaus a had a loke again on that site and is is still 00.22.20h that is not possiblel ist'it,overhere it is now 18.00h.

Node 112148 was started at 10.30h this morning.

Or will i start them both up when it is 18.30h overhere,then a will shut them down now,is that ok.

[Rodzilla]

Here?
http://12.3.177.174:6969/d2ol/individual_nodes.php?UserId=RocKer

I see Thursday, October 28th, 2004, 12:10 PM EST

Yes. If you could just close out of both of them and restart them it would make it easier to keep track of the stats :D

[RocKer]

Yes on that site,this is copy/past from overthere Last updated: 2004-10-28 00:22:20 EST ,as you can see its still the same as this morning.

The are both shutdown now,a will start them at 18.30h overhere ok.

[Rodzilla]

Ok... you don't have to keep them off... just do a real quick restart... Thanks!

[Rodzilla]

All done RocKer! Switch that bad boy back over to 1 node! Thanks for working with me on this!!!! :toast:

[RocKer]

No problem,happy to be of services :toast: .