How do you guys get your refrigerant?

[blinky]

i know all the HVAC engineer guys are certified, but it seems like lots of people are making DIY phase change these days, and im thinking of getting into it myself. i know one can get propane anywhere, and ive heard u can get r134a. but i see people using r404a, r507, r410a, r22 etc. commonly, yet it seems really hard to get once i actually try.

so where do yall who arent "in the field" get their refrigerants?

is there some easy certification i could get to handle them?



thanks in advance, im a real noob at this stuff ;)

[JSU]

I have a 608I and a 609cert. I got most of my refrigerant from johnstone suply. Chilly1 and pcice also sell refrigerants and you need a license to get it.

[blinky]

where do u get certs and/or liscenses, are there tests u can study for on ur own and then take?

theres a johnstone supple 20 minutes away so that shouldnt be hard

[Pandrone]

Bought my 404a bottle in finland, can't buy anything in sweden, bloody miljöpartiet :D.

[JSU]

epatest.com or epatest.org, I cant remember the exact link. Its an open book test so it shouldnt be too hard.

[sharp]

I go to hvac store and say:"I want 11kg r404" then i pay and pick up a bottle.Thats it.

[HawainPanda]

wait...johnstone requires a license? how do u get one?

[Zejtan]

Bought my 404a bottle in finland, can't buy anything in sweden, bloody miljöpartiet :D.

haha, nice one Pandrone,
to bad you have to be from sweden to get the point.
What did you end up paing for it in finland ?, in sek, and usd for the record.
Did they send it to you or did you make a tripp ?
i know i have been told this before, but i cant remember... :confused:

// Zejt

[Vinci]

http://www.linde-gas.com

here in Vienna you can buy 11kg r404 without a license...
but its fu expensive, you have to pay about 250€ for the bottle :/

[sharp]

220euro here in slovenia,no lincense

[cold_ice]

I got 11kg R404a for 150€ incl. shipping here in Austria (without a licence too). I know i was pretty lucky, normaly I'd pay 70€ more :D

[Pandrone]

haha, nice one Pandrone,
to bad you have to be from sweden to get the point.
What did you end up paing for it in finland ?, in sek, and usd for the record.
Did they send it to you or did you make a tripp ?
i know i have been told this before, but i cant remember... :confused:

// Zejt


humm, I think it was 240 € (dunno what that is in SEK, around 2300kr probably) including the bottle. A Solvay Fluor 9.5kg 404a bottle. R22 was way cheaper but my father didn't want to take the risk of the fancy fine if you get caught :D.

Then the last day we found out that Tempcold.fi sold a 11kg bottle about the same price :doh:

[sharp]

Col ice how much cost ethilene?

[blinky]

I go to hvac store and say:"I want 11kg r404" then i pay and pick up a bottle.Thats it.
are you in the US

it seems easier to get in europe :rolleyes:

[blinky]

epatest.com or epatest.org, I cant remember the exact link. Its an open book test so it shouldnt be too hard.
thanks, looks like ill take these tests

http://www.epatest.com/e_609cert.html

Section 609 Certification allows the purchase of any refrigerant in any size container!if i get a 609 would i need a 608 or 608I at all?

[sharp]

are you in the US

it seems easier to get in europe :rolleyes:

No blinky im from evrope
:)

[Pandrone]

are you in the US

it seems easier to get in europe :rolleyes:


Depends alot on where in Europe you are, if you live in sweden or denmark you stand in front of a hard time finding any refrigerant supplier (those are the two countries in europe i know of that have these laws/policies).

In sweden you need to get an "ackreditering" spelled something like that. Or you have to work for the military (if i remember correct shipping-companies are allowed to work with refrigerants too). So in Sweden your chances to get refrigerant legally is somewhere between nada and zero :D.

[RaVeN155]

In poland you can buy 404a/410a/507/134a without any license but its hard to get some r22, about 130euro for 11kg 404a bottle ;)

[blinky]

mmk, any US people want to weigh in

are these tests feasible to just pass, then get the thing in the mail, then go buy some?

[cold_ice]

Col ice how much cost ethilene?
I don't know if they have Ethylene, because it was airconditioning shop. But I can aks them.
btw: Where are you coming from?

@blinky: I wasn't that easy for me, local refrigeration shops didn't want to sell me refrigerants. They said that only certificated people are allowed to buy it...
But you have to ask many shops/firms or whatever. Sometimes stores which sell gas (propane, oxygen and so on) have refrigerants to, its easier to get it there

[sharp]

From Slovenia,near Ljubljana

[Unknown_road]

Depends alot on where in Europe you are, if you live in sweden or denmark you stand in front of a hard time finding any refrigerant supplier (those are the two countries in europe i know of that have these laws/policies).

In sweden you need to get an "ackreditering" spelled something like that. Or you have to work for the military (if i remember correct shipping-companies are allowed to work with refrigerants too). So in Sweden your chances to get refrigerant legally is somewhere between nada and zero :D.

In the Netherlands it is also impossible to get refrigerant. If you import it and use it it's also against the law, no matter what refrigerant. Except propane offcourse, they can't do anything about that.

[Juicy629]

make a fake id thingy :toast:

[cold_ice]

From Slovenia,near Ljubljana
Don't you have Linde-Gas there? Im sure they can order it for you :)

[JSU]

Um either 608 or 609 will work. A 609 allows you to buy refrigerant under 20lb so that might be better.

[JohnFish]

I was in greece during the summer. Around 120 euros for 11kg of 404 - no licence needed. Still trying to find some in the uk though.

[pythagoras]

Hi johnfish,

I can put you in touch with someone who can supply at the following rates:

R404a £10.28 per kilo + Bottle Charge Approx £40.00

R507a Same price

R410a 750ml Disposable bottle £40.20

r404 and 507 is in 5kg bottles.

pm if interested.

Regards

John.

[blinky]

I don't know if they have Ethylene, because it was airconditioning shop. But I can aks them.
btw: Where are you coming from?

@blinky: I wasn't that easy for me, local refrigeration shops didn't want to sell me refrigerants. They said that only certificated people are allowed to buy it...
But you have to ask many shops/firms or whatever. Sometimes stores which sell gas (propane, oxygen and so on) have refrigerants to, its easier to get it thereyah, chilly told me that i could get propane, ethane, ethylene, etc. from a welding supply place. im gonna check it out, maybe they have various other refrigerants too





Um either 608 or 609 will work. A 609 allows you to buy refrigerant under 20lb so that might be better.yah 609 sounds better suited to me. so i just read the manual, study it, pay them $20 and take the test right? i dont need to go anywhere? i can just do it from the internet?

[pythagoras]

Hi Blinky,

Yes you can just take the online test, pay your money, and they send you the certificate........................If you pass ;)

Regards

John.

[blinky]

Hi Blinky,

Yes you can just take the online test, pay your money, and they send you the certificate........................If you pass ;)

Regards

John.
sweet, reminds me of taking the drivers ed training online ;)

ill study a lot so i can pass :D

[JSU]

Sounds like your going to nail it. btw the search function is your friend :) (alot of questions on dates on the test )

[blinky]

um its realy not so hard seing as its open book.ROFL yah