PCP&C 850W & 700W power supplies [Archive]

enzoR

10-03-2004, 07:08 AM

Whilst speaking to sales at PCP&C earlier today they let it be known that they're soon to release 2 new high-end PSUs.

The first, to be known as the Turbo-Cool 850 ETX is due in mid-November.
It's an 850W power supply (rated in PCP&C's standard way) primarily for powering dual CPU + dual GPU systems.
It features 2x 6pin cables for use with PCI Express graphics cards (both in single/dual/SLI configuration).
Also, rather than 2x 4pin power cables, 1x 8pin will be used instead.
Price will be around US$400.

Next is the Turbo-Cool 700 ETX due around Q1 2005.
This is the 700W variant of the above PSU though intended for single CPU setups (only 1x 4pin power cable rather than 2).
2x 6pin cables are featured (in anticipation for SLI'd configurations).
Price should be between the Turbo Cool 510 range and the Turbo-Cool 850 ETX so approx. US$300.

Both supplies take on a new form factor ('ETX' for extended) as although they feature standard ATX height and width, the depth has grown from 5.5" to 9" (from the rear fan grille to where the cables exit the PSU).
Weight has also increased, now coming in at 11lbs.
Efficiency is up-rated to ~85% through the use of even higher quality components than used in the 510 range.
I forgot to confirm but I assume that both supplies feature 24pin plugs as standard (rather than 20pin).

Original thread can be found here (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1026692040#post1026692040)

850W, 11lbs, 85% efficiency, Xtreme :D

mcnbns

10-03-2004, 07:16 AM

And to think, some people are still using the ones that came with their cases...

Iridium192_217

10-03-2004, 07:17 AM

850 watts goodness. It'll probably cost a fortune though.

bh2k

10-03-2004, 07:20 AM

Price will be around US$400.

Yup, it will.

saaya

10-03-2004, 07:48 AM

85% efficiency is nice!

craig588

10-03-2004, 08:07 AM

I'm not paying 400$ for something that might have terrible rails like my 510 DLX. I'll wait for someone to aqure a few non review units and test them on a Oscope.

Noldor

10-03-2004, 08:26 AM

I'm not paying 400$ for something that might have terrible rails like my 510 DLX. I'll wait for someone to aqure a few non review units and test them on a Oscope.

You think a PCP&C will have terrible rails? LOL :stick:

craig588

10-03-2004, 08:32 AM

Well, every single 510 DLX I have tested has terrible rails, so its not so unreasonable to assume that.

enzoR

10-03-2004, 08:36 AM

Hipro swares by PCP&C... and i think he has the scopes and has tested them... ;)

maybe you just got a bad unit? can you post pics of what the scope "showed"? i'm curious to see whats you saw and what your complaining about.

well too bad these monsters wont fit in my PC60.... 9" holy :banana::banana::banana::banana: thats almost double the lenght! :banana4: :bananal:

just another excuse to upgrade case :D

craig588

10-03-2004, 08:42 AM

My Oscope isn't the type that I can connect to a computer for a readout, I hve a 3MB video of it, but I don't have anywhere to upload it to.

Every other PSU I tested looked fine on it, so its not a broken scope.

Troopah

10-03-2004, 08:55 AM

http://upl.silentwhisper.net/

craig588

10-03-2004, 09:02 AM

I need at least 3MB per file. XS allows 2MB, that site allows 1MB, fileshack allows 1MB.

L0$t Pr0PhEt

10-03-2004, 09:07 AM

I need at least 3MB per file. XS allows 2MB, that site allows 1MB, fileshack allows 1MB.

If you want you can mail it to me and I can put it on my webspace
jeffreyvancoillie[at]telenet.be

craig588

10-03-2004, 09:20 AM

saaya

10-03-2004, 09:26 AM

You think a PCP&C will have terrible rails? LOL :stick:

the current ones do ;)
they have very dirty rails (LOL:D)
a high pitch noise in all of their rails at a frequency that does influence the system. its not a big deal appearently as some people achieved good results with those psus, but i wouldnt spend so much money for a psu with noisy rails...

what ever happened to chilly1's test? he said he tested the unit as well and got similar results as you craig.

L0$t Pr0PhEt

10-03-2004, 09:30 AM

you have a mail coming with 2 3MB files. One is the FSP and the other is the PCPNP. They were done with the same settings. I tried adjusting the display settings for the 2nd half of the videos to see if the camera could see it better. IRL it looks like a solid line.

The PCPNP is moving up then down every .45MS by 1.25V. (Much faster than any mutimeter could detect)

here you go:
http://users.pandora.be/dajefn/FSP.rar
&
http://users.pandora.be/dajefn/PCPNP.rar

saaya

10-03-2004, 09:36 AM

The PCPNP is moving up then down every .45MS by 1.25V. (Much faster than any mutimeter could detect)

still way to fast to not influence hardware. all psus have noise in their rails, but usually at a much much much higher frequency. this results really dont look good and i wonder what happened to the anandtech review of the pcpnc back then. they also said something about noise in the rails and fluctuating rails at a high speed, but then they all the sudden edited the article and never commented about it.

craig588

10-03-2004, 09:46 AM

Oh, so it doesn't matter? Hmm, I still don't trust it because none of my other PSUs do it. I won't be buying one agian though, especially not for that price.

The full wave length is .9MS BTW, but it touches the top and bottom peaks every .45MS.

Gogeta

10-03-2004, 09:54 AM

Good lord thats a lot of fluctuation compared to the FSP!

saaya

10-03-2004, 10:03 AM

it IS, and it DOES matter... if people have reached great results with it in the past i guess they either had good boards with very high quality caps that filtered most of the noise, or they would have reached even higher clocks with a better psu...

Evil_Spork

10-03-2004, 10:59 AM

Well, every single 510 DLX I have tested has terrible rails, so its not so unreasonable to assume that.
my 425 non DLX has the most solid rails ive ever seen, and its all adjustable so i set them where i want!

edit: didnt read the thread.

lutjens

10-03-2004, 11:06 AM

Drool..... :slobber: :slobber:

Gimme...:)

Samael

10-03-2004, 11:07 AM

black rose

10-03-2004, 11:18 AM

And to get in topic again,who the hell is going to need 850 or even 700 Watts on his rig?!?!?? :rolleyes:

2 cpu's (2 dual core cpus on one board perhaps eventually?) , 2 power hungry vid cards, full array of HD's and fans? I could see a few possible combinations that could fill up todays 520w psu's, and of course someone that has very deep pockets.

craig588

10-03-2004, 11:23 AM

my 425 non DLX has the most solid rails ive ever seen, and its all adjustable so i set them where i want!

edit: didnt read the thread.

Yep, every single other PSU PCPNP has that I have tested has worked fine, its just their highest end stuff that has problems.

Samael

10-03-2004, 11:31 AM

2 cpu's (2 dual core cpus on one board perhaps eventually?) , 2 power hungry vid cards, full array of HD's and fans? I could see a few possible combinations that could fill up todays 520w psu's, and of course someone that has very deep pockets.
Yes you are right about the dual things BUT dual vga's and cpu's are WorkStation area and is not conserning us as ocers :)

9mmCensor

10-03-2004, 11:39 AM

Yes you are right about the dual things BUT dual vga's and cpu's are WorkStation area and is not conserning us as ocers :)

Dual VGAs are gonna rock for gaming and OCing, and dual CPUs, would be nice too.

saaya

10-03-2004, 11:48 AM

hmmm the things ive seen about sli recently dont sound that well...

a 25-50% performence boost with 100% more hardware is not that good...
but we shall see :D

saaya

10-03-2004, 11:52 AM

So from what i see that brand doesnt have the ability to keep the quality of its products stabe....
Or it doesnt care about it...

And to get in topic again,who the hell is going to need 850 or even 700 Watts on his rig?!?!?? :rolleyes:

and dont forget, an 800W psu consumes the same energy as a 400W psu if they both power the same system ;)

with 85% efficiency you might even SAVE energy and slightly reduce your electricity bill by upgrading to this unit as it consumes LESS power than a bunch of 400W psus available atm when powering the same system :)

so it sounds like a nice idear for nf4 sli boards (dual a64+dual graphics)

enzoR

10-03-2004, 12:17 PM

you have a mail coming with 2 3MB files. One is the FSP and the other is the PCPNP. They were done with the same settings. I tried adjusting the display settings for the 2nd half of the videos to see if the camera could see it better. IRL it looks like a solid line.

The PCPNP is moving up then down every .45MS by 1.25V. (Much faster than any mutimeter could detect)

damn! this is crazy, someone should definately contact PCP&C and see what they have to say about that! :stick:

thats gotta be some major design flaw.... and all those high-quality-components! :confused:

enzoR

10-03-2004, 12:31 PM

BTW, when you tested those PS's with the oscopes, did u attach load to all the rails?

thanks :toast:

saaya

10-03-2004, 12:44 PM

yes, both chilly and craig were putting load on their psus. same thing...

the noise is on all rails and iirc its the same in idle and load.

i asked a friend who studdies somethin electronic related, dont know what its called in english, and another friend who is a machatronic (mechanical engineer+electronics) and they both said it must be a design flaw or at least one of not several blown caps.

the blwon caps are unlikely as two different psus showed the same noise...

EDIT: chilly is busy so i will write the article we planned about this :)

craig, or anybody else, if you have new or more infos about this psu please send it to me via pm so i can add it to the article. if anybody has a pcpnc psu and an oscilloscope please test it and send me the results :toast:

masterofpuppets

10-03-2004, 01:39 PM

My PCP&C 510's rails are fine. Never tested with a scope though.

lutjens

10-03-2004, 01:55 PM

These new power supplies will come in handy for people like myself who insist on cramming excessive number of hard drives in their towers.

I'm getting away with it with my 660W P/S, but I've hit the power supplies' limit on individual molex lines on more than one occasion and had to shuffle connectors again and again. Add a power-hungry video card that demands two separate molex lines for itself, and it's easy for current high-end power supplies to become overworked.

I can't imagine running a second CPU at the same time as these hard drives and getting away with it. With the new supplies, it should be much easier to go nuts on a system.

saaya

10-03-2004, 01:59 PM

for those who have the money... :(

iCe_bLASt

10-03-2004, 02:20 PM

yup , a big array of HD can realy stress the 12V allot ... considering each HD takes around 2.5A on 12V that'll be a 150W on 12V for 6 HDs , add this 200W of dual xeon and 80W of SLI 6800U 30W of DVD + CDRW and you'll need a minimum of 38A on 12V to operate on full system load :wierd:

saaya

10-03-2004, 02:23 PM

hdds consume 25W? :o

Dissolved

10-03-2004, 02:59 PM

hdds consume 25W? :o

a raptor 74 is .7a on 5v and .75a on the 12v

saaya

10-03-2004, 03:09 PM

thats more like 10W then... maybe 15W for large hdds... thats about what i thougt hdds consume.

so are there hdds that consume 25W? :eek:

Gogeta

10-03-2004, 03:23 PM

I could see TEC users going :banana: over these beasts.

iCe_bLASt

10-03-2004, 03:26 PM

I think Ive seen somewhere about IBM or Samsung HD that takes this amount of A ... but it seems like its not acurate for all HDs...

Iridium192_217

10-03-2004, 03:55 PM

If I had $400, I'd get a video card, not a behometh PSU.

saaya

10-03-2004, 04:19 PM

hahha true dat :D

Samael

10-03-2004, 04:23 PM

and dont forget, an 800W psu consumes the same energy as a 400W psu if they both power the same system ;)

with 85% efficiency you might even SAVE energy and slightly reduce your electricity bill by upgrading to this unit as it consumes LESS power than a bunch of 400W psus available atm when powering the same system :)

so it sounds like a nice idear for nf4 sli boards (dual a64+dual graphics)

Come on man!My Enermax is rated to have an efficiency of 80% and costs less than 100euros!To cover the 5% i would have to run the 800W's one for AGES!!
And dual vga's are more or less as you say...not worth the $$....
I am not saying that this is a bad PSU but i am saying that its just TOO much for the 99% of us in here ;)

Jasonxxx

10-03-2004, 04:54 PM

So, if the 510w PC Power and Cooling DLX has dirty rails, what power supply will power up a complete OCed System with clean rails?

I have the 510 Dlx now, what would I replace it with?

- OCZ 520?
-?
-?

Has anyone O-Scoped a OCZ 520?

saaya

10-03-2004, 05:43 PM

Come on man!My Enermax is rated to have an efficiency of 80% and costs less than 100euros!To cover the 5% i would have to run the 800W's one for AGES!!
And dual vga's are more or less as you say...not worth the $$....
I am not saying that this is a bad PSU but i am saying that its just TOO much for the 99% of us in here ;)

heheheh yes! but after some years its worth it :D

and jasonxxx, o-scoping psus is something very rare unfortunately... there are almost no psu reviews at all, and the few that exist are very very basic...

Gogeta

10-03-2004, 06:06 PM

S
I have the 510 Dlx now, what would I replace it with?

- OCZ 520?
-?
-?

Would it help if I told you that macci and The Stilt used an OCZ Powerstream in the setup that clocked a pressy to 6GHz?

Jasonxxx

10-03-2004, 10:23 PM

I noticed that they used a OCZ 520, but could they of used 510 dlx and still accomplished the same OC?

I will check the local electronic repair shop and ask them if they could test my 510 dlx on a O-scope... It is hard to pay $200+ and know that your P.S. might be a limiting factor in your OC compared to cheaper P.S. that out performs it?

Does anyone that has a OCZ 520 P.S. that has ran it to it's knee's with a max OC, and also have 510 dlx to see which P.S. is the limiting factor?

STEvil

10-04-2004, 02:27 AM

If I had a scope i'd do some torture testing...

Have you guys been measuring AC voltage as well? I notice some of the PSU's I have will let more AC voltage through than others.

Hallowed

10-04-2004, 11:09 AM

Hahah... you people kill me.

Just curious, was the line reading taken straight from the ATX connector or off of the motherboard?

drunkenmaster

10-04-2004, 01:47 PM

you should remember that, during gaming other than loading hdd's are barely under load, let alone full load and even then not all hdd's(cept on a big raid array) and then when its loading gfx isn't loaded, when its playing hdd's aren't loaded anymore. dvd/cd will rarely ever be loaded, in any situation really. Really you need to be able to cover cpu and gfx and one hdd ampage clearly at any one time and you'll never have an issue. No way in hell you need 800W on any current system, nor for a sli dual core cpu system.

Cpu's won't just double in wattage output, for one thing 0.09nm ath 64's are rated at 89W max, for the dual cores according to specs somewhere or another. dual core isn't about straight up doubling the power, its about distributing the power better and making it easier to ramp up speeds on individual cores and maximising everything.

chunkylover77

10-04-2004, 02:08 PM

So I have the ability to trade my PCPC supply for an ocz 520. Should I do it?

Hallowed

10-04-2004, 02:18 PM

So I have the ability to trade my PCPC supply for an ocz 520. Should I do it?

If you want to trade the best PSU around for a rebadged Tagan, go ahead.

Torin

10-04-2004, 02:21 PM

If you want to trade the best PSU around for a rebadged Tagan, go ahead.

They aren't rebadged Tagan's... bigtoe even confirmed this in another thread.

Jeff

10-04-2004, 02:56 PM

I'll say this... I'll give anyone $125 for their PC P&C Turbo-Cool 510 Deluxe. That's enough to get an OCZ power supply from NewEgg.com. According to this thread you will be stepping up to the best power supply out there. You can either PM me here on XS.org or email me through the XS.org email system.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT saying that you are actually upgrading... I am only trying to provide a service for those who wish to change between the two power supplies.

masterofpuppets

10-04-2004, 03:04 PM

I wouldn't trade my Turbo-Cool 510 for any power supply, except maybe a higher watt turbo-cool :)

Hallowed

10-04-2004, 03:07 PM

I wouldn't trade my Turbo-Cool 510 for any power supply, except maybe a higher watt turbo-cool :)

Dude, dont blow Jeff's cover.

HEY EVERYONE, $125 for your Turbocool 510's!

iCe_bLASt

10-04-2004, 04:16 PM

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/7417

Let me give you the test setup briefly. We compared power consumption by measuring power usage for our entire testbed system, sans monitor, at the wall outlet. The testbed system included an Asus A8V Deluxe motherboard, 1GB of Corsair XMS 3200XL DDR400 memory, an NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT graphics card, an Asus DVD-ROM drive, a Maxtor MaxLine III 250GB SATA hard drive, and an OCZ PowerStream 470W power supply. (The 130nm chip we used was actually an Athlon 64 3800+ underclocked to 2.2GHz, for what it's worth.) We also tested power consumption on a similarly-configured Pentium 4 system based on an Abit AA8 DuraMax motherboard with 1GB of OCZ DDR2 533MHz memory and the PCI-E version of the GeForce 6800 GT (all other components were the same as the Athlon 64 rig). The Pentium 4 was a Prescott 90nm core running at 3.4GHz. Update: Cool'n'Quiet was not enabled on the Socket 939 motherboard.

http://techreport.com/etc/2004q4/90nm-power.gif
850W :slobber:

Jeff

10-04-2004, 05:09 PM

Dude, dont blow Jeff's cover.

:lol: Damn... you got me. :toast:

billycat

10-25-2004, 05:54 AM

here you go:
http://users.pandora.be/dajefn/FSP.rar
&
http://users.pandora.be/dajefn/PCPNP.rar

Wow those are very.... sinusoidal.... hard to believe the power supply is doing that... If you say that this is 1.1 kHz, with 1V+ peak to peak any input filtering on the mobo will have a hard time filtering this out. Which makes me think there is something wrong with the measurement process or you had a bad psu.

How did you measure this craig?

charlie

10-25-2004, 08:59 AM

Wow those are very.... sinusoidal.... hard to believe the power supply is doing that... If you say that this is 1.1 kHz, with 1V+ peak to peak any input filtering on the mobo will have a hard time filtering this out. Which makes me think there is something wrong with the measurement process or you had a bad psu.

How did you measure this craig?

but these results are consistent with more than ONE PCP&C....
I'm personally lovin' the idea of grabbing a Zippy 700W PSU :D
Although I'm s'pose to get an OCZ 520w today :D when fedex dude shows...

C

PMM

10-25-2004, 11:07 AM

Well I love my 510 DLX best PSU i've ever owned and i've owned a fare few

And I have Jeff to thank ;) would not give it up though a 850W one does sound nice
but it would mean another Case mod :lol:

LightSpeed

10-25-2004, 11:30 AM

Does the 425W Turbocool show similar results?

craig588

10-25-2004, 12:02 PM

craig588

10-25-2004, 12:03 PM

Does the 425W Turbocool show similar results?

I tested a 350 watt one and it was perfect. I don't belive I had a 425 when I was testing them. I tested at least 10 different PSUs, only the PCPNP 510 DLX had the problems, even their 180 watt PSU was perfect.

Falkentyne

10-26-2004, 02:53 AM

Craig:
Have you contacted PCP&C about this?
Please do so...what do they have to say about this issue??

uclajd

10-26-2004, 03:15 AM

FWIW, OCZ will be releasing a 600W Powerstream in the next 10 days. I will be getting that one. :slobber:

Cranox

10-26-2004, 05:03 AM

FWIW, OCZ will be releasing a 600W Powerstream in the next 10 days. I will be getting that one. :slobber:

Have u more info on that ?
Coz i need also a better powersuply

uclajd

10-26-2004, 05:06 AM

Have u more info on that ?
Coz i need also a better powersuply Like what? OCZ 600W Powerstream, will be announced this week, will ship sometime in the next 2.

STEvil

10-26-2004, 08:41 PM

sounds fun ;)

WeStSiDePLaYa

10-26-2004, 09:48 PM

come, variations like that seems like something pcpnc would have picked up on and corrected already.

hhhmmmm. where are the people doing these tests located? could it be because the are in europe and since the AC line they have is different it doesnt get noticed over here?