winchester OC results???

[slavik]

anyone crank one of these up yet???

seems like the big players (you people know who you are) don't want to bother with it ... :(

[blinky]

cuz its 512k cache right now, sooo.... no good in 3d

[SpaRat1k]

big players looking forward to fx55

[slavik]

what about all thouse people saying that the extra cache isn't worth anything in the "real" world?

I am assuming FX55 will cost both arms and a leg, just like FX53?

[blinky]

what about all thouse people saying that the extra cache isn't worth anything in the "real" world?

I am assuming FX55 will cost both arms and a leg, just like FX53?who defines whats teh real world? for people whos main focus in comps is 3dmark, that is the "real" world, and cache does matter

[charlie]

question is, if winchester can clock high enough to compensate for cache. I mean, IF WINCHESTER can go 2.75 on AIR, it'll beat the CG 1M @ 2.6....

[p4z1f1st]

cuz its 512k cache right now, sooo.... no good in 3d

no good for 3d (maybe 1k-2k points :rolleyes: ) and no good for the purse :rolleyes:

[blinky]

question is, if winchester can clock high enough to compensate for cache. I mean, IF WINCHESTER can go 2.75 on AIR, it'll beat the CG 1M @ 2.6....time will tell ;)

[slavik]

that's why the word is in quotes ;)

let's consider "real" as playing UT2k4, Doom3, HL2, STALKER, Far Cry ...

who defines whats teh real world? for people whos main focus in comps is 3dmark, that is the "real" world, and cache does matter

[LilGator]

that's why the word is in quotes ;)

let's consider "real" as playing UT2k4, Doom3, HL2, STALKER, Far Cry ...

If "real" is as defined above, there's no reason to upgrade...

[saaya]

question is, if winchester can clock high enough to compensate for cache. I mean, IF WINCHESTER can go 2.75 on AIR, it'll beat the CG 1M @ 2.6....

yeah, but the way its looking now it would have to oc to 2.9 or 3ghz on air to compensate for the little cache as the latest stepping ch cg chips do 2.8ghz on air :D

2.9ghz+ on air is rather unlikely... but who knows :D

[iboomalot]

as the latest stepping ch cg chips do 2.8ghz on air :D

:D


2.8 on air??? liquid air ;)

[saaya]

ok, correction, most 53's do 2.8ghz on air :D

[misteroadster]

i think , a good 512ko L2 939 A64 can hit near of 40K 2K1 @ the ricky's FX53 frequency. I can't prove this of course but i'm sure.
There is only about 2300pts 2K1 between 1Mo Vs 512 Mo
Not so bad.

[Crankster]

Now my friend you are making zero sense? Do you mean a crappier CPU at the same speed as an FX Would perform the same (?) No way jose! Besides it's very difficult to judge the megahertz like that. On some mobos and ram combos the difference will be a lot less...

[blinky]

that's why the word is in quotes ;)

let's consider "real" as playing UT2k4, Doom3, HL2, STALKER, Far Cry ...probably cache does help, but since its like 1fps difference, same with dual channel, it really doesnt affect your gaming experience

[saaya]

that again, is true....

the difference is notable, but percentage wise of the overall performence its minimal.

but to answer slavik's question, its basically because there are not really any 90nm a64 chips available in retail yet, thats why nobody is playing with them. and the big players who COULD get them already if they wanted only want the fastest... :)

[misteroadster]

Now my friend you are making zero sense? Do you mean a crappier CPU at the same speed as an FX Would perform the same (?) No way jose! Besides it's very difficult to judge the megahertz like that. On some mobos and ram combos the difference will be a lot less...
+42K 2K1 is actually doable if you take the ricky's FX , the OPP's cooling and a gigabyte K8nsnxp 939. :stick:
I 'd never said they performs the same , i said there is about 2K between them.

[Geforce4ti4200]

cuz its 512k cache right now, sooo.... no good in 3d




hes right, theres some 300MHz performance loss in 3dmark 2001, may be somewhat less in games with the loss of cache. However since its 90nm maybe itll oc alot higher, especially with prometeia to compenstate anyway. as for fx53/55 doing 2.8 on air, I have seen none that did that unless were talking chilled air ;)

[saaya]

there were 2 or 3 people who posted about reaching 2.8ghz on air here... might have been chilled air, dont remmeber :D

hmmm after checking soem more results i think i was wrong. the average oc seems to be 2.6ghz for most ch cg chips with the latest steppings ocing slightly better to 2.7ghz

[thephenom]

there were 2 or 3 people who posted about reaching 2.8ghz on air here... might have been chilled air, dont remmeber :D

lol chilled air.... wouldn't that make condensation? :p:

Only time will tell, but one thing for sure is that we ALL hope the winchester will OC nicely. :D

[saaya]

if the ambient air is cold there wont be any condensation :) thats why hardcore geeks take their rigs outside in winter ^^ :lol:

[slavik]

so ... socket754 Clawhammer is better than a socket939 winchester/newcastle???

then, it makes sense to get a CH on socket 754 ...

[Geforce4ti4200]

and youll be stuck with s754 while the winchesters only get better and ill go s939 and wait for amd to have 3GHz winchester. youd need to sell your cpu and mobo and start over while I already have a futureproof mobo

[saaya]

the winchesters look nice imo... but yeah, who knows how long amd will release new 754 cpus... because of the sc they will have to sell 1mb chips or clock them high wich will mean a certain model rating cpu on 754 will cost MORE than a 939 chip with the same rating...

but who knows what amd plans to do 754 wise... maybe there will be new 754 cpus. 1mb cache 90nm a64s in 754 would be very nice... but it would be kinda weird as 754 is supposed to be the value platform and 90nm 1mb chips will cost amd more than dc 512kb L2 cache chips...

hmmm dual core a64s will need a new board it seems since they consume a lot of power. will be the same as with prescotts i guess, some boards will be able to run them but will be too weak to keep a stable vcore for ocing.

so 754 ch cg now and 939 dual core in 1-2 years (or intel?) is still a good option... and 754 is cheap...