One team

[pythagoras]

Hi folders,

It has been an incredible success for the DF team in amalgamating. Soon people will not be able to DF any more. There is an oportunity to do a similar thing in F@H, however simply changing team names to xtreme will not work. In F@H points allocated to an individual and team stay with that team.

In order for this collaboration to work we would need to persuade the third party stats people to combine the scores. I feel confident that this can be done and it also has certain advantages. We get a united team score AND we can have a little bit of friendly competition between the sites as we can look at the stanford stats and see the scored for the site teams.

When I started this team I made a very serious promise that I would not change the team name without the team members permission. This remains true. If We can persuade the third party stats people to combine our scores who on the team, or indeed perspective new members, would want this?

Regards

John.

[Attitudx]

I think this is a great idea.

Quoted from JBell:
In reflection of the efforts put forth with our brothers in the DF battlefield, and how they came together for the cause and a goal of the higher rank The XtremeResources Stanford folding team has recieved a name change.


Our team is now team 'XTREME'



one word says it all.... XTREME

our passion runs deeper than any other alaince I have ever seen and glad to be a part of such a thriving goal hungry group of digeratis.


I only hope this passion is felt the same and seen the same way with other clicks of folders and forum members who will join us as we race and overclock our way back to our rightfull place amoung the stanford few....



Thanks guys now GET BACK TO WORK!

[PS2pcGAMER]

I haven't talked to anyone about this idea, but here goes.

Take 3365 and call it "Xtreme" like how it is.

Set the URL to http://www.xtremefolding.org (Jeff owns the domain, maybe he would be up for letting the team use it?)

Create a website that has news, stats, FAQs/guides and links to both XS and XR. It would be setup and run by members of both sites with no bias towards one side or the other.

Give control of the team login at stanford to DDTUNG or pythagoras or someone else that both sides agree with.

Both sites would keep their F@H forums and/or have a forum at XF.org...whatever works.

I have no idea if this would work, but it seems like it would be most fair to both sides. It would say quite a lot if we could get this to work.

Comments? I won't be offended if you disagree with me, so say what you feel.

[Jeff]

I don't think it's a bad idea... and if I had to give the XF.org domain to someone else to please "the team"... so be it. ;)

[Attitudx]

Originally posted by PS2pcGAMER
I haven't talked to anyone about this idea, but here goes.

Take 3365 and call it "Xtreme" like how it is.

Set the URL to http://www.xtremefolding.org (Jeff owns the domain, maybe he would be up for letting the team use it?)

Create a website that has news, stats, FAQs/guides and links to both XS and XR. It would be setup and run by members of both sites with no bias towards one side or the other.

Give control of the team login at stanford to DDTUNG or pythagoras or someone else that both sides agree with.

Both sites would keep their F@H forums and/or have a forum at XF.org...whatever works.

I have no idea if this would work, but it seems like it would be most fair to both sides. It would say quite a lot if we could get this to work.

Comments? I won't be offended if you disagree with me, so say what you feel.

Here we go. OK with the recent success of the joining of the DF teams, Joe took it as a kinda of piece offering to rename the F@H and try the same joining in success. The bad thing is this offering of basically a team he founded long ago has sadly gone in the direction of south. Some Points you have, might be fine but asking Joe to relinquish a login to a neutral party is kind of a slap in the face. That is how i see it anyway and I however am just speaking for Joe. I think i can quote him in saying he isnt going to give up his team. This was an offer he put out there to try to put XTREME back in business in the top of tops. I might get flamed, and i might get hammered on but honestly I dont see that happening, in his words i think it is something that he wont consider. Those of you that know Joe, this is something that he takes very seriously, I will quit for now. Again i am just a voice of Joe and wont prolly post again, on this topic

Thanks
Donnie

[PS2pcGAMER]

Yeah, I know F@H is his "baby" and he cares a lot for it. I am just saying I already know of a few members who would not fold for 3365 if Joe remains in control because of it being moved in the past. I was hoping everyone (on both sides) would be able to get over that, but I haven't given up hope yet. Ah well, didn't really hurt to throw the idea out there.

Personally, I don't care who owns the team...when I have been running F@H recently, the points have gone to 3365.


Edited for clarification and to fix typos.

[Jeff]

I hate the fact that one person can be in control of all those points. Why they don't allow the points to be moved is beyond me. :( No other project I'm involved with does this and I don't think FAH should either. :shrug: (but I know... they won't change it)

[Attitudx]

A Verbatum of Joe as I sent him what i had spoke for him on as i seemed that was the right thing to do and he wanted to clarify:

ok I should say something so here it is,.... I have dealt directly in the past about team names and such, I also know time is an important factor... stanford does not have the time nor the inclanation to make special codes on the server to track teams, their system is as it is. I do not seeing that changing and for us to ask them to do such is stealing time away from them analyzling our results for them.... so to me I thought with how well the DF teams came together I thought lets drop the association of team 3365 who is the highest ranked of them teams and lets get a general name to fit us and get back up on the charts.... to start new or any other way will not accomplish our goal fast enough. but Donnie is right I won't release my team... but I would be more than willing to help lead a team but not be owner... I fold for one reason, James Mills a great friend who died over two years ago from cancer... if people wont join the collective effort than I ask them to just keep folding.

As for me changing the team in the past, events happened which they still do not understand and for the time must not be explained. If the move of the new name and the question proposed isnt enough to drive us together than I do not know what would be.

if it were as simple as DF than I would most definitly say lets go that route, but this is Stanford and to meet the goal of being a top tier team ... this is the only way to get there fast.

[ctgilles]

United in 1 team would be great! Would make me fold for 3365 again :)

[PS2pcGAMER]

Originally posted by ctgilles
United in 1 team would be great! Would make me fold for 3365 again :)

Yeah, that would be a great thing to see.

[Paladin]

I think carrying the (re)unification over to F@H would be great! But since contributors have zero control over their contributed points the team leader has to be trusted. Unfortunately changing a team name that he's already twice changed without a vote and can change again at any time isn't enough to overcome JBELL's past onus.

If 2fast4u (current DF leader of "TOO XTREME") or HLH (founder of DF team, but gave leadership away voluntarily) was at the helm of team #3365, I'd hesitate no more than we did jumping in to "TOO XTREME". :up:

edit: The URL associated with the team doesn't matter to me in the slightest.

[skate2snow]

Just les forget the fact that its some points. Just being together whould just re-assembly the members, and let the manager do there things.

[pythagoras]

I dont see how the decision has anything to do with owners of sites, isnt this a decision for every member who folds? or am I missing something.

If we return this argument to what split the sites we will never unite the folding teams.

Guys this is simple, do you want one team or two?

If you want one team lets put some ideas together as to how to accomplish this. No flames no harking back to the split , that will be solved legally. Lets have some practical suggestions as to how we do this.

For christ sale it isnt rocket science. I'm sorry about that outburst, it really isnt like me, just getting a little frustrated I guess.

Regards

John.

[Rinsewand]

hi,
i was reading through this and felt it worthwhile to post. in my slightly out-sidish opinion, id would say it makes the most sense for everyone to unite and join 3365. The owner controls the points yes? and the team number will always be 3365 yes?

so if you want a number one team, who cares what the name is! i dont know this for sure, but im quiet confident JBELL doesnt have the power to delete points?! in which case, even if for some mad reason the name was changed, you'd still be in 3365, and everyone knows that 3365 is Xtreme's team, your team - one united team, and one that might achieve Xtremes' unwritten goal of being the best, most committed, and most xtreme group of people out there!

take that as you will. i for one will start F@H once DF ends on october 1st, and will hopefully be joining a united 3365.

thank you
RwD

[chilly1]

I dont see how the decision has anything to do with owners of sites, isnt this a decision for every member who folds? or am I missing something.

Exactly, that's why we haven't gotten involved. ;)

[pythagoras]

Who's we?;)

[Attitudx]

Originally posted by pythagoras
Who's we?;)

the owners of the site

[PGgagne]

Guys, why dont we just let the members decide were they go???

[pythagoras]

Well this seemed like a good idea, unfortunately emotions are still raw. I think the way forward for now is for people to get behind the df effort until it folds, hehehehe, then we get our F@H team going. Courts will decide the rest, shame it has to come to that.

I would like to make one point clear however. I didnt recieve any communication from the owners of this site, either agreeing with the initiative or discouraging it. That is, they did not try to sway things either way.

Pity it didnt pan out but thats life, lets move on and build a really strong team soon, very soon;)

Regards

John.

[felix88]

you know, i haven't posted here in a long time, but i've been chatting with saaya via PM recently, and i felt inclined to throw my opinion in here.

i think it would be great to get the team back together again. it would be nice to fold as a single team.

of course, it's a tad more difficult than that. as some want to start a new team, while others wish to stick with 3365.

:2cents:

[Kazoo]

Good to see you back felix. :)

[felix88]

hey there Kazoo.

i guess i could have been more specific in my post.

does anyone have any other ideas? i really do think it would be great to have a unified team, and maybe people on both sides have calmed down enough to come to an agreement on what to do.

[2fast4u]

It is so simple. If you want to be part of 3365 then fold for 3365. If for whatever reason you are more comfortable elsewhere then fold elsewhere, but FOLD.

Conversation about splits and things that happened in the past will not be resolved here and do nothing to promote folding for the cause. Jbell has stated his position, some agree, and some don't. That will not be changed by debating a mute point in the open forums. It will only bring out more hard feelings and further divide those who don't see eye to eye. So lets drop it and get back to folding for whatever team you may choose.

Just my rant for the day.

[DaveX]

JBELL created the F@H team and even if the leader changes...I still think he should have some say in what the team does. He did move the points twice but I don't think there was any way he would have not moved the team after what happened.

Potential leaders: 2fast, Echo, Rodzilla. Sorry, no FUGGER :(

[felix88]

2fast4u, you are right. but trying to get the team back together isn't a bad thing. gotta try, ya know?

[JBELL]

JBELL created the F@H team and even if the leader changes...I still think he should have some say in what the team does. He did move the points twice but I don't think there was any way he would have not moved the team after what happened.

Potential leaders: 2fast, Echo, Rodzilla. Sorry, no FUGGER :(



my turn

Yep I created her... I remain the leader too, but 2fast and tweaked have done more than I have been able to. The team stays 3365 but is team XTREME, NOT XS, NOT XR... just like DF I hope to accomplish the same ideal... different teams working together for the cause, and secondarily for the goal of being top ten.

Now I know some people hate me .. fine hate me.. but fold whether it is with 3365 or not. the cause needs you more than the idea of being one team.

I am in the works of building a nuetral website to house the folding team to truly make it unique unto itself. Jeff - I registered xtremefolding.info not realizing you had the .com.... lack of checking on my part. I hope you don't mind me using the .info being the name is similar otherwise I can create a different name and so not confuse anything you do with your site.


But back to the subject of me being leader. I'm sorry your hung up on that but as long as you fold then your a competitor and I will try harder to out fold you, so either way the cause wins... so I say the issue of who I am doesn't even matter really, it's a win-win for stanford.



JBELL

[Attitudx]

well put once i get better cooling i will be back in the hunt for folding i just cant see running that hot sorry boys but hey FOLD TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice Post count there Joe I am actually ahead of you WOOOHOOO, you will prolly catch me by tomorrow anyways hehe

[JBELL]

well put once i get better cooling i will be back in the hunt for folding i just cant see running that hot sorry boys but hey FOLD TO FOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice Post count there Joe I am actually ahead of you WOOOHOOO, you will prolly catch me by tomorrow anyways hehe


count on it! :hehe:

[chilly1]

I can fix that post count! LOL:D Actually that has been taken away from me...

[Attitudx]

count on it! :hehe:


Oh i do i know you tooo well :bs:

[Kazoo]

First, Jbell, welcome back.

As for folding, XS will have a folding team. In about a week or so, we will hold a poll and the members will decide where and for what cause they want to fold for. Standford is a good cause and will definitely be considered.

[JBELL]

First, Jbell, welcome back.

As for folding, XS will have a folding team. In about a week or so, we will hold a poll and the members will decide where and for what cause they want to fold for. Standford is a good cause and will definitely be considered.



good deal then .. I hope its stanford, I enjoy competition. but any cause is worth while in my book.

[Rodzilla]

First, Jbell, welcome back.

As for folding, XS will have a folding team. In about a week or so, we will hold a poll and the members will decide where and for what cause they want to fold for. Standford is a good cause and will definitely be considered.

Good post... It needs to be noted that the XS members still need to decide where to go. There are a lot of ideas out there on the table and now that the forums are up and going I'm sure there will be a lot of talk about our next move. It's a decision that the whole team has to make.

[saaya]

2fast4u, you are right. but trying to get the team back together isn't a bad thing. gotta try, ya know? :toast: exactly

...so I say the issue of who I am doesn't even matter really...

JBELL then why do you persist in having full control over the team and the points?

oh, and wb to xs :D

why did you register xtremefolding.info ? to make the folding team neutral? :confused:

Good post... It needs to be noted that the XS members still need to decide where to go. There are a lot of ideas out there on the table and now that the forums are up and going I'm sure there will be a lot of talk about our next move. It's a decision that the whole team has to make.

yeah, i really hope the team wont split up though because some just dont want to go back to 3365 :/
i really hope we can keep the team united.

imo its sad that most of you care more about beeing in a top team and having many points points points and points, rather than caring about the team you fold with.

id love the idear of a new united neutral team that starts from scratch :D
you gain a couple of ranks every day and you see the progress clearly and after more and more time more and more teams get worried about a new team rushing up the ranks :hehe: hehehehe i think thats way more exciting than beeing in a top10 team that fold for weeks or longer to gain one rank...

just me 2 cents :)

i like the idear of a new united f@h team and 3365 with somebody else in control of the team.

and the idear about having the folding discussions on xf was a weird idear to me first, and i didnt like the thougt of having to switch to a new forum all the time, but i think its a great compromise and will make us all work together more closely and forget the xs xr background :)

im very glad you would accept that jeff! :toast:

and cool to see you here felix :)
and dont worry donnie, i dont think you will get flamed :toast:

[Rodzilla]

It is so simple. If you want to be part of 3365 then fold for 3365. If for whatever reason you are more comfortable elsewhere then fold elsewhere, but FOLD.

Conversation about splits and things that happened in the past will not be resolved here and do nothing to promote folding for the cause. Jbell has stated his position, some agree, and some don't. That will not be changed by debating a mute point in the open forums. It will only bring out more hard feelings and further divide those who don't see eye to eye. So lets drop it and get back to folding for whatever team you may choose.

Just my rant for the day.


I like the tame direction this thread is taking!! Keep it up!

2fast4u... The goal is to keep the XS team together there will have to be a vast consensus on where we go and what we do! So simply put... half going to the XR F@H team and the other half going where they feel comfortable isn’t going to happen! We made great strides as a team and it would be insane to break that up!

[Craig]

I like the tame direction this thread is taking!! Keep it up!

2fast4u... The goal is to keep the XS team together there will have to be a vast consensus on where we go and what we do! So simply put... half going to the XR F@H team and the other half going where they feel comfortable isn’t going to happen! We made great strides as a team and it would be insane to break that up!

Keeping the team unified is a good goal, but it may not be realistic. As I understand things there are more issues with F@H than who is the capt. & of what team. I know that DDTung has posted he won't do F@H due to a past insult from some admin there. And there are others who I've seen post much the same, although at least some of the others may go back to it when DF ends. So for differant reasons there are going to be some who are not interested in one program or another, that's the right of the individual to decide. (For what it's worth, DF also has a admin who's got a real talant for alienating folks as well. A sad situation considering they NEED help from private people, then insult them.)

I did find JBell's post regarding his setting up a new server just for folding of interest. Would like to hear more about it, and what the advantage of a separate server is intended to be.

[Rodzilla]

Keeping the team unified is a good goal, but it may not be realistic. As I understand things there are more issues with F@H than who is the capt. & of what team. I know that DDTung has posted he won't do F@H due to a past insult from some admin there. And there are others who I've seen post much the same, although at least some of the others may go back to it when DF ends. So for differant reasons there are going to be some who are not interested in one program or another, that's the right of the individual to decide. (For what it's worth, DF also has a admin who's got a real talant for alienating folks as well. A sad situation considering they NEED help from private people, then insult them.)

I did find JBell's post regarding his setting up a new server just for folding of interest. Would like to hear more about it, and what the advantage of a separate server is intended to be.

All good points that I'm fully aware of. It all depends on what the vast majority of the team wants to do. There would also have to be an overwhelming vote of confidence on this from XR. There are a lot of thing that need to happen. I have seen DDTUNG's remarks on this... And it's sad that things are so bad that he wouldn't be willing to follow the team... He's not the team leader... but he has always led by example.

Question for ya all... If XS creates its own F@H team can we run that for a while and then move to the Xtreme team? That might be a really smart approach IMO. :toast:

[saaya]

dont forget you cant merge teams afaik, so all the points we make in that xs team will be lost as soon as we move to a united team :/

correct me if im wrong

[PS2pcGAMER]

dont forget you cant merge teams afaik, so all the points we make in that xs team will be lost as soon as we move to a united team :/

correct me if im wrong

You are correct.

[Rodzilla]

That's what I wanted to know. Thanks!

That sucks BTW...

[saaya]

sure does... :/

[Iridium192_217]

I think a united team is a good idea. I'm all for it.

[skate2snow]

Where is that poll???

[saaya]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42813

here :)

[skate2snow]

It wasnt there when I posted;)

[saaya]

:doh: didnt check the date of your post :D

[DaveX]

FUGGER has decided on not joining team 3365

but i joined team 3365 anyways :)

[skate2snow]

I think that when FUGGER will know that 3365 is no more the captain of 3365, he will probably start thinking about it a little more.

But something I REALLY have to say, is that FUGGER WILL NOT choose who will fold for who!

[Rodzilla]

Not a good idea to :stick: at Fugger guys...

Especially when you don't know what's going on behind the scenes... Post like these make it very difficult to hold constructive talks... ppl are burning bridges faster than they can be built. Knock it off!

[skate2snow]

Nono, I didnt meen any offence. I was just saying that the decision of which team anyone will go his there own choice.

I personnaly got explained to FUGGER(abut 3months ago) that he could considere me as a neutral friend....

[Rodzilla]

Nono, I didnt meen any offence. I was just saying that the decision of which team anyone will go his there own choice.

I personnaly got explained to FUGGER(abut 3months ago) that he could considere me as a neutral friend....

That's not how it reads... and you're not the only one :stick:ing Fugger about this... It's getting old and no one knows what's going on... There is no need to attack a fellow XS member... especially Fugger! Fugger is the XS god! :lol:

No one should assume that it's all Fugger’s doing that things are the way they are... Just let it rest... there is nothing more that anyone on XS can do to make this work... it's out of our hands now.

:)

[FUGGER]

I asked that the team stay together no matter where they went, for the most part it has.

Who has control of team 3365? Not that it matters.

Jbell has a voice here, does he wish to discuss it?

[JBELL]

I asked that the team stay together no matter where they went, for the most part it has.

Who has control of team 3365? Not that it matters.

Jbell has a voice here, does he wish to discuss it?


I stated my peace ... there is zero to discuss IMO, the only outcome I care about is the cuase... how YOU do it... I don't care, but if as another team... and if on f@h... I'll just fold harder anyways out of competition. Isn't that what it's about? Somepeople hate me and refuse to do certain things...


As for owner why do you care... your not joining my team you stated such before cause I owned it... well now I don't and I did it because I'm too busy to stay on top of it all and I don't think who runs it is anyones concern... see this way no one can pull any :banana::banana::banana::banana: about it, well I just undercut that whole argument....


I won't deny my liking of one huge :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: of a team kicking folding ass but I kinda like the idea of out folding most people as well anyways... to put it nicely.

If for a different program? great... have fun and good luck and watch 3365 rejoin the top tier ranks real soon. The only thing is that I hope its for a cause like fodling and not the dumbass dolphin stuff that counts keystrokes....

[FUGGER]

"there is zero to discuss IMO" tell that to skate and all the other folding members

People seem to think the new owner will make a difference, thanks for clearing that up for us.

I know you fear questions from me :stick:

[JeffPH]

glad to see you guys clear things out..... hope to see team xtreme on top!!!!!

Fold on guys!!!!

[Crankster]

The air in this thread is crackling with static! *shazizzle*
I agree with JBELL on this, the whole being one team thing is not as important as folding. I have been my own for more than six months in various small projects.

[JBELL]

"there is zero to discuss IMO" tell that to skate and all the other folding members

People seem to think the new owner will make a difference, thanks for clearing that up for us.

I know you fear questions from me :stick:


I don't fear anything from you...
it's quite simple, I've done enough here and to explain myself any further is not warrented and not neccessary and not forthright.

I have told skate and others.. you think I told people to sell 3365 overhere... I made the offer public and that was as far as I intended, its a simple black or white situation here 3365 or something else it does not matter anymore, I can't control free will nor will I try. Do want ya want but what I would like has already been discussed and won't be discussed any further. IF people don't like me... fine don't be around me, I wont cry over it. But if you want a powerful team that has a competing chance... that door is still open.



As for me doing anythign further... Im not cause Im not the controlling factor and don't have time for trhese petty games.

[JBELL]

The air in this thread is crackling with static! *shazizzle*
I agree with JBELL on this, the whole being one team thing is not as important as folding. I have been my own for more than six months in various small projects.



ed zacrey... the hoops and fire to jump through isn't worth it... ''the juice is not worth the squeeze'' to quote a movie here. ...but the cuase is worth it. the goal and destination must be reached... I don't care about how you get there... lets just get there.

[FUGGER]

Pathagoras, respecting you and staying civil in your thread. We will still work towards unification. we probably can make more progress in this direction now that JBELL has folded. get it,... folded. :toast:

JBELL, you are the cause for all of the problems (reality check).

[JBELL]

Pathagoras, respecting you and staying civil in your thread. We will still work towards unification. we probably can make more progress in this direction now that JBELL has folded. get it,... folded. :toast:

JBELL, you are the cause for all of the problems (reality check).

I didn't fold anything, I said I gave the team to someone I knew and trusted... I got a job to do that requires more of me than I have and I cant be loved by all.... not my fault people act so petty.

[skate2snow]

Ah, come on guys, that are things I was hearing at primary school....

[JBELL]

Ah, come on guys, that are things I was hearing at primary school....



its all retarded and I tried staying out of it.. but if Im the topic of discussion.. then lets discuss.


and I stated my point and it still has not changed.

Im done with it

*CLICK*

[DaveX]

who cares, let ppl fold for who they want

it would be nice to be one team but looks like it won't happen so oh well...

i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it

[JBELL]

who cares, let ppl fold for who they want

it would be nice to be one team but looks like it won't happen so oh well...

i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it


:toast:

[Rodzilla]

I wouldn't go as far as saying it looks like it's not going to happen...

I see this as a 2 steps forward 1 step back situation. We will get there eventually....

I really want this to happen and it's good we can talk about it and be civil/constructive!

Thanks for tending to this issue JBell & Fugger... In the end it will be great for all involved to be on a united team... just look what it did for DF!!!!! That was phenomenal!!!!! And I have grown quite fond of the XR folks... it sucks that I have to see them split off to another team... But I'm happy for 3365 because it will be a boost to our future home.

It's inevitable... XS will end up folding with XR in 3365. But that won't happen until there are no longer sides... XS & XR... If we all give it a little thought... and some TLC I know it can be done. We all need to be willing to give a little and take a little. I'll do whatever it takes.

I think we have lost sight of what a united team would do for the project as a whole... Sure the competition between the 2 separate teams will lift our overall production... but that can't compare to the feeling of being one of the hardest teams on the block! We have already seen the combined folding power in DF... we were a top 2 team from the get go! Imagine what would have happened if DF wouldn't have stopped?!?!?!?!?!?! The moral boost would have been tremendous! It would have been easy to get new people to join such a strong team! We would have dominated and no could have stopped us! That would have pushed the project along faster and faster!

So yes... it does make a difference. It's good for the teams and it's even better for the project IMHO!

I want more serious talks about this… maybe in a not so public thread… where the invested parties can discuss this. I firmly believe that it would be good for everyone, not to mention the project, to discuss this and get it done. Cowboy the F up!

Nuff said!

[FUGGER]

Steps forward.

Thanks all, please vote in folding poll.

[Rodzilla]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42813

[Craig]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=42813


Ummm,

That poll is closed.

[Rodzilla]

yes it is! :toast:

:moon: :bananal: :banana4: :wierd:

[felix88]

it's closed and F@H came out ahead.

now we've just got to get the kinks worked out on this united team thing.

[Kazoo]

Please see link:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=560161&postcount=40

This thread is now closed.

[saaya]

I wouldn't go as far as saying it looks like it's not going to happen...

I see this as a 2 steps forward 1 step back situation. We will get there eventually....

I really want this to happen and it's good we can talk about it and be civil/constructive!

Thanks for tending to this issue JBell & Fugger... In the end it will be great for all involved to be on a united team... just look what it did for DF!!!!! That was phenomenal!!!!! And I have grown quite fond of the XR folks... it sucks that I have to see them split off to another team... But I'm happy for 3365 because it will be a boost to our future home.

It's inevitable... XS will end up folding with XR in 3365. But that won't happen until there are no longer sides... XS & XR... If we all give it a little thought... and some TLC I know it can be done. We all need to be willing to give a little and take a little. I'll do whatever it takes.

I think we have lost sight of what a united team would do for the project as a whole... Sure the competition between the 2 separate teams will lift our overall production... but that can't compare to the feeling of being one of the hardest teams on the block! We have already seen the combined folding power in DF... we were a top 2 team from the get go! Imagine what would have happened if DF wouldn't have stopped?!?!?!?!?!?! The moral boost would have been tremendous! It would have been easy to get new people to join such a strong team! We would have dominated and no could have stopped us! That would have pushed the project along faster and faster!

So yes... it does make a difference. It's good for the teams and it's even better for the project IMHO!

I want more serious talks about this… maybe in a not so public thread… where the invested parties can discuss this. I firmly believe that it would be good for everyone, not to mention the project, to discuss this and get it done. Cowboy the F up!

Nuff said!

x-actly!

a united xtreme team will mess up the ranks badly and will give all of us, and all of the big teams in the ranks around us a huge boost. this would increase the overall production in f@h way more than having an xs and xr team... everybody is tired of ahving an xs and xr team to compete with... i would not have fun competing with team 3365 if the xs team would be a rank behind them... it would just be sad...

im surprised to see you 2 big guys talking with each other, not beeing very nice tbh, but your talking :D :lol: