I have begun benching my 9500@9700, first run with gpu at stock

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8048660


stock 275/270(540) clocks with 256 bit ram yet it cant beat my ti200 at 260/540 with 128 bit ram? :confused: This isnt looking good for ati then. I know 3dmark is just one benchmark and game to me, but still.......


http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8038823

My ti200 is eating my stock 9500np in every test but its tied in car and lobby high and only losing in car low to my 9500np. I know I didnt buy this 9500@9700 just for 3dmark, I bought it for its dx9 effects and better IQ in games but I honestly dont know if it can beat out my ti4200 in raw speed, even after I softmod and overclock this 9500np. I can run games with my ti4200 or 9700 depending which card runs which game faster. I expect my 9700 to edge out my ti4200 in farcry but I believe doom3 will go to the ti4200. Dont get me wrong, both the ti4200 and 9700 are fine cards when fully overclocked especially and both will offer me lots of punch for todays and tomorows games. I am gonna max out this 9500np in clock speeds then its on to softmod it and I wonder if I can take out 20k with a modded and overclocked 9500np with the cpu bottleneck


update: I pushed the ram to 365MHz so far and my nature is only 63.7, a 2fps increase. This further confirms the fact my ram is indeed 256 bits but the 4 pipes of the 9500np is almost a 100% bottleneck. There was very little artifacting and in a strange way too, a few butterflies had 3 inch long solid trails pointing away from them! otherwise it was perfect! my 9800pro artifacted much more at 365 ram than this 9500np!!!!!! :eek:

[Çhrist0ph]

it must be using only 4 pipelines, because my old 9700np at stock did 15-16k

[Geforce4ti4200]

yea, well bad news is the core begins to stutter much past 300MHz. at 360MHz its stuttering like crazy and the fps are halved or something like that. no white dots or anything either, has anyone had anything like this before? its very puzzling too! I am gonna go ahead and softmod it to 8 pipes and see what happens. If it checkerboards, artifacts or stutters, its going back on ebay and im going back to my ti4200 ive known and loved so much. I will buy another one in a few months when the 6600 and 6600gt cause prices of those to hopefully fall more. I am not impressed at all, sure it has dx9 but the core sucks! and so far, its slower than my ti200!

[Çhrist0ph]

save yourself the trouble just buy a retail 9800 Pro. Most do 400+ core out of the box.

edit: btw, it's the year 2004 if you haven't noticed;) j/k

[Geforce4ti4200]

I read around and people speak of a way to softmod it using rivatuner, please tell me how to! If I cant find a way to or if it doesnt work, my ti200 will crush that [rotfl]

I had a 9800 pro, it cant really overclock, If I can make this 9700np cooperate, it will eat my 9800 pro. If not im going back to my MUCH faster ti4200

[All Kill3r]

crappy oc'er or not, i would use the 9800pro over the 9500np

gl with what your doing.

honestly, i would sell all those cards you have laying around and get a x800 or 6800 series card. :eek:

[boshi]

that isnt a 9700np.

I have a 9700np, and it does 430 on the core with no mods and air cooling. My 9700np got me 18.5K with a pretty weak AXP and a really low FSB with some crappy CH-5.

[Geforce4ti4200]

good god, thats higher than most 9800 pros! Well my ti4200 is still faster than that, but I think I should be breaking 20k with this 9500np!


Installation of SoftR9700 with Rivatuner:
Select Power User
Click on the Open Patch Script button
Browse to: /PatchScripts/ATI/SoftR9700/
Open and execute the scipt, You MUST agree to the license!
Hit continue and point the script towards thge spot where ati2mtag.sys is located (usually /Windows/system32/drivers/ and patch it.
Restart and start benchmarking


I looked at that, clicked the poweruser tab but I cant find the "Click on the Open Patch Script button" where is it located?

[Geforce4ti4200]

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/acemann/where.bmp


where am I supposed to click? :confused:

[bldegle2]

30 seconds after downloading to figure it out, it was very simple.

hint, you are looking in a completely WRONG place for the patch.

hehe, 3dMark has your brain in lockout.

baldy

[Geforce4ti4200]

someone in another forum said I had the wrong verson of rivatuner, I needed the canadite 14.3 and it worked. Good news now is I have 8 pipes! Bad news is that its stuttering like crazy and decimating my fps the higher I oc it. even at stock 275MHz core it stutters a little. I get 99.2fps(would be like 103) without stuttering(this crushes my 9800 pro which gets 100.1 at the clocks my stock 9700 is at) Could there be a chance the 4.9s are messing me up or doesnt like my 9700np? it has no prob with my 9800p though. There is a silencer so heat isnt an issue. Has anyone gotten this suttering problem and whats up with that? I have no had any good experiences with upgrading my ti4200 so far

[DrJay]

Gf4: Dude, how do you figure that 18.5k is more than what most 9800pros can score??
Remember about a week and a half ago, when you posted here asking peoples' opinions on you getting a 9500np because your 9800pro wouldn't clock like you wanted?? We told you that most likely it wouldn't even reach the speeds of you 9800. This is what you get......
In a sick sorta way, it kinda makes me happy.:D

Just think if everybody on these forums started 15 - 20 threads about their various vid cards they have lying around.......oh what a cluster!

[Geforce4ti4200]

The guy who sold it to me said it does at least 350/350 clocks, but the problem is I dont get artifacts, it just stutters and the fps decimate. I cant get over 300 core with 4 pipes and I cant overclock at all after doing the 8 pipe mod. The ram does 350+ fine but somethings up with the core! I dont yet know if its a software or hardware problem. also 18.5k is for those with slower cpus

[DrJay]

Just remember Gf4, most 9500np's are stock 1.5 Vgpu. Most 9800's are 1.7 Vgpu @ stock. I think you would need to try about 1.8 (with improved cooling) before you can say it wont clock. Get out the soldering iron buddy!!!

[DrJay]

BTW, IMO 350mhz mem on a 9500np is very good!!

[Geforce4ti4200]

its already vmodded by the last guy I bought it off from. I thought my floppy connector was bad so I tried another, no go. Its a shame clocking the ram does next to nothing since the gpus clocks are too low to take advantage. I clocked my cpu down, tried running without the floppy connector(posted with warning so I shutdown) nothing helps with the stuttering. any other ideas?

[All Kill3r]

get your 9800pro back.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I am not pleased with my 9800 pro either, at stock its not too much better than my super tweaked ti4200. I think ill stick to ti4200, it can honestly handle anything fine, maybe not at 1600x1200 but I havent had luck so far with ati

[All Kill3r]

but you have to game on them to make that call. A 9800pro might not be much ahead of your ti4200 in 3dmark01 but it smacks it around in gaming and 03. Thats what matters.

[JetForcegeminiX]

he doesnt' really game tohugh just 3dmark01..

[Geforce4ti4200]

very well, I will try it in games. keep in mind I can do 1280x960 in farcry at stock ti4600 speeds. Lets see how a stock 9500np does(since it stutters when oced) If the stock 9500np can beat my ti4200 at ti4600 clocks in that game, it should beat my ti4200 in most other games except maybe doom3. If not, I am sticking with my ti4200 for a while

[Karnivore]

You keep messing with this antique, and that old stuff, and saying it was supposed to do this, might do that... Give all that old junk away, sell it, whatever you can do! Keep your one good 4200 so you can manage the addiction, AND BUY ONE GOOD CARD! You'll be set for another 4 years or 100,000 posts

which ever comes sooner:wierd:

[Romaster]

heh a 9500np will never beat a ti4200@4600speed.. thats pretty obvious without testing it...

so your 9800pro couldnt get much over 412core if i recall thats what you said, but its still superior to anything your ti4200 can do, get it back :P

[Geforce4ti4200]

I heard agp will die off so I dont think theres any more point getting an agp card, might as well wait for a pci-e mobo and pci-e ti4200 or something

[Frank E. BoNeS]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
.....and pci-e ti4200 or something


Are you serious? :stick:


Why don't you sell off all your old video cards and put that money towards a X800 or 6800?

[Shade00]

Why do you even post? You obviously know more than everyone else here, as you never pay any heed to the advice or criticism that people give.

We told you to stick with the 9800 Pro. We told you that you needed to tweak some more. You insisted that it was the card's fault, though. You said the same thing about your 8500 (which you still have tried again in your new setup - why not?), and now you're saying it about this wonder 9500np.

If you would simply stop buying crap, you might be satisfied for once.

You persist in comparing stock clocks to other cards overclocked. Sure, a Ti4200 overclocked to the max will beat the pants off a stock 9700. It's a fact. What does that tell you? Nothing. Same thing with the Ti200 vs. the 9500np.

Originally posted by Frank E. BoNeS
Are you serious? :stick:


Why don't you sell off all your old video cards and put that money towards a X800 or 6800?

Yes, he is serious. The reason he doesn't do it is because he doesn't actually listen to anything anyone posts. Sure, it's fun to mess around with old cards sometimes, but this is getting out of hand. I would never go back to a 9500np from a 9800 Pro, and I especially would never go back to a Ti4200.

[-=TriX=-]

Originally posted by Karnivore
You keep messing with this antique, and that old stuff, and saying it was supposed to do this, might do that... Give all that old junk away, sell it, whatever you can do! Keep your one good 4200 so you can manage the addiction, AND BUY ONE GOOD CARD! You'll be set for another 4 years or 100,000 posts

which ever comes sooner:wierd:

LMAO!!

man,xtreme has alot of quality members, but as always nothing's perfect so we can expect a few bad apples (GF4 and Kanavit) ;) (all in good fun bois)

I heard agp will die off so I dont think theres any more point getting an agp card, might as well wait for a pci-e mobo and pci-e ti4200 or something

You heard this from the same guy that said cars will use combustion engines one day, there will be indoor plubming one day, and that one day we'll use 32-bit software instead of 8 and 16 bit, right?

Have you seen the performance of PCI Express offerings compared to the current AGP standard? Take a look here: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2091&p=12

Granted these are on an intel lga775 system and early in the life of the PCI Express, but the point is that for the most part there is no improvement thus far w/ PCI Express over AGP so don't expect PCI Express to be implemented overnight.

and pci-e ti4200

just ....... http://forum.skill-club.com/images/smilies/dots.gif I'd like to think you are joking, but we know you are serious so just..... http://forum.skill-club.com/images/smilies/dots.gif

[Romaster]

You heard this from the same guy that said cars will use combustion engines one day, there will be indoor plubming one day, and that one day we'll use 32-bit software instead of 8 and 16 bit, right? LOL


heh am i the only person out there who doesnt hate kanavit? he's a nice guy when you get to know him, a bit zealous.. but its fine =/

EDIT: lol a pci-e ti4200.. thats err damn.. i cant really define that...

cept these nice emoticons.. :frag: and... :explode:

[Geforce4ti4200]

why not? nvidia is making a *gasp* pci-e mx440 and fx5200! anyway before you critisize me for saying the 9800 pro is faster, my 9500@9700 was advertized to outperform 9800 pros, I made this post to talk about it and also ask for help. Stop flaming me for a second, grow up a bit and help me with the problem. you see, if I push the core at all, it begins to stutter, worse as I push it higher. I have also emailed the seller to see what he says. I talked to one of my friends, he says stuttering is when the core is clocked too high, but dude I am at 275MHz! Is there something I am doing wrong or is the core fudged?

[Karnivore]

This card cooled with stock cooler? Have you checked TIM and contact? My first (early) 9700P the Heatsink barely made contact with the core, two reasons, one the shim was way high, and two, the Stock heatsink was quite uneven, being uneven was not obvious until I started lapping it... Even though the poor contact it still left a decent impression in the TIM..

Card I'm referencing did 10 over on the core, out of the box, and overheated (stuttered) badly at that speed...

[Romaster]

maybe you need to apply some voltages?

btw everytime i think heat is the problem, whether stuttering

(which i experienced at 450core while playing cs.. hmm strange it only happened in cs and when i wasnt moving my aimer...)

i grab a big 18" oscilliating fan, point that sucker straight at the open case, and put it on 3 :D , if it still stutters, ull know its not heat... guess then its just the voltages or probably the core reaching its limit

[Shade00]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
why not? nvidia is making a *gasp* pci-e mx440 and fx5200! anyway before you critisize me for saying the 9800 pro is faster, my 9500@9700 was advertized to outperform 9800 pros, I made this post to talk about it and also ask for help. Stop flaming me for a second, grow up a bit and help me with the problem. you see, if I push the core at all, it begins to stutter, worse as I push it higher. I have also emailed the seller to see what he says. I talked to one of my friends, he says stuttering is when the core is clocked too high, but dude I am at 275MHz! Is there something I am doing wrong or is the core fudged?

1) Do as Karnivore said and double-check the shim. Make sure your HSF is making good contact.

2) Did you try the card on a fresh install? I've had stuttering happen because of driver issues. Also, make sure fast writes are off.

3) You said this card was already vmodded. Are you properly equipped to check the voltages?

Your Ebay seller might have been blowing smoke up your Ti4200. Who knows.

Now, for the rest of it... there will most likely not be a PCI-E Ti4200. AFAIK Nvidia isn't even making those cores anymore. The MX440 is still shipped to OEMs quite a bit, so it will continue to be in production for a while.

Don't act like no one will help you. You've established yourself in your own manner and we simply respond. Plus, we tried to help you before you bought this card. You post incredible amounts of nonsense and then expect people to overlook that completely when something else goes wrong.

[Geforce4ti4200]

It came with a silencer and the fan was on low, I switched it to high before I even installed the card. I can touch the back of the pcb and its not even hot. also the silencer is bolted to the pcb with screws and isnt loose at all. I just installed the card strait out of the box, if it has problems, then it would have been the same for him too, lets see what he says in the email. fast writes are off and drivers arent the prob. the mods are fixed resistors and I have not touched or moved them. Ok on no pci-e ti4200s, doesnt matter much my friend says agp wont die just yet and also he says there may be pci-e to agp adaptor. I understand some of you are a bit peeved at some of the things I have said and I know 9800 pros normally beat 9700s but I believe I have an exception. a stock 9800 pro wont make me happy, I am too
"xtreme" for this ;)

[boshi]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
good god, thats higher than most 9800 pros! Well my ti4200 is still faster than that, but I think I should be breaking 20k with this 9500np!



just to give you an idea of the speed difference:

my 9700np @ 450/309

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7950118

my 9800XT @ 430/410

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8001100

I'm gonna be running the 97np on my A64 system when it arrives next week, so I'll see if I can break 20K, or maybe 23K which is the highest 97np score in the orb.

[Mini]

Haha :D I still dont get you... You buy like 15 small crappy cards and run the trying to tweak them to the edge... You have bought a a64 3400+ right??? Dont you think you are wasting money...

3400+ with a old graficcard is a BIG ass bottleneck... Were moving on to 2005 and you are buying cards from 2002???

You have like 10 crappy cards.. Sell them or throw them out... Next time you get tempted to reach the WWOOOOOWW 20k barrier with some cheap card then stop and think... "Hey if i saved up my money like 2-3 months and did a good job... Maybe got a part time job for 2-4 weeks i would have enough money for a X800 series card or a 6800 series card...

Then you could break 20k stock... And play ALL the games you want in almost any resolution...

I think its farout listening to you saying that you want a card not only for benching and then you buy 9500NONpro???

9500NONpro isnt even supposed to compete against TI4200???

Stop this insanity and get a new card... Then play a game in a nice resolution with nice graphics...

I dont get it... You had a 9800pro and i quote "I bought it for its dx9 effects and better IQ in games but I honestly dont know if it can beat out my ti4200 in raw speed,"

Are you INSANE??? stick to your 9800pro... It has DX9 and kicks ass on both those LAME ass cards...

Edit: I might sound a bit harshe up there... But hey... What the hell are you doing??? When i first read your posts i thought:

"Ok this dude is doing quite good... He's on a TI4200 but hey maybe he hasnt so much money???"

Then i heard you saying "I think a can reach XXXXXX if just i could tweak it a bit more... Perhaps XXX Mhz here and XXX Mhz there.." 5 million times...

Then you gor a 9800pro.. I seriously thought you were joking... But hey that was good... You could play games over 1024x768 with all details on...

Then i hear you going from 9800pro to 9500NP??? Because your seller said that it could beat a 9800pro?? Didnt you ask for a 3dmark link???

I mean hell... I thought you had some knowledge... But you just sound like a big newbie now? You SERIOUSLY thought that a 9500NP could beat a 9800pro... Not a stock 9800pro... But a slightly OC 9800pro??? God damnit man...

You are ALWAYS complaining... And no wonder... "I think i can reach 3Ghz on air... Im ALLREADY at 2.6..." What the hell of a comment is that???

"I think my P4 will do 6Ghz on air... Hey what the hell... Im allready at 3.8..."

Dude do yourself a favour... Get a 9800pro/XT or a X800/6800 series card... Even a Geforce6800 is ok... You could softmod it to a 6800GT and hope it could reach Ultra clocks... Then you have a 6800U...

I swear when i read Shade00's sig i laughed my :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:ing ass off... Not because its that funny... I didnt know if i should cry or laugh... Im sitting in a school with like 200 people i dont know and laughing my ass off in front of a CRT screen... Your statements are SO lame sometimes... No offence bu have you read them to yourself sometimes???


PLZZZ Do me a HUGE favour... Read Shade00's sig 2-3 times and tell me what you think of it...

OT: Shade00: Can i borrow this part of your sig:

Originally posted by Geforce4Ti4200 at Futuremark
3dmark doesnt push the card half as hard as doom3. Man I am wondering if I should even buy doom3, but then if I dont ill miss out on that and many others based on its engine. I could run it on the cheapest card I can get my hands on, maybe a whole box of geforces at like $8 each and as they die, I replace em

I think its a great quote... God damn it i LMAO!!!

I still dont get how you can miss out its engine because if you buy the next game running doom3 engine then you should be experiencing it right??? Hehe...

But hey doom3 on a GF4MX is just sad...

[r3b0rN]

oh g4 ur crazy! i like you man but your crazy!

[Romaster]

I like him, heh


btw what exactly are "fast-writes" i feel noob for not knowing but it cant hurt to ask, will it affect performance?

[r3b0rN]

from what i've read it gives a small performance increase (5-10%), sometimes at the cost of stability. dont know how it works tho :confused: :p:

[-=TriX=-]

it's a feature of the AGP 2.0 spec that allows the CPU to bypass system RAM and write info directly to the video card. It's been said to offer a slight performance increase at the cost of some stability.

In my experience I have acutally had better performance with it off. I have yet to test it on my current rig though. You can enable/disable it via the BIOS or your graphics properties. I reccomend doing some of your own tests, it's the only way to really find out if it will be beneficial to you.

[Romaster]

you can also enable disable it in your control panel from what i see :rolleyes:


heh i find it funny how gf4 thinks a 9700s can beat a 9800xt... thats just dumb logic, maybe fully overclocked vs stock.. but how fair is that:confused:

[-=TriX=-]

Originally posted by Romaster
you can also enable disable it in your control panel from what i see :rolleyes:

Why the eye rolling? I answered your question, didn't I?

and I already stated you could do it via the display properties:

can enable/disable it via the BIOS or your graphics properties

[Romaster]

u did answer my question, you dont seem to understand the eye roll but w/e i dont feel like explaining

[***Deimos***]

Originally posted by Shade00
Why do you even post? You obviously know more than everyone else here, as you never pay any heed to the advice or criticism that people give.

We told you to stick with the 9800 Pro. We told you that you needed to tweak some more. You insisted that it was the card's fault, though. You said the same thing about your 8500 (which you still have tried again in your new setup - why not?), and now you're saying it about this wonder 9500np.

If you would simply stop buying crap, you might be satisfied for once.

You persist in comparing stock clocks to other cards overclocked. Sure, a Ti4200 overclocked to the max will beat the pants off a stock 9700. It's a fact. What does that tell you? Nothing. Same thing with the Ti200 vs. the 9500np.



Yes, he is serious. The reason he doesn't do it is because he doesn't actually listen to anything anyone posts. Sure, it's fun to mess around with old cards sometimes, but this is getting out of hand. I would never go back to a 9500np from a 9800 Pro, and I especially would never go back to a Ti4200.

Good Advice (I hope 'he' reads it).

Look Man (GF4Ti4200): I've had virtually every R350/R360 based card except for weirdo Dell TX's and the SE's. I've also had GF4's and R8500's before. My favourite was also the GF4 because back when I got it it was a huge difference over a Radeon 64MB. But, if you care the slightest bit about playing games, you would keep the 9800pro (unless its seriously broken or dead). If your CPU was made in this century, you should get at least about 5k in 3DMark03. After getting my 9700pro I went back to GF4 for Splinter Cell, but all around AA/AF performance is awful. Sure it was 'fine' in 3DMark2001, but any modern game would suffer.

I bet many guys here love ya man, cause when we think we're in deep :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:, your posts put things into perspective. But dude, sometimes you gotta put down the Ganja. You'd be surprised how much image quality that little tweak will give ya.

[***Deimos***]

btw: I got a 9800pro 256MB, the 9500np softmod 9700 had a VolcanoII on it, and has a few fried traces from voltage mod, and the 9100 is humming along @300/300 in my file server.

I have a GF4 that missing an inductor and a MOFSET. I miss nVidia shadow buffer in Spinter Cell. Perhaps you could send me the top left inductor and mofset.. and capacitor since its got a bit of a bulge, so I guess i would have to rip it off and replace it too.
Better still, if you have so many GF4's you could send me your crappiest working one... less soldering, less burn fingers. I could do some Doom3 benchmarks comparing to 9500np, 9700, 9800pro AIW (which I gave to a friend) and the 9800pro 256MB.
Email me, eyy?

Sorry guys, I got no X800/6800.... yet.

[ekOms]

Geforce..

All this benching you are doing with these old cards are getting you no where. You sould either follow the advice given by many (sell all your little cheap cards and buy a nice new gen card).. or quit asking for advice. :rolleyes:

[boshi]

Originally posted by ekOms
Geforce..

All this benching you are doing with these old cards are getting you no where. You sould either follow the advice given by many (sell all your little cheap cards and buy a nice new gen card).. or quit asking for advice. :rolleyes:

ekOm..
All this trolling you are doing in his thread is getting you nowhere. You should either learn to ignore topics you dislike, or quit posting. :rolleyes:

[Geforce4ti4200]

Originally posted by boshi
just to give you an idea of the speed difference:

my 9700np @ 450/309

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7950118

my 9800XT @ 430/410

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8001100

I'm gonna be running the 97np on my A64 system when it arrives next week, so I'll see if I can break 20K, or maybe 23K which is the highest 97np score in the orb.


:rolleyes: your cpu was clocked 100MHz higher for the 9800xt run, nice try. also your nature for the 9700np is too low for 450MHz core! different drivers are the obvious answer. In all, there is a 1.4k difference, but if you used same cpu clocks and same drivers and same IQ settings, the difference would be less than 1k for sure, maybe 500 to 800. also your little 9700 is actually 30MHz faster on the core. Granted it has less ram bandwith but this does not distract from the fact 9700s *can* overclock higher than 9800pro/xt my 9500@9700 was exactly supposed to do this. I recieved an email back from him, he suggested I try 1.7v agp, didnt help. As a last resort I set everything in the bios to failsafe defaults, still stutters much past 300MHz on the core. I have no clue how he got 350+ core, maybe he lives in a really cold climate or his computer is special? Maybe theres the possibility in different computers the overclocks can be different? well I dont have another a64 to test it in so O well! as for that 23k, it may happen if you get your nature up, use the cat 4.9 and set everything to performance. I hit almost 23k dude with my 9800 pro at XT speeds and its 300 marks slower than a real 9800xt! If the a64 you get is any good, you will hit 22k with your eyes closed, I got almost that on my stock 9800 pro which was 3fps behind in nature(my 129 to other's 132), 10fps behind in drag low and a bit behind in every other test. Thanks everyone for helping me as best as you can. I am going to sell this 9500@9700 back to the market but I will give it another try, gonna buy one with NO mods and stock heatsink/fan, basically unaltered and try my luck instead of buying premodded, overclocked cards. I read all of your posts and acknowlege them even if I dont respond to them all directly. As for games, I still need to recieve my dvd rom before I can install farcry so ill find out the next 9500 or 9700 I get my hands on.

[boshi]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
:rolleyes: your cpu was clocked 100MHz higher for the 9800xt run, nice try. also your nature for the 9700np is too low for 450MHz core! different drivers are the obvious answer. In all, there is a 1.4k difference, but if you used same cpu clocks and same drivers and same IQ settings, the difference would be less than 1k for sure, maybe 500 to 800. also your little 9700 is actually 30MHz faster on the core. Granted it has less ram bandwith but this does not distract from the fact 9700s *can* overclock higher than 9800pro/xt my 9500@9700 was exactly supposed to do this. I recieved an email back from him, he suggested I try 1.7v agp, didnt help. As a last resort I set everything in the bios to failsafe defaults, still stutters much past 300MHz on the core. I have no clue how he got 350+ core, maybe he lives in a really cold climate or his computer is special? Maybe theres the possibility in different computers the overclocks can be different? well I dont have another a64 to test it in so O well! as for that 23k, it may happen if you get your nature up, use the cat 4.9 and set everything to performance. I hit almost 23k dude with my 9800 pro at XT speeds and its 300 marks slower than a real 9800xt! If the a64 you get is any good, you will hit 22k with your eyes closed, I got almost that on my stock 9800 pro which was 3fps behind in nature(my 129 to other's 132), 10fps behind in drag low and a bit behind in every other test. Thanks everyone for helping me as best as you can. I am going to sell this 9500@9700 back to the market but I will give it another try, gonna buy one with NO mods and stock heatsink/fan, basically unaltered and try my luck instead of buying premodded, overclocked cards. I read all of your posts and acknowlege them even if I dont respond to them all directly. As for games, I still need to recieve my dvd rom before I can install farcry so ill find out the next 9500 or 9700 I get my hands on.

The 100MHz on the CPU made a negligible difference. I had a 19.9K score with the 98xt at exactly the same CPU speed as the 97tx. The 9800s are also faster per clock than the 9700s.

The scores were with the same drivers and IQ.

I liked the 98xt, but the performance over my modded 9700 didnt seem to warrant having two expensive video cards in stock. :D ( and I needed some ram ).

Also, the 9500pro isnt gonna give you performance like a 9700pro because of the 128-bit memory. If you're going for high scores, try and get a 9700pro with good memory.

[Geforce4ti4200]

you now have 430/330 clocks, this is a higher ram clock than what you benched with before. You should easily get over 140fps in nature with those clocks, I saw someone hit 132 in nature with his 9700 pro at 385/335, this is about stock 9800 pros and exactly the performance of a stock 9800 pro too

[Iridium192_217]

Originally posted by Karnivore
You keep messing with this antique, and that old stuff, and saying it was supposed to do this, might do that... Give all that old junk away, sell it, whatever you can do! Keep your one good 4200 so you can manage the addiction, AND BUY ONE GOOD CARD! You'll be set for another 4 years or 100,000 posts

which ever comes sooner:wierd:

:rotf:

There is never a dull moment with you mr. 4200

[Çhrist0ph]

geforce4ti4200, can I ask you a question?

why don't you go next gen? I'm not saying you should, but I am very curious as to why not. You probably aren't going to anytime soon, and Im sure you have a good reason.

:toast:

[Mini]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
you now have 430/330 clocks, this is a higher ram clock than what you benched with before. You should easily get over 140fps in nature with those clocks, I saw someone hit 132 in nature with his 9700 pro at 385/335, this is about stock 9800 pros and exactly the performance of a stock 9800 pro too

Dude??? That is a freakin low 3dmark01 for a 9800XT... My 9800pro did 21500... And i just found out that after i tried to put that silly ass SLK-900U on it 200 times i sold it to a friend for 200$ and he did 483Mhz core and 384mhz mem...

I got 21500 with 9800pro@430/382...

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Çhrist0ph
geforce4ti4200, can I ask you a question?

why don't you go next gen? I'm not saying you should, but I am very curious as to why not. You probably aren't going to anytime soon, and Im sure you have a good reason.

:toast:

If he bought a next gen card he wouldn't have anything to brag or post about bec he cant keep up with todays overclockers. No one benches ti4200's anymore so he gets the gorly to post 5000 times a week (on 20 different forums)"OMFG i got XXXX in 3dmark"

[***Deimos***]

Neon Genesis Evangelion: good stuff

Misato San in high heels picking up Shinji from school... ahh to be young again.

What.. what.. oh yeah. GF4Ti4200 congratulations. Welcome to the DX9 club. It's difficult to give you advice when you always criticize the response. Perhaps you should be criticizing your own questions? I think it would be best if we all went back to the way it was: playing games, playing games, posting how cool lurker drop is, playing games