19.782 with an unmodded card [Archive]

JCviggen

10-21-2002, 01:17 AM

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4829778

Nothing thÃ:banana:t spectacular I know.... but I think i'm getting pretty near 20K without even soldering on this card or strapping a waterblock to it!

I'll try and find myself a block today.. with a nice pelt ... I could go places with that if this stuff will still like to run 177 3:4 tomorrow ;)

Card was clocked at 403/362, which is pretty nice for a stock card. 19Â°C room temp though, chilly this morning. Mind you I did throw away that stupid shim on the GPU that ATI seem to like so much. Only gave 5 MHz or so though. But with more voltage and a waterblock that shim would really keep me back.
Now if only I could run this card around 500 core ...

Jupiler

10-21-2002, 01:40 AM

Very nice JC.
403 Mhz with the stock cooler is very impressive, with a WB and pelt, who knows how high the card might go.
All you need now is a good cpu ;)

JCviggen

10-21-2002, 01:52 AM

Well with this CPU only at 1.65 Vcore I have a tad left to spare.

But I dont have a wiretrick :( goddamnit
Its so hard to have good contact and now that I have it I dont wanna rip it off again
Think i'm gonna try to solder on the IC chip that regulates the Vcore without taking off the prom ;)

FUGGER

10-21-2002, 04:25 AM

Looks like you are scoring low in nature, you should be around 140FPS

Great job none the less.

10-21-2002, 04:48 AM

JCviggen,

Very nice! I think its time u go pay BJ a visit :)

JCviggen

10-21-2002, 04:49 AM

Well I dont need to match his clocks to beat him, but unless I can go a bit higher on the FSB to 178-179 or so I think i'll come up short. Need to find myself a Wblock for the GPU too first :(

Colin

10-21-2002, 09:26 AM

Nothing thÃ:banana:t spectacular I know.... but I think i'm getting pretty near 20K without even soldering on this card or strapping a waterblock to it! LOL. I'm very impressed. ;)

Chong345

10-21-2002, 09:37 AM

JC, great score. You score higher than me with my modded card etc. I ran my last score (last night), 19,563, at 475/380 and was thinking of switching drivers. Do you think the 61.93's help as opposed to the original that came with the card. Also I still don't have service pack 1 for XP and wasn't sure if I needed it or if it would help at all. Any thoughts? I feel like I should be scoring higher but I'm not.

Good Luck,
Chong

JCviggen

10-21-2002, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Chong345
Do you think the 61.93's help as opposed to the original that came with the card.

oh my lord yes. Get the '93s

And skip on SP1, only makes things slower ;)

Chong345

10-21-2002, 09:43 AM

Thanks for the advice JC. I really wanna break 20k before anything new comes out. I don't know if its possible though. I'm at 3.58GHz still on this CPU with mem at 226 (2-3-6-3). Should I switch bios'? I'm using 8H at the moment on my IT7.

Don't mean to thread crap either but your score with no modded card has sparked my interest and makes me feel like something is wrong.

Chong

JCviggen

10-21-2002, 09:52 AM

Well I've benched at those speeds too sometimes... what are your clocks? on the radeon I mean
I could try reproducing your clocks and see what I get... I have to say my windows is about as bare and tweaked as possible though, could be a few points here and there (?)

Chong345

10-21-2002, 09:55 AM

Radeon is clocked at 475/380. Everything else is in the statement above. Also my windows is fairly tweaked and pretty bare. I'm not sure what else I could strip from it. Only other things I can think of are maybe the drivers and the bios version.

Also do you use PowerStrip to diable the AA/AF? Isn't it already off since 3dmarks doesn't use it at default? Thanks for you help JC. You may just help me break 20K :D.

Chong

Jupiler

10-21-2002, 10:18 AM

Chong :
the 6193 should give you a nice increase, about 200 points, maybe even more.
I see that your memory is running at 226Mhz. Can't you get it higher? Some tests really need the memory speed.
I've posted a modded BT bios for the IT7 in the Intel section. I mailed it to JC today, don't know if he tried it but it works fine for me.

Chong345

10-21-2002, 10:53 AM

That is high as it will go due to the CPU. I have to let my water chill a little longer before I can bench anymore. I might try the new drivers tonight. That still only puts me at 19.8K IF i get a 200 point increase. Maybe I need a different bios and enable the enhanced DRAM.

Chong

JCviggen

10-22-2002, 02:18 AM

Well I slapped on the waterblock today. NO pelts or anything ... just plain water from the tap and a vmod was enough to push the core to about 460 MHz ... for stability I decided to go for 455 in 3Dmark, didnt feel like locking up.

The memory on this card is just awesome, it went at 376 MHz without complaining too much. Stock mem voltage. It did artifact quite heavily here and there but not enough to push the score down so thats ok. 373 went just fine anyway.

I managed to run 3.72 GHz and 236 mem the whole time and it gave me a score of 20.630-ish
I imagine when i'll use 3Â°C water instead of 18C and a 172W pelt at 14V .... I could actually get close to the 21.000 number :)

stay tuned ;)

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4838399

Jupiler

10-22-2002, 03:02 AM

Excellent JC. Looks like your back in business.

JCviggen

10-22-2002, 03:05 AM

55 MHz on the GPU and 10 MHz extra on the mem gave me 800 points :eek:

Obviously it won scale linearly, but if I can add another 50 MHz GPU that could get me 400-500 points which would put me at 21K or slightly more :)
Damn I need me a coldplate :(

ctgilles

10-22-2002, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by JCviggen
Damn I need me a coldplate :(

You rang? :D
Instant coldplate delivery in copper :D You can come 2morrow to 'borrow' it together with the wb and supply you 'borrowed'
And thx for 'borrowing' me that celly :D

:toast: Cheers,

KnightElite

10-22-2002, 04:28 PM

That's sweet. I think you'll most likely be putting DJ back in his place :D. Perhaps even Holicho's score will be defeatable in the near future....? :). Keep up the good work.

sysfailur

10-23-2002, 12:19 AM

So... you thinkin 21k is gonna be feasible? Take off the Prom and pin mod it!! rarr!! :P

JCviggen

10-23-2002, 01:06 AM

surprised myself this morning :D

not quite 21K but keep in mind I am running straight water on the GPU, not a pelt yet! http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4846679

Oh and yes, 384 mem on a radeon is sweet ;) totally unmodded but my room temps are fairly low. With artifacts.

Raptor

10-23-2002, 01:12 AM

what's that Radeon brand JC? That's one excelent mem on that Radeon!

Did you modded it or putted some heatsinks on the mems?

JCviggen

10-23-2002, 01:14 AM

Its a Hercules, comes with some sinks as stock.

Jupiler

10-23-2002, 01:22 AM

Excellent JC, very nice. Maybe 1 day, I should mod my card too and put a WB on it.

JCviggen

10-23-2002, 01:25 AM

hehe :)

I tried to call ya when I made the score but your mobile seems to be switched off or smth ;)

Jupiler

10-23-2002, 01:27 AM

Is witched off and I'm just awake ;)
Is on now :)

SKATAN

10-23-2002, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by JCviggen
Well I slapped on the waterblock today. NO pelts or anything ... just plain water from the tap and a vmod was enough to push the core to about 460 MHz ... for stability I decided to go for 455 in 3Dmark, didnt feel like locking up.

The memory on this card is just awesome, it went at 376 MHz without complaining too much. Stock mem voltage. It did artifact quite heavily here and there but not enough to push the score down so thats ok. 373 went just fine anyway.

I managed to run 3.72 GHz and 236 mem the whole time and it gave me a score of 20.630-ish
I imagine when i'll use 3Â°C water instead of 18C and a 172W pelt at 14V .... I could actually get close to the 21.000 number :)

stay tuned ;)

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4838399

you want to explain to me how does holicho manage 19fps + than you with less Ock on the video ram ?

162.9 fps vs 144 fps (nature)

and 13mhz of GPu doesnt give you 20fps in nature

there is something fishy in that score

JCviggen

10-23-2002, 07:30 AM

he fluked the nature with artifacts. Thats all there is to say about it really. A while ago he had 2 scores posted. One just over 21K and one 21.5K. The low one is the "normal" score .... for his other one he simply got about 23-24 FPS more than he should have gotten ... and which would explain perfectly the 500 point gap between his 2 benches.

Anyway I dont know if you know, but if you ovcerclock the mem on the radeons too far that you get TOO many artifacts, occasionally you can get some crazy framerates... like 180 FPS where it should be 130... etc.
But its hard to do on purpase, I think he just fluked it by accident

you can see the same thing if you look at OPP's low res bench btw. Compare it to DJ's ... 50 FPS gap at lower clocks :eek:

SKATAN

10-23-2002, 11:42 AM

thankz for the info , didnÂ´t know about that ,as I dont have a radeon 9700 pro ;)

so holichoÂ´s real score was beaten By DJ period . and is currently #1 in the Orb

fluke=fake in my book

Raptor

10-23-2002, 11:59 AM

so that was the trick... i should have figured it out!

Creative

10-23-2002, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by JCviggen

Anyway I dont know if you know, but if you ovcerclock the mem on the radeons too far that you get TOO many artifacts, occasionally you can get some crazy framerates... like 180 FPS where it should be 130... etc.
But its hard to do on purpase, I think he just fluked it by accident

you can see the same thing if you look at OPP's low res bench btw. Compare it to DJ's ... 50 FPS gap at lower clocks :eek:

Yep I found that out lastweek when I up the mem about 5-10 more on my card it tears like hell but it still runs and gives me about 160fps for Nature instead of 130.....I dont post this score, I post the one that doesnt tear cos imo, posting the one that tears like Ã¶Ã¶Ã¶Ã¶ and gives you about 20-30 more fps.....now thats cheating imo.....thats going tooo far.....:( My record is 18319, if I posted the score with the mega tearing, Id be up near 18.6K but i dont post it...:)

I dont want to step on anyones shoes, we are all friends here. I just think that posting scores that tear like these higher ones do, your not going to play games with this tearing so why submit scores with this tearing?

Can anyone see my point?

sysfailur

10-23-2002, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Creative
Yep I found that out lastweek when I up the mem about 5-10 more on my card it tears like hell but it still runs and gives me about 160fps for Nature instead of 130.....I dont post this score, I post the one that doesnt tear cos imo, posting the one that tears like Ã¶Ã¶Ã¶Ã¶ and gives you about 20-30 more fps.....now thats cheating imo.....thats going tooo far.....:( My record is 18319, if I posted the score with the mega tearing, Id be up near 18.6K but i dont post it...:)

I dont want to step on anyones shoes, we are all friends here. I just think that posting scores that tear like these higher ones do, your not going to play games with this tearing so why submit scores with this tearing?

Can anyone see my point?

Well my thinking is backwards from yours. If you're a real hardcore freak for 3dmark, you'll do anything necessary to run the bench.. Hell you should see my 4200 @ 327/733... there are artifacts EVERYWHERE on EVERYTHING. Now, yes it's true that I don't run it like that when I game, but then again I don't game w/ no anti-aliasing, and no ansitropic filtering, but I do bench w/ neither of those on.....

3DMarking is a competition... period, not a real world competition. If it was a real world competition then it would be run with all the "pretty" settings enabled. Another thing that I know lots do is change the card's mhz during diff. benches, or change LOD settings for diff. games, me included, and now would you do that in real life? Well of course not, I would want it to look sweet and run stable.. so I usually just clock it back some for regular gaming.

ORBMADNESS

10-23-2002, 08:00 PM

Well Macci and Dj don't believing in posting those score's.
HArdcore is one thing but doing something that renders the screen-scene useless is altering.
That my friend maybe considered cheating in any book:mad:

sysfailur

10-23-2002, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by ORBMADNESS
Well Macci and Dj don't believing in posting those score's.
HArdcore is one thing but doing something that renders the screen-scene useless is altering.
That my friend maybe considered cheating in any book:mad:

Cheating? wtf... if it finishes, and you're not using a speed-up program that alters the program itself, then it's NOT cheating. I don't know where you get off saying that artifacts on the screen is cheating.. that's just silly. It's what happens when you clock your stuff high, deal with it.

And do you know for 100% sure that they don't get artifacts on their screens? I can almost garuntee you that they do.

Creative

10-24-2002, 12:31 AM

Nah Id ont rekon its cheating period......I just think its a question of what you want personally to do. Im not going to respect you any less, Ã¶Ã¶Ã¶Ã¶ now, I was just getting all techy cos if we have to run ALL tests, then why not CLEAR scenes :D
hehehe

Heck, Ive even uploaded one before like that, my last Ti4200 score was all povo tearing so i know what ya means sysfailur...:)

JCviggen

10-24-2002, 05:18 AM

Well the fun's over for me for another while :(

I was on my way (with pelted radeon this time) for a score heading towards 21100-21200 marks when things started to go wrong. Powerstrip started to act up not allowing the mem to even be clocked at 360 without major artifacts. When finally after an hour of fiddling around I solved it (mem running 388! :eek: ) my CPU suddenly wouldnt run 177 FSB anymore. My bench yesterday was at 178 but today 177 was a no-go. Back to 176 then. crashed in the lobby... wtf... temps on the CPU were just fine ... by this time it had little point to continue benching so I just took out the CPU and decided to mount it again. While I was doing this I heard a somewhat disturbing sound. After short investigation I discovered I must have a small crack in my Prometeia's hose and I could hear the refridgerant escaping. Awesome. dead prom++

On top of all that, I dont have any aircoolers around. I am currently running my 2.8 at 2100 MHz and 1.03V with the cooler from my Radeon .... go figure

So sadly i'm going to be out of action again for some time. So short to 21K GOD F*cking damnit :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

10-24-2002, 05:26 AM

Sorry to hear, JC. Good luck with getting your prom fixed.

will_perdikakis

10-24-2002, 09:20 AM

JC you are the first to ever kill a prometeia me thinks.

How did you not notice the smell of propane?

killersushi

10-24-2002, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by JCviggen
Its so hard to have good contact and now that I have it I dont wanna rip it off again

May I ask if you have done any special things to get the good contact? I am currently as far as lapping off a bit off the standoffs, I had no idea is was going to be so hard to get good contact. Load temps of like 10c and more with a 3450 Mhz 2.5 at 1.8V while evap never goes above -26c.

JCviggen

10-24-2002, 02:29 PM

Well I have no problem to get good contact when I use a normal P4 ...... this one has lost its heatspreader which is the main problem.
What you want to do is actually cut off the 4 stands under the plastic plate ... it'll drop everything 2-3 mm. If there are any components under the plate just cut out their shape with a sharp hobby knife or smth and fill the gap with sealstring.

killersushi

10-24-2002, 02:53 PM

Still have the heatspreader on, weird like I said :D

What temps do you get under load?

JCviggen

10-24-2002, 02:57 PM

depends on the mainboard, they all measure differently ;)
I get about -7/-8 under load on this IT7

killersushi

10-24-2002, 03:00 PM

You're too fast :D

Ok thanks, still have a lot of work to do as it seems. Like 15-20c too much. Sure hope I can get it done. I remounted the thing so often I could do it asleep by now.

Creative

10-24-2002, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by JCviggen
Well the fun's over for me for another while :(

So sadly i'm going to be out of action again for some time. :(:(:(:(

I am sorry to hear is JC,....:( I hope that you regroup and come back strong in a few weeks time or something.......21K is calling you my friend and you will soon meet up with her....:banana:

Just play games for now, its a pleasant change I have found :D
hehehe

JCviggen

10-25-2002, 03:29 AM

I guess I would have to pop the waterblock off the radeon to play some games.... got an MX-420 in it now... *shivers*

MX-420 together with a 2.1 GHz 100 FSB DDR P4 .... it doesnt fly I can tell you ;)

killersushi

10-25-2002, 01:13 PM

FYI I have found the cause for my bad contact. I was searching the problem in the fixation, but it was the surface of the evaporator itself. I put thermal grease on it and pressed it against a waterblock and an aluminium plate. This is the result:

http://www.killersushi.ch/temp/prom-bad_contact2.jpg
http://www.killersushi.ch/temp/prom-bad_contact3.jpg

I'll have to lap the evaporator, oh I'm looking so forward to that ;)