Finally passed 14K with Ti4200

[Kato]

Hey guys, finally passed 14K on Ti4200!!!
14353 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4818345) , good for 4th for Ti4200/AXP:beer:

But its gonna hard to get Skatan;)

[SKATAN]

nice score ;)

but you can do better than that :)

with your machine 14.9k~~15k are doable , if:

you are using most agressive ram timings and fast cpu comand decode at 204 fsb , I´m assuming you are , because of corsair 3200 c2 , but you chase high and lobby high indicate normal comand decode :confused:

that albatron seems amazing :eek:

+8mhz of fsb (KX7 is faster than 8k3A) and +30 vram mhz than me so you see , you can beat me with no effort

keep going , you can do it

[Kato]

My stick of 3200 cas 2 can't do 1T command over 200FSB, so only running them at 2-2-2-5-2 2T...and I'm already using fast CPU decode, can't use Ultra for that FSB:mad: And at 1940MHz, I've reached my CPU limit I guess...anything more the system became unstable:(

[X Men SS]

Congrats !

Very nice video card you got there :) ...

[SKATAN]

Originally posted by Kato
My stick of 3200 cas 2 can't do 1T command over 200FSB, so only running them at 2-2-2-5-2 2T...and I'm already using fast CPU decode, can't use Ultra for that FSB:mad: And at 1940MHz, I've reached my CPU limit I guess...anything more the system became unstable:(


try 10x 194 with 1t command

[Kato]

Thanks, I will try that....:toast:

[Henry]

Nice score, keep benching :)

Still waiting my replacement Ti4200 (RMA it), maybee i can get 14.8-14.9K. My XP1600+ can run at 10x202, 1T after i unlock it, with locked XP1600+ @ 10.5x190 i get 14.6K+.

[SKATAN]

at 10x202 you will do 15k for sure :)


im at cpu limit and ram

[Kato]

Haven't had time to setup my OS for the bench, will aim for 15k this week....buy my CPU can't pass 1950, no matter what...I guess thats the limit for aircooling:mad:

[Henry]

Originally posted by SKATAN
at 10x202 you will do 15k for sure :)


im at cpu limit and ram

Hope i can get 15K :)

BTW, congrats for your #1 XP/Ti4200 score SKATAN :toast: :toast: :toast:

[Kato]

Got a question guys, I just can't understand why I got blow away in the chase and lobby scores...you guys are far ahead of me, what gives? Whats the value of the LOD are you guys using?

[SKATAN]

chase and lobby are very dependant on system performance(cpu + bandwidth) and the lod values aren´t important , if you are scoreing low on chase and lobby is because your system is not as fast as it should be



have you tryed 194x10 1T like I said ?


but 204 2/2/5/2 2t should be boasting higher scores (but not much higher)

[Bravo]

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4891801 14,107 :)

Got 14k tonite, the problem with this card is the Memory overclocks bugger all (627mhz being the highest, and only available on lobby :().

[Kato]

Humm....I tried 194x10 with 1T, but scored lower. Something is wrong here, but minus 8FSB on the AGP busspeed hurt a little too i guess...I have a stick of 256mb 3200c2 coming my way, and that should do 204 2-2-2-5-2 1T fine. And I still have to update sp2 to my OS, and add in some tweaks in the OS too...so should be in the 14.8k range, since my cpu is limiting me bigtime...

Originally posted by SKATAN
chase and lobby are very dependant on system performance(cpu + bandwidth) and the lod values aren´t important , if you are scoreing low on chase and lobby is because your system is not as fast as it should be



have you tryed 194x10 1T like I said ?


but 204 2/2/5/2 2t should be boasting higher scores (but not much higher)

[Kato]

Newest socre, 2nd place now...14804 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4915846) , but how come ORB can't detect my FSB and mobo model?:confused:

[N8]

Congrats Kato!

Not sure why its not detecting that stuff....weird indeed :)

[Kato]

Yeah...can it be because I turned off some of the background services?

[Bravo]

Kato, i hate you :(

The albatron sells in Aus only 40 USD cheaper then a real Abit Ti4600 :(

[SKATAN]

nice score


I wish my corsair and ti4200 could go as high as yours as they where "cheap stuff" I wont complain ,,, much


Epox still on top :flame:

and I dont see a abit beating it with same fsb and cpu :D

stay tunned for [n8]´s score

15k for sure

after he passes 15k I dont know if ill try to pass with my current setup , we will see :)

[Kato]

15K....my 1600 can't do much than it is now, not with air cooling:mad:
I tried for 1970MHz last night, It booted into window, but wasn't stable enough to bench...My H2O rig will be finished in a month or so, then I will break 15K...But I'm sure your guys will beat me to it first;)

[N8]

ur both 2 close to stop now. go go go :)

[X Men SS]

I hate my VC :(

I have two choices ;) :

Buy Asus V8420 Deluxe or wait for V8420S (both have 8-layer board/3.3ns) ...

[morphling1]

Fellas , yesterday I finished my GF4 water cooling project made voltmods on my Leadtek 4200 64mb (check liquid cooling), and today I started benching. Default max overclock with this card was 320/615 , today I'm benching at 350/685 still have a little room for voltage rising .
This is my current high 14192 points (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4927668) also little room for improvement when I ghost to w2k, but I desperatly need kt333 board , this mobo hits wall at that fsb which as most agressive timing no matter what I do with them can't get past 190 stable, and btw the problem is only in mobo because I could make tests at 210 fsb with memory at 160, yep thats 52MHz for pci and 104 for agp which I had to lower to 2x .
Fear me if I decide to go and get KX7 :D

[Kato]

Nice Vmodd gain...wish I have the guts to do it, lol
I will try to bench again today, with higher FSB, since I hit a wall with my CPU....so only way to gain pts is hoping what the extra bandwidth can provide.

[morphling1]

Improvement http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4928699

This time 350/700 on 4200 and 2020 on my cpu, but my fsb is still only 184Mhz , in two days I'll tested with my clean installed w2k should get met quite some bonus points.

[N8]

morphling1,

Your rig is very similar to mine clocks-wise :)

Great score you have there...I think you'll find that Win2k will give you a couple hundred extra points :D

[morphling1]

Indeed we have very similar system,it's just that I tried everything to match Skatan 8k3a score in 29.. drivers and now I see you got that board too, and I don't think I can, my mobo just can't do it, I use pretty much all the wpcredit tweaks for bandwith and bios 2205 which should be the best. My memory score in Sandra is btw. 2790/2645 mb/s at 183.75*11 what is yours?

I'll try w2k tomorrow, to see if I can get near your score, oh yes I almost forgot my bench was made in one run with lod4 ,so I think I can get better with composite tests. But here is a problem in riva tuner. overclocking my gpu above 350 gives me problem I can't fine tune, just one big jump to 364 which is a bit too much, it works but the test stops & go so the results is bad , you ever notice that ?
If you have any other tip to improve my score please share
;)

[N8]

That bench you see on the orb was done @ 11x184, LOD 3.6 straight thru, much like urs. No tweaks to wpcredit as I don't even have it installed on that OS yet, lol. Kinda makes me sick as I had my my OS tweaked very well for my 29.17 run back in the day, but that OS is long gone and I've been too busy playin around w/ different OC's and whatnot to even get it set up right yet. I'll check my Sandra @ 184 for ya when I get some time to play with my rig again....ain't had much time to do anything this week with it other than verify that my new memory could out-perform my sammy.

Makes me laugh kinda when you say about not being able to match 8K3A scores w/ ur 8KHA. Only because when this board first came out all the former 8KHA owners were complaining about it being slower than their 8KHA's. I love this board, even with the BIOS problems it had in the past. It has truely matured thru simple BIOS updates and has become a very competative KT333 motherboard.

[morphling1]

Yes, that's exactly right, that mobo realy mature with later bios releases. Now it's second only to great KX7 in benchmarks, but also has some candy's that KX will never have. Overall it is probably the best 333 board.
What about my gpu overclocking problem have you ever had those (too big steps in clocks)

[N8]

Yep, that is my only issue w/ RivaTuner actually. Sometimes the "actual" MHz it OC's to...the steps are too big and makes me think I'm not getting the true max OC of my card. The freeze and release deal def. kills ur score bigtime...I've had it happen once so far when I tried to clock the core over 357.

[morphling1]

I'll try powerstrip to see, if I can get a little more 357 would actualy be perfect for me :d
Thanks for help

Edit: powerstrip doesn't work with riva tuner instalelled, but I found setting in low level system tweaks where you can select how accurate the overclocking is.
It's all good now :)

[N8]

Yea I thought about tryin the low-level as well. I may play w/ that some then to try to get higher clocks :)

Good luck!

[SKATAN]

just three things

1 --> 8kha+ is faster than 8k3a

did you enable 1t time command with wpcredit with bios 2205??

2-->if I did a bench with 29.** right now it would be around 13.8~13.9 3dmarks :)

3 --> rivatuner->low level overclocking-->more--> clock frequency generator acuracy-->maximum


problem solved

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one weird thing about 29.** is that they kick 40** ass in chase high and lobby high , which are the most cpu+ fsb dependent benchs

and to me 29.** work better on ut2k3 the minimum FPs are higher that with 40.**

to me 40.** are only good for 3dmark :|

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I´m waiting for a 15k score :) and you guys got what it takes high vid and cpu+fsb OCK :)

[morphling1]

Ok, Skatan I always thought that 8kha+ was better but with new bios updates for 8k3a I'm not so sure anymore.

Yes I enable 1t in wpcredit but I can only enable it for the bank I'm using, if I enable for other banks my computer hard locks.
But I only get 15-20 mb/s better bandwith with Sandra and it's still saying I'm using 2t. Because if that's my problem of lower score, I'm going to try some other bioses. Which one you think is the second best but with 1t enabled by def.?

[morphling1]

Btw. Skatan the proof that 8k3a is superior to 8kha+ is N8 score, his system is very similar to my, but his score is still 400 points better some of the definetly come from w2k , but he said that he doesn't have any wpcredit tweaks, so this is another few points where he will gain.
He would definetly pass 15k with wp tweaks and higher fsb, and I also think that if I would be close to 200 fsb (which my memory is capable of) I would improve further.
But I won't say any more until I test in w2k , who know maybe I'll magicaly hit 15k :D :D :toast:

[SKATAN]

dont compare oranges with apples
you are comparing a score done by another person , it would only be valid if done by the same person or with the exact same settings and conditions

your aren´t even using the same O.S. nor the same drivers .... (at least 400~500 mrks less )

I still think 8kha+ at same fsb is faster than 8k3a even with latest bios

the problems with 8kha+ is the hiccup limit and it´s hard to achieve high fsb with it

about [n8]´s score , well I sure wish I knew how the hell he manages to go 180+ without having the know slowdown on 8k3a (which is caused by offset 6B bit 6) and without using wpcredit


oh and a straight thru bench is allways the best I dont do it because I couldn´t bench at 330/692 like that

[Dissolved]

i just ordered my ti4200 turbo as well. i hope to get 14.5k :)
i might be getting a 2400+ in 1-2weeks tho ;)

[morphling1]

I know about the differences, but when I'll install w2k our difference will bi mainly in mobo, same fsb very close oc. on graphic, I'll just use few wpcredit tweaks, btw what is the current best 4in1 driver for w2k , still 4.37?

Dissolved you mean Albatron 4200, :d that's one sweet card how much $$

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by morphling1
I know about the differences, but when I'll install w2k our difference will bi mainly in mobo, same fsb very close oc. on graphic, I'll just use few wpcredit tweaks, btw what is the current best 4in1 driver for w2k , still 4.37?

Dissolved you mean Albatron 4200, :d that's one sweet card how much $$

i just gave up 199.34shipped from newegg :-/
alot, but if it does 300/650 ill br happy enough..

[morphling1]

Cool, you probably won't have any problems hitting much higher :D

[Kato]

Dissolved is another top scorer in the making from OC3D:toast:

I'm gonna bench soon today, aiming for 15k:slobber:
will keep you guys updated.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Kato
Dissolved is another top scorer in the making from OC3D:toast:

I'm gonna bench soon today, aiming for 15k:slobber:
will keep you guys updated.

yea, i have the ever so "Cheated" 11k score.
it might be a bug, but i kept it for fun :)

edit: well the offical score i got was 10.8k, and i tryed again and got 11k. like a 1k gain, after that i tryed again and i couldnt score above 8k. i think i messed something up. but anyways its still funny :)

[Kato]

Nah, me and the other mods know you didn't cheat, its just a bug:)

Originally posted by Dissolved
yea, i have the ever so "Cheated" 11k score.
it might be a bug, but i kept it for fun :)

edit: well the offical score i got was 10.8k, and i tryed again and got 11k. like a 1k gain, after that i tryed again and i couldnt score above 8k. i think i messed something up. but anyways its still funny :)

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Kato
Nah, me and the other mods know you didn't cheat, its just a bug:)

Well i was just lucky i guess :)

[boredom]

Ha dissolved doesn't it suck living in CA? I do too and all of neweggs great prices are nullified by the damn tax :/ If it wasn't so nice here i would be forced to move.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by boredom
Ha dissolved doesn't it suck living in CA? I do too and all of neweggs great prices are nullified by the damn tax :/ If it wasn't so nice here i would be forced to move.

yea, but there fast service and great support make the differ :toast:

[N8]

Having no time to bench sux :)

I know I would have broken 15k by now if I had some time to bench ;)

morphling1,
Install Win2k w/ SP2, 4in1 4.37's, DX 8.1, 40.52's & you'll have yourself a very nice score man. You also have to take into consideration that I had 7MHz more on GPU, & 15MHz more on video memory...But I think 15k is very attainable w/ ur rig. Good luck :D

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by [N8]
Having no time to bench sux :)

I know I would have broken 15k by now if I had some time to bench ;)

morphling1,
Install Win2k w/ SP2, 4in1 4.37's, DX 8.1, 40.52's & you'll have yourself a very nice score man. You also have to take into consideration that I had 7MHz more on GPU, & 15MHz more on video memory...But I think 15k is very attainable w/ ur rig. Good luck :D

Must bench now damnest you! heh, come one. i dont wanna have to pull a 15k and make you feel sad do i? :P

Come on. i wanna see! you can :smileysex later :)

[N8]

And SKATAN...I used a software FSB OC'r on that run...I booted @ 179.....Now mebbe u see another reason I couldn't run 3DMark @ 195 w/ the Sammy...cuz back in the day I simply booted @ 195...which was more relaxed timings that the 8K3A "automatically" applies.

[Kato]

Damn...no luck of breaking 15k, I finally can run benchies at 199x10, but the score are similiar to my 204FSB, guess the decreased bandwidth and increased CPU clock speed balanced each other:( And I think I've reached the limit of my card, can run at 335/725, anything more than that and I get paused frame during tests. If I can go a little higher at GPU then may be 15k is reachable, but not now...

There got to be something I missed/messed up in my setup.

[SKATAN]

[n8]

now that makes sense :) (fsb thing)

come one guys you can do IT

im just not keen on vmodding again as I dont have the pacience to be waiting for a potencial RMA (like it happened to so many ,and cry after spilled milk when they knew the were risking it by vmodding) and have to play ut2k3 on a riva TNT1 (which by the way is the fastest TNT1 on the planet on the ORB :D )

Im liking ut2k3 too much on my msi ti4200 :D

Ill bench again when I have a Tbred B at 2.4~2.5ghz or new drivers come out that give +100 points :D

untill then have fun topping me out (should be easy with your ti4200 higher Ocs) and breaking 15k

I like 3dmark , and doing the best score with the hardware I own , but I don´t buy hardware to run 3dmark ;)

[N8]

Close, but no cigar...and outta play time for tonight. Oh well, it didn't come that difficult...I think I want to play w/ the 29XX BIOS now...see if I can run some crazy FSB.

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4943001

Edit: Nice lobby scores, SKATAN...not sure why mine suck.

[X Men SS]

Edit: Nice lobby scores, SKATAN...not sure why mine suck.

Maybe because they were first in the bench run, I guess :) ...

Here ( I beat you lobby high with lower CPU[1956MHz]/FSB[186MHz] ) :

[Dissolved]

well my ti4200 tubro is on its way :)

[mascot]

Question about Epox 8k3a bios..Is 2815 bios better in 3DMark than 2812?

[N8]

mascot,

Welcome to Xtreme :)

I don't think there is much of a difference between the 2...but I'm not positive...I do know that 2812 was a beta while 2815 is official.

[morphling1]

I tested today on clean installed w2k, everything was overclocked to the limit (ok maybe a little room left), but stable enough so I made complete benchmark in one run.
so 11*183 most agressive timing wp credit tweaks, 4200 at 355/700 , this is the last bench for me on this mobo.
14639 points (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4953217)

It's gotta be the FSB that holds me back now that N8 said that he benched at 195, but still good to be No.4 and the only one by mile with complete bench and kt266 mobo :D:toast:

[N8]

Very nice score, morphling1 :)

I wouldn't mind trying a KT400 board while waiting on these NF2's myself...seems as tho some are having great success hitting some pretty crazy FSB's w/o tearing ;)

[morphling1]

Thank, congrats to your No.1 score :toast:

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Kx7 or Kd7 mobo and if I can get it cheap here I'll pick one up very soon.
As for tearing I'm realy not too worried (watercooled NB), I tested my card at 210fsb with agp2x (that's with pci divider 4) with no problem, of course memory was working at 160 at the time otherwise I would be No.1 :D

[mascot]

I have 2812 and Wpcredit tweaks doesn´t work with it so I benched this (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4852459) without any tweaks. Mayby I should try that 2815..

[N8]

Looking good, mascot! I'd guess if you tried Win2k w/ 4.37 4in1's and 40.52 dets you'd be right up there with us :D

[SKATAN]

great score [n8]

congrats

next try you will go 15k :)

[N8]

Thx SKATAN.

Early this week lookin busy...perhaps later in the week I will try...prolly after playin around w/ the tbred tho that should be here tomorrow :)

[morphling1]

Ehh t-bred, that's just too simple :D

[SKATAN]

Originally posted by X Men SS
Maybe because they were first in the bench run, I guess :) ...

Here ( I beat you lobby high with lower CPU[1956MHz]/FSB[186MHz] ) :


Chase is more fond of CPu and Lobby is more fond of bandwidth

I mean both benchs are a balance of cpu+bandwidth but

being chase around 55%cpu + 45% bandwith

and lobby the other way around


of course the first bench always gives more points :) so you do the rocket cientist math :)

were always learning arent we :)

just a pointer doing the bench like [n8] did (all benchs in a row) gives more points than one at a time (but not much)

but of course some of you already know that

I cant do it if I want to bench at 1968mhz 330/692 :(

[X Men SS]

Thanks for the info, SKATAN :)
:toast:

[morphling1]

N8,Skatan or anyone else , I just realized that I had installed vers. 4.43 of 4in1 drivers and not 4.37 , could you tell me if I can realisticly expect better score with 4.37 or will the difference be minimal (less than 50 points)

[N8]

morphling1,
I'm not sure that it will be a huge difference...but it will make a diff!

SKATAN,
The difference between running the tests all in one shot & seperately boggles my mind. W/ my old AROIA air-cooled setup I would get 300 points or so more by running them seperately. Now I lose about 100 by runnin em seperately. Weird stuff :)

[SKATAN]

morph

the diference is close to zero :)


N8
now you are doing them right and you weren´t before :)

I need them hundred pointers :) better yet I need watercooling :)

[morphling1]

:) good to know, no I just need to find some cheap Abit Kx7 and try to reach 200fsb on my ddr

[Hognert]

Did a little 3d yesterday with my good old 1600+ :). Now Im waiting for you guys to join me at 15k+ :).
This system got more points in it.. Just a first test kinda.. Will do a better (and complete) one soon.. perhaps even tonight ;).

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4970235

[morphling1]

:toast:
This is what I'm been waiting to someone post a score on Abit KX7 with high fsb and high oc, GF4. Incredible speed from Abit here.
Also that memory oc. on GF4 doesn't look to shaby, what kind of ddr do you have there, is that like 8 layer pcb 4200 (like 4600) ?
Again well done :D
I myself will try tonight the brute force of overclocking to try and reach that 15k it pretty chilly this days :D

[N8]

Well done, Hognert!

I also was waiting on one of these KX7's to come play w/ the 8K3A's ;)

Nice rig you have there...I'll try to come up and play soon as I get some time to bench...good to see Xtreme still on top :D

[SKATAN]

those 770 on the ram are just plain killers :)

seems more like a ti4600 :)

and 202 are nice too :)

[[XC]thewildblue]

Hi Guys just got myself an Albatron turbo to replace my fauly gainward.
I had heard great things about these cards, but it doesnt seem to do more than 650 on the mem , now I know this isnt that bad ( the gainward did 610) but ppl seem to be getting over 700 stock out of these babys....any recommendations ? I have tried running two 80mm deltas over the card which allowed me 660 but I still cant get no more ! Admittedly I have only had the card for about 3 hours.

I cant seem to break 13,400 which is what I got with the gainward. I am running XP at the moment which I know loses me points but I did expect more. I am using 4.43 and dets 40.52.

I am running the EPOX 8k3a+ 2815 bios, turbo 1t 185x10. Any tips/advice on what bios to run and any wpset tweaks I can do.

Thanks guys, hopefully soon I will be able to provide some healthy competition !

[morphling1]

Ohhhhh yesss, check this out as promised some hard overclocking with cold water (no pelts), my 1600+ was at 2090Mhz and 4200 at 370/710 thanks to my great new waterblock :D But still I'm only at 182 fsb because going at 11mp would only get me to 185 which is max fsb I can get with this mobo and the lower cpu clock at that setting doesn't help the score.
14962 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4977838)
Go,go,go Xtreme 3d Team, we got top three places :D Until Skatan gets mad again and mess everything :D

N8 I tryed just about everything to reach your score but no go my card was working at 375 (oc. limit in riva tuner) and 720 (artifacting) but in Dragothic the bench started stop&go so I aborted. Damn so close I can taste it, hmm could the 4.37 got me those few point :D

Neeeeeed Kx7

[Hognert]

Originally posted by morphling1
Ohhhhh yesss, check this out as promised some hard overclocking with cold water (no pelts), my 1600+ was at 2090Mhz and 4200 at 370/710 thanks to my great new waterblock :D But still I'm only at 182 fsb because going at 11mp would only get me to 185 which is max fsb I can get with this mobo and the lower cpu clock at that setting doesn't help the score.
14962 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4977838)
Go,go,go Xtreme 3d Team, we got top three places :D Until Skatan gets mad again and mess everything :D

N8 I tryed just about everything to reach your score but no go my card was working at 375 (oc. limit in riva tuner) and 720 (artifacting) but in Dragothic the bench started stop&go so I aborted. Damn so close I can taste it, hmm could the 4.37 got me those few point :D

Neeeeeed Kx7

Wow! Very impressive numbers you got there :D. Congrats on a nice score!
That 1600+ at 2090 without any to extreme methods is awesome :). And 370MHz core.. omg.. I could use some of that ;).

[boredom]

Morphling please mass produce those blocks and send them to danny ASAP, thanks ;)

[SKATAN]

morphling send me a shot of your wpcredit with no tweaks and another with the tweaks you use on the bench

o and use bios 2205

I might be able to help you


nice OC on that Gpu that would give me at least 400~500mrks
370 ouch

[Kato]

Damn...I'm falling behind fast:(
Need to Vmod my card fast...I know it has the same PCB as the reference Ti4600, and know which pin to mod...but dunno how to monitor the voltage!!! I have a multimeter, but dunno how to use it, stupid me. And which Capacitor to check? And should I check it while its running or away from the mobo?

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Kato
Damn...I'm falling behind fast:(
Need to Vmod my card fast...I know it has the same PCB as the reference Ti4600, and know which pin to mod...but dunno how to monitor the voltage!!! I have a multimeter, but dunno how to use it, stupid me. And which Capacitor to check? And should I check it while its running or away from the mobo?


has to be running.

[morphling1]

Originally posted by SKATAN
morphling send me a shot of your wpcredit with no tweaks and another with the tweaks you use on the bench

o and use bios 2205

I might be able to help you


nice OC on that Gpu that would give me at least 400~500mrks
370 ouch

Thanks, I'll do that tonight, maybe you can spot something I missed.

[N8]

That is some awesome clocks, morphling1!

That really sux that u didn't hit 15k...but I think U will soon :)

I'm still trying decide between this 1700+ Tbred & my 1600+ AGOIA for benching...20MHz difference in OC, but the tbred runs alot hotter, lol.

[morphling1]

You got t-bred 1700+? So how is ti 20Mhz better, that's around 2050 then right. Can you run them with lower voltage or you need the same as for palomino ? Btw you have any pic. of your water cool setup I'd like to see please ;)

[N8]

I accidentally attached another pic and then realized I had my water setup in the watercooling forum already :)

Yes, a 1700+ Tbred...runs bout 20MHz higher than the 1600+ Palomino....but runs about 10c hotter ;)

Here's my water setup thread....I'm gonna add a couple pics that show some of the vmod now:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4070

[Dissolved]

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4982179
well theres 12k. so ill mess with it more tomorrow night.
275/575 on the Albatron.

i got 2k+ to go, so i hope i can great 14k like you guys :) (14 is my lucky number) but i wouldnt mind 15k ;).

[[XC]thewildblue]

Originally posted by Dissolved
http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4982179
well theres 12k. so ill mess with it more tomorrow night.
275/575 on the Albatron.

i got 2k+ to go, so i hope i can great 14k like you guys :) (14 is my lucky number) but i wouldnt mind 15k ;).

Is that the turbo card or standard ?
Well done on cracking 12k, give that system some welly !!!:toast:

[Dissolved]

Thanks guys. a lil oc on the vid and cpu, and i gained almost 2k. this is an amazeing card. i had to oc the hell outta my gf3 and i got a 9xx gain. so, this will be fun.
i dont have any $ left. im actually 100.09 in debut to my mother (i thought id only be down like 40, but i over spent!

Edit: Also, liek said, rasieing the timings on the memory Really killed me! i oc'd the cpu/vid card more (175fsb, 300/600 and i got 11,511 :|) So im gonna see if i can sell this memory. i just put 12 dollar copper spreaders on it, so maybe i can get like 100 if im lucky :-/

but i want a stick of that geil pc3500 512mb, and id like to vmod the card, and add a u1 hsf. i could Water-cool it, but i dont wanna do anything to kill the warrinty, as this card needs to last its full 3year warrenty, and needs to be rma'able.

So i have alot of thoughts in mind, just not sure yet :)

[Dissolved]

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=4984502
i got alot of artifacts and stuff @ 315/635 :(

[morphling1]

Try w2k and det40.52 or in xp 40.41 those are only good for 3dmark , but for games they are bad flashing picture, 40.72 works a lot better in games.

Here it is Skatan firs original wpcreedit shoot no tweaks:
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/wpcredit%20orig.GIF

And this is my tweaked version.
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/wpcredit.GIF

[Dissolved]

ill have to try the 40.41's and those tweaks you shows us.
if they gain me some points, ill have to pop in my gf3 be4 it goes on to its new home ;)

[SKATAN]

it doens´t seem to be wrong too me



59-71
58-11
6b-d0 (dont change)
55-04
95-0c (this is more of a test to see if it improves the score)
another test 6c-FF and 6d-FF

then apply all your other tweaks in dif. offsets
all your other tweaks seem fine

these may or may not improve , but worth a shot

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by SKATAN
it doens´t seem to be wrong too me



59-71
58-11
6b-d0 (dont change)
55-04
95-0c (this is more of a test to see if it improves the score)
another test 6c-FF and 6d-FF

then apply all your other tweaks in dif. offsets
all your other tweaks seem fine

these may or may not improve , but worth a shot

can you say that again in english? im a lil new with this types of tweaks.
Thanks

[N8]

Dissolved,

Those are wpcredit tweaks and I doubt most if any apply to ur KX7 ;)

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by [N8]
Dissolved,

Those are wpcredit tweaks and I doubt most if any apply to ur KX7 ;)

Well can u have someone help me out? everyone seems to be to busy and answer all my questions..

i need to know.. i sit here everyday, and this is all i do. So if i get a q in my mind i cant do much of anything till i get it answered. its like a disease or something.

[Kato]

Dissolved, for the KX7 I'm using the following for memory bandwidth:

6A=FF
93=FF

Thats the only 2 I'm using, but I'm sure there are more for our KX7.

You can use Wpcrset too, I found it easiler.

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Kato
Dissolved, for the KX7 I'm using the following for memory bandwidth:

6A=FF
93=FF

Thats the only 2 I'm using, but I'm sure there are more for our KX7.

You can use Wpcrset too, I found it easiler.

Where can i get this program? the site seemed to stop suporting it

[SKATAN]

the tweaks are only good for morphling

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by SKATAN
the tweaks are only good for morphling

Whats thats? lol

[Hognert]

Originally posted by Dissolved
Where can i get this program? the site seemed to stop suporting it

ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcre12a.exe

[Dissolved]

Originally posted by Hognert
ftp://ftp.vector.co.jp/pack/win95/hardware/other/wpcre12a.exe

Thanks!

[Kato]

Skatan meant those tweaks are only for 8K3A, but not for our KX7.
Every mobo's BIOS is different, and that set of tweaks are only good for 8K3A's registry only.

I forgot which site still have the program for download, try to do a search on Yahoo. If you couldn't find it, I will send you a copy tonite.

edit: you got the file I guess;)

[N8]

They're for the 8KHA+ actually...not the 8K3A :D

[Dissolved]

How do you guys learn these tweaks? im really trying to get into this stuff, but i dunno how to start. i dont like being a regular, so im trying to stand out, and to stand out i need to learn more :)

[N8]

I read the forums....and owning an EPoX makes either a software OC'r or wpcredit tweaks nearly essential. What I do is boot up at different FSB's and see what registers change....and then I try to change them back to the initial value at the higher-selected FSB. If it works, it often equates to a gain in performance. EPoX is known for automatically relaxing memory timings @ highers FSB's to improve overclocking stability. It has its good and bad points. :)

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by Dissolved
How do you guys learn these tweaks? im really trying to get into this stuff, but i dunno how to start. i dont like being a regular, so im trying to stand out, and to stand out i need to learn more :)

*points to these forums* Other forums, the intarnet. The info is out there... just gotta find it! :)

[Kato]

AMDMB (WWW.AMDMB.COM) 's forum is a great place to dig up Wpcredit tweaks;)

[morphling1]

Hey thanks Skatan, I'll try those: 95-0c, 6c-FF and 6d-FF to see if they can improve my score.
I tryed 58,59 registers but setting 11 and 71 just freezes my computer, only thing that work so ff, it has something to do with in which dimm slot I have the memory, if I set only the populated to 1t it works, that was my first tweak on register 59 where I used f0, then I used ff and that also works , it got me little boost in Sandra memory bench. But is it possible judging from ~20mb/s boost that 1t isn't working like it should, or is that aprox. the right value ?
Maybe I should try the latest beta bios to see if there is any differnce and if 1t is enabled

[SKATAN]

set the ram in slot 3 and use the order I SAID in the post

first 59 then 58

if you use bios 2314 1t is enabled at any fsb but bios 2205 was the fastest when you enabled 1t with wpcredit

[morphling1]

This is exactly what I did, I just wrote in general.
The default value of register 59 is e0, and so and the lines 7,6,5 are blue indicating that this is the dimm slot in use, I can enable line 4 which is bank 5/4 command rate, so I set to 1t. That mean tha value is f0 and that works. But if I do your value so 71 it just freezes and I try and lower the fsb to 133 but it's the same

[morphling1]

Ok now I know that my tweak does enable 1t, with 2205 default I get 10178, 1t enabled 10343 , 2314 10338 , and latest beta 2903 10264.
Don't mind the low scores this is win xp 29.42 default speed on 4200 1930Mhz cpu my silent mode :D
So 2205 is the best and 1t does work which means this mobo is slower then Kx7 and 8k3a.

[SKATAN]

im sorry it didn´t work for you :( but these things need testing and with diferent ram requires diferent register settings

it worked with my crucial and it´s been a while since I had my 8kha+

each system requires individual tweaks on top of the known ones that work for everyone

but I still think in my hands 8kha+ is as fast as 8k3a

[morphling1]

No problem, thanks for your help, and congrats on braking 15k :toast:
Yesterday I got some 512mb winbond bh6 module and from intitial testing I can get few MHz more out of my fsb, maybe I can squeeze past 15k today :D

[SKATAN]

thankz

15k mission acomplished (and still with the same hardware) :D

ohh and 17k all res too

Im quite amazed with pulling 15k with a cheap POS msi REAL 64meg ti4200 that tops out at 297/618 (without mods)

I :slobber: when I look at them ti4200 with GPu between 350~370 and Vmem between 710/770 (and some must be credited on their Cooling and overclocking solutionsfor going that high)

I changed my strategy in the bench so I guess it kinda worked :D and a tiny bit higher Oc helped too


Now time for some rest until I get a tbred B , which may take quite a while (thinking of waiting for a 2000+ tbred B)

I waiting for you guys on the other side of the river :)

[N8]

Hehe......congrats to ya SKATAN...quite an accomplishment :)

I've got my rig torn down right now movin the water into the case & tidying up some, so it prolly wont be till next week or so till I'm benchin again :D

[Kato]

Originally posted by SKATAN


Im quite amazed with pulling 15k with a cheap POS msi REAL 64meg ti4200 that tops out at 297/618 (without mods)



I know I know....I suck:( :D

[SKATAN]

Originally posted by Kato
I know I know....I suck:( :D


no you don´t , you have a great score near 15k, how many guys have scores below 12~13k

you know what your doing and you dont suck :D


i just said that because im really amazed with my score with my plain POS on Oc ti4200 , and to enfasize that comparing a regular ti4200 to those 8 layer super ti4200 isn´t fair , but it´s life :(

[Kato]

Haha, kidding my friend:D
The weather here is so warmer in the last couple of days, and my room is just too hot to bench...but I've Vmodded my card already, so 15k shouldn't be any problem:toast:

May be you guys should open a new thread called "Finally passed 15k, now to 16k":D

Originally posted by SKATAN
no you don´t , you have a great score near 15k, how many guys have scores below 12~13k

you know what your doing and you dont suck :D


i just said that because im really amazed with my score with my plain POS on Oc ti4200 , and to enfasize that comparing a regular ti4200 to those 8 layer isn´t fair , but it´s life :(

[Jeff]

Originally posted by Kato
The weather here is so warmer in the last couple of days, and my room is just too hot to bench...

Same here. My wife thought I was a bit wacky for complaining about the temperatures being 50-60F. Then when I explained that I already had the machines in the basement set for the cold weather, she really thought I was wacky. ;)

[morphling1]

Skatan, looks like I'll be getting 8k3a soon :)
Right now I'm doing kt400 motherboard review with Kd7, 8k9a, msi Kt4 ultra, DFI AT400 , Gigabyte 7vaxp , and for reference KX7. I must say I'm realy dissapointed in KD7 it just won't work with fact cpu command decode above 166/166fsb, in normal it goes but then it still can't complete winbech99 all tests, maybe I just got bad board, KX7 is very nice I reached 191 at 2,85V with my memory which is a lott better then other Kt400 (around 175) but it is a little slow in specview perf 7.0 (pro open gl programs). So after looking the whole picture and of course your results I decided to go with this board over KX7 because of on-board audio, internal diode reading, and my overall very good record with Epox boards, which I can't realy say for Abit.

[SKATAN]

yes my experience with Epox mobos is also very good , the only "problems" have always been the bios and performance and not one of my previous 4 died on me knock knock knock on wood :D

but with 2815 the engineers really hit the jackpot with 8k3a it made it in my opinion the best kt333 mobo

to be the perfect kt333 it only lacks the option to choose normal/fast/ultra comand decode

but I can live with that , for fast comand decode use bios 2312 or 2815 and for normal decode for very high fsb use one of the latest bios

maybe the KD7 has some issue with the ram you are using :|

[morphling1]

I tried Corsair pc 2700 memory (Samsung) and also my new winbond bh6 module, both running perfectly fine on all boards especialy KX7, at fast command decode,except here on KD7.
And now that I can't seem to finnish winbench99 tests even at default 133/166 by spd timings, I realy think I just got bad mobo.

[N8]

Look fwd to your benches w/ the 8K3A, morphling1 :)

[Kato]

Bought a KD7 yesterday, and my watercooling parts are coming next weds, so next weekend I should be benchmarking with H20:D

For the time being, I will see how far aircooling can do on this mobo/1600. Was going to pick up a 2400, but the stepping is the old one, and the price is kind of expensive.

BTW, I've vmodded my card, increased the Vgpu to 1.8V and also tried at 2.0V, but it didn't increase my OC?:confused: May be its just too hot for the stock HSF to take.:(

[N8]

Good luck w/ the KD7 & watercooling, Kato. I'm not sure why your core won't OC higher now that its vmod'd...but I know mine didn't scale near as well as I thought it would considering it did 335 b4 vmod. Good luck with that as well...perhaps cooling is indeed the problem :)

[Marci]

Yeah, I have the same prob... not enough cooling on the GPU, and more volts just makes it even more difficult to retain current speeds... gotta get it cooler before you go any higher m8....

[X Men SS]

I just bought Asus V8420 128MB Deluxe which does 300/650 stock :) I hope it'll hit 325/690 with WB,ramsinks+cold air ...

[Piotke]

I see mem clocks over 700 with an ti 4200. How ?

I have a ti4200 myself, a leadtek. Max stable is 328/618. This is on air, with the default cooler, modded with a 92 mm fan. It all feels cold so ...

[Kato]

The 700 mem you saw, some of them are Vmodded with very good cooling over the ram...but most of them are the new Ti4200, these comes with at least 3.3ns BGA ram or even faster.
Some of the NV28 based Ti4200 are equiped with 2.8ns memory even, so in a month or so you should see more of these super Ti4200(or should I say mini Ti4600;) ) on the ORB.

[SKATAN]

nice :)


could you do a bench at 2020 10x202 just to compare the dif of 300mhz+ ?


ohh and win2k+ sp2 will give you a boost of 300~400mrks over win98 :)

[SKATAN]

thanks


I think I need me a tbred b despereatly :)

but for me 2.4ghz air is the minimum so ill be patient


eheheh funny thing you are getting about the same performance as me with a bit more Oc :)


chase high and lobby low you match the exact same fps as me with 10x198 on your 10x200 :)



wait a minute 205x9,5 ????

that cant be right , can it ?

[SKATAN]

the awnser is simple ---> less CPU :)

chase is very cpu dependant

[Justintoxicated]

wow im only at 13500 with a gainward GF4 4600 rev2, and a 1600+ agoia 0213-Y @ 1830MHZ on epox 8k3a+ and 512 Megs of corsair PC3200 C2...HOW THE HELL DID YU GET THAT SCORE!
And thats with my video card overclocked to 320/710! and that tt Coppe cooler seemed to help a little...

[morphling1]

Hey MickeyMouse, is that for real about 512mb module, because I just bought 512module which overclock as good as my old 256 but I borrow it to a friend for test, I will eventualy test it myself. Did you test at exactly the same setting and the difference you said is ~500 points, this is realy hard to believe Can someone else comfirm that

Btw I bought it because I saw how much better doom3 runs on 512mb :D

[SKATAN]

3dmark isnt doom3 ;)

[gLaCiuS *]

Is this score about right for my setup - http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5086223

1.9ghz, 200fsb, Ti4400 @ 320/680, 14248 3dmarks

Seems like I should be getting higher looking at your scores

[morphling1]

First try 40.52 drivers.
Is that 200fsb at most agressive timing, because 3dmark just love agressive, even if it lose you some Mhz.
Then I see you got 512 mb :D :D :toast: damn I just hope that realy doesn't mean you lose here.

[gLaCiuS *]

It's at cas 2-2-5-2-2t.. the corsair won't do 1t for some reason
It's not the ram holding my FSB back either.. I get very bad AGP tearing @ > ~203fsb, on a kx7-333r with silver caps too

[morphling1]

At what frequency does your memory do 1t ?
Also did you use any rivatuner tweaks or is that score just driver default bench, that can give you few hundred points more

[gLaCiuS *]

I'm just using the tweaks for rivatuner and win2k from here - http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21678

1t works at 185mhz, not @ 200mhz.. haven't tested in between yet
This is still @ default voltage.. I can get about 50mhz more with a v-mod and maybe squeeze a bit more out of the video card but not much

[N8]

Originally posted by MickeyMouse

and agp tearing In all my experiances are usally voltage "DDR OR VCORE" below 211mhz fsb and for me to run a fsb of 202 at fast decode and max timimngs possible on my kx7-333r it takes from 3.05v-3.24v ddr even tho my ram it that good :).

I'm not understanding ya here. I run my 8K3A @ 2.2vcore & 3.2vmem up to 225FSB w/o tearing...do you mean that you think core/memory voltage determines when tearing sets in? I haven't experienced that myself :)

[morphling1]

Could someone explain this, I just bought 512mb of winbond bh6 .I put it in my good old 8kha+ and I can hit 188 fast cpu cas2 2,5,2, 1t so the most agressive I can, my previous ddr was 256 of Corsair pc2700cas which can hit 185 same settings.
Then yesterday I went to my friend with 8k3a mobo and hi can hit 200 with last bios which has fast decode disabled and the timings were at cas2 2,5,3 1t with 256mb Corsair, then we put in my winbond 512 in he can't hit 185 with same setting. I mean wtf.
What's that mobo issues, bios issues what, I have no clue.
btw his mobo was one of the first ones with 2ch sound but already with 333ce chipset.

[N8]

morphling1,

I'm thinking the issue might be with the 1t command. I know my Corsair(believe its windbond 6ns) doesn't like 1t @ high FSB's...not sure why...under 200FSB or so its fine w/ the 1t...but I know I couldn't get close to 225FSB w/ 1t. :)

[SKATAN]

when are you guys going to pass 15k with AXP ti4200 ??? :stick:


Im waiting :toast:

[SKATAN]

yeah

but you need a palomino so you could apear on the ORB as you select Athlon XP ant GF4 ti4200

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

as you know Tbreds-B are a whole new ball game ;)

[SKATAN]

yeah like that but with a ti4200 ;)

380/795 aircooled ouch (and a very nice 1600+ it is)

lapped GPU ? (it has to be)


just get yourself a ti4200 , and 15k should be easy for your setup (not worth the trouble :D )



eheheh

look at the gains of your ti4600 overclock over my ti4200 clocks


1833 166x11

250/513 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5092927)

+43mhz GPU +103mhz Vram

293/616 (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5092880)

would I get 16.1k with my current setup and your ti4600 (not counting the 64/128mb dif) ? :D

Im thinking the margin would be a bit higher with higher system performance (+CPu & +FSb)

[Kato]

Originally posted by SKATAN
when are you guys going to pass 15k with AXP ti4200 ??? :stick:


Im waiting :toast:

Not me:(
Something wasn't right with my 1600....was benching at 204x9.5 before, but then couldn't get those speed no more...even with 2.2Vcore and load temp of 21C:mad:

I sold my KX7, bought a KD7, and just got a 2400+ today:D
My H20 is coming on weds, so need time to leak test everything...

Then I'm going for the front page for Ti4200:D Lets see what my rig can do with all those Intel around me:D

I know N8 got a tbred already...anyone else?

[gLaCiuS *]

Are you guys all running the tests in the normal order? ANd do you change video card clock speeds between tests?

[Kato]

I do straight run thru the tests, I scores higher this way:D

[gLaCiuS *]

ALso, is there anyway to lessen the AGP tearing?
Like should I replace the stock KX7 nb HSF?

[morphling1]

Originally posted by SKATAN
when are you guys going to pass 15k with AXP ti4200 ??? :stick:


Im waiting :toast:

I'm waiting too..... for my 8k3a :D then it's go time, I'm not stopping till I top the chart :D:toast:

[N8]

Originally posted by SKATAN
when are you guys going to pass 15k with AXP ti4200 ??? :stick:


Im waiting :toast:

I won't be benching with my 1600+ anymore. I'm selling 1 of them and putting the other in my 2nd rig. :)

I won (2) 2200+'s @ the AMD events this year & I'm selling (1) as its a retail package to pay for the 2400+ I just bought from OPP. I'm totally redoing my PC right now in which the GFX will be part of the water loop. So, I'll be benching with the 2400+, sorry to let you down, SKATAN! ;)

Sooooooo...thx for the 2400+, AMD! :D

[SKATAN]

eheheh

congrats on the free cpus :) I hope you get a good one.

Ill wait for 2000+ tbred-B when there out.

[morphling1]

Me too Skatan, I just hope I don't have to grow old waiting for one :D

[wEs]

geez free cpus...maybe one day we'll have these things on portugal!

[Henry]

Testing new Siluro Ti4200 (stock cooling, no mod) :

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5096253

[N8]

Looking good, Henry :)

go go go :D

[Henry]

A little uptade :

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=5111674

Original Siluro Ti4200 4ns (stock cooling, no mod), 15K+ soon :banana: :banana:

[Ahok]

Henry is back! hehehe :banana: :banana: :banana: