wtf is this ram?(not another tell me what my bh5 is)

[Evil_Spork]

i got some 3700 twinmos ram. single sided, tested to run 2-2-2 @ 230mhz. so i got it.

now i have it, the chips physically look like bh5/6, it runs like bh5/6 BUT i cant freaking tell what it is!

is there any differance between bh5 and bh6 physically? or any way i can tell via software?

if you want to hit me on aim @ evilspork3 i can do stuff as you tell me. i really wanna figure out what this is.


edit: i have had them at 250mhz 2-2-2 with 1-31 bios. mobo is limiting me with this bios and all.

[blinky]

its either BH5 or BH6 for sure, 66pins, two big dimples in the middle, a small dimple by pin1, and white dots on the edges

is there any difference between bh5 and bh6 physically?

[[XC]thewildblue]

I thought that twinmoss PC3700 used their own 4.3ns chips. What voltage you pumping into them Evil ?

[saaya]

there are different twinmos 3700 sticks.

bh5 (no heatspreader twinmos renamed w dots ,extremely rare) probably yours spork
mosel vitalic (no heatspreader twinmos TMD chips w/o dots)
supertech(?) or smthn like that (small wlcsp chips under golden heatspreader)
hynix chips (golden heatspreaders)

[Evil_Spork]

it feels like bh5. with 1-31 and its lame hidden timings i can look at 255 2-2-2 with 3.3v. but its mobo holding me back. at 250 i lost usb ect. sooooo, acording to what you guys say it bh5.

i didnt think bh6 was ever put in pc3700.
anyway, this stuff is single sided and very willing to clock high. if only i could get this board to be as willing.. :(

(so far my max was 260. 262 rebooted. no testing just clockgen to see)

[jfr0]

well whatever it is it does 2225 @ 255 :banana:
My guess would be bh-5. :toast:

[Evil_Spork]

no need for a second thread.

what bios on my DFI should i try for this stuff? 1-31 normally just works but sucks hardcore for FSB for me. i heard 6-19 is safe. i want a safe bios... its a huge pain in the butt to swap my bios chip.

[G|-|oST]

try either the 6/19 official or one of the Hellfire's modded ones.

[saaya]

6/19 :up:

[Geforce4ti4200]

dont you have an a64? those do much higher fsb, I can get over 300fsb with mine and my cheapo corsair value pc3200 ram does 250fsb 1:1 fine in my chaintech nf3.

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
dont you have an a64? those do much higher fsb, I can get over 300fsb with mine and my cheapo corsair value pc3200 ram does 250fsb 1:1 fine in my chaintech nf3.
for the love of god no!

im still on AXP. dfi infinity.

i dont trust the modded hacked bios's. in all my experience with them they have liked to kill my bios.

[tictac]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
for the love of god no!

im still on AXP. dfi infinity.

i dont trust the modded hacked bios's. in all my experience with them they have liked to kill my bios.

u can use mijne.. dont worry :lol:

DFI Nforce2 Infinity

Features:
- no unhidden job
- SATA BIOS Version :-

1)Bios Version: 1-31
a) SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-131-5034.zip

2)Bios Version: 1-21
a) SATA 5035
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-121-5035.zip
SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-121-5034.zip

3)Bios Version: 12-31
a) SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-1231-5034.zip

4)Bios Version: 12-18
a) SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-1218-5034.zip

5)Bios Version: 12-10
a) SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-1210-5034.zip

6)Bios Version: 11-27
a) SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-1127-5034.zip


DFI Nforce2 Infinity

Features:
- AGP volt : 1.5v (default)
- Vdimm : 2.6V (default)
- Vdd : 1.6v (default)
- CPU warning
- CPU shutdown : disable (default) 20-125c
- SATA BIOS Version:


1)Bios Version: 2-15
a) SATA 5035
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-215-5035-T.zip
SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-215-5034-T.zip

2)Bios Version: 12-18
a) SATA 5035
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-1218-5035-T.zip
SATA 5034
http://downloads.modlabs.net/bios/DFI-INF-1218-5034-T.zip

[Geforce4ti4200]

I have used tictac's bios in my own nf7-s in attempt to fix the 10x and 10.5x bug, I think it helped a bit, made it more stable but not completely. I did give up on athlon xps period and couldnt be happier with mah a64

[Evil_Spork]

awesome thanks tictac!

ill give some a shot tonight.

[tictac]

no problem ;)

[Pha_Q]

well, how goes the bios?

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by Pha_Q
well, how goes the bios? shutup im lazy.. :( :stick:

i got to talking to my g/f then playing starcraft and it was over. once that started there was no way i could flash my bios and test.:rolleyes:

[SAE]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
shutup im lazy.. :( :stick:

i got to talking to my g/f then playing starcraft and it was over. once that started there was no way i could flash my bios and test.:rolleyes:

LOL

Pal, there are also disadvantages of having a girlfriend ;) :D

Less time to play and tweak :lol:

But my g/f is really nice, she lets me do my things... hehe :thumbsup:

[Evil_Spork]

ill try to do it tonight.

i have this huge urge to play starcraft though haha. ohwell. SC can wait a little.

[Kalway]

Sorry guys, priorities are as follows sex > brew > car > computer

Therefore girlfriend = important :D

[SAE]

Originally posted by Kalway
Sorry guys, priorities are as follows sex > brew > car > computer

Therefore girlfriend = important :D

LOL

Yeah, doing sex is great, but I even sometimes forget that!!!, sitting there and concentrating on my hobby ;) :D

[Evil_Spork]

SAE what is your strange obsession with the move badboys?

today starcraft got me... omg. ok ill go do the bios now!!!!!

oh i also got 2 more khx bh5 sticks. brand new unopened boxes.:rolleyes:

[blinky]

Originally posted by Kalway
Sorry guys, priorities are as follows drugs > sex > brew > car > computer

Therefore girlfriend = important :D fixt for correctness

[Evil_Spork]

LOL

im actually gunna flash my bios now...

i just broke AIM by spamming the link to [url]www.di ckcream.com/goatse[/u rl] about 100k times..... hmm

seriously this banana stuff sucks.

[SAE]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
SAE what is your strange obsession with the move badboys?



:lol:

I luv these two guys... great team ;) And funny as hell.

[Evil_Spork]

ok i put 6-19 in.. its much more stable but i cant get any freaking FSB!!

250fsb explodes really fast, 240 crashes with any load.

also.. someone tell me why when i changed my NF2 drivers my comp hangs on the "windows is shutting down" screen. just before where it would power off.

i have the newest remix drivers in now.. same thing.

should i try a differant bios? this ones fun and all, very stable, but i cant get any good speed. 11x225 is stable.... but i can do that on my 8rda+ easily. what gives.

edit:
saaya will you go ahead and modify the thread title. make it something like "new bh5 fun and testing"

[Geforce4ti4200]

guess your ram cant do 240fsb after all. Mine could only do 220-225 on my nf7 but its happy at 250fsb in my a64 :D

[SAE]

Originally posted by Geforce4ti4200
guess your ram cant do 240fsb after all. Mine could only do 220-225 on my nf7 but its happy at 250fsb in my a64 :D

it's not the ram, it's the board!

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by SAE
it's not the ram, it's the board!
AHHHHHHHHHHHH STOP SAYING THAT!....:mad:



i like the red color!:(


guess ill have to try a lanparty. all my INF would croak in that range. i know the ram is willing. i have over 3.8volts to use. and 6 sticks of single sided bh5. 2 of those MUST do 240fsb.....

i like the 6-19 it feels very solid but i cant get it stable. its running prime at home at 11x225. well see when i get home in about 5-6hours.

[SAE]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
AHHHHHHHHHHHH STOP SAYING THAT!....:mad:



i like the red color!:(


You know we were talking about it... :p:

[STEvil]

You need my board spork

Its running memtest in the other room with a pair of BH-6 @ 252 3.35v (unmodded) on 6/19 lol ;)

[Kalway]

Get off the bandwagon and get a KT880 board :rolleyes:

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by Kalway
Get off the bandwagon and get a KT880 board :rolleyes:

i notice a severe lackage of soundstorm on that platform.;)

ill try a LPB just for you SAE. but youll have to show me the mods you did on there before in install it. ill grab that and a MCW50-T, maybe a bigger pelt in that and rock some 525mhz+ 9800p clocks!


what size pelt can i run off my pcu? PCP&C 425, and how big a pelt will i need to get rid of 1.95v 525mhz+ on my radeon?

im trying to figure out what to do here.

[Kalway]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
i notice a severe lackage of soundstorm on that platform.;)


Either get one with the Envy APU or use the money you save on the KT880, instead of NF2, to buy a Turtle Beach with the Via Envy APU. :P

[STEvil]

spork - 172w or more should be fine, just dont use the same psu as whats powering your system if you use one larger than 172w.. ;)

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by STEvil
spork - 172w or more should be fine, just dont use the same psu as whats powering your system if you use one larger than 172w.. ;)

i have no room for a seporate psu, so i have to use my main system psu. i think it should have the juice.... but how big of a pelt can my psu handle and h ow big will i want/need for this at 12v?

[Rabbi_NZ]

I dont think those are Winbond anythings... I've never used 43D chips but I have used 43B which were the predisecor and they definately weren't BH5 or BH6. with ~2.9v they did 250FSB 2.5-2-3-11 no worries and with 3.1v they got to 256 2.5-3-3-11 benchable, and then I think my NF7 gave up.
One thing about them is that they performed worse at 3.2v than 3.1v when testing in MemTest and Windows which doesnt sound very much like Winbond to me.

Maybe TwinMOS modified the BH series chips... whether or not they did, those chips are not BH IMO. I was never able to run 2-2-2-11 on my board with the 43B, but 2-2-3-11 did ~233FSB with ~2.9v.
Set the timings to 2.5-3-3-11 and see how high they go ;)

[STEvil]

if he can.. 6/19 refuses to post for me when being set to cas 2.5.. odd.

[blinky]

Originally posted by Rabbi_NZ
I dont think those are Winbond anythings... I've never used 43D chips but I have used 43B which were the predisecor and they definately weren't BH5 or BH6. with ~2.9v they did 250FSB 2.5-2-3-11 no worries and with 3.1v they got to 256 2.5-3-3-11 benchable, and then I think my NF7 gave up.
One thing about them is that they performed worse at 3.2v than 3.1v when testing in MemTest and Windows which doesnt sound very much like Winbond to me.

Maybe TwinMOS modified the BH series chips... whether or not they did, those chips are not BH IMO. I was never able to run 2-2-2-11 on my board with the 43B, but 2-2-3-11 did ~233FSB with ~2.9v.
Set the timings to 2.5-3-3-11 and see how high they go ;) his are BH5, u were NOT able to run 2-2-2-11, and he is at least to 240mhz stable, so it definitely is


question for u DFI guys, does the lan party really clock better than the infinity?
and whats the dealyo with the taiwan and china thing, which is better, and how do i get the better one?

[STEvil]

lanparty > infinity

taiwan > china


My guess is all lanparty boards are taiwan and all infinity are china... 'though there are boards out there that go good no matter what.

Mine is a china infinity.. ;)

[blinky]

aight ill pick up a lanparty sometime, theyre like $140 now right?

[Rabbi_NZ]

Originally posted by blinky
his are BH5, u were NOT able to run 2-2-2-11, and he is at least to 240mhz stable, so it definitely is

no offence blinky but those results dont garauntee those chips are BH series. For one CH5 can run 2-2-2-11 250 stable, and I don't think that 240 2-2-2-11 with the 43D was stable... I know it was jus a quick run and no modded BIOSes or different settings were tried, but to date it isnt stable.

I can boot into windows with 230 2-2-2-11 3.2v on my Micron based Buffalo sticks too... but not stable at all.
The reason I doubted the BH thing is cos my 43B sticks would not do even 235FSB on my NF7 until I used D10 BIOS, and I've heard 43D modules react the exact same way on the NF7... but BH5 can get to 250+ on a lucky/well-modded board... jus seems they act so differently on the NF7...

[mrlobber]

originally posted by blinky
question for u DFI guys, does the lan party really clock better than the infinity? and whats the dealyo with the taiwan and china thing, which is better, and how do i get the better one?

The most interesting thing is that Lanparty and Infinity are built on identical PCB supposedly... I doubt DFI does some internal sorting and puts the better PCB's for Lanparties while leaving the "worse" for Infinities. I doubt even if something like that is possible.

If they did, there wouldn't be such a number of POS boards around, especially Lanparties with the infamous 4 LED deaths with earlier beta bios.

On the other hand, all the o/c records have been on Lanparty boards... both Lastviking's insane fsb cpu-z screenies as SAE's record 3dmark scores.

So I still wonder if Gigabit LAN and glowing PCI slots add something to overclocking... maybe I need to paint my grey PCI slots yellow as well? :D

As for the Taiwan <-> China thing, I've got a Taiwan Infinity which doesn't do over 240fsb stable. But now I have another Taiwan Infinity (used, but completely unmodded) in my shelf still not set up whose serial number differs from the present one only by a couple of hundreds... but the previous owner got a cpu-z screenie at 284 fsb with a crappy PC2700 ram on that Infinity... (my current one crashes at 263fsb Clcokgen regardless of voltages, memory settings etc) so I smell something decent coming ;)

[SAE]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
i notice a severe lackage of soundstorm on that platform.;)

ill try a LPB just for you SAE. but youll have to show me the mods you did on there before in install it. ill grab that and a MCW50-T, maybe a bigger pelt in that and rock some 525mhz+ 9800p clocks!


what size pelt can i run off my pcu? PCP&C 425, and how big a pelt will i need to get rid of 1.95v 525mhz+ on my radeon?

im trying to figure out what to do here.

We'll talk about that... :)

[SAE]

@STEvil

No, most new LP B boards are China ones...

DFI is strongly denying any differences between Inifinity/LP and TW/China boards....!!!

@Hellfire

You are right, my scores, LV's scores, LORD's scores etc were all done with LP B's. LORD beats me in 3Dmark though ;) He seems to have some tweaks I dunno... :D

But I beat him at Superpi, Pifast IMO :) I have the pifast no1 world spot unless someone proves me wrong... but at Hexus I am on place 27 among all the great A64/P4EE :D 44.56s!

Though they did not update the score :( (I posted my score nearly 2 weeks ago).

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by mrlobber
The most interesting thing is that Lanparty and Infinity are built on identical PCB supposedly... I doubt DFI does some internal sorting and puts the better PCB's for Lanparties while leaving the "worse" for Infinities. I doubt even if something like that is possible.


i hear infinity is 5 layer and lanparty is 6. that would make a big differance.

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by mrlobber
(my current one crashes at 263fsb Clcokgen regardless of voltages, memory settings etc) so I smell something decent coming ;)

holy coincidence batman. mine too.:stick:

i hit a wall with my "old" khx bh5 there.. i can do limited benches in the 260 area and 255 can do 3d. 262 i can run some benches, like sandra mem bench, i clockgen to 263 and ZAP.

i got to the same place with this twinmos and it nuked too. im gunna order a LPB this morning.

Originally posted by SAE
We'll talk about that... :)
ok, ill post what we decide in here so others can learn.


PS: ***will a mod title rape this to something like "sporks overclocking adventure" thanks!***

[STEvil]

Spork - They are both the same boards...


On a side note, how hot is the BACKSIDE of your northbridge? Mine reads 27c in bios but if I put my finger on the back it feels closer to 55c... thats with lapped NB and plenty of airflow.


SAE - Thanks, seemed to me the infinity and LPB were being manf'd at different facilities due to components used.

[SAE]

Originally posted by STEvil
SAE - Thanks, seemed to me the infinity and LPB were being manf'd at different facilities due to components used.

Dunno bout that... but there are Infinities China/TW and LP China/TW :D

[Evil_Spork]

my comp is in a closed case so i cant feel the back of the board. but i think ill order a LPb and send back my extra infinity.

i might have to pick up a new cpu too... mine doesnt seem to want to do over 2600mhz

[STEvil]

Yeah, but I think those may have been first batch runs maybe? Just one of those off the wall thoughts, pay no attention to me :D:D

[Kalway]

You do realize the KT880 does 240fsb w/o any problems right? Mine did it stock and it was an early model.

[blinky]

Originally posted by Rabbi_NZ
no offence blinky but those results dont garauntee those chips are BH series. For one CH5 can run 2-2-2-11 250 stable, and I don't think that 240 2-2-2-11 with the 43D was stable... I know it was jus a quick run and no modded BIOSes or different settings were tried, but to date it isnt stable.

I can boot into windows with 230 2-2-2-11 3.2v on my Micron based Buffalo sticks too... but not stable at all.
The reason I doubted the BH thing is cos my 43B sticks would not do even 235FSB on my NF7 until I used D10 BIOS, and I've heard 43D modules react the exact same way on the NF7... but BH5 can get to 250+ on a lucky/well-modded board... jus seems they act so differently on the NF7... the guy who he bought it from ran prime, and 3dmark at 240 2-2-2-11 for him before he bought it

its not 100% sure it is, could be great clockin hynix, or micron, but 99% says it is

[STEvil]

they look like bh chips to me.

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by STEvil
they look like bh chips to me. physically they are bh chips... but others could look the same. who knows.

no more testing tonight. was at the mid-state fair with that girl:rolleyes: then went to the ZZ-top concert. this retarded infinty doesnt deserve my attention over that.:D

ill order my LPb tomorow night i guess. what else do i need?

[STEvil]

2x512 HiPro XSpecial BH-6 ;)

[SAE]

Originally posted by Evil_Spork
physically they are bh chips... but others could look the same. who knows.

no more testing tonight. was at the mid-state fair with that girl:rolleyes: then went to the ZZ-top concert. this retarded infinty doesnt deserve my attention over that.:D

ill order my LPb tomorow night i guess. what else do i need?

You'd need to send this girl away for a while to have time for this nice LP b :lol:

[Total Immortal]

humm... nice ram. my only twinmos experiance was bloody awefull!
my twinmos DC kit 3200 would only run at ~180MHz with 2.8v.. since this was wel below its rated 200MHz i rmaed it and the sticks i got back will do 195 with 2.8v... they realy suck.
rated at 200MHz, 2.5,3,2 at 2.5v but will only do 195, 2.5,3,3 at 2.8v!!!!! what the *#!$ is that!
anyway, looks like you got some nice rams there..

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by Total Immortal
humm... nice ram. my only twinmos experiance was bloody awefull!
my twinmos DC kit 3200 would only run at ~180MHz with 2.8v.. since this was wel below its rated 200MHz i rmaed it and the sticks i got back will do 195 with 2.8v... they realy suck.
rated at 200MHz, 2.5,3,2 at 2.5v but will only do 195, 2.5,3,3 at 2.8v!!!!! what the *#!$ is that!
anyway, looks like you got some nice rams there..

yeah i think i do.... now i just need a mobo to back them up........ SAE this lanpartything better work!

[Kalway]

I shall pwn your puny nforce2 with my KT880 ;)

[GazC]

I once had a Gig of Twinmos running at 11-4-3-2.0 at 231fsb on an NF-7S @ 2.9V :)

Mine had TMD 7608F8E50B on it and they clearly were not Winbond chips.

[SAE]

Originally posted by Kalway
I shall pwn your puny nforce2 with my KT880 ;)

:lol:

Asyncronous??? :D

@Evil

Yeah... it rocks, if not I'll be on the run ;)

[SAE]

Originally posted by µnrealneo²
OT:

SAE, your clockgen trick with 3D Mark works wonders for not getting CPU Variation. :D :banana:

:toast:

Nice to hear it works out for ya, m8 :D

[Kalway]

LoL SAE, synchronous next time! I have single sided EB and the DDR booster. I'm armed and ready! I'm also getting a fresh A7V880 straight from the line direct from ASUS this time.

Now I just needa found out how to do the nb voltage and you'll all be doomed.

[SAE]

Originally posted by Kalway
LoL SAE, synchronous next time! I have single sided EB and the DDR booster. I'm armed and ready! I'm also getting a fresh A7V880 straight from the line direct from ASUS this time.

Now I just needa found out how to do the nb voltage and you'll all be doomed.


:lol:

Cool. Hope this KT880 overclocks better this time... And EB is no high-fsb-guarantee on NF2 boards... :( (more likely with A64)

Hehe, the DDR Booster?! Soldering ain't that hard and much cheaper. And don't think this booster is healthy for your board... iirc OCZ already killed some boards (dunno what boards though) in their labs. So be careful. If the Vregulation cannot take it, the board will die.

[STEvil]

dfi's have been sacrificed to the booster gods ;)

as far as i've heard the dfi's are the only ones that die from the booster.

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by STEvil
dfi's have been sacrificed to the booster gods ;)

as far as i've heard the dfi's are the only ones that die from the booster.

who needs a booster on a DFI with such an easy vdimm mod?

i get stable vdimm up to 3.8(as high as ive gone)

im ordering now. LPb.. anythign else? 35watt maybe.. idunno.

[STEvil]

I've been to 4.0... woops :D

[Kalway]

I've already got both my EB and my booster. There shall be nothing to stop me from getting 240+ fsb stable this time around! As soon as that board comes back from RMA your nforces are going down! 2.5-2-2-6-12-1T at 240 = yummy :D

[Evil_Spork]

ok ill have my LP on tuesday. im off to bed.

well see how it does. ill have to give it a run with my 2400 barton and AX-7. i think a 300watt PCP&C psu can handle the job right?

[STEvil]

should.

[SAE]

@Kalway... you cannot beat us with only 240 ;)

@Evil... YGPM

@all:

DFI is incompatible with OCZ's booster as it uses the 5V rail for Vdimm. Good for me, bad for noobs. :D

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by STEvil
should. newegg is reliable. ill get it tuesday. it only has to travel about 200 miles.:p:

anyone want to request pics of the board? infinty or lanparty.


oh SHOOOOOT!!!! i need ramsinks... lots of them!:eek:

i forgot im out.... bugger.

well.... anone know the right mix of AS3/5 and superglue to make homemade removable epoxy? im thinking a big glop of AS3 and a drop of glue, mix it up and use that. i would test but i dont wanna waste TIM.... that stuff gets pricey.

[STEvil]

I get my TIM in huge tubes.. its really cheap ;)

[Evil_Spork]

Originally posted by STEvil
I get my TIM in huge tubes.. its really cheap ;)

post in my spokrs OC sdventure thread.;)