OPPAINTER Vapo LS review

[charlie]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Seviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=41

OPP,
Nice job. The first Overclocker relevant review I've seen of the LS.......
Nice read and nice info.
So it seems then, that when the voltage goes UP that the LS starts to shine :D
One question, though... you said the LS tends to heat up a bit during use and the performance seems to drop. Would replacing the housing fans with some stout 120mm x 38mm models help? As well as dropping the ambient temps? I'm sure the r507'd compressor just runs "hot". In a chilly room, in a SoCal late night, how does the LS do??
But all in all, I like the LS. For a 24/7 desktop type rig, I think (and agree with you) it's #1. I think I want one....
After I retire my FX-53/939, an LS would be the perfect pasture :D

C

[chunkylover77]

I'm getting one tomorrow. I want to know if the lian li v1000 would work with this.

[charlie]

Nope, won't work. V series has non std. config, LS hose not long enough....


C

[saaya]

Nice review OPP :toast:

[Iridium192_217]

well written

that thing sure does look like a prometeia...

[blinky]

too bad mach2 gt wont be buyable

this LS looks really good tho
nice job OPP :)

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by charlie
http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Seviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=41

OPP,

One question, though... you said the LS tends to heat up a bit during use and the performance seems to drop. Would replacing the housing fans with some stout 120mm x 38mm models help?

C

The LS compressor heats up in about 20 minutes or so.
The only performance lose from it after its warm is Idle temps, they drop but the thing still holds it's load.

OPP

[pkrew]

Originally posted by charlie
http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Seviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=41

OPP,
Nice job. The first Overclocker relevant review I've seen of the LS.......
Nice read and nice info.
So it seems then, that when the voltage goes UP that the LS starts to shine :D
One question, though... you said the LS tends to heat up a bit during use and the performance seems to drop. Would replacing the housing fans with some stout 120mm x 38mm models help? As well as dropping the ambient temps? I'm sure the r507'd compressor just runs "hot". In a chilly room, in a SoCal late night, how does the LS do??
But all in all, I like the LS. For a 24/7 desktop type rig, I think (and agree with you) it's #1. I think I want one....
After I retire my FX-53/939, an LS would be the perfect pasture :D

C

I replaced the fans on mine charlie with Delta 150cfm fans. I haven't really tested load temps, but I gained 3C on the idle temps running the A8V at 1.8v. Went from -28C to -31C according to mbm. It also tends to take longer before the idle drops and if you let it recover they do go back up. With the new fans this happens much faster.

BTW, nice review OPP

[Fried_Spam]

Nice review Opp. I would actually think that the delay in rebooting would be a "good" thing though as this is designed to protect the compressor from damage. I know how we all hate delays but I also wouldn't want to damage a brand new $800 cooling kit for my pc either ( :stick: ).

[bh2k]

A very well written review I'd say.

[Assasin-uk]

Nice job Eric:toast:

A quality review well worth reading..:toast:




One thing i would add..

Asetek's quality control is superior, in my opinion of course.:D

[bias_hjorth]

looking sweet.. G8 review :)

[Kanavit]

Looking good, nice job Opp.

[JeffPH]

nice review opp!!!

[V I P E R]

Great job OPP. Congrats :banana: :D

[thomas66]

very nice review

makes a noob wanting a vapochill:D

[Master_G]

Nice job as always oppainter :thumbsup:
You mention incompatability with certain motherboards as a con, did you come across any issues with any motherboards? Do you know which ones have issues?

G

[F|apDro|`]

N1 review :)

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by Master_G
Nice job as always oppainter :thumbsup:
You mention incompatability with certain motherboards as a con, did you come across any issues with any motherboards? Do you know which ones have issues?

G

I'll make you read:D

Read right below the controller stuff.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Seviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=41&page=5

OPP

[comment]

Nice job OPP :thumbsup:

Originally posted by charlie
One question, though... you said the LS tends to heat up a bit during use and the performance seems to drop. Would replacing the housing fans with some stout 120mm x 38mm models help? As well as dropping the ambient temps? I'm sure the r507'd compressor just runs "hot". In a chilly room, in a SoCal late night, how does the LS do??
Well, I ran the LS at 10°C ambient temp with a P4 @ +3.9GHz and this is what I got, at idle:

[comment]

And at full load:

[comment]

Btw: Testing for app. 2 hours.

[Djuice]

nice review

[Master_G]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
I'll make you read:D

Read right below the controller stuff.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Seviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=41&page=5

OPP

Ah, i see now. I should really stop reading stuff so quickly at silly times in the morning with little sleep :rolleyes:
Thanks for the quick reply Opp.

G

[macci]

Very nice review.
I built a VapoLS rig for my mate yesterday and can totally agree with the review. Huge cooling capacity on this thing indeed :toast:

The IC7MAX3+3.2E which was installed to the VapoLS rig I set up for my mate would do a SuperPi 1M run at 4520MHz and 8M run at 4480MHz - not bad for 100% 'out of the box' parts :D
highest evap temp I saw during the 8M run (take a bit over 5mins) at 4480/1.60V was -31C.

oh btw, guess whats the peak power consumption during a 3DMark03 run on a rig which has the VapoLS, 4.3G P4E and 9800XT (+3HDDs, 2DVDs etc) in it :D
only 644W (and this doesn't include the monitor..) :toast:

[mg84]

great review OPP, as always ;)

[zxlr8]

The grammer could use a lot of work, but good review. It made it hard to read at times.

[Schmax]

Hope you didn't have problems with the backplate of the CPU kit.
If you tighten those guides too much, they'll bend the motherboard, which sure isn't good...
Believe me, I killed one with that. Stupid manual, it said "Tighten the Guides till the spacers are touching the MotherBoard"

Great, I did as the manual said. That :owned: my mainboard...
:wierd: :doh: :dammit:

[stergiopilus]

Originally posted by zxlr8
The grammer could use a lot of work, but good review. It made it hard to read at times.

I didn't find it hard to read at all. :confused:

Nice review as usual Opp! :)

[Frank E. BoNeS]

Originally posted by zxlr8
The grammer could use a lot of work, but good review. It made it hard to read at times.

Huh..:confused:...I thought it was very straight forward and to the point.....wasn't a hard read at all....

Nice job on the review OPP... :up:

[blinky]

Originally posted by macci
Very nice review.
I built a VapoLS rig for my mate yesterday and can totally agree with the review. Huge cooling capacity on this thing indeed :toast:

The IC7MAX3+3.2E which was installed to the VapoLS rig I set up for my mate would do a SuperPi 1M run at 4520MHz and 8M run at 4480MHz - not bad for 100% 'out of the box' parts :D
highest evap temp I saw during the 8M run (take a bit over 5mins) at 4480/1.60V was -31C.

oh btw, guess whats the peak power consumption during a 3DMark03 run on a rig which has the VapoLS, 4.3G P4E and 9800XT (+3HDDs, 2DVDs etc) in it :D
only 644W (and this doesn't include the monitor..) :toast: holy sh*t, what PSU did u put in that monster?

[Adelon]

3.2E means a exstream edtion?

hell yeah good overclock :D

also i thougth i heard there problems whit the sk8v/fx-53?
in combo whit the vapo ls..:stick:

[SlackeR]

Originally posted by Adelon
3.2E means a exstream edtion?

hell yeah good overclock :D

also i thougth i heard there problems whit the sk8v/fx-53?
in combo whit the vapo ls..:stick:

no it means Precott ;)
nice piece of hardware, yeah..
has anyone tried to let out some gas?? you could get better temps. IMO 250W heatload is WAY over the top??

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by SlackeR

has anyone tried to let out some gas?? you could get better temps. IMO 250W heatload is WAY over the top??

I'm gunna have PC Ice play with it and see how much he can improve it by.

OPP

[ffletchs]

Originally posted by macci
The IC7MAX3+3.2E which was installed to the VapoLS rig I set up for my mate would do a SuperPi 1M run at 4520MHz and 8M run at 4480MHz - not bad for 100% 'out of the box' parts :D
highest evap temp I saw during the 8M run (take a bit over 5mins) at 4480/1.60V was -31C.

Nice OC! I'm looking for a cpu replacement since I max'ed out my AI7 with the LS and a 2.8c

Macci, was that 3.2e a C0 or a D0 ?

fFletchs

[charlie]

Anyone know about PC-75 on a LS? I know it's the same width, but deeper....does it look "funny" hanging off the back of the LS??

C

[Schmax]

I'm not sure if it will hang off the back of the LS but rather off the front. Just like in every ATX case, the mainboard sits in the back of the case, so the evap head needs to be 'around' the area where the mainboard is. Therefore, it would look something like this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=436250#post436250) unless you find a way to lengthen the evap tube (or whatever that flexible thing where the evap head is mounted is called)... sorry, me=phase change n00b

[charlie]

you don't think it has enough "extra" length to reach a bit farther back?

C

[pkrew]

I would be supprised if it didn't charlie. I didn't want to get a new case as I have two wavemasters. It was either hang off the front or back. It looked much better hanging off the back. Had plenty of length and still have more. Plus there's some play where the tube comes out

[macci]

Macci, was that 3.2e a C0 or a D0
C0

[Schmax]

Originally posted by charlie
you don't think it has enough "extra" length to reach a bit farther back?

C
Nope, I tried it with a PC-70, there would always be a 'gap' of about 5cm between the front of the vapo and the front of the case. And evap head mounting would be a real pain in the......



btw:
that's my crap 2.6C that wouldn't go above 3.1 GHz on water....
Q-malay

[comment]

OPP: bowman's review clearly indicated that the LS could not hold the evaporator temp at 0Watt heat load. Did you test the LS at 0Watt load too? If so, what was the result?

[JNav89GT]

Any reason to move from a modded Mach 1 to this thing
it's $$$ but I like the idea of not having to have yards of sealstring sitting around in wait for next cpu/mobo upgrade.

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by comment
OPP: bowman's review clearly indicated that the LS could not hold the evaporator temp at 0Watt heat load. Did you test the LS at 0Watt load too? If so, what was the result?

0 watt. Is that even a load?:D

No I never just tested the evap without a haveing a CPU under it.

OPP

[Lithan]

Wow. I thought those things gave much better temps than that. What's the advantage over pelts?

[zabomb4163]

pelts use more electricity and dont get nearly as low temperatures under load.

[skate2snow]

Comment. Bowman said that the MACHII GT was better under 200Watt, but the LS was clearly better over 200Watt. But when will you use 0Watt when you buy a phase-Change? At 175Watt they were about the same....

Nice review OPP:toast:

[SAE]

OPP, what should I say... :D

Great job. :thumbsup:

[ant1]

Did PC Ice receive the unit yet? I´m curious to see some LS tweaking.

[charlie]

Originally posted by comment
OPP: bowman's review clearly indicated that the LS could not hold the evaporator temp at 0Watt heat load. Did you test the LS at 0Watt load too? If so, what was the result?

lmfao,
who buys a phase changer to run oW load?????????
Heheheh.....

C

[Rukee]

Originally posted by charlie
lmfao,
who buys a phase changer to run oW load?????????
Heheheh.....

C

yeah-no kidding! :P
Zero load...just don`t turn it on, silent...cool....low power usage. :D

Nice review. Looks like I need a bigger load for my LS to shine. :D

[charlie]

Rukee,
Is THAT a Vapo XE on top of a Vapo LS??? :slobber:
XE to the GPU?? Got pic's?

C

[saaya]

Originally posted by charlie
Rukee,
Is THAT a Vapo XE on top of a Vapo LS??? :slobber:
XE to the GPU?? Got pic's?

C

double pentration :eek:

[Rukee]

Originally posted by charlie
Rukee,
Is THAT a Vapo XE on top of a Vapo LS??? :slobber:
XE to the GPU?? Got pic's?

C
Not only is it a LS under a XE, but there`s another XE in the bottom of the XE case!
LS on the CPU, XE on the NB, and the other XE on the GPU.
I do believe it`s the only tripple phase-change machine in one case.

I don`t wanna crap on this thread with pics of my rig man!
...however, there is an LS involved, so, maybe.. :p:

[skate2snow]

WOW man, chapeau!!!

Youre sure someone that love case to keep 3 vapo in one case:up:

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by Rukee
Not only is it a LS under a XE, but there`s another XE in the bottom of the XE case!
LS on the CPU, XE on the NB, and the other XE on the GPU.
I do believe it`s the only tripple phase-change machine in one case.

I don`t wanna crap on this thread with pics of my rig man!
...however, there is an LS involved, so, maybe.. :p:

Come on, lets see this rig:D

OPP

[craig588]

Its his avatar.

[Rukee]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Come on, lets see this rig:D

OPP Okee-Dokee. :)

Some of the pics were taken before the latest paint job and before I cut the window in the LS, and the upper PE in the first shots was replaced with a XE, I think the last one is the only one that shows it colors of today, gold and silver on the inside.
The Chill control panel for the GPU Vapo in the bottom of the XE case I installed into the third CD drive bay so all three chill controls display to the front, all are wired together too so they all must be at temp before booting, and any of them can shut the machine off if there is a failure. I`m real proud of her. :cool:


http://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/teaser4
http://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/teaser2.jpghttp://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/teaser3.jpg
http://www.justwebit.com/sites1/42124/room4mods.jpg

[EnJoY]

Damn that thing must be heavy...my mach 1 mounted on a cheiftec full tower was enough to give me a heart attack while lugging it up the stairs. lol, that can't be very mobile eh? ;)

What kind of overclocks did you see?

[charlie]

rukee,
you're a sick, sick, sick man........
I L-O-V-E it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

C

[OPPAINTER]

Thats excellent my man:toast:

We'll have to post that bugger on the front page of XS.

OPP

[Rabbi_NZ]

that's nuts! good sheet Rukee!

how did the NF7 respond to subzero NB? :D

[Rukee]

Hey, That`d be sweet OPP!! :D

So far with this system I have been able to record the following...


The Fastest Ti200 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2561506)(XP CPU, approved drivers), The 2nd Fastest FX5200 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2187642)(XP CPU, approved drivers), The Fastest Ti4600 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2176427)(XP CPU approved drivers), The Fastest FX5950u (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=2596508)(AMD Athlon(Tm) CPU, approved drivers) on Futuremark. :)

umm...Thanks of course to asetek and the Vapochill LS in the review of this thread. ;)

[Rukee]

Originally posted by Rabbi_NZ
that's nuts! good sheet Rukee!

how did the NF7 respond to subzero NB? :D
Got me a solid 15MHz stabil, from 215 max fsb to 230 fsb now.
Every CPU and memory kit I have maxxes out at 230fsb so I would suspect the MB holding me back.

[Rabbi_NZ]

Originally posted by Rukee
Got me a solid 15MHz stabil, from 215 max fsb to 230 fsb now.
Every CPU and memory kit I have maxxes out at 230fsb so I would suspect the MB holding me back.
that's a nice gain... more volts is what you need now :D

[Rukee]

Originally posted by Rabbi_NZ
that's a nice gain... more volts is what you need now :D
Yep, I`ll have to get in line and have Hell-Fire do me one up when he gets rolling again with his MODing thread. I don`t mind doing this kind of MODing moving Vapos around and wiring them, but looking at those tiny solder points....I`d rather leave that MODing to the experts. :D

[spellsfromhell]

Nice review OPP :thumbsup:

and very nice rig you have there Rukee

lol after reading this review and a couple of other ones i went out to a local store and bought one, but sadly for me i managed to kill my cpu while installing it :mad:

[SAE]

Rukee, that must be a pain in the a$$ to mount all the evaps there... :eek:

I also have a vapo classic here, and once tried it on my r350 and nearly killed the card with the mount :rolleyes: :lol:

/edit.

And the hoses have to be very long IMO... the case's bottom very wide and you must be very patient ;)

[p4z1f1st]

whats your GPU-Clock now rukee ?

and which card ? :)

[charlie]

Rukee,
you should make up a nice guide of "how to" and have saaya put it on the front page, Rukee's guide to a triple phase Vapo LS/XE2

C

[saaya]

i have a nicle load of pics already :D

will post a gallery today or tomorrow on the front page :)

rukee, would indeed be nice if you write a how-to, especially on how you set up multiple PS units to wait until they are all cool enough and how they all shut down if one of them is getting to hot. very nice work!

[mrlobber]

Originally posted by Rukee
Got me a solid 15MHz stabil, from 215 max fsb to 230 fsb now.
Every CPU and memory kit I have maxxes out at 230fsb so I would suspect the MB holding me back.

If not Athlon64, maybe a DFI Infinity or Lanparty. Just look at SAE's sig, those fsb's are telling you something, aren't they? :slobber:

[Rukee]

Originally posted by p4z1f1st
whats your GPU-Clock now rukee ?

and which card ? :)
Gainward FX5900 non ultra from a stock 400mhz core now running @ 512mhz core with the XE on it.

I`ll see what I can do about writing something up. :)

[p4z1f1st]

any voltmod ? or just "on the run" ? :)

[aoc007]

Originally posted by spellsfromhell
Nice review OPP :thumbsup:

and very nice rig you have there Rukee

lol after reading this review and a couple of other ones i went out to a local store and bought one, but sadly for me i managed to kill my cpu while installing it :mad:

You have a local store that carries Vapochill Lightspeeds?!? What store is this?

[spellsfromhell]

Originally posted by aoc007
You have a local store that carries Vapochill Lightspeeds?!? What store is this?

i live in australia mate, just one of the 2 stores which sells them over here happens to be near to me :)

[Rukee]

Originally posted by p4z1f1st
any voltmod ? or just "on the run" ? :)
Just right out of the box.
I ran it on air just to be sure it wasn`t DAO, then I put it on the Vapo. After a week I had problems with moisture corrupting the VC so I pulled it and dryed it over a lamp for a couple days and still had problems on air....so I pulled that tin cover off the GPU core and there was water traped under that cover. Ater drying again I then covered the little diods (or whatever they are) on the top of the GPU with sillicone sealant and left only the core uncovered to protect it from any future moisture and reinstalled in the Vapo. Haven`t had any trouble sense. Everything I have is right out of the box sept the power supply which I followed Hell-Fire`s volt mod tutorial and did that up.

[p4z1f1st]

uuhh.....gooood :)

can we except any voltmods in future ? :D ;)

[Rukee]

I think we can expect a 6800 Ultra in the future. ;)


I have another Vapo PE I could move that to the NB and move the XE on top to put it side by side with the center one, I could see two 6800`s in SLI each being cooled by a Vapo, but, I would need some sort of PCI-E slot adapter and a SLI bridge adapter to get the cards far enough apart to get the Vapo`s on.

[saaya]

or you need custom cooling heads that have the hoses leaving the block on the side and not on the top.

post in the phase change section.

and maybe you wont even have to mod the blocks and just have to bent the hoses a bit. the 6800U cooling is a 2 slot solution so you have around 5cm bwtween the first and the second card, maybe it even fits like that?

[Rukee]

I can`t change evaporators, no tools and no-one around here smart enough to gass the units propper anyway.
Yeah, a custom enclosure for the XE evaporators would be great. Open on the side instead of the end and then have some sort of fitting or insert that was curved on the inside and flat on the other so it would fit between the cooling evaporator and the core. It wouldn`t be the best transfer of heat on the side of the evaporator, but for the VC, I bet it would be fine.