question for all you AC->DD folks...

[hrhrhrfoot]

I am just wondering if any of you recover your refrigerant from your AC after you make it into a direct die? You will lose all the refrigerant, so do you guys spend all the money it takes to get recovery units? Or do you just get more refrigerant and charge it?


I am just wondering where i should let all the refrigerant go...i am not sure if it is illegal to just release refrigerant into the air. Does it depend on what refrigerant you are using?

[chilly1]

It is illegal to vent, with a reward for turning some one in of 10,000 I would be careful. Where do you live????:rolleyes:


You can get a recovery bag for small amounts and just suck it back in when done modding that way you won't lose your gas....
There is a few on ebay now...

[hrhrhrfoot]

all right, just wondering, i heard about this guy that vented it on a windy day somewhere and no one cared >_>

Is it legal to vent ANY refrigerant into the atmosphere? Or is it illegal to do it with any of them?

one last thing, how much lower of temps will i get with r12 as opposed to r134a

and where do i get a recovery machine? i cannot afford those 500 dollar ones O_O

is there anyway to cheaply recover my refrigerant if i am going to make my own evap and brase it on?

[Pandrone]

You can release HCs (hydrocarbons, R290 R600, R600a ans so on) into the atmosphere, but then are you using any of those..

[runmc]

It doesn't matter if it's windy or not. They will still end up in the ozone layer.

[hrhrhrfoot]

yeah thats what i was thinking too, cant be good for the ozone layer

But no one has answered my question yet, is there any cheap way to recover refrigerant?

[All Kill3r]

You can get a recovery bag for small amounts and just suck it back in when done modding that way you won't lose your gas....

;)

[chilly1]

Originally posted by hrhrhrfoot
yeah thats what i was thinking too, cant be good for the ozone layer

But no one has answered my question yet, is there any cheap way to recover refrigerant?

Use the recovery bag and then reuse the gas....

[Gary Lloyd]

Strictly from an ozone point of view (although illegal), you can release the refrigerant through a torch flame, and then it can't harm the ozone. Do it outdoors though, and don't breathe the fumes. You won't like the smell.

[hrhrhrfoot]

all right, thanks guys, i'll just use the recovery bag cause i dont wanna get in trouble. but how do i use the recovery bag? do i just put it onto a shraeder valve or something and then release it so it will go into the bag? does it automatically seal itself?

you guys know where to buy it? i dont want to buy anything from ebay :-/

[kayl]

Or a barbeque bottle is also ggod, just vacuum it and pump the gas into it.
I collect all my r22 from the aircondioners for a rainy day when I make a good cooler
In the mean time I use R290/propane I vent this stuff weekly and its sooooo cheap.
I remember reading that thread about someone venting in the wind, I didn’t even think it was worth a comment no consideration for our environment

[hrhrhrfoot]

all right i see, i just use the vacuum pump to pump out all the refrigerant into a recovery bag?

[afireinside]

In the mean time I use R290/propane I vent this stuff weekly and its sooooo cheap.

I'd do that to but I live right next to a cop who is always outside because he is a complete loser and I wish he didnt live near me :stick:

EDIT:
I'm looking at the bags now. How do I get the stuff in there? Is there a flare fitting on it? How much refrigerant would it hold? Could I accidentilly blow it up?

[kayl]

you can let as much R290 /propane into the environment as you like, its not illegal thas why i use it.
venting the r12 and r22 is illegal and any other HFC's or CFC's .
if you have a large shed with some good vent fans can work with doors shut

[chilly1]

Originally posted by afireinside
I'd do that to but I live right next to a cop who is always outside because he is a complete loser and I wish he didnt live near me :stick:

EDIT:
I'm looking at the bags now. How do I get the stuff in there? Is there a flare fitting on it? How much refrigerant would it hold? Could I accidentilly blow it up?

You could probably overinflate it. THe pressure Differantial between the refrigerantion circuit and the atmosphere will dothe work of getting the refrigerant out. I really done know how much those bags hold. There is a flare foitting on them with a schrade valve in it.

[afireinside]

Oh its legal to vent propane? I'll have to check...

EDIT:
oh your in australia. Probley illigal over here...

[chilly1]

Originally posted by afireinside
Oh its legal to vent propane? I'll have to check...
Ever Barbeque?:stick:

[afireinside]

Nope :p:
But is that venting pure propane into the air?

[kayl]

i use the barbeque grade its all i can get, we have venting rules here too
in new zealand (just off australia) they dont need a license to get refrigerant, not sure on their venting rules though
i have police living in my area, i cant ride my dirt bike down his street damb it.

:moon: :frag: :slash: :grr: :banana4: :devil: :owned: :explode: :buddies:

[afireinside]

:lol: is that it in your icon?

I'm gona use a torch canister but after I get it charged the first time I think I'll just get a nice big arse 30 lb bottle :p:

[EQuito]

Originally posted by afireinside
Oh its legal to vent propane? I'll have to check...According to the Propane Council it's not illegal nor harmful to the environment:

http://www.propanecouncil.org/newsroom/fact_sheetsDetail.cfv?id=6


Propane Is an Environmentally Friendly Fuel

Propane is an approved, clean fuel listed in the 1990 Clean Air Act as well as the National Energy Policy Act of 1992.
Propane is one of the lightest, simplest hydrocarbons in existence, and, as a result, is one of the cleanest burning of all fossil fuels. New propane-fueled vehicles can meet the very tough Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle (ULEV) standards, and one model even meets the Super Ultra-Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) standards.
Burning coal to generate electricity releases carbon dioxide and other pollutants into the atmosphere. Per pound of fuel burned, coal emits more than twice the amount of carbon dioxide as does propane. By using propane gas instead of electricity, consumers can cut emissions and help preserve the environment.
Propane gas is nontoxic, so it’s not harmful to soil and water. Because propane does not endanger the environment, the placement of propane tanks either above or below ground is not regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
According to the EPA, much of the sulfur dioxide in the atmosphere, which produces acid rain, is attributable to coal-fired, electricity-generating facilities. In contrast, neither the process by which propane is produced nor the combustion of propane gas produces significant acid rain contaminants.

[afireinside]

:banana: :toast:

Thanks!

[kayl]

so propane/R290
what is the stuff you get at the gas station that you fill a gas converted engine with, in asutralia we call it LPG, is this the same
propane.
or is LPG butane.

[EQuito]

If I'm not mistaken LPG stands for Liquified Petroleum Gas so basically is the same propane gas we use in stoves, fireplaces or BBQ's although they pobably use some additives for automotive fuel.

[Redwolf]

Believe LPG is around 95% or less pure. Better off using 99%+
You can get it at welding stores.

[kayl]

welding store is what i need to find then
thanx