View Full Version : Jumping Vapochill PE
EricHartmann
06-10-2004, 06:53 AM
Hey guys,
I was wondering if there is a way to jump the vapochill PE without connecting a motherboard to it. Is this possible?
Also I am thinking about getting it recharged with a different gas. What would you guys recommend?
Epsilon
06-10-2004, 07:05 AM
first thing: dunno
2nd thing: refill it with r404a or r507 :)
EricHartmann
06-10-2004, 07:06 AM
Yeah I was thinking that would be that answer. Would I need any modifications to the unit or could I just go have it recharged?
longshot
06-10-2004, 07:31 AM
If you do a PE with 404a you have to tweak it super fine in the amount of gas you charge it with otherwise it wont start.
Originally posted by EricHartmann
Hey guys,
I was wondering if there is a way to jump the vapochill PE without connecting a motherboard to it. Is this possible?
Also I am thinking about getting it recharged with a different gas. What would you guys recommend?
If you mean, start it with no motherboard connected. Then connected it to the PSU and chill control as normal, then short the green and either adjacent black wire on the ATX connector with a paper clip or similar. Then just turn on the PSU.
As for gas, 404a is possible but doesn't work in all cases due to start pressures. Maybe r22 as it has less pressure.
EricHartmann
06-11-2004, 07:05 AM
I think R22 would require an oil change. I think that the bd35 compressors can be filled with 70 grams of R407a and the bd50 needs to be filled with about 60. I just read on the vapochill site forums. I am going to go for it.
I do have another question however. When I got the case it came with the new clamshell mounting bracket for the amd64. I am looking for the original bracket (the metal one that has VAPOCHILL on the side) does anyone know how I can get it. I already left a post on the vapochill support forums. Can't find the damn thing anywhere
Redwolf
06-11-2004, 07:16 AM
Go with 404A or 507A... R-22 is not a good refrigerant at very low temps. It does like to carry oil back at very low temps.
EricHartmann
06-11-2004, 07:21 AM
Is their any advantage to R507 to R407. Don't they boil at almost the same temperature? Which would be easier on the bd50 compressor?
chilly1
06-11-2004, 07:23 AM
R22 would work and is compatible with the oil. 507 or 404 would be a better choice for colder temperatures, The throttling of the compressor by the chill control is what may be causing the start problems, I am not sure how to fix it. But I am sure once I get one I can figure it out..
Redwolf
06-11-2004, 07:34 AM
Chilly dont give them more headacks to deal with. R-22 also requires a larger condensor due to its higher enthapy. Its also stated to use AB or MO oil with R-22 not POE.
Gary Lloyd
06-11-2004, 09:42 AM
POE works with just about any refrigerant.
With R404a, you have to get the charge just right to a little low, as it just doesn't have the grunt to turn over the compressor. Kind of like starting a high compression engine.
It is possible to wire the compressor to run at full speed all the time and would be a must if you are going to try it.
If it was a guaranteed thing, why do you think asetek didn't go with it for there XE. Although many have converted there PE's to 404a, they all have restart issues which most will live with, but some end up converting back as they just wouldn't run.
Redwolf
06-11-2004, 03:14 PM
POE works with just about any refrigerant
Guess you can use POE with R-22... never new that. Wonder why suva does list it? Cuz they want you to buy the $300 jugs no the $70
Still dont recomend R-22 as a low temp refrigerant if your not ready for the hassle thu.
I accually am likeing the Hot-shot and One-shot from ICOR. Haven't tried the NU-22 yet tho
EricHartmann
06-12-2004, 04:36 PM
Hey guys,
Got another question on jumping the vapochill. I have connected the apropriate
wires and the fans turn on. It starts for just a couple seconds then shuts off. It makes a beep right before it does it. There is no error code that I can see. It looks as though it is going through the startup and is abruptly cut off.
Any suggestions?
Thanks for the help
Have you tried a couple of attempts, I know I had to do it a few times due to the crappy PSU I was using.
EricHartmann
06-12-2004, 05:27 PM
Hi Nico,
Yeah I have tried about a dozen tries. Should I try it with a different power supply?
I will go to my freinds house and pick one up (he just got the pc power and cooling 510 deluxe hehe) That should do it.
I used a 235w and it does have occasional problems starting up, depends on the 12v rail. What have you got connected and how? describe in as much detail as possible (sounds just like a school exam doesn't it :D )
EricHartmann
06-12-2004, 07:15 PM
I just have the power supply and the vapochill. I have the power supply pluged into the vapo and I am jumping the 3rd and 4th pins on the clip side of the connector. This starts the power supply when it is plugged in.
I think I know whats wrong. This crappy power supply will probably need a 5 volt load to regulate the 12 volt line. It was only 40 bucks or so and it sucks.
Anyway the vapochill starts up and shuts off in about 4 seconds. It always shuts off at exactly the same time and the chill control does not give an error message (it doesn't have time to)
Sounds like it could be the PSU. Do the lines start moving across the chill control or does it turn off just as they start? mine would turn off just as they start.
stergiopilus
06-12-2004, 11:03 PM
Yep, most PSU's need a load on both lines otherwise you get what is happening to you.
Some PSU's will let you just use the 12v line by itself and i think the Antec's are the best for that as each rail is independant, so it doesn't matter if you only load the 12v rail.
EricHartmann
06-13-2004, 07:37 AM
The lines start moving across the chill control. The first two move across and then it shuts off.
I Just need to find something that sucks down five volts.
EricHartmann
06-13-2004, 06:47 PM
OK I got it.
Put in the turbo cool 510 deluxe it fired right up. Weird thing though, the chill control doesn't start up.
Anyone know what this means?
Thanks a bunch
I wouldn't have though the Vapo would run with the chill control going? You get no leds at all? make sure all the connectors are firmly plugged in.
EricHartmann
06-14-2004, 06:16 AM
Yeah the only thing I changed is the power supply. With the first power supply the vapo would start and the chill control would start, then when the compressor kicked on it would shut off.
With the turbo cool 510 it starts right up, yet the chill control doesn't start. I am going to reconnect all of the chill control wires when I get home.