Prescott = Evil

[charlie]

Yeah, I fixed my WC system today to improve flow and capacity and was runnin Pressie 2.8A @ 1.53V, 3920mHz Prime 95 about 7 or 8 minutes...
Then the HW Doctor Sirems go off becasue it says my PWM temp is 60C+ hmmm.... I say, and reset the alarm to 65C. About 5 seconds later, black screen, no boot. Tried rebooting, CLR CMOS, unplug PSU, etc. etc. Just have the old split second power up... or if you hold the power pins shorted it'll run a few seconds, but no pOST. So hmmmmmm I ID smell kinda funny burning smell, but that's pretty normal for Pressie :D
So that's it ! Maybe dead CPU (I'm RMA'ing it today) or mobo.... I could RMA it straight to Abit.

Now for a rant (a little)
WTF was intel thinking when they released a line of processors that exceed current motherboard spec's?? Yeah I know...the board wasn't designed to run at 1.54V and 3900mHz....yeah, yeah. Well....it may be a LOOOONNGG time before I own another Intel desktop CPU....
It's OK though, I'll just go s939 like everyone else... I guess AMD really IS the DARK SIDE!

C

[charlie]

better?

[S_I_N]

ouch bro I feel for ya been there before

[cpulloverclock]

FX53 or 3800+?

[Ailleur]

You know, i registered just to reply to this thread.
So to get the facts straight, youre blaming intel for not releasing a cpu that will run 1.2ghz over its spec for 24/7 at 100% utilisation. And youre gonna RMA the cpu to them, demanding your money back, because the cpu didnt run well at 140% of its rated capacity.
Yeh, its intels fault.

[charlie]

Originally posted by Ailleur
You know, i registered just to reply to this thread.
So to get the facts straight, youre blaming intel for not releasing a cpu that will run 1.2ghz over its spec for 24/7 at 100% utilisation. And youre gonna RMA the cpu to them, demanding your money back, because the cpu didnt run well at 140% of its rated capacity.
Yeh, its intels fault.

Hey Sparky,
If you registered just to reply to this thread then why does your info say registered 2/04, lol??

If you read my post, I said "Yeah I know...the board wasn't designed to run at 1.54V and 3900mHz....yeah, yeah."

It's my second Pressie and my 5th or 6th P4... I'm NO AMD fanboy! But come on, really.... do you think the Pressie was truly "tailor made" for 875P mobo's?? I've run Pressie's up to 4600+ mHz with no prob until now... and for your info, the mobo is what is broken (I tried another CPU on it) and I RMA'ed the CPU under a legitimate "RMA REfund" and I eat the 15%... It's perfectly within the rules...I can't RMA the IC7-G... although may send it in to be "repaired", if they do that??

Bottom line, I like speed...I killed the mobo with the behemoth Prescott, oh well!!!!! NEXT!!!!!!
>>>>Honest Jedi stands on Charlie's shoulder and says<<<<
"Charlie's moving back to AMD-FX becasue he made the "top 3" last year with an FX an dhe wants to be back up there...and realizes he can't do it with P4 even at 4 Kajillion gHz..."


C

[Kanavit]

if i had $1000 , i would most probably join u Charlie. but, i dont.. sadly, will not for until next season. after taxes, but i think i would probably end up with a 6800 ultra tho. Those s939 boxes look like a million dollars! i love em. AMD is really impressing me this year. Good luck , i think the s939 FX-53 should be awesome, in Super PI, and 3dmark2001se.

[masterofpuppets]

NOOOO! Us Intel users have lost another user to the evil AMD!

[Siphilon]

Originally posted by charlie
Hey Sparky,
If you registered just to reply to this thread then why does your info say registered 2/04, lol??

If you read my post, I said "Yeah I know...the board wasn't designed to run at 1.54V and 3900mHz....yeah, yeah."

It's my second Pressie and my 5th or 6th P4... I'm NO AMD fanboy! But come on, really.... do you think the Pressie was truly "tailor made" for 875P mobo's?? I've run Pressie's up to 4600+ mHz with no prob until now... and for your info, the mobo is what is broken (I tried another CPU on it) and I RMA'ed the CPU under a legitimate "RMA REfund" and I eat the 15%... It's perfectly within the rules...I can't RMA the IC7-G... although may send it in to be "repaired", if they do that??

Bottom line, I like speed...I killed the mobo with the behemoth Prescott, oh well!!!!! NEXT!!!!!!
>>>>Honest Jedi stands on Charlie's shoulder and says<<<<
"Charlie's moving back to AMD-FX becasue he made the "top 3" last year with an FX an dhe wants to be back up there...and realizes he can't do it with P4 even at 4 Kajillion gHz..."


C

ABUSE of RMA/Warranty = naughty!@

[charlie]

How is it abuse of RMA? I'm returning the CPU because I don't LIKE it....they nab me for 15%. That's all legit!

C

[trueplaya4ever8]

i would do the same thing if i didnt like it :p:

[[-Stash-]]

I hate RMA abusers as much as the next man, but if it's not busted and he's paying the 15% get off his back.

And regarding the dark side... I always thought that was Intel :D

From what I'm hearing if you're multitasking you just can't beat HT and the P4 unless you plan on spending at least double that with dual opterons (screw that). But if it's single environment speeds you're looking for it looks like AMD has the lead here for just about the first time ever. Of course, media encoding is still a league ahead with Intel. My thinking goes like this. Work on Intel, play on AMD :)

[charlie]

Originally posted by [-Stash-]
I hate RMA abusers as much as the next man, but if it's not busted and he's paying the 15% get off his back.

And regarding the dark side... I always thought that was Intel :D

From what I'm hearing if you're multitasking you just can't beat HT and the P4 unless you plan on spending at least double that with dual opterons (screw that). But if it's single environment speeds you're looking for it looks like AMD has the lead here for just about the first time ever. Of course, media encoding is still a league ahead with Intel. My thinking goes like this. Work on Intel, play on AMD :)

Sounds reasonable...and the only "work" I really do is like Dreamweaver/Fireworks/QuickBooks/Word/Outlook/
plus digi camera editing/saving
and lots of PLAY!!!

C

[[-Stash-]]

Careful, you're making it sound like an A64 is good enough damnit and I'm trying to convince myself to get a 2nd rig here... *mumble* *grumble*

[Siphilon]

SOrry I was being facetious which should have been inidicative by the word "Naughty". If I encountered charlie's situation I would probably do the same thing.

:p:

**BUT** How can you begrudge intel when you're clearly in the wrong. You're pushing a processor well past what it's rated to run at and yet somehow it's their fault.

I'm curious though, has anyone used Intel's 3 year warranty on a overclocked processor & what happened?

_Siph

[charlie]

I was just joking a little....
The processor survived the scrape fine....it was the motherboard that couldn't handle the extra strain of the Pressie. It's oK, it's not the first piece of kit I've killed and won't be the last :D
LOOK!!! Bookends!!!!!!!!!!! 2 IC7's assuming room temperature...
:banana:

[Siphilon]

Hey is that red stuff on the right board some kind of insulation or what?

[blinky]

Originally posted by Siphilon
Hey is that red stuff on the right board some kind of insulation or what? yes

liquid electrical tape?

[Wrench]

How come AMD is considered the Dark side?

The whole basis of Light/Dark side is based of Star Wars theology/political idealogy.

Rebels were always the small guys and Luke Skywalker was part of the Light Jedi Order hence the Rebels were the light side.

Now we look at the Empire, its big and has the nasties working for them. Ie Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader and they were the sith or aka Dark Jedi.

Any who my point being is that AMD is the Small Guy just like the rebels and Intel owns majority of the market and they are like the Empire.

Therefore we reach the conclusion that AMD = Light Side, Intel = Dark Side.

Thats my little rant.

[Crankster]

*claps hands* Very nice rant!

[charlie]

AMD is the dark side now because they're meaner nastier and faster. They dominate the larger corporation and make them look pwned...

C

[longshot]

haha nice rant!

Hey charlie does the red liquid tape help with moisture?

[charlie]

Originally posted by longshot
haha nice rant!

Hey charlie does the red liquid tape help with moisture?

Liquid Electrical Tape is the sh8t....
Before I picked at it and pulled half of it off, it coated that whole section of the mobo, which I saw iced over many times and had no probs with condensation. This is after I killed a P4C800 with a drop or two of water that slid under a row of capacitors and ZAP!!!!!

C

[longshot]

wow! where can you buy it? Also how much does it hurt cooling of the board?

[charlie]

home depot, etc

[ps24eva]

Originally posted by Wrench
How come AMD is considered the Dark side?

The whole basis of Light/Dark side is based of Star Wars theology/political idealogy.

Rebels were always the small guys and Luke Skywalker was part of the Light Jedi Order hence the Rebels were the light side.

Now we look at the Empire, its big and has the nasties working for them. Ie Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader and they were the sith or aka Dark Jedi.

Any who my point being is that AMD is the Small Guy just like the rebels and Intel owns majority of the market and they are like the Empire.

Therefore we reach the conclusion that AMD = Light Side, Intel = Dark Side.

Thats my little rant.

[ps24eva]

Originally posted by Wrench
How come AMD is considered the Dark side?

The whole basis of Light/Dark side is based of Star Wars theology/political idealogy.

Rebels were always the small guys and Luke Skywalker was part of the Light Jedi Order hence the Rebels were the light side.

Now we look at the Empire, its big and has the nasties working for them. Ie Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader and they were the sith or aka Dark Jedi.

Any who my point being is that AMD is the Small Guy just like the rebels and Intel owns majority of the market and they are like the Empire.

Therefore we reach the conclusion that AMD = Light Side, Intel = Dark Side.

Thats my little rant.

[ps24eva]

Originally posted by Wrench
How come AMD is considered the Dark side?

The whole basis of Light/Dark side is based of Star Wars theology/political idealogy.

Rebels were always the small guys and Luke Skywalker was part of the Light Jedi Order hence the Rebels were the light side.

Now we look at the Empire, its big and has the nasties working for them. Ie Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader and they were the sith or aka Dark Jedi.

Any who my point being is that AMD is the Small Guy just like the rebels and Intel owns majority of the market and they are like the Empire.

Therefore we reach the conclusion that AMD = Light Side, Intel = Dark Side.

Thats my little rant.






:toast:

[masterofpuppets]

Intel 0wnz AMD simply because the Extreme Edition simply pwnz all AMD chips (except maybe the S939 version of FX-53).

[ps24eva]

lol, u kidding right?

[Jrocket]

A64 3400+ and up is equal or better than all extreme editions, and all fx processors are equal or better than all extreme editions.

[masterofpuppets]

My 4.2GhZ would kick the ass of Athlon 64 anyday!

[[-Stash-]]

Yeah well, my dad could beat your dad up.

[ctgilles]

Originally posted by [-Stash-]
Yeah well, my dad could beat your dad up.
And my dad will arrest your dad since he's a cop... Nah! :D

j/k ;)

[John Cena]

Charlie can i spray my motherboard so when I watercooling leaks it won't fry the board? I would hate to take out the board(a pain).

Also that is kinda abuse of the RMA lol. This is the exact reason I stay away from prescotts. Hopefully The Tejas and P6 with dual cores will do better hehe

[ctgilles]

John, welcome to last week, Tejas was canceled afaik.

[Soulburner]

Originally posted by John Cena
P6
Technically, we are running "P6" right now...(Pentium 4 to the rest of the world)...

[drunkenmaster]

somethign ishould point out, hyperthreading makes it easier to do two things at once, simply because the p4 without it isn't at 100% of capacity, there is wasted space not being used as all transistors aren't being used all the time. Either way, AMD have the same issue with chips, but i think a little less badly, hyperthreading makes very little real world diff, yes it feels faster and responds faster when you have something loading cpu and you wanna do something else. But if you start doing something else it will make the first thing work slower.

Run two say encodes on a p4 at same time, then them one after the other on the ath 64 and i'll tell you which will finish first ;)

Also theres a little thing called task manager it can sort out all your multitasking issues, if you use it.


Charlie, hope you enjoy the new rig when you get it. As for me, i agree, my prescott is a POS< runs hot( i don't really care about that tbh) just can't clock on air, can't get as high as northy's on water/air as easily, and are slower clock for clock most of the time. ITs just not a worthwhile upgrade. INtel had the 3.06GHz chip out SOOOOO long ago now and are only up to 3.4Ghz, which is barely available in prescott, is in northy, but thats taken WAY to long.

[[-Stash-]]

I'm interested in HT simply because when I'm working I have a whole load of things open. I'm barely touching my 2500MHz XP-M if I look in task manager, yet it still thinks relatively often while switching between programs.

I'm not really all that worried about how fast things complete since anything that takes a long time now *still* takes a long time no matter what Speed you're running at, and stuff that is already instantaneous... well ;) If I was playing games, fine, A64 me all the way. But I want something responsive while I'm working. From what I've heard A64 while better than the XP still isn't as "snappy" asan HT P4.

Personally I wish AMD would add a version of HT to the A64, then it'd be a far simpler choice.

[hrhrhrfoot]

MoP, never have i seen so much fanboyism in 1 thread....
saying that your 4.2 gig p4ee is not only ignorant but dead wrong...look at the top scores of ORB...not p4ee. That is because when it comes to gaming, intel cant hold a candle to AMD64
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7877599
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=7888103

GGNORE

[freecableguy]

Charlie...I lost an IC7-MAX3 to a P4EE at 3.8Ghz...the PWM system couldn't handle the 150W+ required to support the chip at full load. Remember? I had the MB burst into flames....

[Wrench]

John I used polyurithane on many mobo's never hurt anything.

[Kunaak]

after the prescott I pretty much gave up on the P4.

still great chips, but not really fun, unless your looking for a 5 ghz OC thats nearly useles...

the A64 is definatly not without it's problems, I've killed 4 of them from Vdimm voltages barely over 3.4 volts... so yeah thats sucks.

but then again with the 3 prescotts I have owned only 1 is good, thats my 2.4A prescott thats doing 3.6 ghz in my little brothers PC that I made him about 6 weeks ago.

my own Prescotts have always burned up at 60C at Idle, and sometimes even worse, and my motherboard was hot enough to burn me, and thats not a joke.
it did burn me when I tried to touch it.

after that, the dead A64's didn't seem so bad, cause I could control the Vdimm and be fine.

prescotts in my experience are very luck of the draw at best.
but if these 2 meg mobiles fit in desktops they should be cool as hell :D

[Siphilon]

Originally posted by Kunaak
after the prescott I pretty much gave up on the P4.

still great chips, but not really fun, unless your looking for a 5 ghz OC thats nearly useles...

the A64 is definatly not without it's problems, I've killed 4 of them from Vdimm voltages barely over 3.4 volts... so yeah thats sucks.

but then again with the 3 prescotts I have owned only 1 is good, thats my 2.4A prescott thats doing 3.6 ghz in my little brothers PC that I made him about 6 weeks ago.

my own Prescotts have always burned up at 60C at Idle, and sometimes even worse, and my motherboard was hot enough to burn me, and thats not a joke.
it did burn me when I tried to touch it.

after that, the dead A64's didn't seem so bad, cause I could control the Vdimm and be fine.

prescotts in my experience are very luck of the draw at best.
but if these 2 meg mobiles fit in desktops they should be cool as hell :D

Great points dude...the Intel chips feel more like the fine tuning of a ferrari where as with the AMDs it's like modding a japanese import. And I mean that with no disrespect to either.

You makes me want to switch over to AMD...:D

[comment]

Originally posted by charlie
Yeah, I fixed my WC system today to improve flow and capacity and was runnin Pressie 2.8A @ 1.53V, 3920mHz Prime 95 about 7 or 8 minutes...
Then the HW Doctor Sirems go off becasue it says my PWM temp is 60C+ hmmm.... I say, and reset the alarm to 65C. About 5 seconds later, black screen, no boot. Tried rebooting, CLR CMOS, unplug PSU, etc. etc. Just have the old split second power up... or if you hold the power pins shorted it'll run a few seconds, but no pOST. So hmmmmmm I ID smell kinda funny burning smell, but that's pretty normal for Pressie :D
So that's it ! Maybe dead CPU (I'm RMA'ing it today) or mobo.... I could RMA it straight to Abit.

Now for a rant (a little)
WTF was intel thinking when they released a line of processors that exceed current motherboard spec's?? Yeah I know...the board wasn't designed to run at 1.54V and 3900mHz....yeah, yeah. Well....it may be a LOOOONNGG time before I own another Intel desktop CPU....
It's OK though, I'll just go s939 like everyone else... I guess AMD really IS the DARK SIDE!

C Could you fill me in on the stepping and sSpec. number of that 2.8A chip Charlie?

Btw: It was runnin' on a IC7-MAX3 using the OTES right?

[charlie]

no, it was an IC7-G.... and I don't have the spec's anymore. I think there's only ONE s-spec, though

[comment]

Originally posted by charlie
no, it was an IC7-G.... and I don't have the spec's anymore. I think there's only ONE s-spec, though Nope, there are two SL7d8=C0 and SL7K9=D0 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/list.asp?ProcFam=483&NoNav=NO&CorSpd=6595&SysBusSpd=5419&MfgTech=ALL&step=ALL&cache=ALL&PkgType=ALL&btnFOS=Filter+on+selections) Could you get the sSpec number from the guy you sold the chip to?

[sandman]

I feel bad for the people putting 3.2 pressies in those little SFF shuttle bloxes. Those things must hit 70C or more.

[charlie]

Originally posted by comment
Nope, there are two SL7d8=C0 and SL7K9=D0 (http://processorfinder.intel.com/scripts/list.asp?ProcFam=483&NoNav=NO&CorSpd=6595&SysBusSpd=5419&MfgTech=ALL&step=ALL&cache=ALL&PkgType=ALL&btnFOS=Filter+on+selections) Could you get the sSpec number from the guy you sold the chip to?

it was sl7d8, the new D0 2.8A is probably a GREAT CPU...

WOW! Now I know what you're getting at.... the new D0 2.8A (SL7K9) runs at .95- 1.1v...........

C

[Lithan]

Originally posted by [-Stash-]
I hate RMA abusers as much as the next man, but if it's not busted and he's paying the 15% get off his back.

And regarding the dark side... I always thought that was Intel :D

From what I'm hearing if you're multitasking you just can't beat HT and the P4 unless you plan on spending at least double that with dual opterons (screw that). But if it's single environment speeds you're looking for it looks like AMD has the lead here for just about the first time ever. Of course, media encoding is still a league ahead with Intel. My thinking goes like this. Work on Intel, play on AMD :)

Are you forgetting about that whole era between the introduction of slot A and the introduction of the Northwood?

[WesM63]

Work is play for me :D AMD PWNZ ALL muhhahaha....

lol..

[[-Stash-]]

Originally posted by Lithan
Are you forgetting about that whole era between the introduction of slot A and the introduction of the Northwood?

I've already forgotten it since I'm not planning on going back in time to build a new system. I wanna have a new one in the present and/or future.

[comment]

Originally posted by charlie
it was sl7d8, the new D0 2.8A is probably a GREAT CPU...

WOW! Now I know what you're getting at.... the new D0 2.8A (SL7K9) runs at .95- 1.1v...........

C Exactly :toast:

Edit: Thanks for filling me in the info :)

[lutjens]

Don't you just love the voltage regulator design on ASUS boards...all they need is a small aluminum plate with metal connections to the MOSFETs and you can install a little fry pan in your computer...:D:D

It's an incredibly useless design (all recent Asus boards seem to share it) and I'm not surprised the thing died...the last Asus board I had was a P4 3.06 two years ago. The thing kept crashing on me when I ran anything. Touched an exposed MOSFET and ended up with a burnt finger. Swapped to the 8INXP when it came out and, like magic, all problems vanished.

Abit and Gigabyte have a much better design, although Gigabyte rules the roost in terms of voltage regulation design (6 phase power).

My Vcore on my EE under full load drops a grand total of 0.01V under full load and does this only sometimes....I love it when something is overengineered....it usually turms out to be ultra-reliable.:)

[vapourit]

PRESCOTT = HELL

Well, it's summer here now which means my room starts to get hot as the afternoon sun hits my windows. I came home and my room was 30c with my computer torrenting all day.

Thus, I have backed off to 3.5 GHz and 1.4v so that I don't die of heat stroke.

I will be returning to 3.7/1.6v in the fall. Prescott has broken my spirits and resolve with it's devil like heat production. :D